NationStates Jolt Archive


Parents and political beliefs.

Sydenia
05-09-2004, 18:12
[Poll forthcoming, please be patient]

Just out of curiousity, how do your political beliefs match up with those of your parents? I thought it would be interesting to see how many people share the same or different principles. I'd tend to think people will be more likely to share their beliefs, but only one way to find out, right?

Mine align pretty well with those of my parents. They both had a liberal slant, though I think I am probably quite a bit more liberal than they ever were. Maybe just because of the generation I was born in.
Superpower07
05-09-2004, 18:15
My mother is a friggin neocon compared to me (I consider myself to be a moderate social liberal and an ecnomic conservative)- she thinks Bush is the best and that Kerry is 'teh $ux0r,' to say the least
Kisogo
05-09-2004, 18:17
Eh, we already know that political alignment is often hereditary...
Conceptualists
05-09-2004, 18:22
My parents are pretty statist and authoritarian (economically rather then socially or locally).

My mum is fairly old labour [not as left, just as a better alternative to New Labour and Conservative].
YUor m0m
05-09-2004, 18:22
i would have to say my political views are pretty much the same. Not because they brought me up that way but because I view things personally as the same thing as them. We are pretty much much dead center in the conservative. Not to liberal in our conservative views nor not far right (i'd never be far right, they annoy me). I might be a tad bit more liberal in my views then they ar ebut not that much.
Helveticuz
05-09-2004, 18:26
My parents are national socialists, but i'm a democrat...
Stephistan
05-09-2004, 18:31
My parents didn't even always share political beliefs. My dad was a social conservative but he always voted liberal. It made more sense to him from an economic stand point. Where as my mother tended to be more to the center of social issues, she tended to agree with conservative economic values. So, I suppose I got a bit from both. However I tend to be a social liberal and to the center on economics. So a real mixed bunch. I know in the last Federal election we had my mother voted for the conservative party. However my husband and I voted for the liberal party.
Letila
05-09-2004, 18:49
My parents are republicans and I'm an anarchist, so our views are pretty much opposite.
New Genoa
05-09-2004, 19:00
My parents are republicans and I'm an anarchist, so our views are pretty much opposite.

Im sure you piss 'em off being a far-left anarchist. Hee hee. :D
Greenmanbry
05-09-2004, 19:04
My father's political beliefs are very different than my mother's..

And I disagree with them both.. Hell, we just ended our daily bickering session a few minutes ago.. http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/images/icons/icon10.gif
Letila
05-09-2004, 19:05
Im sure you piss 'em off being a far-left anarchist. Hee hee.

I certainly do, actually.
Pilot
05-09-2004, 19:06
I'm a moderate Democrat, and both my parents are Conservatives.
Zeppistan
05-09-2004, 19:06
My mother views me as the family conservative....

The definition of "Center" though is far diferent in Canada (not to mention most of the rest of the world) than it is south of the border.
Conceptualists
05-09-2004, 19:07
My father's political beliefs are very different than my mother's..

And I disagree with them both.. Hell, we just ended our daily bickering session a few minutes ago.. http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/images/icons/icon10.gif
Is it scheduled in, or does it happen to fall when the family is together (like at dinner or something?)
Terra Matsu
05-09-2004, 19:11
My mother views me as the family conservative....

The definition of "Center" though is far diferent in Canada (not to mention most of the rest of the world) than it is south of the border.
What is centre in Canada? Enlighten this ignorant American. .-.
_Myopia_
05-09-2004, 19:11
I'm probably a more extreme version of my mum's views, while my dad is economically a bit closer to the centre than us.
Sydenia
05-09-2004, 19:13
Ooh, there was a lot more variation than I expected. o.o Spiffy. Thanks to everyone who replied and voted. :)
Ashmoria
05-09-2004, 19:14
i come from a mixed marriage
my dad was a dyed in the wool maine yankee republican
my mother was a liberal massachusetts democrat

i have some beliefs that would be considered liberal and some that would be considered conservative. thats why i have never (until this year when there was a democratic primary in feb. in NM) belonged to a party. i cant see the sense of taking up stupid political stances just because they are what "my party" endorses.
Purly Euclid
05-09-2004, 19:15
My mom votes Republican, as does the rest of my family. We have a family business, you see, and they'd all love lower taxes. I have the same economic beliefs, but tend to be more liberatarian and a neoconservative (if those two can fit in the same sentence :)).
Stephistan
05-09-2004, 19:20
but tend to be more a neoconservative

