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For the most part I am independent, neither party. But if I had to be on one side and vote for the candidate representing that party every presidential election I would probably choose Republican. This is just a generalization, but most Republicans seem a tad bit more down to earth to me. Democrats tend to look like they are really slick and sly, like used-car salesmen, and I just don't trust them as much. It just seems to me like they tend to be in office more for their own benefit than the country's benefit. Anyway, that is just my opinion.

you truley are suicidal arent you? LOL

Republicans down to earth??? :headbang:

Puh-leeze!

For the most part I am independent, neither party. But if I had to be on one side and vote for the candidate representing that party every presidential election I would probably choose Republican. This is just a generalization, but most Republicans seem a tad bit more down to earth to me. Democrats tend to look like they are really slick and sly, like used-car salesmen, and I just don't trust them as much. It just seems to me like they tend to be in office more for their own benefit than the country's benefit. Anyway, that is just my opinion.
Well, the two democratic senators from my state (I've had the privilage to meet both) are very down to Earth people, and one of the senators even sends his son to my school (Public, which is a rather bold statement to make in DE, considering...).

Republicans down to earth??? :headbang:

Puh-leeze!

When I compare Kerry and Bush I would say that Bush is WAY more down to earth. When I compare Clinton and the other Bush I would say that Bush was also WAY more down to earth.

You musta stolen my stash...

Well, the two democratic senators from my state (I've had the privilage to meet both) are very down to Earth people, and one of the senators even sends his son to my school (Public, which is a rather bold statement to make in DE, considering...).

As I said, it was a generalization, and it is only my opinion.

When I compare Kerry and Bush I would say that Bush is WAY more down to earth. When I compare Clinton and the other Bush I would say that Bush was also WAY more down to earth.
There both are (multi) millionares who have more money they you will most likely ever see, and they both come from the same general area. Bush isn't down to earth at all, unless you mean a bit...slow, then yes.

And if Democrats are more in it for themselves why is it that it's the Democrats who spend more money on welfare, social security, healthcare, etc. whereas Republicans want to privatize it? I mean, c'mon..

Stop freaking out. I'm not old enough to vote yet, so I won't go out, vote for Bush and cause him to win the election by a single vote.

I just find it odd that you find the Republicans to be the more down-to-earth people when they're typically viewed as the wealthier "fatcats."

Surely there are more logical reasons to like Republicans..

I just find it odd that you find the Republicans to be the more down-to-earth people when they're typically viewed as the wealthier "fatcats."

Surely there are more logical reasons to like Republicans..

The tend to support hunting more than democrats.

The tend to support hunting more than democrats.
Newsflash:
Most people don't hunt.

Newsflash:
Most people don't hunt.

Yeah, so?

Yeah, so?
Not exactly something that is good to benchmark people on or most of the people in the United States aren't 'down to earth'.

Hunting is hardly an excuse to be called down-to-earth.

I'd rather have a Democrat who at least tries to protect the environment than a republican who wants to destroy it.

Hunting is hardly an excuse to be called down-to-earth.

I'd rather have a Democrat who at least tries to protect the environment than a republican who wants to destroy it.

Hunting destroys the environment? You've been on too many animal rights websites.

Not exactly something that is good to benchmark people on or most of the people in the United States aren't 'down to earth'.

I still don't trust Democrats as much as Republicans.

Actually the number of trees since industrialization have grown and hunting prevents overpopulation. The deer population has actually grown quite rapidly since people started capitalizing it.

There you go capitalists have the intention of building things and creating wealth from it.

Both Bush and Kerry suck we haven't had a good president since Calvin Coolidge.

Actually the number of trees since industrialization have grown and hunting prevents overpopulation.

where are you getthing this bullshit info from again???

Surely there are more logical reasons to like Republicans..

No there's not.

And there are no illogical reasons to like Republicans, either. :D

There both are (multi) millionares who have more money they you will most likely ever see, and they both come from the same general area. Bush isn't down to earth at all, unless you mean a bit...slow, then yes.
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Didn't you know that Kerry is worth billions? He married into the Heinz fortune. . . .and he claims to be a "man of the people". Lol.

