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SBVT Using Names Without Permission

Magnatoria
04-09-2004, 08:35
Columbus swift boat vet angry about letter
By LINDA HALSTEAD-ACHARYA
Of The Gazette Staff

COLUMBUS - Swift boat veteran Bob Anderson of Columbus is ticked.

It bothers him that Sen. John Kerry's swift boat history has become such a political hot potato. But he's even more irritated that his name was included - without his permission - on a letter used to discredit Kerry.

"I'm pretty nonpolitical," the 56-year-old Anderson said Tuesday. So, when he found out last week that his name was one of about 300 signed on a letter questioning Kerry's service, he was "flabbergasted."


"It's kind of like stealing my identity," said Anderson, who spent a year on a swift boat as an engine man and gunner.

The letter, which was posted on the Swift Boat Veter-ans for Truth Web site, claims the Demo-cratic presidential candidate has "grossly and knowingly distorted the conduct of the American soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen of that (Vietnam) war."

The letter also criticizes Kerry for trying to change his image from a critic of the war to a war hero.

"After reading the letter," Anderson said, "it kind of got under my skin. I had never come across a situation where someone used my name without my support or approval. It's not a very comforting feeling."

What's worse, he said, he disagrees with the letter.

"Had they asked me to use my name, I wouldn't have allowed them to," he said.

Anderson, a 1966 graduate of Chinook High School, describes himself as a naive Montana kid who was smacked by the reality of war soon after arriving in Vietnam in 1967.

"It's not a very pleasant way to grow up," he said.

He served on a swift boat about the same time Kerry did. However, the first time he met Kerry was during a reunion of swift boat vets in Norfolk, Va., in March 2003.

Anderson said he cannot dispute or verify Kerry's experience. In fact, he's forgotten much of his own.

"You remember the simple things," he said. "The rest is what you don't want to remember."

He does, however, support Kerry's right to state his opinion.

"We say we're protecting democracy. That's why we go to war. As Americans, we can have our opinions, right?"

Anderson can vividly recall the last day of 1969, when his boat was attacked.

"The thing I remember before we got hit was the grass dragging on the sides of the boat - the canals were so narrow," he said. "I can also remember the smell of napalm."

Anderson's boat was about the fourth boat back in a string of 10. He describes the scene as an Armageddon. Fellow swift boat sailor Bob Wedge was so badly wounded, Anderson doubted he would survive.

"That boat was like a slaughterhouse that day," he said. "He (Wedge) just about bled to death before we got a tourniquet on him and the chopper got him."

Wedge, who lost a leg, was flown home. Thirty-four years passed before the two met again. Now they find themselves on the same side of another conflict.

Wedge, 60, of Mesquite, Nev., said his name, too, was on the list - and he's mad.

"This is the fourth or fifth time someone has called me or e-mailed me in regard to signing this damn letter," he wrote in an e-mail to Anderson. "I don't agree with it and want no part of it and especially don't want my name on it."

Both men have tried to contact the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth to have their names removed from the list. Neither have had any success.

"I can't seem to get a response when I reply to their e-mail," Wedge said.

"They come back undeliverable."

Anderson said he first learned about the situation last week when he received an e-mail from a third party. The e-mail, from a Tom Pyle, said Pyle had contacted a dozen men whose names showed up on the list. Of the dozen, three said they had not given permission, Anderson said.

"That leads me to believe that as many as 25 percent of the names are fictitious supporters of that group," he said.

Anderson does not know how the Swift Boat Vets for Truth got his name, but it appears exactly as it has appeared on rosters at swift boat vet reunions. He suspects the list was pulled from the Swift Boat Sailors Association, a nonpolitical, not-for-profit organization linking swift boat veterans.

Wedge said he's known about the list for several months. Unlike Anderson, he remembers receiving an e-mail asking if he wanted to sign the letter in support.

He speculates that his name was automatically added to the list when he opened the e-mail.

Both men say they are angry that Kerry's swift boat service has dominated so much of the campaign. And they say both sides are at fault.

"You see it every campaign, there's dirty politics on every side," Anderson said. "If the politicians spent more time on issues than on this, we'd know more about them."

Anderson cites the economy as one of the issues most important to him - that and getting the nation out of Iraq. Wedge is more focused on Social Security, Medicare reform, prescription drugs and adequate funding for education.

Anderson describes himself as an independent, saying he has voted both sides of the ticket when it comes to presidential races. Neither he nor Wedge, a registered Democrat, say they know who they will vote for this election.

"I don't know enough about Kerry to say whether I will vote for him," Anderson said. "I know enough about Bush that I won't vote for him."

Regardless of political loyalty, Anderson said he has a message he'd like to pass along.

