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Hey everyone, I am looking for the best debaters around for a project that popped into my head during Government class today. I would like to attempt a debate. A debate that will cover several issues. This is why I want only skilled debaters. I want to have each of the debaters briefly state where they stand on each of the issues that will be discussed, then they will argue the opposite side. It is an enjoyable experience. We did it in one of my debate classes once. If you are interested, please reply. I only want serious debate, sarcastic arguments will not do.

The following are some of the issues I want to see discussed:

Abortion
Gun-control
Communism vs. Capitalism
Euthanasia
Gay Marrige
Economics

I am also open to other suggestions. Tell me what you think.

My opinions are these.

Abortion should be outlawed because. when the sperm becomes a fetus, it is given a soul, therfore aborting it is murder in the eyes of god Murder will get you a one way ticket to hell.


Capitalism is better than commies communism does not aknowledge that certain services are better than others. like saving a life is more important than taking out the trash. it also gos against the natural human urge to own things. Carl marx (inventor of communism) and his freind angus were focusing on something ideal, but unfortunately, unobtainable by logic.

Spok says No To commies. ;)

Gay marriage should be illegal because god created women for men and vice versa. two guys getting married is unatural.

Hey everyone, I am looking for the best debaters around for a project that popped into my head during Government class today. I would like to attempt a debate. A debate that will cover several issues. This is why I want only skilled debaters. I want to have each of the debaters briefly state where they stand on each of the issues that will be discussed, then they will argue the opposite side. It is an enjoyable experience. We did it in one of my debate classes once. If you are interested, please reply. I only want serious debate, sarcastic arguments will not do.

The following are some of the issues I want to see discussed:

Abortion
Gun-control
Communism vs. Capitalism
Euthanasia
Gay Marrige
Economics

I am also open to other suggestions. Tell me what you think.
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Gay Marriage Legalization Pros&Cons
(Counter Arguments)

Pros
1. Homosexuals will get the right to marry who they love and the basic ecomnomic advatages from marriage. (They could do they same though civil unions or something like that)

2. Marriage for Heterosexuals and not Homosexuals and is another example of Inequality/Discrimination. (Marriage is a sacred ceremony, important to almost all who wed, and don't want to be redifined)

3. People and the Government shouldn't care what gay people or any people are doing (but it is intefering with morals and religion, like legalizing murder)

Cons
1.Gay people as a couple would, naturally, want children, and would have to adopt or create test tube babies. These children will probably get teased and/or grow up in a bad environment. (Not proven, heterosexuals might do same too)

2. Againist Religion/Morals. Throughout history it has been Man and Woman. Marriage comes from the basis of churches and religion. (wait, does that mean athiests can't get married? Also, Seperation of church and state)

3. Slipery Slope. Eventually this will allow polygamy or someone wedding a toaster (Highly Unlikey)





It all falls apart without religion, though

In my view, homosexuals should be allowed to marry. The thing that many people who talk about how it is against religion or the Bible forget the most important rule of Christianity. In fact, it was so important that Jesus called it the Golden Rule. "Do unto others as you wold like others to do unto you." Now tell me this, if we shouldn't allow gays to marry then why shouldn't we ban straight marriage? Also, in America, we are all supposed to be socially equal. Apparently not if you ban gay marriage. Doesn't it say in the Declaration of Independence that "All men are created equal." I believe throughly in the Bible and the Declaration of Independence and it will be pretty hard to change my mind.

Abortion
life is plentiful, if one unrealised life is not begun, the life will begin elsewhere. the foetus doesn't become a distinct and unique personality untill after birth. so in the case of a unwanting mother, putting the potential in favour of the actual doesn't make sense to me.

Gun-control
no guns. (british, so i've never really had to consider this, but without a gun tradition to begin with introduced one seems stupid.)

Communism vs. Capitalism
a mixture. a system where people have a lot of freedom in everything but their own accounts. however, the state (or preferably some kind of anarchist collective.. but thats not gunna happen) makes sure that people gain from their work.

