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He said that Kerry isn't from the West, and that he doesn't understand it. Okay, fair enough. However, he went on to say that they're both from the West, and went on and on about Kerry being from the Northeast.
Now I'm from the Northeast. What does Cheney's little statement tell him about us Republicans stranded up here? Simple. It means that we don't matter.
Now, I know that this isn't what a Bush White House wants. It can be argued, for example, that the Northeast actually benefitted from a Bush Administration by helping to revive the rust belt (or at least where I live in Upstate NY). However, Cheney is sending the wrong message here.
Anothher thing is that this is fodder for the Democrats. Kerry is from Massachusetts, Edwards is from North Carolina. Cheney has basically left the East Coast open for a Democratic assault, especially since two swing states, Pennsylvania and Florida, are there. This little slip of the tongue will cost the GOP dearly.

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040903_1807.html
He said that Kerry isn't from the West, and that he doesn't understand it. Okay, fair enough. However, he went on to say that they're both from the West, and went on and on about Kerry being from the Northeast.
Now I'm from the Northeast. What does Cheney's little statement tell him about us Republicans stranded up here? Simple. It means that we don't matter.
Now, I know that this isn't what a Bush White House wants. It can be argued, for example, that the Northeast actually benefitted from a Bush Administration by helping to revive the rust belt (or at least where I live in Upstate NY). However, Cheney is sending the wrong message here.
Anothher thing is that this is fodder for the Democrats. Kerry is from Massachusetts, Edwards is from North Carolina. Cheney has basically left the East Coast open for a Democratic assault, especially since two swing states, Pennsylvania and Florida, are there. This little slip of the tongue will cost the GOP dearly.

You don't matter to them. Come join us.

Purely Euclid is no longer a sleeper

You don't matter to them. Come join us.
Remember, I'm having a little disagreement with Cheney. This isn't the beginning of my defection, boys :).

Consider though, if you really believe what the Republican party believes. I managed to convince my mom that she is just a moralistic socialist. She is a moderate, loathes Bush, and as such, loves Kerry.

Send him a postcard from your state telling him to go f himself!

Remember, I'm having a little disagreement with Cheney. This isn't the beginning of my defection, boys :).
Dig a little deeper. You've only scratched the surface of dumbass, offensive things that high-ranking members of the GOP have said.

Remember, I'm having a little disagreement with Cheney. This isn't the beginning of my defection, boys :).

They don't care what they say about NY because they know they haven't a hope in hell of winning the state. You know that. ;)

Dig a little deeper. You've only scratched the surface of dumbass, offensive things that high-ranking members of the GOP have said.
There is a difference between ignorance and dumbass's acts. I still think GOP is just ignorant, they can't be that bad.

Consider though, if you really believe what the Republican party believes. I managed to convince my mom that she is just a moralistic socialist. She is a moderate, loathes Bush, and as such, loves Kerry.
Well, I do. I'll just show you why economically, which tends to be the dividing line between the parties. I believe in tax cuts for everyone, and if possible, a flat income tax. Yes, it will give lots to the "wealthiest 1%", but they'll save that money. If it goes in a bank, then banks are flushed with cash for loans, and can lower their interest rates (after a while). If it's invested, it enrichens companies. It worked in the eighties, and it can work today. I also believe that the government should leave a minimum footprint on the economy, because a.) it discourages competition and innovation, and b.) the government tends to be clumsy. That's just a little run down, but I'm a firm believer. I don't agree with the Republicans 100%, but neither do most Republicans. And I certainly would never want to be a Democrat. They have the same basic economic principles, but have different means to get there.

They don't care what they say about NY because they know they haven't a hope in hell of winning the state. You know that. ;)
NY is in play. Giulliani spoke at the Republican convention, and really, the politics of NYC become the state's politics, despite being only 1/3 of the state's population. It'll probably still be blue, but it won't be as solid as normal.

NY is in play. Giulliani spoke at the Republican convention, and really, the politics of NYC become the state's politics, despite being only 1/3 of the state's population. It'll probably still be blue, but it won't be as solid as normal.

NY is not in play.. wishful thinking perhaps.. :cool:

Cheney and Bush both flung broad insults at their prospective voters by saying things like 'even Senators from Massachusits understand that', implying that the area is populated by idiots and governed by them.

