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http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/03/schwarzenegger.ap/index.html

Seems Ah-nold did some fast-talking during his speech. Talking straight from his backside? Did he grow up in Austria at all? :p

The article speaks for itself.

Honestly, do some research into your own childhood, Governator. Don't rewrite history to make liberals look bad.

Its a shame this info won't make much difference since the damage has been done.

I was wondering if someone else was going to mention it or if I was going to have to start a thread on it, only to watch it vanish. Good work. :D

I'm sure a lot of people noticed that, the Soviets withdrew from Austria quite quickly under Western pressure, Austrian pressure, and the need to consolidate Eastern Europe. Ah-nold speaks as if he was coming from Czechoslovakia or Romania, not Austria, but since I was not entirely sure of either his birth date, or the exact position of his home, I wasn't jumping to conclusions, but I definitely picked up on the Socialist comment.

I was wondering if someone else was going to mention it or if I was going to have to start a thread on it, only to watch it vanish. Good work. :D

Heh. Same thing was runing through my head :p

Ah, that's funny. I'm not even mad; it's too humorous.

The guy's an actor, which explains it all.

It probably sounds cooler when you hear him saying it.

Jon Stewart said it best: it looked like Arnold's Will was really Triumphing up there on the podium.

Who cares? Not us Californians. So long as he isn't Grey Davis and he won the election, he's A-OKAY!

It's Arnold not 'Ah-nold' dumbass.

meh, i have lots of meories from my childhood that never happened.

though i don't use those false memories to try to convince people of things...

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/03/schwarzenegger.ap/index.html

Seems Ah-nold did some fast-talking during his speech. Talking straight from his backside? Did he grow up in Austria at all? :p

The article speaks for itself.

Honestly, do some research into your own childhood, Governator. Don't rewrite history to make liberals look bad.

Its a shame this info won't make much difference since the damage has been done.

Yeah I know he said Nixons words were more like a breath of fresh air. I guess if you came from the birthplace of Hitler Nixon might sound like a breath of fresh air. Then he said he is Republican because Nixon was Republican, theres a funny ending to that, Nixon resigned from office tarnishing the name of it forever... Moving on.

It's Arnold not 'Ah-nold' dumbass.

Youre kidding right? ARE YOU KIDDING ME! Thats how the fool pronounces his own name! Why dont you evolve into something more inteligent, such as an amoeba for instance.

Who cares? Not us Californians. So long as he isn't Grey Davis and he won the election, he's A-OKAY!

If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the repeal of the Car Tax mean Cali's debt will skyrocket...and didn't Ah-nold's plan to fix the debt involve a huge check from his Republican friends in the White House?

The only reason Arnie was elected was because he was freakin ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER and people like the idea of having a celeb as governor. I remember Minnesota electing Jesse Ventura for a similar reason.

Youre kidding right? ARE YOU KIDDING ME! Thats how the fool pronounces his own name! Why dont you evolve into something more inteligent, such as an amoeba for instance.Apparently you don't know me.

Apparently you don't know me.

Are you admitting you can't evolve into something higher?

What the hell kind of rebuttal is that?? Try harder!

Are you admitting you can't evolve into something higher?

What the hell kind of rebuttal is that?? Try harder!That wasn't a rebuttal. I was just saying you don't know me very well.

I just wanted to say that Arnold recalls a very similar history in his book 'The New Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding' and numerous other biographies. Unlike the author of the article, I doubt Arnold's memory was altered for the sake of the Republican party.

Arnold speaks of his father and the other fathers of his birthplace as men buried in shame that they gave in to the Nazis. Governments aren't likely to shake the effects of a socialist lifestyle in a matter of years. I believe his spokeperson when (s)he said Arnold was speaking as a person and not a historian.

Youre kidding right? ARE YOU KIDDING ME! Thats how the fool pronounces his own name! Why dont you evolve into something more inteligent, such as an amoeba for instance.

Excuse me? You have to resort to ridicule someone because of their accent? Now here I had thought that we had all gone past such petty racism.

Or is it you feel free to ridicule someone because they are republican?

Yeah I know he said Nixons words were more like a breath of fresh air. I guess if you came from the birthplace of Hitler Nixon might sound like a breath of fresh air. Then he said he is Republican because Nixon was Republican, theres a funny ending to that, Nixon resigned from office tarnishing the name of it forever... Moving on.

Someone's a fan of the Daily Show :p

Ok... seriously, don't you think historians were the ones contributing to his speech for the RNC to begin with? If you've read anything about Arnold prior to him running for governor, you'd know this is actually a fairly consistent story he's been telling... so, I'd have to see way more proof than a few lefties throwing hardballs his way to believe he's lying about his childhood.

Apparently you don't know me.


No, but I DO know that constantly using a bold font like that is pretty pretentious.

Or is it you feel free to ridicule someone because they are republican?