When I compare Kerry and Bush I would say that Bush is WAY more down to earth. When I compare Clinton and the other Bush I would say that Bush was also WAY more down to earth.

I agree. I also think that Bush is more down-to-earth than Kerry. This is saying quite a bit, considering my overall opinion of the man. And I can't make myself like Kerry, no matter how much I want to. However, it's kind of hard not to view Clinton as a "down-to-earth" person. Any person who's had their problems scattered all over the world for public debate doesn't seem to far away from us. "I like Clinton. He has REAL problems." - Chris Rock ^_-

Anyhow, there's still a greasy quality about President Bush. There's a couple of things I can't ignore: opting out of his military service during Vietnam, insisting we wage a war against an idea (albeit a bad idea) we both can and cannot win, and someone who is basing his speeches and public announcements entirely on fear, freedom!America!freedom!freedom!, calls to action, and a national convention that spent much of its time mudslinging.

This election should prove to be very intersting..

Newsflash:
Most people don't hunt.

just a stab, but you're probably not from the midwest.

Well, anyway, I said it before and I'll say it again, all the things I said were just a generalization and my opinion. And I'm independent anyway, so I'm not really on either side.

I'm independent as well; I don't like the concept of "party loyalty."

When I compare Kerry and Bush I would say that Bush is WAY more down to earth. When I compare Clinton and the other Bush I would say that Bush was also WAY more down to earth.
yeah if you define down to earth as stupid and moronic. But Bush has no idea how the average american lives at all ...Bush actally grew up in Connecticut-I see you were duped into Bushs lame attempt at trying to look like a Reaganesque rancher type. Was it the hokey accent that did it for you?

just a stab, but you're probably not from the midwest.
South.

For the most part I am independent, neither party. But if I had to be on one side and vote for the candidate representing that party every presidential election I would probably choose Republican. This is just a generalization, but most Republicans seem a tad bit more down to earth to me. Democrats tend to look like they are really slick and sly, like used-car salesmen, and I just don't trust them as much. It just seems to me like they tend to be in office more for their own benefit than the country's benefit. Anyway, that is just my opinion.


I really feel for you... You poor american people. Let's see you can vote for a right wing party that's all for wat, or you can vote for the other guys, who incidentaly all stand for the same stuff. Hmmmm... a right wing party or a right wing party. This reminds me of those age old commercials for ABC detergent. "Can you see the difference, I can't see the difference."

I'm just happy that at least I can vote for a spectrum of condidates, from the left wing to the right wing.

That's all

P.S. I'm from Saskatchewan... look it up if you don't know where that is.

yeah if you define down to earth as stupid and moronic. But Bush has no idea how the average american lives at all ...Bush actally grew up in Connecticut-I see you were duped into Bushs lame attempt at trying to look like a Reaganesque rancher type. Was it the hokey accent that did it for you?

It has nothing to do with where he is from or what accent he has. I know you are extremely liberal so I'm not even going to attempt to argue with you about President Bush.

Hunting destroys the environment? You've been on too many animal rights websites.
Hunting may not destroy the environment but Bushs policies certainly do

Hunting may not destroy the environment but Bushs policies certainly do

Like I said, I don't like to argue with liberals about politics.

I still don't trust Democrats as much as Republicans.
because you think emotionally not rationally and you allow yourself to be decieved by false surface appearences

When I compare Kerry and Bush I would say that Bush is WAY more down to earth. When I compare Clinton and the other Bush I would say that Bush was also WAY more down to earth.


I'm not even American and I can tell you that statement should be made with more than a strong dose of sarcasm.

Someone mentioned democrats are more "down to earth" (whatever THAT means) than republicans, b/c democrats support welfare, and other social crutches. The democrats support these programs simply because the republicans do not, and untill you fools wake up and understand there is only ONE party, repubs and dems interchagable in this party, then nothing will change. DOwn with the 2 party system! Lets get some libertarians, greens, reforms and independents on the national ticket, with equal funding!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

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Didn't you know that Kerry is worth billions? He married into the Heinz fortune. . . .and he claims to be a "man of the people". Lol.
name one thing Bush has done for the people in 4 years

South.
Where I'm from, saying that most people don't hunt will get you many blank stares and at least fifty people calling you a dumbass.