Cheney and Bush both flung broad insults at their prospective voters by saying things like 'even Senators from Massachusits understand that', implying that the area is populated by idiots and governed by them.
Like Michael Dukakis? How about that one high school dropout they elected governor a few years back? She had twins, her popularity plumetted, and she resigned. Then there's Ted Kennedy, despite Chappaquidik. They aren't idiots, but they have bad choices for politicians and public projects, like the ever-going "Big Dig".

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040903_1807.html
He said that Kerry isn't from the West, and that he doesn't understand it. Okay, fair enough. However, he went on to say that they're both from the West, and went on and on about Kerry being from the Northeast.
Now I'm from the Northeast. What does Cheney's little statement tell him about us Republicans stranded up here? Simple. It means that we don't matter.
Such is US politics. Cheney knows that Kerry will get every north-east state, so, yes, Republican minorities don't matter there to him. Another reason to get rid of electoral college - Purly deserves a voice.

NY is not in play.. wishful thinking perhaps.. :cool:
A lot of Republicans exist here, but are too afraid to come out of the closet. New York, for example, has a Republican for governor. Even when broken down to a county-by-county basis, there were more red counties than blue ones.

Cheney and Bush both flung broad insults at their prospective voters by saying things like 'even Senators from Massachusits understand that', implying that the area is populated by idiots and governed by them.

Look at their Senators: John Kerry and Ted Kennedy. While we can't be sure that the area is populated entirely by idiots, we can safely assume that for some reason only the idiots vote for the Senators.

Such is US politics. Cheney knows that Kerry will get every north-east state, so, yes, Republican minorities don't matter there to him. Another reason to get rid of electoral college - Purly deserves a voice.
No I don't. If we eliminate the electoral college in the US, candidates will only campaign around the cities, not in any smaller states. And remember, I don't live in a city. I live in a suburb of Rochester, NY, a small city at least 400 mi. from New York. The state doesn't end north of Westchester County, despite what many outside the North East assume.

Well, I do. I'll just show you why economically, which tends to be the dividing line between the parties. I believe in tax cuts for everyone, and if possible, a flat income tax. Yes, it will give lots to the "wealthiest 1%", but they'll save that money. If it goes in a bank, then banks are flushed with cash for loans, and can lower their interest rates (after a while). If it's invested, it enrichens companies. It worked in the eighties, and it can work today. I also believe that the government should leave a minimum footprint on the economy, because a.) it discourages competition and innovation, and b.) the government tends to be clumsy. That's just a little run down, but I'm a firm believer. I don't agree with the Republicans 100%, but neither do most Republicans. And I certainly would never want to be a Democrat. They have the same basic economic principles, but have different means to get there.
But that's like saying "ah, if I buy this plasma screen TV, then maybe the shopowner will donate some of it to charity, so really I'm doing a great thing".

Look at their Senators: John Kerry and Ted Kennedy. While we can't be sure that the area is populated entirely by idiots, we can safely assume that for some reason only the idiots vote for the Senators.
Why is voting democrat idiotic? Like voting fior Nixon and his scandals was so much more intelligent.

Like Michael Dukakis? How about that one high school dropout they elected governor a few years back? She had twins, her popularity plumetted, and she resigned. Then there's Ted Kennedy, despite Chappaquidik. They aren't idiots, but they have bad choices for politicians and public projects, like the ever-going "Big Dig".

Jane Swift? I never really liked her to begin with, I also loath Mitt Romney (the current governor), but I haven't liked any of our governors since... errr.... Dukakis for about 5 minutes. Do not speak of the Big Dig, done by 2000, yea, that plan worked out great, but at least we're getting rid of that rickety and vile colored Central Artery.

But that's like saying "ah, if I buy this plasma screen TV, then maybe the shopowner will donate some of it to charity, so really I'm doing a great thing".

So lets just steal his money instead, when ever human nature is in doubt and people don't do exactly what you want, resort to force, right? Because that's what wealth "redistribution" is, blatant theivery.

Why is voting democrat idiotic? Like voting fior Nixon and his scandals was so much more intelligent.

Voting Democratic isn't idiotic, as Zell Miller has proved, but voting for radicals like Kerry and Kennedy is quite silly.
On a side note, name one person who voted for Nixon's scandals.

