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*these type of conditions may be a future indicator of the type of thought- control concentration camps that all dissenters of republican nazism face if the Bush administarion is allowed to prevail and passes more Patriot Act crimes against our formerly free and open society. Already the mainstream media has been subverted. Now Bush is taking his war to the American people

AMY GOODMAN: Hundreds of people protested the conditions under which those arrested are being held before going to court, saying the site is contaminated with oil and asbestos. Pier 57, where they are being held, is a three-story block-long pier that has been converted to a holding pen.

JUAN GONZALEZ: Yesterday morning we received a call from one of the protesters being held at pier 57 who had smuggled a phone inside. Detainees passed the phone to each other and described the conditions of the holding facility. Democracy Now! producer Mike Burke took the call and spoke with the detained protesters. Listen closely. After the first caller passes the phone, you can hear a prisoner in the background calling out for help and medical assistance.

EMILY: My name is Emily. I was arrested yesterday off of Union Square East, on East 15th Street in between Union Square East and Irvine. [sic] I was on the sidewalk, and I was never told that I would be arrested. I was just on the sidewalk. And no one ever read me my rights. They just took us all away. They trapped us and put us all into buses. We’ve been in jail for over 13 hours right now. In our first nine hours, the only food we received was an apple. In our first four hours here we weren't allowed to go to the bathroom or get water. So none of us were read our rights; we haven't been able to talk to any lawyers. A lot of people here that were arrested without even protesting, they were -- just happened to be on the sidewalk where everyone was on that block -- was arrested. And there are chemical warning signs all over this place that we’re being held. A lot of people are forming rashes on their skin from the floor -- from whatever it is that is on it. And I’m going to pass this on to someone else who has another story.

VOICE SHOUTING IN THE BACKGROUND: I need medical attention!

ALTHEA: My name is Althea and I was -- am a New York City public school teacher. I was out on Union Square on 16th Street between Irving and Union Square just walking, trying to enjoy the day, and I got swept up in a demonstration. I wasn't a part of the demonstration and I was arrested. I was arrested about 8:00 p.m., handcuffed and we’ve been sitting in the Chelsea piers in very crowded conditions. Right now some people are experiencing toxic reaction to the environment, itching in their skin, and we’re very crowded. We have been given water and a sandwich, but they have not been giving us any information, and we’ve just been sitting here really penned in.

MIKE BURKE: Have you been able to communicate to any of your family or friends about your situation?

ALTHEA: No, I haven't. I have been asking my arresting officer when can I make a phone call? And no one knows where I am. Basically I feel like I’ve been ‘disappeared.’ Nobody knows in my family that I have been arrested. And I was out by myself shopping; so, you know, there's no one to -- they haven't allowed me to contact anyone.

VEEPA MAJAMUTAR: Hi. This is Veepa Majamutar. I'm calling also from the arresting facility. Basically I was just a stand-by and I was walking on the sidewalk and there was a march going on. They cordoned off the whole street and just arrested all of us. When I tried to explain that I was just walking by -- I had a receipt from a store that I had bought something from on that street. They did not pay any attention. And here we are sitting in this almost a human-rights abuse conditions. So many of us are cold. We are freezing. Some of us need medical attention; but nobody's telling us what to do. Nobody's listening to us. Nobody’s giving us any timeline, any idea of when we might get out. They’ve always been saying ‘Next two hours. Two hours.’ It's been more than 12 hours now.

MIKE BURKE: Could you describe what you were doing just before you were arrested?

VEEPA MAJAMUTAR: What was I doing?

MIKE BURKE: Yes.

VEEPA MAJAMUTAR: Basically I was just – I was walking on the sidewalk. I didn't even know that there were police and the march was going on. And all of a sudden the street basically just gets cordoned off and we cannot move. So before I was arrested I was just standing still because that's all we could really do. And then they just started putting handcuffs on people. They didn't tell us, please leave otherwise we’ll arrest you. They gave us no warning. They gave us no chance to leave. They just basically closed off the street, put handcuffs, and took us. They did not listen to anybody. They did not listen to even pure reason. They just put us off. We thought we would basically get out in a couple of hours if we had done nothing. But here we are 12 hours later and, basically, almost ridicule us. They ridicule us if we start to complain. And the condition here are atrocious. You have to see them to believe it. It's dirty. It’s smelly. It’s filthy. We don’t have a blanket. We don't have something to sit on. We are sitting on the floor. There's dirt on the floor. There’s oil on the floor. There’s chemicals around us. It's smelling bad. I could go on and on. It’s atrocious.

MIKE BURKE: Could you describe what kind of room you are in? It sounds like there are many, many people in the same room.

VEEPA MAJAMUTAR: We are like a hundred – a hundred people in a very small room. It's surrounded by fence and we are like -- it's almost like rats in a hole. I mean, there's nothing, there is just a floor which is very dirty, which is a lot of oil and all dust in it, I mean, all our clothes are dirty our hands are ditty. We had to eat an apple with our extremely dirty hands because we have no tissue paper, nothing to clean our hands with. We are just basically packed. Nobody can sit down. They don't even give us a plastic bag to sit on. They don't even give anything to lie down on. We just have to lie on the hard floor, basically. And there is not enough space for everybody to lie down because we have to sit so close together. It's cramped. And we were freezing before and people were actually coughing, they were getting cold and nobody paid any attention, nobody gave them even a blanket nobody gave them even a plastic bag to cover themselves with.