It's basically our weekend activity around here. At least if you're not fishing. The season Opener is a state holiday.

Like I said, I don't like to argue with liberals about politics.
because youll lose ;)

Where I'm from, saying that most people don't hunt will get you many blank stares and at least fifty people calling you a dumbass.

It's basically our weekend activity around here. At least if you're not fishing. The season Opener is a state holiday.
A very small minority hunts down here, less up north (in the Urban areas), so I guess it evens out.

Hope u don't mind me jumping in on this thread, but I'm from Australia, and i'd like to point out how *odd* many of us find your election system!! See, we have elections coming up too, (a few weeks before yours). We have the Liberals and Labor (like your Republicans and Democrats, respectively - although both a little more left -thank GOD for that!!). But the difference is, we HAVE to vote - theres a coupla hundred dollars find for not voting. What that means, is we have elections decided on Policy direction (if not the specifics). The sense we get over here, is that each of your candidates tries the throw the flashiest parade, and create a general sense of the party, in order to woo voters. For us, its this bizarre situation where the whole election is fought on a concoted personal character!!! Like Bush tries to sound resolute and strong (pity he can't read) - and Kerry keeps pushing is 'Nam record as some kind of political qualification. Ah, you American's are CRAZY!!! ;)

name one thing Bush has done for the people in 4 years

Ok maybe 2

1.) made american's hated by lots of countries that didn't care about them before

2.) Made american's look like the least intelligent people in the world

A very small minority hunts down here, less up north (in the Urban areas), so I guess it evens out.

What's there to hunt anyway?

Hunting is a barbaric thing which serves no purpose, we have plenty of food and dont give me that population control bullshit.

Anyways, The republicans fucked up its the Democrats turn to return the Clinton years and rebuild a surplus. And who ever said most people in the Midwest hunt thats a lie i live in Illinois, and we dont hunt and i have to put up with Conservative bullshit living in Illinois only Republican County. (tho there party here is underfunded which is wonderful :)

What's there to hunt anyway?
In the Urban areas? Uh...

*innocent*

Ok maybe 2

1.) made american's hated by lots of countries that didn't care about them before

2.) Made american's look like the least intelligent people in the world
yeah but he did those things to throw the world into chaos so he can loot for his rich friends

Lets get some libertarians, greens, reforms and independents on the national ticket, with equal funding!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Yes, let's. I'd probably burst from pleasure to see an Independent or Libertarian with equal funding AND footing (enough for the votes given to them to make a difference). I would adore that.

because youll lose ;)

No, because I don't care that much about politics, and because I don't believe in most liberal views. And I'm sure you would be so proud of your self if you beat me in a political debate, you would have beaten a 12-year-old, that would have deserved some kind of award.

Hunting is a barbaric thing which serves no purpose, we have plenty of food and dont give me that population control bullshit.

Anyways, The republicans fucked up its the Democrats turn to return the Clinton years and rebuild a surplus. And who ever said most people in the Midwest hunt thats a lie i live in Illinois, and we dont hunt and i have to put up with Conservative bullshit living in Illinois only Republican County. (tho there party here is underfunded which is wonderful :)

I don't live in illinios, I wouldn't know. I don't wanna live in illinios cause of people like you. In Minnesota, hunting is like a religion. And since Minnesotans are naturally superior to most states... yeah.

Hunting is a barbaric thing which serves no purpose, we have plenty of food and dont give me that population control bullshit.

Anyways, The republicans fucked up its the Democrats turn to return the Clinton years and rebuild a surplus. And who ever said most people in the Midwest hunt thats a lie i live in Illinois, and we dont hunt and i have to put up with Conservative bullshit living in Illinois only Republican County. (tho there party here is underfunded which is wonderful :)

People all over the United States hunt, and you are stupid if you say that people in Illinois don't. Anyway, this thread isn't about hunting so stop talking about it. Anyway, better Conservative b.s. than Liberal b.s.

Lol no your wrong were the Midwest and were supperior lol

Yes, let's. I'd probably burst from pleasure to see an Independent or Libertarian with equal funding AND footing (enough for the votes given to them to make a difference). I would adore that.

Me too.