Look at their Senators: John Kerry and Ted Kennedy. While we can't be sure that the area is populated entirely by idiots, we can safely assume that for some reason only the idiots vote for the Senators.

I happen to like both Kerry and Kennedy, and if you could view any of their opposition, you might realize why. Well, except for the man who might replace Kerry when he wins, what the hell was his name, he's related to Kennedy, and runs some kind of electricity company or something, I can't remember, but he is the only one I might consider voting for in lieu of Kerry or Kennedy.

But that's like saying "ah, if I buy this plasma screen TV, then maybe the shopowner will donate some of it to charity, so really I'm doing a great thing".
We have other threads to discuss this, but hey, why don't I refute you.
Charities are a wonderful thing, really. They provide relief services to the destitute. But they never go beyond that. They don't lift anyone out of poverty. In the last decade, 100,000,000 Indians didn't escape poverty due to a huge outpouring of love. They did because the socialist government loosened restrictions. Economy is really the greatest form of charity, and in our economy, it is next to impossible to let money rot in a box under your bed. It either goes in a bank, or into a stock market, and gets used from there.

A lot of Republicans exist here, but are too afraid to come out of the closet. New York, for example, has a Republican for governor. Even when broken down to a county-by-county basis, there were more red counties than blue ones.

Look at your state polls, NY is not in play in 2004. It's blue!

Voting Democratic isn't idiotic, as Zell Miller has proved, but voting for radicals like Kerry and Kennedy is quite silly.
On a side note, name one person who voted for Nixon's scandals.

So voting liberal Democrat is idiotic, thanks for clearing that up, I thought I was intelligent for a second there.

Jane Swift? I never really liked her to begin with, I also loath Mitt Romney (the current governor), but I haven't liked any of our governors since... errr.... Dukakis for about 5 minutes. Do not speak of the Big Dig, done by 2000, yea, that plan worked out great, but at least we're getting rid of that rickety and vile colored Central Artery.
Oh, that's done? Well I'm glad. But it took forever, at least twenty years. The project was so corrupt and poorly managed. It was better for the local mafia than for the Bostonians.

A lot of Republicans exist here, but are too afraid to come out of the closet. New York, for example, has a Republican for governor. Even when broken down to a county-by-county basis, there were more red counties than blue ones.

We here in Massachusetts have a Republican Governor as well, but if you are going to say this means Massachusetts is up for grabs, you've lost it. NY is solidly Democratic this year, and probably far into the future.

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So voting liberal Democrat is idiotic, thanks for clearing that up, I thought I was intelligent for a second there.

No problem. :)

Look at your state polls, NY is not in play in 2004. It's blue!
I'm sure it'll be blue, but not the fortress it usually is. Already, Kerry has made a few stops in New York, and not just during the convention. He visited some firefighters' conference, and a couple of local societies. He's devouting a few more resources to New York than most Democrats do.

Oh, that's done? Well I'm glad. But it took forever, at least twenty years. The project was so corrupt and poorly managed. It was better for the local mafia than for the Bostonians.

Hehe, I wish it were done, it was supposed to be done, and it's been going on since the 80's (in real swing through the 90's). Some parts of it are done, like the Lenny Zakim Bridge (which is a vast improvement over what yo used to have to do, that rusty green colored, oh I have to stop now), but part of it are still under construction. It definitely is a great example of corruption, and how not to go about massive public works projects.

We here in Massachusetts have a Republican Governor as well, but if you are going to say this means Massachusetts is up for grabs, you've lost it. NY is solidly Democratic this year, and probably far into the future.
It's certainly not up for grabs. Massachussetts will probably be more solidly blue than New York, or even California.

I'm sure it'll be blue, but not the fortress it usually is. Already, Kerry has made a few stops in New York, and not just during the convention. He visited some firefighters' conference, and a couple of local societies. He's devouting a few more resources to New York than most Democrats do.
http://www.electionprojection.com/elections2004.html

NY is more than 10% over for Kerry.