JANET: My name’s Janet and I was arrested last night. I was actually on the sidewalk. We were having a party in the street, we were dancing a little bit and then the cops started to pen us in, so we moved onto the sidewalk and there was a lot of us crammed into a small space. They did not give us an order of dispersal. Instead, they just smashed us all together; and they started -- at first they were picking people out and smashing their heads on the sidewalks. I couldn't really get a good look of that because I was in the back being like crammed between a wall and a bunch of people. Then they slowly, slowly, slowly broke us off and put us on the buses. We were on the buses for a really long time. Now we are in a holding cell. It's been probably more than 12 hours. It's been about 13 hours. They just told me when I got medical attention that there's -- they arrested 1100 people last night and we’re all still in here. It's totally nasty. The floor is greasy. There are signs everywhere saying we should be wearing masks and goggles; and I have this really bad rash on my hand that's getting worse and worse. It feels like I just stuck my hand in an oven, it burns so bad, and my arms are tingling and my other hand is getting it, too. I spent a really long time trying to let them get me out of here so I could at least wash my hands and put some ice on it. Finally my arresting officer came and she took me over there and there's a doctor and a nurse in this office and they didn't have a sink for me to wash my hands; but they let me pour saline solution over my hand into a garbage can and then rub some hand-sanitizer on my hands. My hands are so black and dirty from how gross it is in here that I couldn't even get them clean. Then they gave me a wet tissue to put on it. Basically they couldn't really do anything for me. They told me to put some hydrocortisone cream on it, which isn't very helpful because I’m in here. And now I am just sitting back in a cell with everybody else. They’re not really telling us what's going on. It seems like we’re going to be in here for a really long time.

AMY GOODMAN: Phone calls from jail. Voices of protesters detained inside pier 57. New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg has denied the city's operating what some have called Guantanamo on the Hudson, defended the use of the pier garage, saying, quote, it's not supposed to be Club Med. [partial transcript]
www.democracynow.org

"Just walking by." Right.

The home of democracy my arse!
Are the US taking lesson from some of the regimes they put in power or have supported like Chillie?
So now you can't even exercise your right to peaceful protest in the US. What a great country, what a joke! They are in a rush to fill the dictatorial vacuum left by the USSR.
So now not only will the CIA and FBI invade your privacy for being a member of the communist party but they will do the same if you actively protest against the party in power. Should they not be wearing black uniforms with silver trim and red white and black arm bands at this point?

"Just walking by." Right.
If Bush gets to pass his expanded version of a Patriot Act part 2 it will contain provisions for pre-emptive detention

"Just walking by." Right.
No the US authorities have never mistakenly arrested anyone in the past have they?
And it is such a heinous crime to shout slogans at the president. I forgot he was so delicate.

If Bush gets to pass his expanded version of a Patriot Act part 2 it will contain provisions for pre-emptive detention
Pre emptive detention, I love that! this child will grow up to oppose the democrats and or republicans, therefore we will detain it for the good of the state. The US should see if they can lease Siberia from the Russians.
What a very scary country the US is turning into.

The home of democracy my arse!
Are the US taking lesson from some of the regimes they put in power or have supported like Chillie?
So now you can't even exercise your right to peaceful protest in the US. What a great country, what a joke! They are in a rush to fill the dictatorial vacuum left by the USSR.
So now not only will the CIA and FBI invade your privacy for being a member of the communist party but they will do the same if you actively protest against the party in power. Should they not be wearing black uniforms with silver trim and red white and black arm bands at this point?
I totally agree--with this criminal out of control regime in power now this is the rise of the fourth reich and the resurrection of Adolf Hitler as an American. The dreams of Bushs grandfather and nazi worshipper Prescott Bush are now being fulfilled--this is something they wanted to do for a long time

Pre emptive detention, I love that! this child will grow up to oppose the democrats and or republicans, therefore we will detain it for the good of the state. The US should see if they can lease Siberia from the Russians.
What a very scary country the US is turning into.
And if the terrorist in the White House slimes his way into another term on a tidal wave of smear and fearmongering then he will become even bolder in his war against American Democracy

And if the terrorist in the White House slimes his way into another term on a tidal wave of smear and fearmongering then he will become even bolder in his war against American Democracy
You see a true democracy is a frightening thing for the dictatorial types like Bush and Tony Bliar, as the power lies with the people. The trick then becomes restricting who can vote or take office, then narrowing the political spectrum to such a point where all views are just versions of your own. Then making any form of protest illegal unless they are government organised etc So to date Bush is moving pretty well along this path.

Sorry, MKULTRA, but you're overlooking two very important things:

1)America isn't a democracy (thank God)

2)Our Founding Fathers hated democracy. They called it the worst form of government. Read The Federalist Papers for more details.

Sorry, MKULTRA, but you're overlooking two very important things:

1)America isn't a democracy (thank God)

2)Our Founding Fathers hated democracy. They called it the worst form of government. Read The Federalist Papers for more details.

MKULTRA's response, I bet:

1) I know, it's a dictatorship

2) Obviously Bush is trying to corrupt the minds of our children...

Anyway RB, can I have a link to the Federalist Papers? And maybe the Communist Manifesto...

EMILY: My name is Emily.

LOL

Espousing Freedom and Democracy in the world while trampling on it in the USA. Sounds like GW Bush!

2)Our Founding Fathers hated democracy. They called it the worst form of government. Read The Federalist Papers for more details.

it should probably be noted that the federalist papers were written by like 3 of the founding fathers, arguing against the positions of other founding fathers. in other words, they weren't exactly a monolithic group (hamilton, who wrote most of the federalist papers, was something of a monarchist). and in many important respects the anti-federalists were closer to being right than the federalists were.

Veepa Majamuter? Althea? What kind of names are those? Hasn't anyone realized that this is most liekly a piece of extreme-leftist propaganda or something?

