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Space signal studied for alien contact

Thursday, September 2, 2004 Posted: 9:52 AM EDT (1352 GMT)



LONDON, England (Reuters) -- An unexplained radio signal from deep space could -- just might be -- contact from an alien civilization, New Scientist magazine reported on Thursday.

The signal, coming from a point between the Pisces and Aries constellations, has been picked up three times by a telescope in Puerto Rico.

There are other explanations besides extraterrestrial contact that may explain the signal. New Scientist said the signal could be generated by a previously unknown astronomical phenomenon or even be a by-product from the telescope itself.

But the mystery beam has excited astronomers across the world.

"If they can see it four, five or six times it really begins to get exciting," Jocelyn Bell Burnell of the University of Bath in western England told the magazine.

It was broadcast on the main frequency at which the universe's most common element, hydrogen, absorbs and emits energy, and which astronomers say is the most likely means by which aliens would advertise their presence.

The potentially extraterrestrial signals were picked up through the SETI+home project, which uses programs running as screensavers on millions of personal computers worldwide to sift through the huge amount of data picked up by the telescope.

So you believe that it was aliens?

sounds like my issue suggestion :|

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/09/02/alien_no_no/

hmm

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/09/02/alien_no_no/

hmm

Thank you...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/09/02/alien_no_no/

hmmThat doesn't mean it didn't happen, usually when an Alien race is discovered or trys to send a message, the government hides it up with a different story so as to not cause world wide panic. Dont know why though, wouldn't it be better if we knew about them??....

That doesn't mean it didn't happen, usually when an Alien race is discovered or trys to send a message, the government hides it up with a different story so as to not cause world wide panic. Dont know why though, wouldn't it be better if we knew about them??....

Im especially intrigued by these parts
"Usually when an Alien race is discovered... the government hides it ", care to enthrall us all with a source backing this statement up ?

Im especially intrigued by these parts
"Usually when an Alien race is discovered... the government hides it ", care to enthrall us all with a source backing this statement up ? Area 51 for one. And it is actually true, thats what i believe. There is no way in HELL that we are alone in the universe. As for the world wide panic thing, that is the only reason taht i can come up with that they would hide an encounter witht the third kind(:p). Again, that's just me. Believe what you wish, just don't try to scold me.

Area 51 for one. And it is actually true, thats what i believe. There is no way in HELL that we are alone in the universe. As for the world wide panic thing, that is the only reason taht i can come up with that they would hide an encounter witht the third kind(:p). Again, that's just me. Believe what you wish, just don't try to scold me.


Aliens never came there or did anything, ok?

The original New Scientist article is here (http://www.newscientist.com/news/nographic.jsp?id=ns99996341). It addresses the issues of possible fraud, and the chance that it might be an artefact of the equipment, or the product of some previously unknown astronomical phenomenon.

Area 51 for one. And it is actually true, thats what i believe. There is no way in HELL that we are alone in the universe. As for the world wide panic thing, that is the only reason taht i can come up with that they would hide an encounter witht the third kind(:p). Again, that's just me. Believe what you wish, just don't try to scold me.
Lets take this piece by piece
"Area 51 for one" , hmmmmmmmmmmm you have evidence of some form of non human biological or technological prescence there? Feel free to post a few links so we can all share in your , apparently priveledged knowledge of this area 51.
"And it is actually true" I concur it is true that there is an area 51, but this in and of itself does not mean anything with regards to intelligent alien life (or lack thereof)
There is no way in HELL that we are alone in the universe Thats nice , doesnt really mean we have recieved a signal from aliens though does it?Do you have any sources to back this statement up by the way? If you do please feel free to share them here.
Believe what you wish, just dont try to scold me
I hope you realise that far from berating you, I am simply asking for a little evidence ;)

There is no evidence.

Lmao. Well, that's the thing, i don't have any proof because of the government hushing everything, oops, don' think i should have said that, now i'm sure someone is gonna try to laugh in my face somehow. Oh, and thanks for taking my hand and acting like i was a disillusioned toddler. ;)

Lmao. Well, that's the thing, i don't have any proof because of the government hushing everything, oops, don' think i should have said that, now i'm sure someone is gonna try to laugh in my face somehow. Oh, and thanks for taking my hand and acting like i was a disillusioned toddler. ;)


O yeah, nice excuse...blaming the government.

O yeah, nice excuse...blaming the government.
Yeah,very nice excuse indeed, i outdid myself. Oh, and wtf is up with you? I'm voicing an opinion and your trying to scold the hell outta me. Sticking up for the government with blind pride, are we?

