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If you had a chance to kill Saddam and Osama, would you do it?

I would.

If you had a chance to kill Saddam and Osama, would you do it?

I would.
Well, they have a rather nice bounty on their heads. Why not?

Yeah, probably. But then, I'd also kill the people that make Old Navy commercials if I got the chance (no, seriously, they deserve to die).

Old Navy performmance fleece lol

I would to

I'd talk to them first. Think of this; "I spoke to Osama or Saddam!" plus it would probably be a nice convesation. But if they say "I want to kill innocent people!" then :mp5: "

Killing is wrong. You don't teach people killing is wrong by also killing. I believe Saddam was invaded and deposed illegally. But, I think he should spend the rest of his life in jail now that they have him. If Osama is caught, the same goes for him, life in jail with no chance of ever getting out.

I would kill Osama but not Osama <-- Last option on the poll, How the f*ck did you plan to do that?

my view of killing: killing if it's justified. Murder is wrong (such a sbaortion). In war I don't consider it murder cause you are supposed to be killign the enemy. It's just killing.

so anyways I have no pity, respect by those two men and would rather see them dead (i love death :) )

I would kill Osama but not Osama <-- Last option on the poll, How the f*ck did you plan to do that?

lol must of slipped my mind...meant to be Osama but not Saddam...sorry bout that. Can that be corrected some how? Note: this is only a joke, im not serious bout this.

It must be Kerry's viewpoint (to kill Osama but not kill Osama)

I would kill Osama but not Osama <-- Last option on the poll, How the f*ck did you plan to do that?

That's the one I chose.

my view of killing: killing if it's justified. Murder is wrong (such a sbaortion). In war I don't consider it murder cause you are supposed to be killign the enemy. It's just killing.

so anyways I have no pity, respect by those two men and would rather see them dead (i love death :) )

Yet, the only time killing is ever justified is in self defense. Otherwise it's murder, doesn't matter if it's government sanctioned or not.

Now if Saddam or OBL were shooting at you, then yes, you'd have a right to shoot back. However, unless you're in mortal danger for your life, killing is wrong!

I don't think I'd be able to kill another human being. I guess it's called compassion.. but then again, Rambo does it so we should too!

Yet, the only time killing is ever justified is in self defense. Otherwise it's murder, doesn't matter if it's government sanctioned or not.

Now if Saddam or OBL were shooting at you, then yes, you'd have a right to shoot back. However, unless you're in mortal danger for your life, killing is wrong!

yeah I can see where your coming from. I dont really have any argument just only to say thats how I am. i have a dread fascination with death for some odd reason.

Yet, the only time killing is ever justified is in self defense. Otherwise it's murder, doesn't matter if it's government sanctioned or not.

Now if Saddam or OBL were shooting at you, then yes, you'd have a right to shoot back. However, unless you're in mortal danger for your life, killing is wrong!

What if someone else's life is on the line? Wouldn't be the right thing to kill the would be murderer before he/she could kill an innocent person?

We're dealing with a ruthless dictator that commits genocide against an ethnic group within his own country and "dissappears" his own people or a terrorist that plots the mass murder of innocent people. These types of people will not negotiate. To prevent more loss of innocent life in the long run it is sometimes necessary to go to war. Even if it does cost some soldiers and civilian's lives the casualties pale in comparison to the body count if we do nothing to stop terrorism/dictators.

If you are of the type to say "killing him is right" then you also subscribe to his belief. He, too, thinks this way. That the peoples that have "wronged" his people, have choosen to die by his hand. So then one might say that to kill him is to subscribe to his way of thinking.

Just a thought
Pythan :)

If you are of the type to say "killing him is right" then you also subscribe to his belief. He, too, thinks this way. That the peoples that have "wronged" his people, have choosen to die by his hand. So then one might say that to kill him is to subscribe to his way of thinking.

Just a thought
Pythan :)

Osama did more than "wrong" our people. He orchestrated a plan that killed thousands of our people, and he won't stop until every infidel is dead.