...or maybe they feel free to ridicule someone because they're a dumbass? There are dumbasses in every politcal party.
What's sad is when people blindly support and defend these dumbasses simply due to sharing party affiliation with them.

I just wanted to say that Arnold recalls a very similar history in his book 'The New Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding' and numerous other biographies. Unlike the author of the article, I doubt Arnold's memory was altered for the sake of the Republican party.


Well...you see telling a story like that has benefit OTHER than politics. Remember, Arnie was from an area of the world that had the stink of communism everywhere and he was trying to start a career in the height of the Reagan era (not exactly a communist-friendly time, probably second only to the McCarthy era). What better way to estabish yourself than to play up how great a victim he was of the soviets during that time. It pretty much made him a media darling and about as heroic as anything he does on screen. I don't have to spell that out for you.

As you can see, telling a fib like that would help his film career and action roles, and this was long before he had political aspirations. The group sex and admitted drug use, though they may be true OR exaggerations (I think Arnold admitted the group sex was just a publicity stunt fib...whether that's true or he's just covering his political ass, we don't know. And I think there's video of him puffing on some chronic but who the hell cares) but in either case they would also make him a more interesting person and would have only helped his film career.

Repeating a fib like this would just help him remain consistant. Its better to reaffirm a lie than to change your story, else you get caught red-handed. And if he told a different story in his biography or during the RNC it would have been rubbed in his face. Embarrassing to say the least.


Arnold speaks of his father and the other fathers of his birthplace as men buried in shame that they gave in to the Nazis. Governments aren't likely to shake the effects of a socialist lifestyle in a matter of years. I believe his spokeperson when (s)he said Arnold was speaking as a person and not a historian.

Arnie is not a nazi and has devoted a lot to jewish organizations. What reasonable human being would support nazis? And its not like he'd admit he was a nazi sympathizer if he was one. But, in no way is he a nazi or even a sympathizer. So its rather a pointless statement. You don't get a cookie for not being a nazi since you're never supposed to be one in the first place.

A government 'shakes' its beliefs when parties change. They don't linger, still passing laws and running the government in the shadows. Once they were booted out, they're out. Are Baathists still running things in Iraq government-wise?

Any remnants left from the earlier parties running the place come from damage (or benefits) their earlier policies may have left behind. However, the following party following the occupation would likely repeal the laws and policies in place since occupational forces tend to be too strick to allow people to live their lives normally. If they didn't repeal them they probably felt a policy had an honest benefit. Unless of course the following ruling party were morbidly corrupt...

I can assure you soviet vehicles or troops would have certainly not be allowed in the area for the simple virtue that an the minimal requirement of a treaty requires a military pullout by the occupying party. That's what we are not doing in Iraq, pulling out after a war, and its called OCCUPATION (just as well since we havn't exactly signed any treaties with Saddam or the installed government...which is probably one reason why its failing. An 'out' strategy requires some sort of treaty and not a puppet government.

We invaded and didn't leave and occupation threatens the sovereignty of the occupied state after the enemy has been defeated (even though we attacked without provocation, unlike in Germany...) and there seems to be no possibilty of normalization in Iraq unlike in eastern europe (if you can call soviets 'normal'). And the historian(s) mentioned that that part was clear due to treaties.

(and by 'normalization' I mean no open violence and society beginning to rebound, even if it is under an authoritarian government)

How the fuck did I get into Iraq?? I guess all roads lead there :p

...or maybe they feel free to ridicule someone because they're a dumbass? There are dumbasses in every politcal party.
What's sad is when people blindly support and defend these dumbasses simply due to sharing party affiliation with them.

Fine, ridicule someone about their being a "dumbass" (and be prepared to be ridiculed for the same reason) but that isnt what happened in that post. It was ridiculing someone because of their accent. That is racism. Hypocritical.

The guy's an actor, which explains it all.
Yeah. A Hollywood actor at that. And Hollywood tends to twist history a bit.

Remember, Arnie was from an area of the world that had the stink of communism everywhere and he was trying to start a career in the height of the Reagan era (not exactly a communist-friendly time, probably second only to the McCarthy era).


Certainly. I am giving one the benefit of the doubt and supposing he recalls how it felt to grow up in a place with confusion.



As you can see, telling a fib like that would help his film career and action roles, and this was long before he had political aspirations. The group sex and admitted drug use, though they may be true OR exaggerations (I think Arnold admitted the group sex was just a publicity stunt fib...whether that's true or he's just covering his political ass, we don't know. And I think there's video of him puffing on some chronic but who the hell cares)

The chronic puffing can be found in Pumping Iron, a documentary about bodybuilding. Arnold purchased the rights from the creator of the film. Arnold opted to keep the scene in the 25th anniversary, special edition DVD.

The creator of the film suggested there was plenty more of Arnold mishaving badly on the cutting room floor. The creator of the film also said when he spoke with a young Arnold, Arnold mentioned he wanted to go into politics. He believes this is the true reason Arnold purchased the rights to the film.