Euthanasia
again, life is pleantiful, if someone is suffering they should have the right to end their life.

Gay Marrige
well being bisexual myself, i would like all doors open to me if my soulmate happens to be of the same sex, but even if i was heterosexual i would still approve as no-one has the right to deny a couples' love.

Its hard to argue using points you've previously tried to rip to shreds. I think this is why you've gotten absolutely no response to your original sugestion. People don't like to compromise their actual position. Can't help yah, sorry. I guess it just works better in a live setting.

Abortion: I personally don't see the need for it, if we had free contraceptives for all, and a culture that supported the use, then we wouldn't need abortion. But, because it exists, and I am not a woman, I will leave it up to her to choose

Gun Control: Not for this either. I can use the guns too my advantage, and I think that a more equally distributed economic system with lessened drug laws would be far better for reducing crime

Communism: When worked properly, it uses the advantages of capitalism (prosperity, innovation, hard work, ambition) and distributes those advantages to everyone. I am a Marxist, and I know that marxism is basically capitalism that everyone gets to practice together.

Euthanasia: I am a bit touchy on this one. I am from the state of Oregon, and we have a Euthanasia law that allows someone who is suffering to kill themselves, but forced Euthanasia of any kind violates every value and accomplishment that democracy has ever made.

Gay Marriage: Albeit, I am a christian, but I have come to the conclusion that any biblical basis that conservatives come to regarding gay marriage is false. I believe in equal rights for all, including those whom I may or may not be comfortable with. And love is love, nothing will change that. So in the spirit of freedom and love, I support gay marriage

Economics: I am strictly Protectionist, Mercantilist, and Marxist. This, I believe, is the best combination for the prosperity of any country, and I strive to bring this system about.

I've done this kind of thing before, it is fairly easy if you are a MUN member. But, if you cannot argue the other point of view, then your argument is not strong enough. It is beneficial to be able to argue both sides.

strange, not too many of the spam happy high post count members on this thread yet (apart from you _Susa_ ;))

1. Abortion - moral arguments against the practice of abortion are flawed in the absence of religious faith or some other universal morality. As a man, it is not my place to impose my morality on another person. The best person to judge whether or not too abort will almost always be the pregnant woman concerned and as such it should be her decision.

2. Guns kill, end of story. Handguns are unneccesary and should be banned as should automatic weapons unsuitable for hunting. While it is most often illegal weapons that are used in crimes, high numbers of legal weapns will usually correspond to a high number of illegal weapons and in turn to high amounts of gun crime.

3. Communism vs Capitalism. Capitalism is very sucessful as defined by the goals it sets itself, ie the expansion in production of material goods. It is undoubtedly the best system of political economy if we consider material well being to be valuable in itself. I would argue, however, that there are somewhat intangible costs of capitalism that we need to take into account. Environmental sustainability, the pursuit of equality and quality over quantity are for instance all issues that capitalism is unable to address with any success. I would not quite go so far as to say communism is a better system as applied in Eastern Europe but there are other systems that we could and should consider.

4. Euthanasia - i cant say i know too much about the issue but it certainly is messy. I am personally in favour of euthanasia but I would hope that tolerance would remain unlegislated in a dont ask dont tell manner.

5. Gay Marraige. Marraige is to a certain extent owned by religious institutions like the Catholic Church and as such they have a right to define marraige in any manner they like. The State however must extend legal privelledge equal to marraige towards homosexual couples in order to protect the interests of that part of society. This can be done by creating legal union outside the institution of marraige.

6. Economics. Economics is a pseudo-science that i place little faith in. It relies on too many concepts an definitions from other disciplines such as statistics, psychology etc and as such it is meaningless except in reference to other fields of academia. Lets face it, if economistys were that smart, we wouldnt have recessions would we (dumb argument i know but hey, this is six very different questions in a row and i'm getting a sore head).