NationStates Jolt Archive

Ten thousand policemen, who knows how many hundreds of FLEO's of every stripe and GOP security concentrated in a one square kilometer area - well supported by every kind of security tool, technique and approach imaginable - could not stop protesters from getting into Madison Square Garden. Not even on the day that 'The Big Push' was on: the day of their idol's speech.

They couldn't stop civillians motivated to penetrate their one square kilometer shield, yet somehow we are to believe that they will magically manage the 9,631,418 square kilometers that is the fifty states where just ordinary folks lives are at stake.

Are you safe yet?

Of course I feel safe. I'm (idealogically) with the civilians.

Can we get a link to an article? I want to see the details.

Ok, you can't stop protesters because non-violent resistence or assembly is legal on our Free Country. So therefore, the police could not use force against these people.
If this were, for example, Communist China, you would have dead civilian protesters spewing their blood for their cause. (but I doubt they'd be trying to get into MSG)

Of course I feel safe. I'm (idealogically) with the civilians.

Can we get a link to an article? I want to see the details.
You want a link? On WHAT?

On the security in and around the convention site, Madison Square Garden?

On the well reported facts regarding number of police/FLEO/security personnel in that immediate area?

On the well reported fact that the convention site was breached by protesters on numerous occasions?

On the well reported fact that at least two protesters were hauled out of the arena during Bush's speech?

Kiddo, either pay attention, or get up off your metaphorical ass and get yourself informed. For chrissakes, even Fox reported this stuff!

BTW - civillians are considered acceptable losses. The acceptable number depends on the context of an event. One example is immediately after 9-11. Bushes people had the EPA write off all the civillians downtown in favor of two objectives;

- Getting the markets up & running ASAP.

- Giving the appearance of quick recovery and national stability.

Kiddo, you may feel safe but that is an illusion that can be disolved in a flash, if you survive the flash.

Ok, you can't stop protesters because non-violent resistence or assembly is legal on our Free Country. So therefore, the police could not use force against these people.
If this were, for example, Communist China, you would have dead civilian protesters spewing their blood for their cause. (but I doubt they'd be trying to get into MSG)
Hmmm . . I detect the whiff of sarcasm. No?

..and hwhats this topic about?
im confused

..and hwhats this topic about?
im confused
The first post examines the governments inability to secure the RNC site in New York from mere protesters and extrapolates that outward by roughly 9,631,418 times to question the premise that any amount of security will ever be enough to make the US safer let alone safe from dedicated, disciplined attacks.

The safest place to be is…umm…The safest place to be is…Where in the hell is that place?

Oh yeah, dead. But even then there’s no guarantees.

Ok, you can't stop protesters because non-violent resistence or assembly is legal on our Free Country. So therefore, the police could not use force against these people.
If this were, for example, Communist China, you would have dead civilian protesters spewing their blood for their cause. (but I doubt they'd be trying to get into MSG)

Although this hasn't stopped the police and government from doing China-quality stuff to protesters during the 60's and 70's.

The Kent State Massacre, the riot at the DNC, the race riots, and God knows what else.

For a democracy the US has a lousy record on protesting.

I'd remind you that the U.S. isn't the only nation to have occasional lapses with protesters. Virtually all industrialized nations have faced this problem at one time or another. More importantly, we are nowhere near the level of China. They called in tanks to Tianmen(sp?) Square, and have terrible human rights violations against their own citizens. We aren't doing too bad.
Besides, if some of the idiots in the crowds would show some respect to the police (a neutral group, bent on protecting all citizens, regardless of politics), and not get out of hand, there wouldn't be a problem.