Yeah,very nice excuse indeed, i outdid myself. Oh, and wtf is up with you? I'm voicing an opinion and your trying to scold the hell outta me. Sticking up for the government with blind pride, are we?


O your right...hehe, yeah sticking up for the government...man you need to think every century or so, you have NO proof at all and the government(media and all) would have left at least one blasted thing behind.

Area 51 for one. And it is actually true, thats what i believe. There is no way in HELL that we are alone in the universe. As for the world wide panic thing, that is the only reason taht i can come up with that they would hide an encounter witht the third kind(:p). Again, that's just me. Believe what you wish, just don't try to scold me.

DUMBASS! the goverment wants us to beleive in aliens as a cover up for there experiments with air craft. Members of CIA actually set up the main organisation trying to prove aliens, wouldn't they get sacked or go missing
if the goverment was trying to hide aliens? In a speech conference america said there was no way the U.F.Os came from this planet. They basically said aliens are out there. Besides there are records going back to WW2 showing how a flying saucer could be built long before they were spotted. There is much more proof to that than there is of alien existence.

Lmao. Well, that's the thing, i don't have any proof because of the government hushing everything, oops, don' think i should have said that, now i'm sure someone is gonna try to laugh in my face somehow. Oh, and thanks for taking my hand and acting like i was a disillusioned toddler. ;)

Why do you believe that the government is covering up the presence of aliens? This argument could be used to justify anything.

Anyone who says we are definitely alone in the Universe is as bad as anyone who says we are definitely not alone in the universe if they can't provide proof. The only real proof we can hope to get is second hand stories and pictures of a questionable nature. Although there are several govt. officials who are participating in something called the disclosure project which you can find quite easily online if you care to see what they might be saying.

Now me... I know someone who knows things for sure but there is no way you are going to get any information out of me (because I am not taking the chance of putting anyones live in danger) so I wont make any claims about anything.

I can tell you that I have seen UFO's a couple times with my own eyes (once with friend who saw the same thing and we both kept askign each other if the other really was seeing the same thing it was wild!) and 16 y/o friends have video taped things in northern Utah which seem truely unbelieveable. When they sent their tape into "Sightings" for the $10,000 reward or whatever you get if they can't debunk it... they only got a response from sightings saying that they were still lookign into it and just a few days later while noone was home they came home to find their house had burned down.

Ok, first off, Landthathopeforgot......I guess manners, and basic reading skills were forgotten too? I said, DONT SCOLD ME, JUST AN OPINION. And as for Snake Venom, same thing applies to you. But, seeing as how i have no proof, i guess you have silenced me for the moment.( And maybe i'm just too lazy to look up info) But,whatever........

There is no way in HELL that we are alone in the universe

The universe is a very, very, very big place.

Lmao. Well, that's the thing, i don't have any proof
I quite understand, well if you dont have any proof, perhaps you could share some of your reasons for thinking as you do on this issue? Im certain they could lead to a very interesting discussion, now i'm sure someone is gonna try to laugh in my face somehow.
With no intention of causing offence I would like to take this chance you have given me to point out that I generally dont laugh in peoples faces unless they are giving me a reason to do so. Oh, and thanks for taking my hand and acting like i was a disillusioned toddler. ;)
I dont think you are a disillusioned toddler, You are coming across as slightly irrational, which I generally wouldnt expect from a college student.
With respect I am simply asking you to cite sources, even if you dont consider them to be "proof" you must have reasons you can explain for thinking that, for example, the government of any nation on earth has knowledge of the existence of aliens.

Area 51 for one. And it is actually true, thats what i believe. There is no way in HELL that we are alone in the universe. As for the world wide panic thing, that is the only reason taht i can come up with that they would hide an encounter witht the third kind(:p). Again, that's just me. Believe what you wish, just don't try to scold me.

LOL. Area 51? My uncle was in the Air Force, and helped build the Stealth Bomber (at area 51 no less). Guess what. No aliens. He is retired now, but still not supposed to talk about it. All I can promise you is that there are NO ALIENS at area 51. Although there are quite a few high-tech, top-secret aircraft/ other vehicles there. Unfortunately for all the conspiracy theorists, of course.

Well, thank you brittanic, at least your coming across as polite, oh, and i'm a highschool student, maybe that might explain a few things. Hmmmm, reason for believing in aliens. Well, first off, the universe is never ending, so there has to, HAS TO be someother type of life out there that can be classified as alien. Also, i've spotted UFO's twice before on Lake Ontario. It had to be UFO's because it was moving way too fast, and too suddenly to be an airplane, or helicoptor. And this one might be stupid but, when i look up into the night sky, I can FEEL some sort of presence out there. Yeah, stupid i know, but......