Repeating a fib like this would just help him remain consistant. Its better to reaffirm a lie than to change your story, else you get caught red-handed.

Of necessity.

I ask, would you rather tell a lie in front of millions of democrats waiting for you to screw up or ignore the subject entirely? If his story is for political gain, would it be of benefit to speak it knowing it would be attacked the next day?



Arnie is not a nazi and has devoted a lot to jewish organizations. [quote]

You are quite correct. I have not and would not say otherwise.

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A government 'shakes' its beliefs when parties change. They don't linger, still passing laws and running the government in the shadows. Once they were booted out, they're out.

Next time I must do a better job explaining myself. I concede your point governments change the moment a new one assumes power. I am not debating the kind of bills passed, but how the people live their lives. According to what Arnold has written, many of the men in his town served in the Nazi army. The pride of these men were broken. Whether or not the society thought it better, they were adopting a new way of life. Ways of thinking are not easily changed, no matter how many laws you establish. I wish I could detail my view more adequately, but I am neither a psychologist nor a historian. My implication is that the people were going through mental stresses rather than governmental supression.



I can assure you soviet vehicles or troops would have certainly not be allowed in the area for the simple virtue that an the minimal requirement of a treaty requires a military pullout by the occupying party.

I am not debating this. In fact, Arnold recalls in his books of the British troops coming by in tanks and offering the neighborhood children rides. As stated previously, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. People get things wrong. Let us hope this is not the first in a series of dubious statements.

I am honoured you took the time to reply to my statements. Thank you.

looks like Ahhhnold is just another republican liar

If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the repeal of the Car Tax mean Cali's debt will skyrocket...and didn't Ah-nold's plan to fix the debt involve a huge check from his Republican friends in the White House?

The only reason Arnie was elected was because he was freakin ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER and people like the idea of having a celeb as governor. I remember Minnesota electing Jesse Ventura for a similar reason.
Not like he won with a wave of his hand. He fought for his position just like all the other Governor canidates. And he fought the best. The car tax was highly unpopular to most people in California.

And whats the problem with getting some money from the federal government? Better to fix the problem in the most populated state in America than to leave it to the White House's hands...

If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the repeal of the Car Tax mean Cali's debt will skyrocket...and didn't Ah-nold's plan to fix the debt involve a huge check from his Republican friends in the White House?

The only reason Arnie was elected was because he was freakin ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER and people like the idea of having a celeb as governor. I remember Minnesota electing Jesse Ventura for a similar reason.
i would've voted for the guy who ran hustler or gary coleman, CUZ HES FRICKING GARY COLEMAN

I wonder if this article would've even been run by cnn if Gov. Schwarzenegger was a democrat.

I also wonder if most people who criticize Gov. Schwarzenegger's statements realize that socialism and communism are in fact two different ideologies and that Austria was in fact run by socialists after WWII; example: Austria’s first postwar president, veteran Socialist leader Dr. Karl Renner, who would remain in office until his death in 1950 (which, to the best of my knowledge, was chronologically later than Gov. Schwarzenegger's birth-year, 1947.).

I wonder if this article would've even been run by cnn if Gov. Schwarzenegger was a democrat.

I also wonder if most people who criticize Gov. Schwarzenegger's statements realize that socialism and communism are in fact two different ideologies and that Austria was in fact run by socialists after WWII; example: Austria’s first postwar president, veteran Socialist leader Dr. Karl Renner, who would remain in office until his death in 1950 (which, to the best of my knowledge, was chronologically later than Gov. Schwarzenegger's birth-year, 1947.).
CNN is not some friggin liberal news control agency, they have a slgiht left leaning but they arnt playing to the left entirely, unlike fox more than obviously does to the right, get a grip people.

CNN is not some friggin liberal news control agency, they have a slgiht left leaning but they arnt playing to the left entirely, unlike fox more than obviously does to the right, get a grip people.CNN is much more biased and politically un-center than FOX News is; and that's saying something because FOX is definitely not the pinnacle of "fair and balanced".

There is no such thing as neutral, unbiased, or unfiltered news and there never will be.

CNN is not some friggin liberal news control agency, they have a slgiht left leaning but they arnt playing to the left entirely, unlike fox more than obviously does to the right, get a grip people.

CNN is much more biased and politically un-center than FOX News is; and that's saying something because FOX is definitely not the pinnacle of "fair and balanced".

There is no such thing as neutral, unbiased, or unfiltered news and there never will be.

Please, GOD, do not let this turn into a Liberal vs Conservative bias media argument.

Who gives a shit? It's not the first time Arnold's said something that makes no sense at all.

"I admire Hitler for his public speaking skills and quick rise to power" anyone?

Still, he's a great guy, and American Icon, and a good leader. He's not blurred by party lines...he is who he is.

Please, GOD, do not let this turn into a Liberal vs Conservative bias media argument.