I have no political prefernce, but I hate Liberals who puke up stupid debates and crap about how bad kour government is.

Protesters being held in horrible, life threatening conditions? Being gassed? No one in our government can do that and no be found out and punished.

Veepa Majamuter? Althea? What kind of names are those? Hasn't anyone realized that this is most liekly a piece of extreme-leftist propaganda or something?

I have no political prefernce, but I hate Liberals who puke up stupid debates and crap about how bad kour government is.

Protesters being held in horrible, life threatening conditions? Being gassed? No one in our government can do that and no be found out and punished.
WTF are those damn Greeks and A-rabs doing in the United States! They should be shot and removed from the country!

You sir, are an idiot. I have no hatred towards Greeks or Arabs, HOWEVER last time I checked not many people had the name Veepa.

it should probably be noted that the federalist papers were written by like 3 of the founding fathers, arguing against the positions of other founding fathers. in other words, they weren't exactly a monolithic group (hamilton, who wrote most of the federalist papers, was something of a monarchist). and in many important respects the anti-federalists were closer to being right than the federalists were.

True enough, but the Founding Fathers were all united in their hatred of democracy. That's why they gave us a republic.

Ya know Red Arrow, if people like this keep crying wolf like this, no one's going to believe you if what you keep trying to tell us is going on ever really does come to pass.

If the NYPD every really did start holding and chemically poisoning "protesters" in "Abu Ghraib-like torture cell", you wouldn't be able to post this cry wolf story about it. Save your time for real stuff.

JUAN GONZALEZ: Yesterday morning we received a call from one of the protesters being held at pier 57 who had smuggled a phone inside. Detainees passed the phone to each other and described the conditions of the holding facility.
MIKE BURKE: Have you been able to communicate to any of your family or friends about your situation?

ALTHEA: No, I haven't. I have been asking my arresting officer when can I make a phone call? And no one knows where I am. Basically I feel like I’ve been ‘disappeared.’ Nobody knows in my family that I have been arrested. And I was out by myself shopping; so, you know, there's no one to -- they haven't allowed me to contact anyone.

Something's a bit fishy here.

"Just walking by." Right.
sadly its more than likely true, look up the half dissent by the judge who ruled it was constitutional when it was brought to court at the DNC, he agreed it was as bad if not worse than a concentration camp

sounds like bullshit to me. Considering I was watching one of the illegal protests from a resturant in manhattan and never noticed any of these massive illegal sweeps of the entire block.

There were about 15-30 protestors on the block. The cops came and started chasing them away telling them to disperse. After about 10 minutes everyone left and the cops just arrested like 5 people who were cursing at the cops and refusing to leave.

Yeah those are alot of unjust sweeps oh no my rights are being violated /sarcasm

Actually later on the cops were letting a small group of protestors walk down the block holding anti bush signs because they weren't stopping traffic they werent clogging the streets and they werent trying to antagonize anyone.

I might note that the Federalist party disintegrated fairly quickly. You may thank certain of our founding fathers, such as Jefferson, for this. The fundamentally elected nature of public offices - generally described as democratic or very specifically referred to as a democratic republic (as opposed to, say, a republic headed by a Senate that personally elects all new Senators by vote of the senate) which is and always has come down to direct elections of representatives or election of intermediaries who in turn select additional officials (i.e., electoral college, appointed judges, and in older times, senators by state legislatures.)

The United States of America was designed and founded as a democratic country, even if not as a direct democracy. Use of deceptive and partial terminology in debate is a low tactic indeed.

On the topic of the thread, I am highly disappointed at the continual abuse of power by the current government in power in the US; others are very frightened, and for good reason.

If it talks like a facist, and acts like a facist, be worried.

Ya know Red Arrow, if people like this keep crying wolf like this, no one's going to believe you if what you keep trying to tell us is going on ever really does come to pass.

If the NYPD every really did start holding and chemically poisoning "protesters" in "Abu Ghraib-like torture cell", you wouldn't be able to post this cry wolf story about it. Save your time for real stuff.

Actually they can get away with it due to the large number of people like you who won't belive it no matter what.

"Just walking by." Right.

Amazing! A "jail" of folks who didn't do anything. Yeah, right.

Still, if the story's true, an injustice certainly has been committed. Still, it's hard to tell what's true from the left and what's a bunch of crap.

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO BRUTUALITY

Because the NYPD needs to save at least some room for real crimmals, as of now arrested protesters are being held at the Port Authority Bus Terminal.

Also, there is NO right to use a phone when you are arrested. The right to remain silent is the only right you have until questioning, when you can get a laywer to meet with you before the questioning start.

You see a true democracy is a frightening thing for the dictatorial types like Bush and Tony Bliar, as the power lies with the people. The trick then becomes restricting who can vote or take office, then narrowing the political spectrum to such a point where all views are just versions of your own. Then making any form of protest illegal unless they are government organised etc So to date Bush is moving pretty well along this path.
correct--also Bush is trying to take peoples rights to vote away as well with Diebolt touch screen hacking of our elections

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO BRUTUALITY

Because the NYPD needs to save at least some room for real crimmals, as of now arrested protesters are being held at the Port Authority Bus Terminal.

Also, there is NO right to use a phone when you are arrested. The right to remain silent is the only right you have until questioning, when you can get a laywer to meet with you before the questioning start.

Are you of the impression that your idiot rantings will be more impressive if you type really really big letters? Go fall in a hole please.

B.T.W. you have just as much as stated that protestors are not real criminals. Therefor they should never have been arrested.