So then you're in favour of American imperialism.. how very arrogant.. ;)
Marxlan
05-09-2004, 19:30
What is centre in Canada? Enlighten this ignorant American. .-.
The "Centre" in Canada tends to be moderately liberal. You're a right wing fascist if you want to get rid of publicly funded healthcare, for example. Other issues are different, of course, but consider the Canadian centre to be a bit like your moderate Democrats in the USA.
I said other, because my mom is clueless about politics. She could have the same view as me, because she has asked me who she should vote for, and then abstained from voting when I refused to make her decision for her. As for dad.... well, we don't talk, so who knows?
Terra Matsu
05-09-2004, 19:36
The "Centre" in Canada tends to be moderately liberal. You're a right wing fascist if you want to get rid of publicly funded healthcare, for example. Other issues are different, of course, but consider the Canadian centre to be a bit like your moderate Democrats in the USA.
I said other, because my mom is clueless about politics. She could have the same view as me, because she has asked me who she should vote for, and then abstained from voting when I refused to make her decision for her. As for dad.... well, we don't talk, so who knows?
Then what is Liberal? Is that the equivalent to extremely American left-wing? o.O;
Stephistan
05-09-2004, 19:41
Then what is Liberal? Is that the equivalent to extremely American left-wing? o.O;

No, because "liberal" and "left wing" mean two different things. If you were a "leftist" you'd want communism. I've never met a liberal who wasn't pro-capitalism. Liberals the classic true liberal is only slightly left of the center.
Terra Matsu
05-09-2004, 19:42
No, because "liberal" and "left wing" mean two different things. If you were a "leftist" you'd want communism. I've never met a liberal who wasn't pro-capitalism. Liberals the classic true liberal is only slightly left of the center.
Hm... I see. Crazy Canadian politics... *Might as well start learning this stuff. Only four more years until can move to Canada. Whoo!*
A Dead Cat
05-09-2004, 19:44
My parents (mother and stepfather) are both pretty Liberal types.. one was a former hippy and both are vote for the Green party.

I'm not like them at all. :|
Marxlan
05-09-2004, 19:49
Then what is Liberal? Is that the equivalent to extremely American left-wing? o.O;
"Liberal" with a "L" is the party that takes up Canada's centre, moving left or right to pick up votes. However, if you mean "liberal" with a "l", it's an adjective that is rarely used (at least that I've heard) when talking about Canadian politics, because it can obviously be confused with the party. To the "left" (let's use that term) of the Liberal is the New Democratic Party, the Green Party (both what one might consider "Extreme Left", compared to the US, though I myself don't find them too extreme) and other, much smaller parties and independents. To the right is the Conservative Party of Canada (which was formed by combining the Candian Alliance Party and the Progressive Conservative Party) and independents or small parties. The Bloc Quebecois is in there as well. It's a seperatist party from Quebec, and I believe it tends towards the "left", though I'm not too sure. It's not like they run in my city, in Southern Ontario.
Terra Matsu
05-09-2004, 19:52
"Liberal" with a "L" is the party that takes up Canada's centre, moving left or right to pick up votes. However, if you mean "liberal" with a "l", it's an adjective that is rarely used (at least that I've heard) when talking about Canadian politics, because it can obviously be confused with the party. To the "left" (let's use that term) of the Liberal is the New Democratic Party, the Green Party (both what one might consider "Extreme Left", compared to the US.) and other, much smaller parties and independents. To the right is the Conservative Party of Canada, which was formed by combining the Candian Alliance Party and the Progressive Conservative Party and independents, small parties, etc. The Bloc Quebecois is in there as well. It's a seperatist party from Quebec, and I believe it tends towards the "left", though I'm not too sure. It's not like they run in my city, in Southern Ontario.
Ah... I had meant Liberal with a capital L because I knew of that party, just not its stances. You say that Liberal is centrist, and NDP and GP are extremist left; What is in-between the two, if any major parties are in-between the two?
Stephistan
05-09-2004, 19:53
"Liberal" with a "L" is the party that takes up Canada's centre, moving left or right to pick up votes. However, if you mean "liberal" with a "l", it's an adjective that is rarely used (at least that I've heard) when talking about Canadian politics, because it can obviously be confused with the party. To the "left" (let's use that term) of the Liberal is the New Democratic Party, the Green Party (both what one might consider "Extreme Left", compared to the US.) and other, much smaller parties and independents. To the right is the Conservative Party of Canada, which was formed by combining the Candian Alliance Party and the Progressive Conservative Party and independents, small parties, etc. The Bloc Quebecois is in there as well. It's a seperatist party from Quebec, and I believe it tends towards the "left", though I'm not too sure. It's not like they run in my city, in Southern Ontario.