Wow that was only part of what i said, notice how you didnt respond to the Important part?

close minded conservatives

People all over the United States hunt, and you are stupid if you say that people in Illinois don't. Anyway, this thread isn't about hunting so stop talking about it. Anyway, better Conservative b.s. than Liberal b.s.
How so?

Wow that was only part of what i said, notice how you didnt respond to the Important part?

close minded conservatives

Close minded liberals. The term closed minded is total bullshit. I'm a republican, but just cause I made up my mind, does that makes me some kind of evil close minded bastard? NO People who use that term are only mad cause I happen to disagree.

No, because I don't care that much about politics, and because I don't believe in most liberal views. And I'm sure you would be so proud of your self if you beat me in a political debate, you would have beaten a 12-year-old, that would have deserved some kind of award.
at what age will you start caring about the world? Your almost of draft age you know ;)

Do you know who Alan Keyes is he is running for senate in my state and Barack Obama will win because Alan Keyes embarrsed himself and the Party, AND the Republican party another african to run against an african which shows how scared they are. And Basically this canidate is supposed to run and loose.

People all over the United States hunt, and you are stupid if you say that people in Illinois don't. Anyway, this thread isn't about hunting so stop talking about it. Anyway, better Conservative b.s. than Liberal b.s.
but liberal bs is truer

name one thing Bush has done for the people in 4 years

That whole medical thing he passed for the old folks seems to help them.

Not that I agree with him doing it, but you ask and I deliver.

I personally would love to see more parties in the American system. That way people aren't screwed into either voting for the lesser evil or just throw their votes away.

As for myself, I used to know where I fell on the political spectrum, or rather I thought I knew. Right now, I'm not so sure. I'd say I hover around Libertarian, but maybe not.

Now, about this hunting is barbaric thing. I'm gonna have to say no. No, it's not. As long as a person eats the animal he hunts, there's nothing wrong about it at all. I don't know about you, but I have a hard time ever finding deer meat in the store. Yet it's some pretty good stuff.

I don't like it if someone just hunts animals for the hell of hunting them and then leaves them there to rot, or if they kill it only to post its head on their wall, but it's their right. If I remember correctly, you do need to obtain a licence to hunt. As long as they don't go over their limit, I see no reason to go after them.

Do you know who Alan Keyes is he is running for senate in my state and Barack Obama will win because Alan Keyes embarrsed himself and the Party, AND the Republican party another african to run against an african which shows how scared they are. And Basically this canidate is supposed to run and loose.
Alan Keyes is also hypocrite -He criticized Hillary Clinton for being a carpetbagger and thats exactly what he is too

When I compare Kerry and Bush I would say that Bush is WAY more down to earth. When I compare Clinton and the other Bush I would say that Bush was also WAY more down to earth.
Yeah. Cause Bush talks to God. WAY!!!

Alan Keyes is also hypocrite -He criticized Hillary Clinton for being a carpetbagger and thats exactly what he is too

Buit the only reason he's doing it is too at least attempt to challenge someone who was running unopposed. Hillary went cause everybody knew she'd win.

i could see Bush in his hotel room
"God Please let me win the election please god please"
(personally i am agnostic not atheist, so i belive there is a form of the afterlife)

As to where John Kerry is not praying for a win but going for it.


( I am not meaning to offend any one who practices a religon, when religon is not taken out of contest by extremists it can be a beautiful thing.)

Buit the only reason he's doing it is too at least attempt to challenge someone who was running unopposed. Hillary went cause everybody knew she'd win.
Spin spin spin...

That whole medical thing he passed for the old folks seems to help them.

Not that I agree with him doing it, but you ask and I deliver.

I personally would love to see more parties in the American system. That way people aren't screwed into either voting for the lesser evil or just throw their votes away.

As for myself, I used to know where I fell on the political spectrum, or rather I thought I knew. Right now, I'm not so sure. I'd say I hover around Libertarian, but maybe not.

Now, about this hunting is barbaric thing. I'm gonna have to say no. No, it's not. As long as a person eats the animal he hunts, there's nothing wrong about it at all. I don't know about you, but I have a hard time ever finding deer meat in the store. Yet it's some pretty good stuff.