Too late! I'm rooting for the media as being, as a whole, barely right-of-center. Why? My dad reports for NBC, and he knows that, even though he is liberal, and most of the media hold liberal beliefs (why else would they go into the media? They value the truth, and want everyone to know what it is)
that they don't let their personal beliefs get in the way of their professionality. For the same reason that a Lawyer believes in justice, but defends the guilty. Their professionality is what restrains them. However, my father knows many of the FOX people, and they do have a slight agenda. It's more that they believe the media is liberal, and want to try to balance it out. It's actually not, and with FOX adding a conservative voice, we can deduce that the media is actually slightly right of center!!

Woot! Disproved liberal media bias with cold-hard facts! Booya!

Too late! I'm rooting for the media as being, as a whole, barely right-of-center. Why? My dad reports for NBC, and he knows that, even though he is liberal, and most of the media hold liberal beliefs (why else would they go into the media? They value the truth, and want everyone to know what it is)
that they don't let their personal beliefs get in the way of their professionality. For the same reason that a Lawyer believes in justice, but defends the guilty. Their professionality is what restrains them. However, my father knows many of the FOX people, and they do have a slight agenda. It's more that they believe the media is liberal, and want to try to balance it out. It's actually not, and with FOX adding a conservative voice, we can deduce that the media is actually slightly right of center!!

Woot! Disproved liberal media bias with cold-hard facts! Booya!

Cold hard facts like: we're supposed to believe your dad actually did that you and he aren't biased at all?

The only thing you proved is that you're in junior high.

Too late! I'm rooting for the media as being, as a whole, barely right-of-center. Why? My dad reports for NBC, and he knows that, even though he is liberal, and most of the media hold liberal beliefs (why else would they go into the media? They value the truth, and want everyone to know what it is)
that they don't let their personal beliefs get in the way of their professionality. For the same reason that a Lawyer believes in justice, but defends the guilty. Their professionality is what restrains them. However, my father knows many of the FOX people, and they do have a slight agenda. It's more that they believe the media is liberal, and want to try to balance it out. It's actually not, and with FOX adding a conservative voice, we can deduce that the media is actually slightly right of center!!

Woot! Disproved liberal media bias with cold-hard facts! Booya!
correct--the myth of the "liberal media" has been disproven over and over again-if the media were truely liberal then it wouldnt be passing on so many of the govt lies so uncritically and would instead be acten like the watchdog it was always supposed to be--insted the internet is picking up the slack of the conervative corporate media which refuses to do its job

Not like he won with a wave of his hand. He fought for his position just like all the other Governor canidates. And he fought the best. The car tax was highly unpopular to most people in California.


He won because he had the most name recognition and was the most charming. Plus he wasn't an independant and having a major party behind you is...well...having a major political party behind you. Gary Coleman may have been famous and fairly decent candidate too if you looked at some of his proposals...but he's no tall, muscular, charming movie star with the backing of a major party. Minus the muscles he's a lot like Reagan in that respect.

Be fair. That's how he won. Saying he 'fought for his position' is silly. They all 'fought' for it. He just had better weapons. Poor Gary with his pea shooter does not trump Arnie with a Howitzer.


And whats the problem with getting some money from the federal government? Better to fix the problem in the most populated state in America than to leave it to the White House's hands...

Asking for a check from the White House is leaving it to the White House.

49 US states shouldn't have to pay the debt of one reckless state. If that were the case the federal government should pay off the debt of a few states every fiscal year. In 10-20 years no one has debt. But that's not going to happen since it kills sane financial planning behaviour and will only create more reckless debt problems in the future. Something like that isn't even in the conservative enonomic playbook, but then again not a lot of things going on in this administration follows ANYTHING recognizing conservative economic values.

BTW did that check ever come in? Is there a date when it will be in the mail?

CNN is much more biased and politically un-center than FOX News is; and that's saying something because FOX is definitely not the pinnacle of "fair and balanced".

There is no such thing as neutral, unbiased, or unfiltered news and there never will be.
you, sir, are full of shit.

It doesn't matter what Arnold does in office, I don't care. It's just so cool to have the Terminator in a political position.

Cold hard facts like: we're supposed to believe your dad actually did that you and he aren't biased at all?

The only thing you proved is that you're in junior high.


Considering that you don't know my father, and that I'm actually a Junior in College, you will just have to take my word for it.

My father's friends, back when I was in high school, were mostly reporters and editors. I got to see their perspective on quite a few things. I listened to them talk, and read the stories they worked on, and noticed that their opinions usually didn't correlate with what they wrote. I asked all of them, why they didn't let their beliefs get in the way, and it was always the same answer "we're professional, we won't let our opinions get in the way of the news."

Certainly, it is just their opinion, but is it possible that you think the media is liberal because you are just conservative? Oh, by the way, I am extremely far to the left, so you can't pull that same one on me. I try to maintain a reasonable perspective.