Would you kill to save your mother/father/significant other/best friend if someone was attempting to kill them? I think most people would say yes.

However, when a terrorist or dictator that we know can't be negotiated with threatens the lives people on the other side of the world we find it wrong to be willing to fight to help those people.

Well, since your poll doesn't make any god damn sense, I'll jsut tell you what I would do. I would arrest Osama, and put him before an international court. And I would leave Saddam on trial.

What if someone else's life is on the line? Wouldn't be the right thing to kill the would be murderer before he/she could kill an innocent person?

Yes, that falls under self-defense I believe.

We're dealing with a ruthless dictator that commits genocide against an ethnic group

Which one? I don't believe either Saddam or OBL has ever tried to commit "genocide" if Saddam wanted to kill all the Kurds in Iraq, he would of done so. He only ever killed people to stop them from uprising. Now he is guilty of violating human rights because he killed not just the trouble-makers but their children and families in general. However he never tried to commit genocide.

Personally, I'd rather see Osama captured if at all possible. What to do with Osama (as well as Saddam) afterward...

I think that to justify the taking of a life is just our way of being ok with the process. We try our best to influnce others to our way of thinking (we are doing it right now in fact) so that we can acheive what, we are sure, is the right path for all people (speaking as a "leader"). In the event we can not we find other solutions.

but to define it...

mur·der
The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

I think the majority of the western culture would tend to want to do this.

1) They have planed it (premeditated).
2) They commit this act with out sanction ( to get a sanction we would need be under the same political system. Since we do not, other peoples are not bound by our laws )

So simplely put its murder.

(note I do not have an opinion either way, I would neither choose to kill him or not)

Just a thought
Pythan

I dont like them but I dont think I would kill them.

Yeah, that one. As I quoted once in another thread (or probably misquoted and horribly mutilated): fighting fire with fire burns your house down faster. It's something like that, in any event. I pretty much agree with that statement.

Yes, that falls under self-defense I believe.



Which one? I don't believe either Saddam or OBL has ever tried to commit "genocide" if Saddam wanted to kill all the Kurds in Iraq, he would of done so. He only ever killed people to stop them from uprising. Now he is guilty of violating human rights because he killed not just the trouble-makers but their children and families in general. However he never tried to commit genocide.

Osama has made his goal clear to kill all "infidels" and to have everyone under a Islamic fundamentalist theocracy. As for Saddam, perhaps genocide was the wrong word...however, he has killed a great deal of innocent people and if he had remained in power I have no doubt that he would have continued doing so.

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Osama did more than "wrong" our people. He orchestrated a plan that killed thousands of our people, and he won't stop until every infidel is dead."

what would you call Killing thousands of people then... "right"?

"Would you kill to save your mother/father/significant other/best friend if someone was attempting to kill them? I think most people would say yes."

this, to me anyway, is an act in process (attempting to kill ) and it seems a case of self defence (still murder to me )

"However, when a terrorist or dictator that we know can't be negotiated with threatens the lives people on the other side of the world we find it wrong to be willing to fight to help those people."

Can we also define telling them how to live their lives "or else" as an act of terrorism? if so, then we might need to back off giving the world orders from on high in the western world.

Pythan

People killing OBL can be justified but could you really? Dont pretend to be macho guys. I can be honest and say i could never kill someone. To play God to me seems obscene. It is still murder.

Bringing Saddam into this is not a good idea. He was a leader surrounded by sycophants and continuely pulled and pushed by the west throughout his reign. He thought that his people loved him. Blame his advisors for the violent crushing of the post-first gulf war rebellion and the gassing of the Kurds.

hey. I agree with Pythan. only logical answer here. unless you are, of course, a gun crazy maniac with a need to for some reason put America above every other nation in the world.....seems logic fails to work on people like that.

Capture Osama, and after their trials stick Osama and Saddam in some dank, dark hole with slop to eat, with no human contact except (copies of) home movies of their victims and no reading material except for the victims' families' photo albums. They should be given adequate medical treatment to keep them alive as long as possible. Maybe throw in a little electroshock daily.