I don't like it if someone just hunts animals for the hell of hunting them and then leaves them there to rot, or if they kill it only to post its head on their wall, but it's their right. If I remember correctly, you do need to obtain a licence to hunt. As long as they don't go over their limit, I see no reason to go after them.Bushs medicare Deform Bill actaully stole affordable drugs from the hands of seniors and he forbade the govt from being able to negotiate with price gouging drug companies for cheaper prices. He bascially let greedy drug companies write the entire Bill and he made the health insurance crisis much worse as a result to the extent that the senate is trying to minimize some of the damage of it with new bills

Bushs medicare Deform Bill actaully stole affordable drugs from the hands of seniors and he forbade the govt from being able to negotiate with price gouging drug companies for cheaper prices. He bascially let greedy drug companies write the entire Bill and he made the health insurance crisis much worse as a result to the extent that the senate is trying to minimize some of the damage of it with new bills


Hmm. Is that so? Care to link to any evidence of this, or is it what you've heard somewhere? I'm not here to completely deny any truth to your claim, but as specific as that is, surely you have some source for your reasoning.

name one thing Bush has done for the people in 4 years
You didn't even address what I really said. You just tried to shift the topic and change what I said. (Why do so many liberals do that?)

just a stab, but you're probably not from the midwest.

??? Um, I'm from rural Idaho, and I can't make the claim that most people hunt.

??? Um, I'm from rural Idaho, and I can't make the claim that most people hunt.

How many people do you know? Rural Idaho doesn't really have many people at all. If it's rural than they are probably spending a lot of time farming anyway.

What is the purpose of this thread?

Like I said, I don't like to argue with liberals about politics.
Are you afraid we might convince you of our points of view?

For the most part I am independent, neither party. But if I had to be on one side and vote for the candidate representing that party every presidential election I would probably choose Republican. This is just a generalization, but most Republicans seem a tad bit more down to earth to me. Democrats tend to look like they are really slick and sly, like used-car salesmen, and I just don't trust them as much. It just seems to me like they tend to be in office more for their own benefit than the country's benefit. Anyway, that is just my opinion.

I think she is talking about hunting because its a tradition that goes back to the begining of man, and if you for the most part are not for preserving some heritages of man (that millions of Americans love and cherish , if you grow up in the country its a part of life usualy) then you really are in it for yourself not man kind. But I could make the exact same argument for republicans in another instance.
Down to earth is what the republican party is based on but the radical right wing is no better than the radical left.... But I do see what your saying for sure.

Stop freaking out. I'm not old enough to vote yet, so I won't go out, vote for Bush and cause him to win the election by a single vote.
Dude, you shouldn't have posted if you didn't want a response.

That whole medical thing he passed for the old folks seems to help them.

Not that I agree with him doing it, but you ask and I deliver.

I personally would love to see more parties in the American system. That way people aren't screwed into either voting for the lesser evil or just throw their votes away.

As for myself, I used to know where I fell on the political spectrum, or rather I thought I knew. Right now, I'm not so sure. I'd say I hover around Libertarian, but maybe not.

Now, about this hunting is barbaric thing. I'm gonna have to say no. No, it's not. As long as a person eats the animal he hunts, there's nothing wrong about it at all. I don't know about you, but I have a hard time ever finding deer meat in the store. Yet it's some pretty good stuff.

I don't like it if someone just hunts animals for the hell of hunting them and then leaves them there to rot, or if they kill it only to post its head on their wall, but it's their right. If I remember correctly, you do need to obtain a licence to hunt. As long as they don't go over their limit, I see no reason to go after them.
Dude, Dear meat isn't that good. Unless you have different deer than us Virginians do.
Now Bear meat is mmm great.

Dude, Dear meat isn't that good. Unless you have different deer than us Virginians do. Now Bear meat is mmm great.

Then you have to try some western black tail or mulie venison wrapped with bacon....................... hmm.. yum yum tasty nuggets.

And thus another flame fest was prevented by a meat descussion. :p

Hmm. Is that so? Care to link to any evidence of this, or is it what you've heard somewhere? I'm not here to completely deny any truth to your claim, but as specific as that is, surely you have some source for your reasoning.
well you should already be aware of all these corporate giveaways in this Bill meant to destroy medicare since you were the one to bring it up. Why were you praising something you didnt even know any of the details to? Did you get it from Foxnews propaganda?

