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NO FLAMING.

Where does it start, and where does it end? Is Egypt part of the Middle East, or Africa, are Pakistan and Afghanistan part of the Middle East, or Indian Sub-continent, what abou the Caucasus Republics, are they part of the Middle East?

Where does it start, and where does it end? Is Egypt part of the Middle East, or Africa, are Pakistan and Afghanistan part of the Middle East, or Indian Sub-continent, what abou the Caucasus Republics, are they part of the Middle East?

Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Israel, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, etc.

Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Israel, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, etc.
Afghanistan and Pakistan are traditionally not counted as part of the Middle East.
The US is using to refer to the so-called "broader middle east" which includes North and East Africa, the arab peninsula, the gulf region, Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Afghanistan and Pakistan are traditionally not counted as part of the Middle East.
The US is using to refer to the so-called "broader middle east" which includes North and East Africa, the arab peninsula, the gulf region, Pakistan and Afghanistan.

I know. I was just telling him what I considered the Middle East to clarify things.

As far as I havebeen able to dtermine, the Middle East is, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar, the UAE, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, and the Sinai. Pakistan is part of the Indian Sub-continent, and Afghanistan is in with the countries like Uzbekistan.

As far as I havebeen able to dtermine, the Middle East is, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar, the UAE, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, and the Sinai. Pakistan is part of the Indian Sub-continent, and Afghanistan is in with the countries like Uzbekistan.

Actually I was taught that Pakistan, India, and Afghanistan were part of central Asia.....

As far as I havebeen able to dtermine, the Middle East is, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar, the UAE, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, and the Sinai. Pakistan is part of the Indian Sub-continent, and Afghanistan is in with the countries like Uzbekistan.

Okay. But where do you stand on the issue?

Okay. But where do you stand on the issue?

Oh there's a poll, I didn't see that in my initial post, I thought you just posted Middle East, so I posted something about it. I suppose I'm with other, since I think we should encourage peace, but not no matter the cost, we shouldn't support one group over another, and we shouldn't just pull out, and not only becuase we have interests in the area.

As far as I havebeen able to dtermine, the Middle East is, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar, the UAE, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, and the Sinai. Pakistan is part of the Indian Sub-continent, and Afghanistan is in with the countries like Uzbekistan.
There is not just one definition for it: there are several. Especially when we talk about defining the ends of this region.
Afghanistan and Pakistan have actually a lot in common. Southern Afghanistan and the tribal areas in Pakistan are both inhabited by Paschtu tribe (sp?) Northern Afghanistan however is inhabitated by Tadzik (sp?) and Usbeks and thus related to central Asia. There are also other groups which can´t be put into any category.

There is not just one definition for it: there are several. Especially when we talk about defining the ends of this region.
Afghanistan and Pakistan have actually a lot in common. Southern Afghanistan and the tribal areas in Pakistan are both inhabited by Paschtu tribe (sp?) Northern Afghanistan however is inhabitated by Tadzik (sp?) and Usbeks and thus related to central Asia. There are also other groups which can´t be put into any category.

Okay, that's enough! This is not a geography thread. Please stop.

Um in your poll one question.

Who the fuck is We?


Arrogant and self centred, your american right?

Um in your poll one question.

Who the fuck is We?


Arrogant and self centred, your american right?

Or maybe we refers to Western Civilization, or maybe it refers to anyone not in the Middle East, and you have the cajones to call him arrogant and self-centered.

The West should sit tight on Iran, Syria, and Lebanon. Once democratic revolutions are in full swing there, a multinational force should come in to aid those peoples.


As for Israel and Palestine, I propose any of the following:

Get Ariel Sharon out of office (and I'd like to see Abbas as Palestinian PM again, but that might not work), and hope that a moderate (like Barak) comes to power. Arafat should be stripped of all political power so that he's not a thorn in any1's side.
While I like Sharon's pullout, it came a little to late - I'd also like Israel at some point to tear down that wall, as well as the Palestinians round up terrorists in West Bank and Gaza. Then Israel could cede some of its land and we have an Israel and a Palestine. Or in the extreme case, merge the two countries to create Israel-Palestine/Palestine-Israel

Jeruselem could also be a soveregin city-state, seperate from either country.


OR we could do it the G-Gundam way (this is the idea of a Jewish friend of mine who hates Sharon): :D

We literally tear Israel from the foundation of the earth and set it in orbit like the Neo-Japan colony in G Gundam. While we're at it we could give them a mobile fighter, how about Gundam Macabee? It's special attack could be "Throwing Stars of David"

And the Palestinians could have "Palestinian Freedom Fighter Gundam" It's (only) special attack could be "self-destruct"

Or maybe we refers to Western Civilization, or maybe it refers to anyone not in the Middle East, and you have the cajones to call him arrogant and self-centered.



No being self centred and arrogant is assuming to speak for everyone like he did. My point is there is no fucking we. I merely asked him a question about his nationality although really the answer to that question is an axiom.

So where as my post about him being those stands, your attempt to reverse it onto myself being arrogant fails miserable. Please try again.


KthxBye.


Ps, let me guess your american too?

The West should sit tight on Iran, Syria, and Lebanon. Once democratic revolutions are in full swing there, a multinational force should come in to aid those peoples.



Iran allready is a democratic country, Please dont spout mindless propaganda.

Iran allready is a democratic country, Please dont spout mindless propaganda.
Sry . . . I was under the impression it was a theocracy.

yeah i was under the impression an iranian revolution has been imminent for some time.

Sry . . . I was under the impression it was a theocracy.

Being a theocractic republic, does not mean the country is not democratic.