BTW: What does MKULTRA stand for anyway? I gather that the TRA stands for 'The Red Arrow' but what about the rest of it?

Edit: Can I guess that the 'L' is for liberal or left.

B.T.W. you have just as much as stated that protestors are not real criminals. Therefor they should never have been arrested.

Wow. Hope you didn't hurt yourself setting up that straw man.

I totally agree--with this criminal out of control regime in power now this is the rise of the fourth reich and the resurrection of Adolf Hitler as an American. The dreams of Bushs grandfather and nazi worshipper Prescott Bush are now being fulfilled--this is something they wanted to do for a long time


meh...more liberal rubbish.

4th Rech?? lol get real. ressurection of Adolf Hiter?? get a life. Calling Conservatives and Republicans is the most dumb and illogical statement I've heard.

as for the "reports" more rubbish

Wow. Hope you didn't hurt yourself setting up that straw man.

Not at all. :) Thank you for your concern.

But the original poster (puppet of yours? ;) ) said that the N.Y.P.D. has moved the protestors into the Port Authority Bus Terminal to make room for "real crimmals", which seems to admit quite clearly that the protestors are not "real crimmals".

So it escapes me how my pointing this out qualifies as setting up a straw man... unless your definition of a "straw man" is a position that you somehow disapprove of but cannot or do not wish to bother arguing against.

meh...more liberal rubbish.

4th Rech?? lol get real. ressurection of Adolf Hiter?? get a life. Calling Conservatives and Republicans is the most dumb and illogical statement I've heard.

as for the "reports" more rubbish

You haven't heard much have you? Calling Bush a good leader, a patriot, even a true American is one Hell of a lot dumber.

B.T.W. did you bring your screen name over from A.O.L.? Looks like something an A.O.L. user would use.

BTW: What does MKULTRA stand for anyway? I gather that the TRA stands for 'The Red Arrow' but what about the rest of it?

Edit: Can I guess that the 'L' is for liberal or left.

Nope. TRA has admited on several occasions the his latest internym comes from his belief in the nutso conspiracy theory that the ULTRA code breaking project of WWII UK intelligence was used as a mind control device by the CIA.

All of his posts should be examined in this light.

Actually they can get away with it due to the large number of people like you who won't belive it no matter what.

What are "they" and exactly waht are "they" "getting away with"?


Every time people like TRA, Texstambul, and those sorts of conspiracy theorists claim that "they" are doing something bad that the discerning mind can see is not at all happening, they are crying wolf. Cry wolf often enough, and somethiong really bad (the internment of the Japanese) will be ignored as just another stupid conspiracy theory.

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO BRUTUALITY

Because the NYPD needs to save at least some room for real crimmals, as of now arrested protesters are being held at the Port Authority Bus Terminal.

Also, there is NO right to use a phone when you are arrested. The right to remain silent is the only right you have until questioning, when you can get a laywer to meet with you before the questioning start.
You have to be read your rights before you can be arrested, that is the law. And the 5th amendment protects you from self incrimination.

You have to be read your rights before you can be arrested, that is the law. And the 5th amendment protects you from self incrimination.
No, not really, you have to be read your rights if they wish to use your statements in a court of law...

BTW: What does MKULTRA stand for anyway? I gather that the TRA stands for 'The Red Arrow' but what about the rest of it?

Edit: Can I guess that the 'L' is for liberal or left.
MKULTRA was the codename for a number of government sponsored mind control experiements. TRA, or The Red Arrow, was the previous name of the poster, and it's just coincidence that its in the new name.

No, not really, you have to be read your rights if they wish to use your statements in a court of law...
Therefore, if you are detained without being read your rights, there is no chance of them prosecuting you, so it is both pointless and illegal.

Does it strike no one as odd that every single one of these protesters whose plea for help is printed here not only is very articulate, but all have the identical style of speech?

And does it strike no one else as odd that if they were to be left in such "Abu_Ghraib style" conditions, that the police would not think to confiscate cell phones? (When you are arrested, they catalog and confiscate your belongings as a matter of course.)

Please, people, use some sense.

MKULTRA was the codename for a number of government sponsored mind control experiements. TRA, or The Red Arrow, was the previous name of the poster, and it's just coincidence that its in the new name.

I'll note that TRA/MKULTRA has confirmed on a number of occassions in the past that he believes the mkultra code breaking machine of WWII is the same MKULTRA experement conducted by the CIA, and that it is currently being used as a CIA mind control device.

You haven't heard much have you? Calling Bush a good leader, a patriot, even a true American is one Hell of a lot dumber.

B.T.W. did you bring your screen name over from A.O.L.? Looks like something an A.O.L. user would use.

state number 1: Though I side with Bush, he isn't the best leader so Im not calling him a good leader; he's mediocre, I think he's passionate bout his country and keeping the citizens safe, and everuone is a true America cause we're all Americans. I'm a true american, you're a true american, kerry is a true american, bush is a true american.

state number 2: no i did not pull my screename from AOL though I do have AOL cause thats why my parents choose to have. I never use my aol name for forums and message boards. I dont use this name either, I guess they used my nation state name. I didn tknow what to put so a typed YUor m0m.

Therefore, if you are detained without being read your rights, there is no chance of them prosecuting you, so it is both pointless and illegal.

No, they simply cannot use any statements made by you subsequent to them declaring you arrested and prior to them reading you your rights, and if you ask for a lawyer, they cannot question you until your lawyer arrives. This is not to say they don't do those things and get away with them all the time - there is no real guarantee that the police will not be criminals, and plenty of traditions that protect those that are.