Why? I would be decrying the media as the right arm of the right wing-nazi bastards, that is, if I didn't maintain some sense of perspective. I suggest that you acquire one, it'll do you good some day.

He won because he had the most name recognition and was the most charming. Plus he wasn't an independant and having a major party behind you is...well...having a major political party behind you. Gary Coleman may have been famous and fairly decent candidate too if you looked at some of his proposals...but he's no tall, muscular, charming movie star with the backing of a major party. Minus the muscles he's a lot like Reagan in that respect.

Be fair. That's how he won. Saying he 'fought for his position' is silly. They all 'fought' for it. He just had better weapons. Poor Gary with his pea shooter does not trump Arnie with a Howitzer.



Asking for a check from the White House is leaving it to the White House.

49 US states shouldn't have to pay the debt of one reckless state. If that were the case the federal government should pay off the debt of a few states every fiscal year. In 10-20 years no one has debt. But that's not going to happen since it kills sane financial planning behaviour and will only create more reckless debt problems in the future. Something like that isn't even in the conservative enonomic playbook, but then again not a lot of things going on in this administration follows ANYTHING recognizing conservative economic values.

BTW did that check ever come in? Is there a date when it will be in the mail?
F'n SoCal, shallow end of the pool. So much of that election was bs. The 24hr newschannels that wheren't in california and not bound by equal time elected arnold for us. "Repealing the Car tax" was a myth, the tax had been temporarily lowered a few years earlier when Cali was doing fine. When the time was up for the lowering we weren't, so we where going to let it return to normal. The debt, the one that Enron helped us with (thanks fuckers), had actually been managed by the time the election was held in a manner that wasn't going to pass it off to future Californians. Now it's cheaper to register my car, but UCs get 3500 less qualified freshman, no outreach (no use in giving the poor the tools to lift themselves out, and hey, if after this they want some assistance, screw them then too....). I can't even watch the guys movies anymore.

Does the media have an agenda? Yes, of course they do. Their agenda is to try to get truth out to the American People. The myth of a liberal media was started in the early Clinton years and America gobbled it right up. The same thing with Lawyers being smarmy assholes, and the military being brave, noble soldiers.

Isn't it funny how people will assume something, or hear something from someone else, and assume it is the truth? Without actually investigating it? If this could be applied to mythical monsers, then people would be saying "oh, yeah, I know tons of vampires, they steal the souls of used-car salesmen and drink goat semen." of course, we know that used-car salesmen don't have souls anyway (JK, I have a friend who is one, he is an honest guy actually. Maybe that's why he sells so few cars!) and vampires actually drink blood, but people will still assume anything, if they've heard it from someone else who claims to be an "authority" on the subject.

Who gives a shit? It's not the first time Arnold's said something that makes no sense at all.

"I admire Hitler for his public speaking skills and quick rise to power" anyone?

Still, he's a great guy, and American Icon, and a good leader. He's not blurred by party lines...he is who he is.

This isn't a mere slip of the tongue.

He may not be 'blurred' but he's supported heavily by a blurred bunch. If I hanged out with the wrong crew I might pick up some bad habits no matter how good a boy I was. Its what Mom warned us about! :)

I'm not sure about 'good leader', I don't keep tabs on him. He certainly has charisma; and charisma is the thick paint that can hide any rotting wood.

Hell, Leni Riefenstahl was a brilliant filmmaker but even she fell under the spell of evil because she thought Hitler was the only one who could 'save' Germany. That's nice and vague. Reminds me when Bush and his cheerleaders say that Bush is the only one who can fight terror and 'save' america. What is it with the messiah imagery with these people?

I don't care how good, brilliant or even charasmatic a person can be, anyone can be vulnerable to the dark side. (Hey, even Luke Skywalker almost joined...)

As for giving a shit, that 'socialist' comment Arnie snuck in there just reinforces what GOP followers thought they 'knew all along'. (here I go...) Hitler himself used this same strategy for rallying aryans around him by espousing things they 'knew all along'. Whether it is that socialists are evil (every country who have treasured social services created by socialists can scoff against this with me) or that aryans are the master race and Jews are like rodents; they all try to boost themselves on a superior standing than everything else, which means they don't even have to consider the opposition as human, let along consider its opinion. They do all of this by exaggerating what they 'knew all along'.

Its called 'justification'. If you convince yourself your actions are justified you can do damn near anything without remorse. And don't get me started on how mob mentality pictured in.

Its a highly dangerous attitude to ignore such a thing and the bull-headed, reactionary, self-aggrandizing RNC will only destroy America while doing it.

That is is we let them.

It doesn't matter what Arnold does in office, I don't care. It's just so cool to have the Terminator in a political position.

Its also cool to have a sex maniac as a wife. That is until she gives you herpes.

You conservatives really don't know how good life is for you because some liberal pushed for it. When you get old, you get Social Security. You get medicine. Now, when you drive your car, you don't have to worry about it blowing up, or some toxic waste spill poisoning your family. Or some farmer using DDT on his crops and you growing a third eye because of it.