Wow, I've been living in Canada for almost 36 years and I never realized we had so many "left" as in "commie" parties.. :rolleyes:

(extreme leftist = Communism)
Grummesh
05-09-2004, 19:58
My parents are definatly conservative but me, i'm a mix> enviromental policy, liberal. Death pealty, conservative gun control conservative. i dont really pick sides just issues
Marxlan
05-09-2004, 20:01
Ah... I had meant Liberal with a capital L because I knew of that party, just not its stances. You say that Liberal is centrist, and NDP and GP are extremist left; What is in-between the two, if any major parties are in-between the two?
Well, I don't find those parties to be too extreme, as I said. Compared to the politics in the United States, they might be considered "Extreme", is what I meant. The Liberal Party is "Centrist" by Canadian standards, but by American Standards, they might be found to be moderate "left wing". Left wing doesn't necessarily mean "communist", by the way, and I didn't mean to indicate that at all. However, the policies of the Communist Party of Canada DO have a bit of common ground with the NDP, I find.
Doomingsland
05-09-2004, 20:08
My entire family, extended, cousins, aunts, uncles, ect., is all right wing, and so am I.
Purly Euclid
05-09-2004, 20:09
So then you're in favour of American imperialism.. how very arrogant.. ;)
Because it is impossible for thhe US to leave the world a worse place, like the Romans or the British, the only two in a comparable position to the US today. But I seek imperialism only when it means advancing the free market, which ultimatly works in everyone's favor.
Stephistan
05-09-2004, 20:10
the Communist Party of Canada DO have a bit of common ground with the NDP, I find.

I believe you are mistaken. The NDP tend to fall more inline with a socialist way of thinking, not a communist one.
Marxlan
05-09-2004, 20:12
Wow, I've been living in Canada for almost 36 years and I never realized we had so many "left" as in "commie" parties.. :rolleyes:

(extreme leftist = Communism)
"Left wing" tends to be a VERY general term. Much like "Right wing". I don't particularly like using either, but considering the general tendancy in the US towards what is referred to as the right wing, the NDP and Green Party both what ONE MIGHT CONSIDER to be"extreme", in comparison. As was already brought up, Canada's centre tends to be a fair little bit to the left of the United States' centre. We have noticably higher taxes, smaller army, no death penalty, complete public funding in areas like healthcare, and this is considered to be the norm. Therefore, what if left of Canada's centre might be considered "Extreme" as far as American politics are concerned. Not knowing what Terra Matsu's definition of "Extreme Left" was, I said those parties might be considered far left, relatively speaking. So, thanks for quibbling with my choice of words, and I wonder why you consider the number three to be "many". It's not really "many", it's more like a few. The NDP, Green Party, and Communist Party.
TheOneRule
05-09-2004, 20:13
My parents were staunchly liberal, and voted staunchly Democrat. I even helped them when they were campaigning for Gary Hart. My mother was very anti-nuclear and a pacifist.