First of all, I am an extremist liberal, so I completely sympathize with the message of this. Also, I only read a few posts, so forgive me if my post has been pre-emptively disproven.

This reeks of propaganda. I will not belive this unless I have several trustworthy sources providing evidence of these rashes, and of the building. But if it is, then goodbye Bush.

Therefore, if you are detained without being read your rights, there is no chance of them prosecuting you, so it is both pointless and illegal.
Well, you can do it, just not as easily.

"And if someone came for you one night
And dragged you away...
Do you really think your neighbors would even care?"

--Jello Biafra.

Watch carefully, kids. Believe it or not, this could well be your world, soon.

You may feel safe now, as white Christian straight boys... but you never know what'll turn up.

Where's the proof?

http://cbsnewyork.com/topstories/topstoriesny_story_245163526.html

There's nothing about chemical poisoning in that article. All I see is a practical way to deal with an influx in arrests.

*these type of conditions may be a future indicator of the type of thought- control concentration camps that all dissenters of republican nazism face if the Bush administarion is allowed to prevail and passes more Patriot Act crimes against our formerly free and open society. Already the mainstream media has been subverted. Now Bush is taking his war to the American people

AMY GOODMAN: Hundreds of people protested the conditions under which those arrested are being held before going to court, saying the site is contaminated with oil and asbestos. Pier 57, where they are being held, is a three-story block-long pier that has been converted to a holding pen.

JUAN GONZALEZ: Yesterday morning we received a call from one of the protesters being held at pier 57 who had smuggled a phone inside. Detainees passed the phone to each other and described the conditions of the holding facility. Democracy Now! producer Mike Burke took the call and spoke with the detained protesters. Listen closely. After the first caller passes the phone, you can hear a prisoner in the background calling out for help and medical assistance.

EMILY: My name is Emily. I was arrested yesterday off of Union Square East, on East 15th Street in between Union Square East and Irvine. [sic] I was on the sidewalk, and I was never told that I would be arrested. I was just on the sidewalk. And no one ever read me my rights. They just took us all away. They trapped us and put us all into buses. We’ve been in jail for over 13 hours right now. In our first nine hours, the only food we received was an apple. In our first four hours here we weren't allowed to go to the bathroom or get water. So none of us were read our rights; we haven't been able to talk to any lawyers. A lot of people here that were arrested without even protesting, they were -- just happened to be on the sidewalk where everyone was on that block -- was arrested. And there are chemical warning signs all over this place that we’re being held. A lot of people are forming rashes on their skin from the floor -- from whatever it is that is on it. And I’m going to pass this on to someone else who has another story.

VOICE SHOUTING IN THE BACKGROUND: I need medical attention!

ALTHEA: My name is Althea and I was -- am a New York City public school teacher. I was out on Union Square on 16th Street between Irving and Union Square just walking, trying to enjoy the day, and I got swept up in a demonstration. I wasn't a part of the demonstration and I was arrested. I was arrested about 8:00 p.m., handcuffed and we’ve been sitting in the Chelsea piers in very crowded conditions. Right now some people are experiencing toxic reaction to the environment, itching in their skin, and we’re very crowded. We have been given water and a sandwich, but they have not been giving us any information, and we’ve just been sitting here really penned in.

MIKE BURKE: Have you been able to communicate to any of your family or friends about your situation?

ALTHEA: No, I haven't. I have been asking my arresting officer when can I make a phone call? And no one knows where I am. Basically I feel like I’ve been ‘disappeared.’ Nobody knows in my family that I have been arrested. And I was out by myself shopping; so, you know, there's no one to -- they haven't allowed me to contact anyone.

VEEPA MAJAMUTAR: Hi. This is Veepa Majamutar. I'm calling also from the arresting facility. Basically I was just a stand-by and I was walking on the sidewalk and there was a march going on. They cordoned off the whole street and just arrested all of us. When I tried to explain that I was just walking by -- I had a receipt from a store that I had bought something from on that street. They did not pay any attention. And here we are sitting in this almost a human-rights abuse conditions. So many of us are cold. We are freezing. Some of us need medical attention; but nobody's telling us what to do. Nobody's listening to us. Nobody’s giving us any timeline, any idea of when we might get out. They’ve always been saying ‘Next two hours. Two hours.’ It's been more than 12 hours now.

MIKE BURKE: Could you describe what you were doing just before you were arrested?

VEEPA MAJAMUTAR: What was I doing?

MIKE BURKE: Yes.

VEEPA MAJAMUTAR: Basically I was just – I was walking on the sidewalk. I didn't even know that there were police and the march was going on. And all of a sudden the street basically just gets cordoned off and we cannot move. So before I was arrested I was just standing still because that's all we could really do. And then they just started putting handcuffs on people. They didn't tell us, please leave otherwise we’ll arrest you. They gave us no warning. They gave us no chance to leave. They just basically closed off the street, put handcuffs, and took us. They did not listen to anybody. They did not listen to even pure reason. They just put us off. We thought we would basically get out in a couple of hours if we had done nothing. But here we are 12 hours later and, basically, almost ridicule us. They ridicule us if we start to complain. And the condition here are atrocious. You have to see them to believe it. It's dirty. It’s smelly. It’s filthy. We don’t have a blanket. We don't have something to sit on. We are sitting on the floor. There's dirt on the floor. There’s oil on the floor. There’s chemicals around us. It's smelling bad. I could go on and on. It’s atrocious.

MIKE BURKE: Could you describe what kind of room you are in? It sounds like there are many, many people in the same room.