Why the hell do you take us for granted? We know what good things you have done for us! We'll even admit that your pushing for stricter drunk driving laws is a good idea. So why don't you give us the same credit? We make America progress. We push America forward. When a problem comes up, we try to resolve it, not ignore it or make it worse! We help you, but get repaid with scorn? Well fuck you too you assholes!

Fuck the whole lot of you!

Its also cool to have a sex maniac as a wife. That is until she gives you herpes.
LOL Im sure after all the years of steroid abuse Ahhhnolds balls shrivelled up and fell off by now

Is fox news biased?

http://www.wonkette.com/archives/fox-news-memos-the-whole-batch-017613.php

I link, you deside.

On the topic at hand, yes Arnold Lied. Did these things happen somewhere? Yes. Did he partake of them? No. Sort of sounds like a certain world leader. The whole thing was sown in to make the connection that: "al-quada is the new communist and no one thought we could beat the old one but reagan did, so vote bush!"

F'n SoCal, shallow end of the pool. So much of that election was bs. The 24hr newschannels that wheren't in california and not bound by equal time elected arnold for us. "Repealing the Car tax" was a myth, the tax had been temporarily lowered a few years earlier when Cali was doing fine. When the time was up for the lowering we weren't, so we where going to let it return to normal. The debt, the one that Enron helped us with (thanks fuckers), had actually been managed by the time the election was held in a manner that wasn't going to pass it off to future Californians. Now it's cheaper to register my car, but UCs get 3500 less qualified freshman, no outreach (no use in giving the poor the tools to lift themselves out, and hey, if after this they want some assistance, screw them then too....). I can't even watch the guys movies anymore.

Can you find a site that gives the low down on how the debt rose? Some figures and such would be nice. Try to stay away from opinion pieces if possible.

I've been dying for a decent site ont he matter.

You conservatives really don't know how good life is for you because some liberal pushed for it. When you get old, you get Social Security.


Bush's deficits ate up Social Security.


Why the hell do you take us for granted? We know what good things you have done for us! We'll even admit that your pushing for stricter drunk driving laws is a good idea. So why don't you give us the same credit? We make America progress. We push America forward. When a problem comes up, we try to resolve it, not ignore it or make it worse! We help you, but get repaid with scorn? Well fuck you too you assholes!

Fuck the whole lot of you!

Hee hee. Ain't we spunky :p :sniper:

Normal, rational conservatives will probably give democrats credit where credit is due and they do deserve credit as well like you said.

However, McCain ain't running the show.

And try to keep the swearing down. You'll just give Bush supporters more justification not to listen to you and feel more superior over 'that little cursing liberal' :)

Is fox news biased?

http://www.wonkette.com/archives/fox-news-memos-the-whole-batch-017613.php

I link, you deside.

On the topic at hand, yes Arnold Lied. Did these things happen somewhere? Yes. Did he partake of them? No. Sort of sounds like a certain world leader. The whole thing was sown in to make the connection that: "al-quada is the new communist and no one thought we could beat the old one but reagan did, so vote bush!"

I am looking forward to downloading my copy of 'OutFoxed' :)

Bush's deficits ate up Social Security.



Hee hee. Ain't we spunky :p :sniper:

Normal, rational conservatives will probably give democrats credit where credit is due and they do deserve credit as well like you said.

However, McCain ain't running the show.

And try to keep the swearing down. You'll just give Bush supporters more justification not to listen to you and feel more superior over 'that little cursing liberal' :)


Yeah, those defecits sure did kill it for our elderly.

I don't usually swear, but that was my little rant for the day. I'm allowed at least one per day. It keeps the ulcers down ;)
But seriously, I am willing to give conservatives credit for what they have done (which is surprisingly little! Isn't that just so funny? I mean, in the past 50 years, what good policy have they pushed for in America, besides a balanced budget (which most conservatives haven't pushed for, either) stricter drunk driving laws (which are violated more by the trashy conservative population than anyone else) and stricter dangerous drug laws (Weed isn't a hard drug, by anyone's book. Actually, people are more willing to go to hard drugs when weed isn't around, and being a smoker myself, and seeing other potheads, they only go to harder drugs when they can't afford weed anymore! So make it cheaper! Make it legal! It works wonders in the Netherlands!) Back on the subject now. What good have they actually done for America that everyone can agree with? The words I'm looking for? Right, those are the words! Almost Nothing!!!!

Seriously, you guys should all move somewhere else. Maybe we'll be able to make something of America without you guys here to fuck it up!

Why the hell do you take us for granted? We know what good things you have done for us! We'll even admit that your pushing for stricter drunk driving laws is a good idea. So why don't you give us the same credit? We make America progress. We push America forward. When a problem comes up, we try to resolve it, not ignore it or make it worse! We help you, but get repaid with scorn? Well fuck you too you assholes!