You didn't even address what I really said. You just tried to shift the topic and change what I said. (Why do so many liberals do that?)
its a little trick they picked up from conservatives along the way

And thus another flame fest was prevented by a meat descussion. :p
LOL

Yeah. Cause Bush talks to God. WAY!!!
Yeah... I gotta say, the fact that ANY (let alone most) of the major decision other people make that affect my life are based on religion scares the crap out of me.

For the most part I am independent, neither party. But if I had to be on one side and vote for the candidate representing that party every presidential election I would probably choose Republican. This is just a generalization, but most Republicans seem a tad bit more down to earth to me. Democrats tend to look like they are really slick and sly, like used-car salesmen, and I just don't trust them as much. It just seems to me like they tend to be in office more for their own benefit than the country's benefit. Anyway, that is just my opinion.

You know that on these "politically charged" boards this is virtually equivilant to flame-bait. But hey, everyone deserves some fun once in a while.

No, because I don't care that much about politics, and because I don't believe in most liberal views. And I'm sure you would be so proud of your self if you beat me in a political debate, you would have beaten a 12-year-old, that would have deserved some kind of award.

Actually, you could probably beat MKULTRA, who argues rather poorly and writes of about the same quality. He also believes that the Department of Defense attacked the Pentagon on September 11th with a missile, for...some...reason.

Bush's Medicare "Deform Bill" actually stole affordable drugs from the hands of seniors and [remove he] forbade the government from being able to negotiate with price-gouging drug companies for cheaper prices. He basically let greedy drug companies write the entire bill and he made the health insurance crisis much worse as a result, to the extent that the Senate is trying to minimize some of its damage with new bills. [And here is where the evidence goes...]

Well you should already be aware of all [of the] corporate giveaways in this bill [which were] meant to destroy Medicare [extra space] since you were the one to bring it up. Why were you praising something you didn't even know any of the details [of]? Did you get it from Fox[ ]News propaganda?

And yet he offers still no proof, or evidence, and instead attacks you, and Fox News. Geez, MKULTRA, did you attend the Rush Limbaugh School of Debate?


What I hate are the people supposedly on the same damn side as myself who argue so poorly that they make their entire "side" look like poorly informed idiots. Please when you do vote, think not of MKULTRA but someone who actually makes sense when considering the true face of liberalism.

Democrats: The government should use its power to help people who need it.
Republicans: The government shouldn't use its power, but let the free market fix all problems.

How that makes Democrats more selfish I have not a clue.

Now for some damn INFORMATION concerning that Medicare bill:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/mar2004/medi-m31.shtml
http://www.democrats.org/specialreports/medicarescandals/passage.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/23/politics/main579645.shtml


Democrats charge the plan is a sellout to drug companies — and pointed out the bill's prime supporters have received $14 million from the health care industry.

http://www.aflcio.org/issuespolitics/socialsecurity/ns07307003.cfm
http://www.fightforthefuture.org/medicarebill.cfm
http://www.freep.com/news/nw/medi22_20040322.htm
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=34593

As one can see, many folks are very unhappy with this bill, which does indeed appear to greatly enrich massive pharmaceutical companies (most profitable iindustry in America!), arguably at the expense of Joe Ordinary Senior.

No, because I don't care that much about politics, and because I don't believe in most liberal views. You'd always vote for the same party and you don't believe in debating with anyone you disagree with. This must be some kind of new defination of "independant" I was previously unaware of.And I'm sure you would be so proud of your self if you beat me in a political debate, you would have beaten a 12-year-old, that would have deserved some kind of award.Cut that out. Seriously. Do you want to be judged for your arguments or your age?

I haven't read the links, however I must applaud that you would answer the question. I'll have to take some time later to read them, maybe I'll learn something.

As to MKULTRA, the general assumption of a bill that is going to cost the government a large sum of money is that those it's named for, in this case, the old folks, will receive benefits as a result.

You challenge the norm, and so it helps to have a reason. Otherwise it's word vs. word. Serves you more to have word vs fact of sort.