VEEPA MAJAMUTAR: We are like a hundred – a hundred people in a very small room. It's surrounded by fence and we are like -- it's almost like rats in a hole. I mean, there's nothing, there is just a floor which is very dirty, which is a lot of oil and all dust in it, I mean, all our clothes are dirty our hands are ditty. We had to eat an apple with our extremely dirty hands because we have no tissue paper, nothing to clean our hands with. We are just basically packed. Nobody can sit down. They don't even give us a plastic bag to sit on. They don't even give anything to lie down on. We just have to lie on the hard floor, basically. And there is not enough space for everybody to lie down because we have to sit so close together. It's cramped. And we were freezing before and people were actually coughing, they were getting cold and nobody paid any attention, nobody gave them even a blanket nobody gave them even a plastic bag to cover themselves with.

JANET: My name’s Janet and I was arrested last night. I was actually on the sidewalk. We were having a party in the street, we were dancing a little bit and then the cops started to pen us in, so we moved onto the sidewalk and there was a lot of us crammed into a small space. They did not give us an order of dispersal. Instead, they just smashed us all together; and they started -- at first they were picking people out and smashing their heads on the sidewalks. I couldn't really get a good look of that because I was in the back being like crammed between a wall and a bunch of people. Then they slowly, slowly, slowly broke us off and put us on the buses. We were on the buses for a really long time. Now we are in a holding cell. It's been probably more than 12 hours. It's been about 13 hours. They just told me when I got medical attention that there's -- they arrested 1100 people last night and we’re all still in here. It's totally nasty. The floor is greasy. There are signs everywhere saying we should be wearing masks and goggles; and I have this really bad rash on my hand that's getting worse and worse. It feels like I just stuck my hand in an oven, it burns so bad, and my arms are tingling and my other hand is getting it, too. I spent a really long time trying to let them get me out of here so I could at least wash my hands and put some ice on it. Finally my arresting officer came and she took me over there and there's a doctor and a nurse in this office and they didn't have a sink for me to wash my hands; but they let me pour saline solution over my hand into a garbage can and then rub some hand-sanitizer on my hands. My hands are so black and dirty from how gross it is in here that I couldn't even get them clean. Then they gave me a wet tissue to put on it. Basically they couldn't really do anything for me. They told me to put some hydrocortisone cream on it, which isn't very helpful because I’m in here. And now I am just sitting back in a cell with everybody else. They’re not really telling us what's going on. It seems like we’re going to be in here for a really long time.

AMY GOODMAN: Phone calls from jail. Voices of protesters detained inside pier 57. New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg has denied the city's operating what some have called Guantanamo on the Hudson, defended the use of the pier garage, saying, quote, it's not supposed to be Club Med. [partial transcript]
www.democracynow.org
Oooh, conspiracy theories! Wait, I think I see bigfoot over there giving campaign advice to the President! And there is JFK, back from the dead, surfing in Maui! Do you beleive it, Jimmy Hoffa, rising out of Giants Stadium! :)

There's nothing about chemical poisoning in that article. All I see is a practical way to deal with an influx in arrests.

Apparently you haven't read the whole thing.

Apparently you haven't read the whole thing.
But does that mean that this article contains an ounce of truth? Well, it does. Turns out, New York City is an actual place.

But does that mean that this article contains an ounce of truth? Well, it does. Turns out, New York City is an actual place.

Yeah, CBS is such a notorious mouthpiece for the left. :rolleyes:

You have to be read your rights before you can be arrested, that is the law. And the 5th amendment protects you from self incrimination.


actually you have to be read your rights within 48 hours of arrest if they plan to charge you.

Protesters being held in horrible, life threatening conditions? No one in our government can do that and no be found out and punished.


:p :p :p Best example of brainfailure today, wow Mr. Propaganda you just scored. Greetings at your uncles: Rummy&Goebels :gundge:

Sorry, MKULTRA, but you're overlooking two very important things:

1)America isn't a democracy (thank God)

2)Our Founding Fathers hated democracy. They called it the worst form of government. Read The Federalist Papers for more details.
I don't understand how whether the US is a democracy or not is relevent. The topic is human rights abuses, which are, whether we be a democracy or republic or dictatorship, illegal under our constitution. I don't know if the first post is propaganda or reality, but it isn't really that hard to believe that it might be reality, and that is worrying in and of itself.

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO BRUTUALITY

Because the NYPD needs to save at least some room for real crimmals, as of now arrested protesters are being held at the Port Authority Bus Terminal.

Just because the brutality isn't intentional doesn't mean it isn't brutality. They stick a load of protesters in a brutal holding environment because they have no better place to put them; this does not make the environment any less brutal.
And I'm glad you agree they aren't criminals. Which logically means that they shouldn't be treated as such.


Every time people like TRA, Texstambul, and those sorts of conspiracy theorists claim that "they" are doing something bad that the discerning mind can see is not at all happening, they are crying wolf. Cry wolf often enough, and somethiong really bad (the internment of the Japanese) will be ignored as just another stupid conspiracy theory.
So maybe that is already the case and you are ignoring atrocities. Maybe not. But think about it for awhile, investigate the facts, before you dismiss it out of hand as just another "crazy conspiracy theory". If what has been described is actually going on, I think that qualifies as something "really bad".

From the CBS article.

NYPD officials declined a second request to allow an AP reporter to tour the site Wednesday, saying officers were too busy processing the nearly 1,000 people arrested the day before.

Among them was an AP photo messenger, who was taken in along with a group of protesters when police broke up a demonstration that she and a colleague were covering.

Jeanette Warner was there for several hours. She said conditions were far from inhumane, although the facility was dirty and the experience was exhausting.

"It was like a warehouse, it was the best they could do," Warner said. "You didn't want to sit on the floor, that's for sure."