The extreme Left is that natural desire to do whatever makes you feel good. The Left represents the little guy; the guy with pent-up aggression to the other guy with more money. Things are always going to come about because of you, because you are the majority. The Right is there to slow down (because stopping is not possible) the Left.

The two require each other, because neither is sensible. Please accept my gratitude for being my other half.

I just wanted to say that Arnold recalls a very similar history in his book 'The New Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding' and numerous other biographies. Unlike the author of the article, I doubt Arnold's memory was altered for the sake of the Republican party.

Arnold speaks of his father and the other fathers of his birthplace as men buried in shame that they gave in to the Nazis. Governments aren't likely to shake the effects of a socialist lifestyle in a matter of years. I believe his spokeperson when (s)he said Arnold was speaking as a person and not a historian.
Then you're a moron.

Can you find a site that gives the low down on how the debt rose? Some figures and such would be nice. Try to stay away from opinion pieces if possible.

I've been dying for a decent site ont he matter.
with the lack of numbers i can easily and logically assert the cause to be record spending on military and corporate causes while slicing taxes

more spending + less income = record deficits

The extreme Left is that natural desire to do whatever makes you feel good. The Left represents the little guy; the guy with pent-up aggression to the other guy with more money. Things are always going to come about because of you, because you are the majority. The Right is there to slow down (because stopping is not possible) the Left.

The two require each other, because neither is sensible. Please accept my gratitude for being my other half.

Believe me...look around in the forums. There is pent up aggression on all sides and they do it equally. Plenty of 'little guys' exist for the right. You didn't think the rich in the southern and midwest states were voting millions of times (well probably thousands) each in order to make them rebublican states, did you? Becasue that's what it would take to overcome states loaded down with 'little people'.

And the right do their own thing to feel good about themselves. Righteousness and righteous indignation is their drug of choice. Makes them feel superior. What a high it must be. I know the left does it too but in no way is the left so fanatical about it that they try to enshrine it in laws, government-supported organizations and constitutional ammendments. Its far too easy for them to remove civil and human rights and its scary.

I like what someone said in the article:
"He did not speak as a historian, after all, but as a politician,"
That pretty much sums up politicians, doesn't it? They can say what they like, without bothering with historical basis or other such petty concerns like truth or accuracy, as long as it sounds good.

Oh, and BTW it's not Ah-nold, it's Arr-Nuld.

Youre kidding right? ARE YOU KIDDING ME! Thats how the fool pronounces his own name! Why dont you evolve into something more inteligent, such as an amoeba for instance.

that had to be one of the most useless and pathetic insult ever. Evolution is also wrong as well (well the fact that we evoleved from chimps and fishies).

As much as it's funny that Arnold can't speak good english, it's not fun to make fun of the man. it's making you look more uneductaed yourselves. Proably one of the most stupid ways to make fun of a person: by the way he speaks. Fairly pathetic if you ask me.

Why not judge the man but not how he speaks english but on what he stand son and what you stand on.

More lies from the GOP

By MICHAEL PAUL WILLIAMS

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

So wrote George Orwell, who would have had a field day last week watching a GOP convention where Democrats were Republicans, enemies were friends and the lie became the truth.

Speaking of which: John McCain's "Straight Talk Express" sure veered off a cliff.

Four years ago, during the South Carolina primary, Bush supporters (operatives?) said McCain might be unhinged from his time as a POW. They also spread rumors that he had an illegitimate black child. (McCain and his wife had adopted a Bangladeshi girl.)

Armed with such falsehoods, Bush defeated McCain - the turning point in his securing of the Republican nomination.

None of this stopped McCain from praising Bush last week, leaving people to ask, "What did they promise him?" So McCain is just another politician after all. Who knew?

And who knows what John Kerry did to infuriate Zell Miller, the nominal Democratic senator from Georgia who savaged his colleague in an angry speech.

"For more than 20 years, on every one of the great issues of freedom and security, John Kerry has been more wrong, more weak and more wobbly than any other national figure," Miller said.

Funny. At a Democratic Party function in Georgia three years ago, Miller introduced Kerry as "one of this nation's authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders - and a good friend."

With friends like that . . .

Kerry, who had the poor judgment to make his Vietnam service the centerpiece of his campaign, is catching shrapnel from all sides.

First, the so-called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth strafed him with their misinformation campaign.

Then delegates at the Republican National Convention mocked Kerry's Purple Heart by wearing purple Band-Aids that read: "It was just a self-inflicted scratch, but you see I got a Purple Heart for it."

Kerry didn't stand a chance.

If GOP henchmen would attack a guy (McCain) who spent 5½ years in a Vietnamese prison camp, and would brand as soft on homeland security another U.S. senator (the ousted Max Cleland) who left three limbs in Vietnam, why would they flinch at going after him?

It doesn't matter to them that Kerry, a child of privilege, placed himself in harm's way while Bush and "Deferment Dick" Cheney stayed out of the fray.