"Don't believe everything you read. All it tells me is there is some politics going on there."
Magnatoria
04-09-2004, 08:35
If the Swift Boat Vets are using people's names without permission, what else are they willing to do?
Incertonia
04-09-2004, 08:39
John O'Neill was asked about this a couple of weeks ago, and his dodge was that they were going on the "best available information" and assuming that people agreed with them unless they were told otherwise. Smells a bit like bullshit tactics to me.
Incertonia
04-09-2004, 09:42
Swift Boat Vets defenders? Anyone? Anyone?
*crickets chirping*
Didn't think so.
Friends of Bill
04-09-2004, 09:48
Swift Boat Vets defenders? Anyone? Anyone?
*crickets chirping*
Didn't think so.
Can you defend John Kerry against the charges he has lied about his service record? THat he falsified documents? That he lied on the senate floor about being in cambodia?
Incertonia
04-09-2004, 09:50
Can you defend John Kerry against the charges he has lied about his service record? THat he falsified documents? That he lied on the senate floor about being in cambodia?
Sure--he misremembered the exact date he was in Cambodia. He remembered Christmas, but it was closer to Tet, which is the Vietnamese equivalent. Simple mistake. This is another loser issue for your side, FoB, whether you choose to believe it or not.
Friends of Bill
04-09-2004, 09:52
Sure--he misremembered the exact date he was in Cambodia. He remembered Christmas, but it was closer to Tet, which is the Vietnamese equivalent. Simple mistake. This is another loser issue for your side, FoB, whether you choose to believe it or not.
He lied. It was "seared, seared" into his memory, right? He is a liar, and a waffler, and he doesn't care about you, man. He wants radical Islamo-facist to kill you.
Incertonia
04-09-2004, 09:56
So tell me again, FoB--why is it you hate America so badly?
Friends of Bill
04-09-2004, 09:58
So tell me again, FoB--why is it you hate America so badly?
Your pathetic, and boring. If you are trying to piss me off, it is sad. Keep up the good work, you are really dragging america down into a third world nation, dependent upon government handouts. Pathetic. Thanks for not serving in the armed forces, you are sad.
Incertonia
04-09-2004, 10:00
Your pathetic, and boring. If you are trying to piss me off, it is sad. Keep up the good work, you are really dragging america down into a third world nation, dependent upon government handouts. Pathetic. Thanks for not serving in the armed forces, you are sad.Getting mad yet? Get used to it--I've been mad for the last three years while fuckwits like you accused me of the very same thing. Tables have turned, and until you give me an answer, I'm going to keep asking the question.

Why is it that you hate America so deeply, Friends of Bill?
Friends of Bill
04-09-2004, 10:02
Getting mad yet? Get used to it--I've been mad for the last three years while fuckwits like you accused me of the very same thing. Tables have turned, and until you give me an answer, I'm going to keep asking the question.

Why is it that you hate America so deeply, Friends of Bill?
Keep it up, I am just laughing at how pathetic you are. Fuckwit? That is what twenty years in college got you? You really raise the level of discourse here. Guess who has never served the nation in any manner? You!

Kerry Fled
Incertonia
04-09-2004, 10:05
Ah, but I have served the nation, because I've been a good citizen and cared about the level of political discourse until only this very night, whereas you obviously hate America. Why is that, Friends of Bill? Why do you hate America so very much?
Kryozerkia
04-09-2004, 10:19
Incertonia, just ignore the fucktard. He's obviously a waste of your time and beneath you. He's just a shameless troll. You should know better than yo feed the trolls. Are your ignore cannons updated?
Lacadaemon
04-09-2004, 10:20
Didn't he, as Mass. senator in the '80s, have ties to NORAID and sinn fein?

Yeah, he's obviously the guy to stop terrorists. (Oh and despite what he says, there is no way he'd be any more popular in europe than bush. Europeans think all american presidents are buffoons - including Clinton).
Kryozerkia
04-09-2004, 10:22
Didn't he, as Mass. senator in the '80s, have ties to NORAID and sinn fein?

Yeah, he's obviously the guy to stop terrorists. (Oh and despite what he says, there is no way he'd be any more popular in europe than bush. Europeans think all american presidents are buffoons - including Clinton).
He's the default choice for Canadians, who for the most part, want to see Bush get a one-way ticket out of the White House. To us, he's way better than that trigger-happy born-again dumb as a door nail Texan.
Paxania
04-09-2004, 10:25
Personally, I'm less disturbed by a few names in 300 than 16 men in a photo of 20.
Incertonia
04-09-2004, 10:26
Didn't he, as Mass. senator in the '80s, have ties to NORAID and sinn fein?

Yeah, he's obviously the guy to stop terrorists. (Oh and despite what he says, there is no way he'd be any more popular in europe than bush. Europeans think all american presidents are buffoons - including Clinton).Can you prove the ties? If so, do so. If not, don't make the accusation.
Lacadaemon
04-09-2004, 10:53
Well, I do know that he was behind getting Gerry Adams (the head of sinn fein the political wing of the IRA) an immigrant visa for fund raising in 94. That's public record.

But come on now, a senator from mass. called Kerry, and you want "proof" that he's never spoken for NORAID, or sympathized with sinn fein.

Bah, next you'll want proof that Gore, as a kentucky senator, never supported "big" tobacco.
Incertonia
04-09-2004, 10:58
Well, I do know that he was behind getting Gerry Adams (the head of sinn fein the political wing of the IRA) an immigrant visa for fund raising in 94. That's public record.