Detainee JoAnn Wypijewski, a 48-year-old freelance magazine writer, said officers manning the makeshift lockup were polite.

"You get the feeling that they're being held prisoner too," she said. "It's not a great working environment in there."


See, there is nothing wrong. Just a city using the most cost effective way to deal with a nuisance. These protester types though always try to make it seem like the sky is falling when talking about things they hate. Now if they had common sense, they would go to work or get a job and make some money instead of wasting time on stupidity and paying the price for it, which wastes even more time.

From the CBS article.



See, there is nothing wrong. Just a city using the most cost effective way to deal with a nuisance. These protester types though always try to make it seem like the sky is falling when talking about things they hate. Now if they had common sense, they would go to work or get a job and make some money instead of wasting time on stupidity and paying the price for it, which wastes even more time.

Yeah, sweeping up everyone who is on the street, including the press, is just a cost effective way to deal with a nuisance. :rolleyes:

Did you read the rest of it, or did you just stop there? Did you read about the people who were kept for over 18 hours and had to sleep on an oil-covered floor? Well the lucky ones had benches to sit on. Did you read about the earlier fire that caused the air there to be filled with asbestos? Or did you just read down to the reporter who, certainly not from wanting to keep her access, said that her unlawful confinement was "not so bad"?

The stupidity that these people were wasting time on... you mean excercising their "rights" to free speach and assembly? Or maybe you mean the bystanders who were just there? Or the press who was covering it?

And B.T.W. just what is all this shit about protestors getting jobs? Did your "democratically elected" leaders tell you that they were all unemployed or something?

The last part is about a civil rights lawyer and some union activists overreacting. If the conditions were that bad, the AP people would have said something about it.

About that stereotype, a kid from Yale probably wasted his future as a lawyer by sneaking into the convention and began shouting anti-war slogans just 10 feet away from Dick Cheney.

The last part is about a civil rights lawyer and some union activists overreacting. If the conditions were that bad, the AP people would have said something about it.

About that stereotype, a kid from Yale probably wasted his future as a lawyer by sneaking into the convention and began shouting anti-war slogans just 10 feet away from Dick Cheney.

Yeah, because A.P. reporters are notorious for risking their access to report the truth. And besides, anyone who doesn't have a version of events that you are willing to accept MUST be lying.

And if that kid now has no future, it is because he will face descrimination for excercising his "rights". How did he sneak in? Did he sign a loyalty oath and :gasp: lie?

meh...more liberal rubbish.

4th Rech?? lol get real. ressurection of Adolf Hiter?? get a life. Calling Conservatives and Republicans is the most dumb and illogical statement I've heard.

as for the "reports" more rubbish
something big is gonna happen I can feel it-Im getting dreams

MKULTRA is the third biggest sissy boy on this gay website. He is behing Myrth and Chess Squares! But has a bigger penis then both combined. Too bad he doesn't know how to use it.
how does it feel to be a simpleton?

http://cbsnewyork.com/topstories/topstoriesny_story_245163526.html

Okay, wonderful. You found a reputable source to tell us that protesters are making these exaggerated claims. Good job.

Okay, wonderful. You found a reputable source to tell us that protesters are making these exaggerated claims. Good job.

Thanks. :)

Seems to me it told us that

a) there were people held there for at least 18 hours - yes, according to the claims of one of them. Another, a press worker who gave good reviews of her unjustified detention, was described in the narrative as having been held for several hours. Although the police claim that the average detention time was 90 minutes, "officers were too busy processing the nearly 1,000 people arrested the day before to allow the A.P. to see the facility (some people have trouble lying, and tend to tell contradictory lies);

b) there were non-protestors, such as members of the press, who were picked up just for being near protestors (one press member who was detained is the one who said it was "not so bad" - one might speculate that, of the 100s detained, she might have been treated with deference if somebody believed her claims of being press);

c) the detention area had had to be "cleaned up" from the remnants of the industrial uses it had been put to previously (one might also speculate that those suspected of being press were held in particularly clean areas);

d) the detention area had asbestos in the air, according to a former Pier 57 worker. Police claim there were no air quality issues. Which, of the two, has an agenda?;

e) N.Y.P.D. declined requests by A.P. reporters to tour the site (apparently they could not spare a single officer for one hour; also see (a), above);

f) protestors did have complaints about the cleanliness of the facility, although only one was quoted;

g) the N.Y.P.D. is renowned throughout America for its corruption and brutality. At most as reliable a source of information as the protestors;

and finally

h) freedom of speach and assembly are supposed to be sacrosanct in the U.S.A., even when the G.O.P. is in town.



Only thing different in this version is that they quoted some people with press passes who might very well have been treated specially, or may have simply wanted to keep their press access. Is this speculation? Sure. So is the knee-jerk neocon-sheep determination that all the protestors are lying ... or at least, all that say what you don't want to hear.