Those delegates were apparently disappointed that Kerry, unlike thousands of soldiers in Iraq, didn't suffer debilitating injuries or come home in a casket.

Meanwhile, Bush continues the dishonest linkage between Iraq and 9/11.

"I mean, what is the cost of the attacks on the World Trade Center?" he replied last week when asked by Matt Lauer about the runaway expense of the Iraq occupation.

It also doesn't seem to matter that Osama "Dead or Alive" bin Laden remains at large. Or that Bush, the self-proclaimed "war president," keeps exploiting post 9/11 anxiety for political gain. With all this post 9/11 fear, it's best not to even mention Bush's failed economic policies.

After all, as Orwell might say, fear is security.

that had to be one of the most useless and pathetic insult ever. Evolution is also wrong as well (well the fact that we evoleved from chimps and fishies).


How did evolution get involved in this? It makes a hell of a lot more sense than creationism. I would like to know what you find wrong with it.

(BTW we didn't evolve from chimps, chimps and humans come from a common ancestor that we both evolved from)


As much as it's funny that Arnold can't speak good english, it's not fun to make fun of the man. it's making you look more uneductaed yourselves. Proably one of the most stupid ways to make fun of a person: by the way he speaks. Fairly pathetic if you ask me.


We're not teasing his speech. He speaks english as well as anyone else who speaks the language. We're making fun of our inability to spell his last name so we say 'Ah-nuld' to identify what Arnold we are talking about. How many different spellings of <Schwarzenegger> do you think you may have seen by now in this thread alone if we didn't use 'Ah-nold' (or something like that).

Besides, its a friendly jest at his name, not hateful, and its been around forever.


Why not judge the man but not how he speaks english but on what he stand son and what you stand on.

The people he hangs with scare children.

More lies from the GOP

By MICHAEL PAUL WILLIAMS

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

So wrote George Orwell, who would have had a field day last week watching a GOP convention where Democrats were Republicans, enemies were friends and the lie became the truth.

Speaking of which: John McCain's "Straight Talk Express" sure veered off a cliff.

Four years ago, during the South Carolina primary, Bush supporters (operatives?) said McCain might be unhinged from his time as a POW. They also spread rumors that he had an illegitimate black child. (McCain and his wife had adopted a Bangladeshi girl.)

Armed with such falsehoods, Bush defeated McCain - the turning point in his securing of the Republican nomination.

None of this stopped McCain from praising Bush last week, leaving people to ask, "What did they promise him?" So McCain is just another politician after all. Who knew?

And who knows what John Kerry did to infuriate Zell Miller, the nominal Democratic senator from Georgia who savaged his colleague in an angry speech.

"For more than 20 years, on every one of the great issues of freedom and security, John Kerry has been more wrong, more weak and more wobbly than any other national figure," Miller said.

Funny. At a Democratic Party function in Georgia three years ago, Miller introduced Kerry as "one of this nation's authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders - and a good friend."

With friends like that . . .

Kerry, who had the poor judgment to make his Vietnam service the centerpiece of his campaign, is catching shrapnel from all sides.

First, the so-called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth strafed him with their misinformation campaign.

Then delegates at the Republican National Convention mocked Kerry's Purple Heart by wearing purple Band-Aids that read: "It was just a self-inflicted scratch, but you see I got a Purple Heart for it."

Kerry didn't stand a chance.

If GOP henchmen would attack a guy (McCain) who spent 5½ years in a Vietnamese prison camp, and would brand as soft on homeland security another U.S. senator (the ousted Max Cleland) who left three limbs in Vietnam, why would they flinch at going after him?

It doesn't matter to them that Kerry, a child of privilege, placed himself in harm's way while Bush and "Deferment Dick" Cheney stayed out of the fray.

Those delegates were apparently disappointed that Kerry, unlike thousands of soldiers in Iraq, didn't suffer debilitating injuries or come home in a casket.

Meanwhile, Bush continues the dishonest linkage between Iraq and 9/11.

"I mean, what is the cost of the attacks on the World Trade Center?" he replied last week when asked by Matt Lauer about the runaway expense of the Iraq occupation.

It also doesn't seem to matter that Osama "Dead or Alive" bin Laden remains at large. Or that Bush, the self-proclaimed "war president," keeps exploiting post 9/11 anxiety for political gain. With all this post 9/11 fear, it's best not to even mention Bush's failed economic policies.

After all, as Orwell might say, fear is security.

The Bush Supporters should know that they don't give out Purple Hearts for little boo-boos. Do they think the military is that retarded?

McCain is cozying up for a chance at the big man's seat some day. I think its a great idea. Maybe he'll clean all the bastards out of the GOP for us.

Lets just relax and hope Bush gets re-elected so his crappy policies will get more time and get this country in such a mess that it will deal the Right Wing nuts a huge blow in the eyes of the people.

Is anyone else expecting OBL to be captured just before the election? I am.