OR we could do it the G-Gundam way (this is the idea of a Jewish friend of mine who hates Sharon): :D

We literally tear Israel from the foundation of the earth and set it in orbit like the Neo-Japan colony in G Gundam. While we're at it we could give them a mobile fighter, how about Gundam Macabee? It's special attack could be "Throwing Stars of David"

And the Palestinians could have "Palestinian Freedom Fighter Gundam" It's (only) special attack could be "self-destruct"

That's pratically the only post that has ever made me laugh on these forums.

As for me, I have no opinion on this. It's like beating a dead horse.

No being self centred and arrogant is assuming to speak for everyone like he did. My point is there is no fucking we. I merely asked him a question about his nationality although really the answer to that question is an axiom.

So where as my post about him being those stands, your attempt to reverse it onto myself being arrogant fails miserable. Please try again.


KthxBye.


Ps, let me guess your american too?

He didn't assume to speak for everyone, he gave you a large number of options, including an open-ended one, and asked you what you thought, how the hell is that speaking for everyone. Speaking for everyone would be to give only one option, and say that is the truth.

He didn't assume to speak for everyone, he gave you a large number of options, including an open-ended one, and asked you what you thought, how the hell is that speaking for everyone. Speaking for everyone would be to give only one option, and say that is the truth.


We should do this.
We should do that.

He collectively grouped everyone. By calling everyone we, he presumed they all to be the same as him, the same grouping as him.

Care to try again.

Oh and since you didn't answer, my question about you must have been right, aye?

Kthxbye

We should do this.
We should do that.

He collectively grouped everyone. By calling everyone we, he presumed they all to be the same as him, the same grouping as him.

Care to try again.

Oh and since you didn't answer, my question about you must have been right, aye?

Kthxbye

Ok, I'll lay this out for you nice and easy. He is asking what you think, the Western world/everyone not in the Middle East, should do about the Middle East. Now, he has to use a collective pronoun, but he can't use you, becuase he is not in the middle east, therefore he is a part of the group, so the only option left is we. Unless you're a citizen of a middle eastern country, then you are part of us (everyone not in the middle east), so therefore, in this regard, you ARE in the same grouping as him, a person not currently in the Middle East. If you are in the Middle East, then he is not talking to you, he's talking to everyone outside of the Middle East (which includes him) as a group, and since he is talking to them, and part of it, he has to use "we", get it?

And yes, I'm an American, I didn't think I had to answer since you've somehow created an axiom that decides immediately who is American.

I'm not sure who "we" is in the question, so I haven't answered the poll.

I personally think that the USA could be the biggest influence for peace between Israel and Palastine by using its huge influence on Israel to stop Israel's increasingly right-wing antogonistic policies against the Palastinians (eg the wall, assinations etc). The Americans could threaten to halt the huge funding it gives to Israel if Israel didn't become more constructive in the peace process.
Of course, Palastine also needs to crack down far more harshly on terrorist groups in its territory - but this is hard, as Israel has destroyed much of the Palastinian infrastructure, including police stations, and restricts the operations of the Palastinian security services.

Um in your poll one question.

Who the fuck is We?


Arrogant and self centred, your american right?

By 'we' I meant the world in general. I'd appreciate it if you cut the flaming.

Ok, I'll lay this out for you nice and easy. He is asking what you think, the Western world/everyone not in the Middle East, should do about the Middle East. Now, he has to use a collective pronoun, but he can't use you, becuase he is not in the middle east, therefore he is a part of the group, so the only option left is we. Unless you're a citizen of a middle eastern country, then you are part of us (everyone not in the middle east), so therefore, in this regard, you ARE in the same grouping as him, a person not currently in the Middle East. If you are in the Middle East, then he is not talking to you, he's talking to everyone outside of the Middle East (which includes him) as a group, and since he is talking to them, and part of it, he has to use "we", get it?

And yes, I'm an American, I didn't think I had to answer since you've somehow created an axiom that decides immediately who is American.

Thanks, The Sword and Shield.

I don't appreciate being left out in all the definitions of "we"
I live in the Middle East "Israel." Does that mean I don't have an opinion or that I would be biased? actually i voted in the "anything for peace" category.
I have a comment for all those who think that the wall is a bad thing.
Since the wall was built suicide bombers get caught 97% of the time!!! 19/20 get caught. Before Be'er Sheba the last attack was in March.

I don't appreciate being left out in all the definitions of "we"

Sorry, I didn't mean to exclude anyone. I just wanted to see what peoples' perspective on the Middle East crisis was.

I don't appreciate being left out in all the definitions of "we"
I live in the Middle East "Israel." Does that mean I don't have an opinion or that I would be biased? actually i voted in the "anything for peace" category.
I have a comment for all those who think that the wall is a bad thing.
Since the wall was built suicide bombers get caught 97% of the time!!! 19/20 get caught. Before Be'er Sheba the last attack was in March.

Sorry about that, I was just using one example of how using the word "we" was not arrogant and self-centered. For all I know the word "we" implies all of humanity, but I didn't want to switch definitions in the middle, lest someone spot a red herring. My definitions do not reflect the actual term implied, as I was not the creator of the thread.

By 'we' I meant the world in general. I'd appreciate it if you cut the flaming.
Of course, I hate flaming also... but he does have a point. If "we" is the world in general, why does the poll have options such as:

"We should wash our hands of the Middle East; we're not the world's policeman, after all

Destroy all the radical Muslims who hate us and install pro-US governments in those countries"

?

That leads me to draw the conclusion that "we" is referring to USA,

.... and you have the cajones.....Girls love to have cajones...