In the towns around Dachau, Buchenwaldt, Trablinka, et al, the people saw the smoke and smelled the burning fat. They still told themselves that the Jews and Gypsies etc. had merely been deported. Sheep-people like that... like you... will never believe what evils their governments are capable of until they themselves are herded into the cattle cars. And in some cases, not even then.

how does it feel to be a simpleton?
but he is right about the penis part

Seems to me it told us that

a) there were people held there for at least 18 hours - yes, according to the claims of one of them. Another, a press worker who gave good reviews of her unjustified detention, was described in the narrative as having been held for several hours. Although the police claim that the average detention time was 90 minutes, "officers were too busy processing the nearly 1,000 people arrested the day before to allow the A.P. to see the facility (some people have trouble lying, and tend to tell contradictory lies);

I'll concede the discrepancy. A discrepancy by itself, however, proves little, and the 90-minute estimate could easily have come from an uninformed interviewee. Even at worst, it's hardly an indicator of brutality.

b) there were non-protestors, such as members of the press, who were picked up just for being near protestors (one press member who was detained is the one who said it was "not so bad" - one might speculate that, of the 100s detained, she might have been treated with deference if somebody believed her claims of being press);

Journalists are trained to be aware of their surroundings. It's unlikely, even if she received favorable treatment, that she would have failed to notice a disparity between her treatment and that of the common folk.

c) the detention area had had to be "cleaned up" from the remnants of the industrial uses it had been put to previously (one might also speculate that those suspected of being press were held in particularly clean areas);

There's no indication that any of the press interviewed were even grouped with other press members, much less that they were held in cleaner areas. Even Warner, who gave a somewhat favorable impression, said, "You didn't want to sit on the floor, that's for sure."

d) the detention area had asbestos in the air, according to a former Pier 57 worker. Police claim there were no air quality issues. Which, of the two, has an agenda?;

Commissioner Kelly referred to tests done on Monday night. If no such tests were done, he's lying. If such tests were done, and showed air quality problems, he's lying. Why tell a lie that could be so easily be disproven?

e) N.Y.P.D. declined requests by A.P. reporters to tour the site (apparently they could not spare a single officer for one hour; also see (a), above);

As the article states, members of the press were detained. When reporters have already been effectively "embedded" at the site for several hours, why spare an officer who could be better put to use processing detainees and getting them out as soon as possible?

f) protestors did have complaints about the cleanliness of the facility, although only one was quoted;

The second reason the previously cited quote from Warner is important is that it implies that, while the floors were certainly not clean, those held at Pier 57 had the option of sitting on benches as the police claimed.

g) the N.Y.P.D. is renowned throughout America for its corruption and brutality. At most as reliable a source of information as the protestors;

Fine. Both sources are questionable. That doesn't help my case, but it doesn't do much for yours either.

and finally

h) freedom of speach and assembly are supposed to be sacrosanct in the U.S.A., even when the G.O.P. is in town.

Agreed. I, for one, think it's a load of crap that protesters are even required to get a permit to gather in a public place. That people were arrested for not having a permit is ridiculous, but we can't blame the police for that. Their job is to enforce the law.

I'm not going to say that all the protesters were innocent, though. Those who blocked traffic certainly ought to have been arrested. Traffic laws exist to protect people's lives, and we can't simply suspend them every time someone wants to protest. Those who got into the convention were essentially guilty of trespassing. The GOP was hosting the party, so to speak, and had every right to decide who would be admitted and who would not. If there's an exception to this principle that I don't know about, and it can be satisfactorily explained to me, I'll be glad to change my position on this, and I honestly mean that. I never want it said that I support parties over principles, especially the Republican party.

Only thing different in this version is that they quoted some people with press passes who might very well have been treated specially, or may have simply wanted to keep their press access. Is this speculation? Sure. So is the knee-jerk neocon-sheep determination that all the protestors are lying ... or at least, all that say what you don't want to hear.

In the towns around Dachau, Buchenwaldt, Trablinka, et al, the people saw the smoke and smelled the burning fat. They still told themselves that the Jews and Gypsies etc. had merely been deported. Sheep-people like that... like you... will never believe what evils their governments are capable of until they themselves are herded into the cattle cars. And in some cases, not even then.

And this is when I realized that you know absolutely nothing about me. Neocon? If the Democratic candidate was anyone but John Kerry, I'd likely be rooting for him/her to knock Bush out of the White House. You think this is about me disagreeing with the protesters? Wrong. This is about people who claim to be supporters of human rights cheapening actual human rights abuses by likening their ordeals to those experienced by prisoners at Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib. Even the worst of their accounts pale in comparison to what the Abu Ghraib prisoners went through. The comparison is only being made to win some cheap political points, and that sickens me.

hundreds of lawsuits are now being filed because the NYPD deliberately forced people to breathe in asbestos which causes cancer

protestors are fun to laugh at cause no one truly cares (at least I dont care)

but he is right about the penis part
im going to stab you now

:) :) :) :) :)

I love reading stories like this! You just made my day! THANKS!

These far lefties have been able to combine abu-ghraib, pollution, patriot act, police brutality and protests all into one! I especially loved the part where they complained about not having tissues to wipe their apples with!

ROFLMAO!

This is fit for the cover of the WEEKY WORLD REPORT. Maybe they can even get quotes from the alien clones of Elvis who were there!

im going to stab you now
LOL no--stab yuor mom

Apparently you haven't read the whole thing.

I did. They were given sandwiches. They were provided water. AP reporters said it was not so terribly bad, they were treated politely, but that the floor was dirty.

*shrug*

As for the "safety issues", the shop steward really didn't say anything other than that asbestos was released in a fire years ago -- they never said one way or the other whether it had been cleaned up.

I did. They were given sandwiches. They were provided water. AP reporters said it was not so terribly bad, they were treated politely, but that the floor was dirty.

*shrug*

As for the "safety issues", the shop steward really didn't say anything other than that asbestos was released in a fire years ago -- they never said one way or the other whether it had been cleaned up.
in other words they were breathing in poison air--the same kinda air that firefighters ironically breathed in at the world trade center--the parallels are chilling

how does it feel to be a simpleton?

Do not flame. Do not repost other people's flames.

but he is right about the penis part

Knock it off.

Knock it off.
ok

im going to stab you now


Do. Not. Threaten. Other. Players.