Anyone who says we are definitely alone in the Universe is as bad as anyone who says we are definitely not alone in the universe if they can't provide proof. The only real proof we can hope to get is second hand stories and pictures of a questionable nature. Although there are several govt. officials who are participating in something called the disclosure project which you can find quite easily online if you care to see what they might be saying.

Now me... I know someone who knows things for sure but there is no way you are going to get any information out of me (because I am not taking the chance of putting anyones live in danger) so I wont make any claims about anything.

I can tell you that I have seen UFO's a couple times with my own eyes (once with friend who saw the same thing and we both kept askign each other if the other really was seeing the same thing it was wild!) and 16 y/o friends have video taped things in northern Utah which seem truely unbelieveable. When they sent their tape into "Sightings" for the $10,000 reward or whatever you get if they can't debunk it... they only got a response from sightings saying that they were still lookign into it and just a few days later while noone was home they came home to find their house had burned down.

There government craft I tell ya!

bullshit there's no area 51. i saw it in 'independence day' - will smith carjacked their alien ride and bitch slapped the mother ship. then he got jiggy wit it.

ok

bullshit there's no area 51. i saw it in 'independance day' - will smith carjacked their alien ride and bitch slapped the mother ship.Lmao, your taking advice from a MOVIE?

There government craft I tell ya!

Prove it... all I know is that they were unidentified flying objects.

one that I am really puzzled about is the one that came flying in my direction with lights blinking as if it was a plane. it was coming straight at me and had all teh plane features. as soon as it was directly above me it stopped in mid air. then something remarkable happened... it starting morphing into different shapes. and the blinking lights turned into a bunch of different colored blinking lights liek it was putting on a show for me. THEN it started moving upwards toward the stars and a "vortex" opened in the sky distorting the view of the stars into a conical type of shape I guess you would call it. the craft flew directly into the center of the vortex and they craft dissapeard and the vortex twisted back into it's nothingness.

hard to explain and I guess my word is all I have but that is what I saw... and no I wasnt on drugs - everyone asks me that so I will ge that out of the way right now.

Lmao, your taking advice from a MOVIE?

[it was a joke]

Prove it... all I know is that they were unidentified flying objects.

one that I am really puzzled about is the one that came flying in my direction with lights blinking as if it was a plane. it was coming straight at me and had all teh plane features. as soon as it was directly above me it stopped in mid air. then something remarkable happened... it starting morphing into different shapes. and the blinking lights turned into a bunch of different colored blinking lights liek it was putting on a show for me. THEN it started moving upwards toward the stars and a "vortex" opened in the sky distorting the view of the stars into a conical type of shape I guess you would call it. the craft flew directly into the center of the vortex and they craft dissapeard and the vortex twisted back into it's nothingness.

hard to explain and I guess my work is all I ahve but that is what I saw.
Morphed,eh? hmmm, could be a holografic projector on the "ship." And you saw a warp hole open!?!?Dam you, lucky.

[it was a joke]:o Oh shit, my bad. LMAO

I once thought I was abducted by Aliens. I had one of those "sleep paralysis" things. Needless to say, scariest experience EVER!.

I once thought I was abducted by Aliens. I had one of those "sleep paralysis" things. Needless to say, scariest experience EVER!.Sleep paralysis? Sorry, but please do explain what you mean by that. (never heard of it)

:o Oh shit, my bad. LMAO

no prob. it would help if it had been funny.

[it was a joke]

ok, what you said originally was funny as hell. what was even better was that this idgit believed you.


*insert1billionlaughingsmilieshere*

no prob. it would help if it had been funny.Well, it was funny actually. I was laughing hysterically over it.

ok, what you said originally was funny as hell. what was even better was that this idgit believed you.


*insert1billionlaughingsmilieshere*OOC; What? what "idgit"?

Morphed,eh? hmmm, could be a holografic projector on the "ship." And you saw a warp hole open!?!?Dam you, lucky.


I am not pretending to label anything I saw as being any definite thing. Who knows what it was? Warp hole? Holographic Projector? You have a hard time believing that ships can morph but do beleive that they can open warp holes? For fun I like to say that it was humans from the future.