But come on now, a senator from mass. called Kerry, and you want "proof" that he's never spoken for NORAID, or sympathized with sinn fein.

Bah, next you'll want proof that Gore, as a kentucky senator, never supported "big" tobacco.Call me crazy, but yes, I would like proof. An Irish name doesn't necessarily equal support for the IRA. Besides, haven't you heard? Kerry's part Jewish as well. Stereotypes aren't always accurate.

And say what you will about Sinn Fein's ties to the IRA, but they're a recognized party in British politics, and as I recall, Adams wasn't implicated in anything that would keep him from being in the US on a visa.

I should note--I'm of Irish ancestry myself, although I'm at least a fifth generation American, so I don't think of myself as Irish, but I have no love for the IRA or what they do. I've no love for their opponents either--both sides are morally despicable as far as I'm concerned.
Lacadaemon
04-09-2004, 11:12
Look

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37615

Pat Buchanan agrees with you.

It occurs to me I have absolutley no idea what I'm talking about.
Friends of Bill
06-09-2004, 00:09
Incertonia, just ignore the fucktard. He's obviously a waste of your time and beneath you. He's just a shameless troll. You should know better than yo feed the trolls. Are your ignore cannons updated?
Shaddap, bitch.
Frisbeeteria
06-09-2004, 01:12
Bah, next you'll want proof that Gore, as a kentucky senator, never supported "big" tobacco.
Since you can't seem to tell the difference between Kentucky and Tennessee, the rest of your claim seems equally dubious. Hint: Grand Ol' Opry = Tennessee, Kentucky Derby = ... ummm ...
Ellbownia
06-09-2004, 04:50
He's the default choice for Canadians, who for the most part, want to see Bush get a one-way ticket out of the White House. To us, he's way better than that trigger-happy born-again dumb as a door nail Texan.

Right. He's incredibly stupid, but he fooled most of the world AND congress, including his opponent.
Kerry is a coward
06-09-2004, 04:52
Since you can't seem to tell the difference between Kentucky and Tennessee, the rest of your claim seems equally dubious. Hint: Grand Ol' Opry = Tennessee, Kentucky Derby = ... ummm ...
Did he win either of those states?
CanuckHeaven
06-09-2004, 07:31
Look

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37615

Pat Buchanan agrees with you.

It occurs to me I have absolutley no idea what I'm talking about.
What an interesting find in that article by Pat Buchanan:

Saddam's Iraq did not threaten us, did not attack us, did not want war with us, did not have weapons of mass destruction. Yet, we attacked, invaded and occupied Iraq. And when Iraqis attack our troops, we call it terror and we call them terrorists.

I would never have expected that from Mr. Buchanan. :eek:
Gymoor
06-09-2004, 07:40
What an interesting find in that article by Pat Buchanan:

Saddam's Iraq did not threaten us, did not attack us, did not want war with us, did not have weapons of mass destruction. Yet, we attacked, invaded and occupied Iraq. And when Iraqis attack our troops, we call it terror and we call them terrorists.

I would never have expected that from Mr. Buchanan. :eek:

As much as I disagree with Buchanan's priorities, I actually have to admit that he must have some integrity, for he is actually willing to speak loudly as to the failings of the Bush Administration's inability to even live up to an honest conservative philosophy. Hopefully more people will become willing to show more loyalty to their country than to the sham their party has become.
CanuckHeaven
06-09-2004, 07:48
As much as I disagree with Buchanan's priorities, I actually have to admit that he must have some integrity, for he is actually willing to speak loudly as to the failings of the Bush Administration's inability to even live up to an honest conservative philosophy. Hopefully more people will become willing to show more loyalty to their country than to the sham their party has become.
Isn't "honest conservative" an oxymoron? J/K.....I am sure there are many conservatives out there who are not too happy with the way the current administration has been throwing around hundreds of Billions of "borrowed" dollars?

For once, on that above statement by Pat, I can totally agree with a Republican. :D
Incertonia
06-09-2004, 08:44
What an interesting find in that article by Pat Buchanan:

Saddam's Iraq did not threaten us, did not attack us, did not want war with us, did not have weapons of mass destruction. Yet, we attacked, invaded and occupied Iraq. And when Iraqis attack our troops, we call it terror and we call them terrorists.

I would never have expected that from Mr. Buchanan. :eek:Well, Buchanan is a xenophobe, and he's a nationalist, but he's also generally honest about his opinions. He also opposed the first Gulf War, although nnot too many people remember that. I disagree with him more often than not, but I'll give him this much--he rarely tries to bullshit you.
CanuckHeaven
06-09-2004, 08:57
Well, Buchanan is a xenophobe, and he's a nationalist, but he's also generally honest about his opinions. He also opposed the first Gulf War, although nnot too many people remember that. I disagree with him more often than not, but I'll give him this much--he rarely tries to bullshit you.
Well I do have to give him credit here. He told the TRUTH!! :D