Very nearly killed her via heart attack when I announced at dinner one night that I had joined the US Navy as a Nuclear propulsion plant operator.
Marxlan
05-09-2004, 20:18
I believe you are mistaken. The NDP tend to fall more inline with a socialist way of thinking, not a communist one.
I was refering to specific issues, if you really want to quibble. (The CPC also tends to be more socialist, I find, than "communist", because they don't seem to have the stated goal of putting an end to government, and that's part of communism.) However, their positions on Star Wars, low income housing, Healthcare, and same sex marriages are nearly identical (albeit, the NDP never use the term "Capitalist imperialism" ;) ), and other issues like the War on Iraq and women's rights are treated in a similar manner by both parties. As I said, they have a bit of common ground, but not a great deal.
Kinsella Islands
05-09-2004, 20:25
The poll needs room for split decisions. :) My parents have very different views on most things.
Stephistan
05-09-2004, 20:32
"Left wing" tends to be a VERY general term. Much like "Right wing"

See, that's the problem, they are not general terms but people use them as such, usually in a negative way to label their opponent. However they do have very real meanings and definitions. I wish people would stop doing it personally as well unless they use it in proper conext.
TheOneRule
05-09-2004, 20:34
See, that's the problem, they are not general terms but people use them as such, usually in a negative way to label their opponent. However they do have very real meanings and definitions. I wish people would stop doing it personally as well unless they use it in proper conext.

Now that's the Steph I remember. I had thought someone had taken over your account.
Bramia
05-09-2004, 20:38
father: social democrat
mother: democrat socialist
(its actually a difference)

me: marxist
Steel Butterfly
05-09-2004, 20:40
My dad's conservative and my mom's kinda a liberal-leaning centrist. (they're divorced by the way)

I'm rather conservative as well.
Suicidal Librarians
06-09-2004, 00:07
I'm pretty different from my parents. My mom is Republican, my dad is independent but could be considered Democratic for the most part, and I am right smack in the middle.
Free Soviets
06-09-2004, 04:58
I'm pretty different from my parents. My mom is Republican, my dad is independent but could be considered Democratic for the most part, and I am right smack in the middle.

so if you were a color you'd be somewhere between blue-green and greenish blue?
LordaeronII
06-09-2004, 05:12
Different, however not in the sense of opposites.

They are both right wing, but I am far more right wing on most social and economic issues, however I do believe in environmental protection and such (which they don't), and I do not believe in democracy, which they do (most likely because they grew up in a dictatorship under the rule of the communist party.... so they love right wing freedom and political rights)
Frisbeeteria
06-09-2004, 05:20
i come from a mixed marriage
my dad was a dyed in the wool maine yankee republican
my mother was a liberal massachusetts democrat.
Heh. Exactly what I was going to type, except Dad's a Dutch immigrant* who's a dyed-in-the-wool Bush-loving neocon. They've been cancelling each other out in the polls for fifty years now.

As for me, I'm a libertarian capitalist member of the Republican Party who campaigns against the Christian right. It gets confusing.


* (Any of our Dutch readers wanna tell me how unlikely it is to have a Dutch native that far right? I still can't figure that one out.)
Comalies
06-09-2004, 05:30
My parents are both conservatives with a religious bent, where I tend to be more a social democrat.
The Force Majeure
06-09-2004, 05:40
My parents are republicans and I'm an anarchist, so our views are pretty much opposite.

"If you were my son...I would've smothered you by now."

-Super Troopers
Arcadian Mists
06-09-2004, 06:25
Me: anarchist. Parents: Hardcore ignorant republicans. Yeah.