Quote "Sir Peter the sage

Osama did more than "wrong" our people. He orchestrated a plan that killed thousands of our people, and he won't stop until every infidel is dead."

what would you call Killing thousands of people then... "right"?

"Would you kill to save your mother/father/significant other/best friend if someone was attempting to kill them? I think most people would say yes."

this, to me anyway, is an act in process (attempting to kill ) and it seems a case of self defence (still murder to me )

"However, when a terrorist or dictator that we know can't be negotiated with threatens the lives people on the other side of the world we find it wrong to be willing to fight to help those people."

Can we also define telling them how to live their lives "or else" as an act of terrorism? if so, then we might need to back off giving the world orders from on high in the western world.

So we shouldn't stand up for what is right, just because we might step on a few toes? One would think that we've learned from Rwanda and Bosnia.

Pythan

I never said Osama's actions were right. I was responding to your statement as how he feels he was "wronged". Try to avoid misinterpreting my posts. Of course, what Osama did was wrong. I think I've already made that clear.

Peter the Sage: why?

we (americans) have killed more people than these two people combined, should all our soldiers who have fought and killed someone in a war be subject to the same thing?

Killing is killing after all, right?

Osama has made his goal clear to kill all "infidels" and to have everyone under a Islamic fundamentalist theocracy. As for Saddam, perhaps genocide was the wrong word...however, he has killed a great deal of innocent people and if he had remained in power I have no doubt that he would have continued doing so.

First, OBL could care a less what we in the west do here. What his gripe is, is he wanted American troops out of Saudi Arabia (that's done) He wants America to stop giving their undying and unfair support for Israel who is oppressing the Palestinians and lastly he wants Americans out of the middle east. If all those things were to happen, OBL wouldn't give a rats ass about the west and Al Qaeda would leave us alone.

Yes, we know Saddam killed innocent people. So has almost every country in the world. America too! So whatever.

I wouldn't kill anyone, for any reason. Besides the fact that I don't have a gun and don't know how to use one, I think killing is wrong and the best way to peace is to start with yourself.

...mmm yeah I'm a hippie.

First, OBL could care a less what we in the west do here. What his gripe is, is he wanted American troops out of Saudi Arabia (that's done) He wants America to stop giving their undying and unfair support for Israel who is oppressing the Palestinians and lastly he wants Americans out of the middle east. If all those things were to happen, OBL wouldn't give a rats ass about the west and Al Qaeda would leave us alone.

Yes, we know Saddam killed innocent people. So has almost every country in the world. America too! So whatever.

I'm not going to start on the Israel/Palestinian issue. Thats a case of two of history's most oppressed peoples and sticking them together in a very small area. What do you think would happen if Osama had his way anywhere? Women would be oppressed and murdered as well as Jews.

Innocent people have been killed by us, yes. But accidental death of civilians and purposely killiing them are two different things. And even if we did purposely kill civilians in the past (Mi Lei) it doesn't excuse people like Saddam now. And it doesn't mean that we shouldn't be willing to fight to stop people like him and Osama. As for their punishment upon capture ill re-post that in case you missed it.

Capture Osama, and after their trials stick Osama and Saddam in some dank, dark hole with slop to eat, with no human contact except (copies of) home movies of their victims and no reading material except for the victims' families' photo albums. They should be given adequate medical treatment to keep them alive as long as possible. Maybe throw in a little electroshock daily.

In case it was missed among the debate on willingness to go to war.

Ok I'll play fool here...

Why is torturing one man any different then torturing another. He kills us and we kill him.

The difference here is we think we are "right" and that makes it ok...

Hmmm... Nope murder is murder.

Don't get me wrong i think it should be stopped, I am just not a "break a few eggs to make an omllet" kind of person. I think rehabilitaion in this case maybe a bit far fetched, but I do not think outright death is the solution.

However to open another can of worms... I would allow him the choice to take his own life VS life in prison.

Just my 2 pennies
Pythan

Don't make them martyrs.