Hehe, I wish it were done, it was supposed to be done, and it's been going on since the 80's (in real swing through the 90's). Some parts of it are done, like the Lenny Zakim Bridge (which is a vast improvement over what yo used to have to do, that rusty green colored, oh I have to stop now), but part of it are still under construction. It definitely is a great example of corruption, and how not to go about massive public works projects.
So some of it is still being worked on. At least the project has less corrupt officials and contractors running it.

http://www.electionprojection.com/elections2004.html

NY is more than 10% over for Kerry.
Oh, this guy. I think he's forgetting that the GOP has some inroads in NY. Like I said, it'll still be blue, but not as safe for Kerry as it normally would be.

I'm from NYC and I can tell you a Republican running for president will never win the state again. Reagan will be the last one to do it.

Somebody here said to abolish the electrol system...i hope you know that Hamiliton and Madison would slap your face to the other side of your ass for such a stupid comment. Cause we all love mobcracy...

Oh, this guy. I think he's forgetting that the GOP has some inroads in NY. Like I said, it'll still be blue, but not as safe for Kerry as it normally would be.

It's safe! :)

Voting Democratic isn't idiotic, as Zell Miller has proved, but voting for radicals like Kerry and Kennedy is quite silly.
On a side note, name one person who voted for Nixon's scandals.
Nixon, Candidates can vote too!

It's safe! :)
Not as safe as it used to be. And if Hillary Clinton runs in 2008, mark my words that she will lose New York. She's not even pretending to represent New Yorkers, but is rather trying to push her agenda that she's had for years (and strangely enough, it's identical to Bill's).

So some of it is still being worked on. At least the project has less corrupt officials and contractors running it.

In the end, it had to be done, Boston's transportation infrastructure has needed a major renovation a la the Big Dig since like, 1932, but they could have done a better job.

As for New York, there are some solidly Republican parts of it, I recently visited Mooers Forks, NY, about 3 miles from the Canadian border, near Plattsburgh. Bush/Cheney stickers everywhere, I must have been the only Kerry/Edwards sticker within miles.

As for New York, there are some solidly Republican parts of it, I recently visited Mooers Forks, NY, about 3 miles from the Canadian border, near Plattsburgh. Bush/Cheney stickers everywhere, I must have been the only Kerry/Edwards sticker within miles.
The Republican areas here are mostly suburban and rural, but hardly anyone votes there. To be honest, I think it has to do with the fact that most rural and suburanites are Catholic. I'm not Catholic bashing here, I'm one myself. But Catholics aren't like the evangelicals, that is, they don't feel like their religion is oppressed by the media/government/big city slickers.

Cheney's comment is indicative of what annoys me the most about the Bush administration. They seem so eager to alienate all but the most narrow part of their constituency.
I think this is why people so virulently hate the Bush administration. I'm a lifelong liberal and I opposed Bush Sr. and Bob Dole, but I despise George W. Unlike, the other Republicans I mentioned, I don't think that Bush and his administration give a toss what I or anyone opposed to them on any issue think. I'm disgusted by the way Bush et al. have framed the political debate in this country, where the views of even other Republicans such as John McCain, Arlen Specter and former Republican Jim Jeffords were marginalized. If those three men can't hope to get Bush to listen to him, what hope do the rest of us have?

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040903_1807.html
He said that Kerry isn't from the West, and that he doesn't understand it. Okay, fair enough. However, he went on to say that they're both from the West, and went on and on about Kerry being from the Northeast.
Now I'm from the Northeast. What does Cheney's little statement tell him about us Republicans stranded up here? Simple. It means that we don't matter.
Now, I know that this isn't what a Bush White House wants. It can be argued, for example, that the Northeast actually benefitted from a Bush Administration by helping to revive the rust belt (or at least where I live in Upstate NY). However, Cheney is sending the wrong message here.
Anothher thing is that this is fodder for the Democrats. Kerry is from Massachusetts, Edwards is from North Carolina. Cheney has basically left the East Coast open for a Democratic assault, especially since two swing states, Pennsylvania and Florida, are there. This little slip of the tongue will cost the GOP dearly.Do not worry about North Carolina. We are secure for the GOP here, and I am proud of this. So is South Carolina and Virginia.

Do not worry about North Carolina. We are secure for the GOP here, and I am proud of this. So is South Carolina and Virginia.
Still, Cheney's comments open a window of oppritunity. Virginia is surprisingly shaky this year. The most important on the East Coast, however, is Florida. No matter who wins that state, it'll be extremely close.

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