I only call them ignorant republicans because they don't know anything about Bush except the Iraq invavsion. They have no idea what Bush has done domestically, and next to nothing about any other candidate. My mom is voting for him because "he thought about the war for a long time". And they actually wonder why I don't like government or the American voting system.
Ice Hockey Players
06-09-2004, 07:40
My folks are fairly liberal, pro-gay marriage, but generally economically conservative...I don't know where I got my generous streak from. My dad refuses to give anything to charity except stuff he doesn't use anymore, and even then it's just for the tax write-off.
Suicidal Librarians
06-09-2004, 16:17
so if you were a color you'd be somewhere between blue-green and greenish blue?

Yeah, something like that. If Republican is greenish blue and and Independent but almost Democrat is blue-green. Let's see, that would make me.....greenish blueish blue-green!
Ashmoria
06-09-2004, 16:29
Heh. Exactly what I was going to type, except Dad's a Dutch immigrant* who's a dyed-in-the-wool Bush-loving neocon. They've been cancelling each other out in the polls for fifty years now.

As for me, I'm a libertarian capitalist member of the Republican Party who campaigns against the Christian right. It gets confusing.


* (Any of our Dutch readers wanna tell me how unlikely it is to have a Dutch native that far right? I still can't figure that one out.)

maybe your dad HAD to leave the netherlands with politics like that!

the republican party would be MUCH better if y'all got the fundamentalists under control. they are a big reason why ive never voted republican for a national office even when i liked the candidate
Kanabia
06-09-2004, 16:37
My mum doesn't really hold outspoken views. But she always votes for the right-wing Liberal Party.

My dad votes for the Liberal Party too, but in his youth was a fair bit more to the left.

Both don't care one way or the other about religion, like me...

My disagreements with them are mostly on social issues such as immigration...they don't seem to care about my economic views. I'm Libertarian Socialist, leaning towards Communist.
Kahta
06-09-2004, 17:04
My parents are liberals. I'm a left leaning moderate.
The Sacred Toaster
06-09-2004, 17:23
I'm a Socialist/Communist although more leaning to the left e.g. big on personal freedoms, mixing with other nations, pro abortion - while my parents are slightly more right wing than me and are fairly ignorant about communism and see it at Stalinism :(
By the way my sister is a green/Socialist but i don't think anyone influenced my decisions.
Siljhouettes
06-09-2004, 17:39
Hm... I see. Crazy Canadian politics... *Might as well start learning this stuff. Only four more years until can move to Canada. Whoo!*
No, it's US politicas that are crazy. Americans think that "liberal" means socialist. They say they like "liberal economics", when they mean socialist. Liberal economics actually means capitalist, because it is "liberated" from governent constraints on economic freedom.

What is considered left-wing and socially liberal in America is actually moderate everywhere else. This is because America is a relatively conservative country.

Anyway, my parents are moderately socially liberal and right-wing in economics.
I am very liberal socially and moderately left-wing in economics. I am also pro-environmental protection.

I live in Ireland. I vote for the Green Party

http://www.greenparty.ie/

my parents vote for the Progressive Democrats

http://www.progressivedemocrats.ie/
Proletariat-Francais
06-09-2004, 18:16
My parents never really talked about politics until I decided I was a Marxist, since then we seem to talk politics a lot more. That was once we'd gotten over the difference between Marxism and Stalinsim...damn US Cold War propaganda. :headbang:

My mum more right leaning, and my step-dad slightly left leaning, though neither of them are very far from the centre. Didn't have much influence on me, evidently... ;)
North Caledonian
06-09-2004, 18:27
I live in Scotland, and the experience i've had is that the younger you are, the more you want independence. My dad would like scotland to be apart of Britain whereas younger people mostly all want independence. Scotland may not have independence for a while but certainly will have it in my life time.
16 just now but when i am 18. SNP will get my vote(Scottish Nationalist Party)
Kryozerkia
07-09-2004, 15:41
It depends on which parent....

I'm on pretty much the same page as my father, who like me has voted NDP. Whereas my mother is more conservative.
Yammo
07-09-2004, 16:06
My parents are more conservative than me, as well as my sister.


I consider myself slighly left of the Democrats/Labour/ALP (depending on country), however it tends to bounce on certain issues.