JINKYS


ZOINKS

We'd better split up and look for clues

not even for a scooby snack

And i would'ave gotten away with it if it wasn't for

He hid a projector in a blimp, drove the blimp over Tower bridge then projected the monster to the bridge to scare people away from the oil under the Thames

I am not pretending to label anything I saw as being any definite thing. Who knows what it was? Warp hole? Holographic Projector? You have a hard time believing that ships can morph but do beleive that they can open warp holes? For fun I like to say that it was humans from the future.no,no,no, i believe they can morph, i was just giving another thought as to what happened.

Alien encounters and abductions all seem to feature bizarrely inscrutable aliens, who behave as mysteriously as possible, largley because the person telling the story has heard other similar stories and believes aliens are supposed to act like that. Fly around in odd patterns and flash some lights at you, that sort of thing. It's almost like a modern religion supplement, with the deliberate mystery of it.

While I believe that life does exist out there somewhere, I think it's unlikely in the extreme that any aliens have visited the earth. All stories of alien abduction are either blatant lies, or the result of some delusion (I wouldn't be surprised if 90% of them are either dreams or the result of intoxicating substances). While the governments of the world cover up many things, aliens are not one of them; they're far too incompetant to keep the lid on anything like that for very long.

Also, there doesn't seem to be any rational reason for the government to cover up the existence of aliens. What purpose does it serve, to spend millions and have lots of people killed to cover up?

no,no,no, i believe they can morph, i was just giving another thought as to what happened.

okay so putting on the holographic show was just to impress me? lol

Heh, Area 51 is simply a secret american air force base in the nevada desert which is used to design and test out new high tech aircarft

as for proof of alians, have you proof there aren't alians?

personally, i believe that there are other forms of life out in the universe somewhere, the simple fact that there are billions and billions of galaxies out there with billions of star systems in each, with billions of plaets....etc

the fact that there are so many star systems out there, there must be at least a few more planets that have evolved life out there somewhere, although, the chances of it being in any way similer to ours is remote

think about it, human civilisation on earth has been around for about 3-4000 years? think about that time period in terms of the history of the universe, then think about all we have accomplished in that relitavly short period of time, if other, alian races are out there, the chances are that they are either eaons ahead of us in terms of evolution/technology or are still crawling around blindly and squelching

as for alians here on earth, i dont know, there have been many reports of UFO sightings (but then again there have been people who have a giant invisible bunny rabbit called harvey as a friend), and im sure almost all of them are fakes, there are some famous sightings such as the so called 'foo fighters' in the second world war, small, spherical 'orbs of light' that floated alongside both allied and axis planes during the war, both sides thought they were some kind of secret weapon of the enemy, and it was only after the war it was realised that no-one knew what they were.

in short, i think there must be alians out there, the universe is just too big for us to be all alone (and lets face it, if a race as screwed up as us humans can make it, someone else must have done better eh? :rolleyes: ), but then there are some things that we just cant explain at the moment, in the days when religion ruled the western world, they were regared as miricles, or as signs from gods, when we were living in huts in primitive socioty, they were regarded as signs from the gods (more sacrifices) post-1900, they are usully regared as UFO's, its all a matter of perspective...

EDIT:btw, this post was started after reading post no 25, so i feel ive missed a bit of the convo since i began posting :(

Alien encounters and abductions all seem to feature bizarrely inscrutable aliens, who behave as mysteriously as possible, largley because the person telling the story has heard other similar stories and believes aliens are supposed to act like that. Fly around in odd patterns and flash some lights at you, that sort of thing. It's almost like a modern religion supplement, with the deliberate mystery of it.

While I believe that life does exist out there somewhere, I think it's unlikely in the extreme that any aliens have visited the earth. All stories of alien abduction are either blatant lies, or the result of some delusion (I wouldn't be surprised if 90% of them are either dreams or the result of intoxicating substances). While the governments of the world cover up many things, aliens are not one of them; they're far too incompetant to keep the lid on anything like that for very long.

fair enough. I dont claim one thing or another. I say that what I saw were UFO's because they were merely unidentifiable.

As I was awake and sober and even had people with me to eyewitness the same thing I did... by reading the encounter I described what would you say that was?

fair enough. I dont claim one thing or another. I say that what I saw were UFO's because they were merely unidentifiable.

As I was awake and sober and even had people with me to eyewitness the same thing I did... by reading the encounter I described what would you say that was?

To be perfectly honest, it sounds like a fabrication. It has all the ingredients; inscrutable behaviour, standard sci-fi special effects (especially the vortex thing), etc.

You might know differently, but from where I'm sitting, it sounds like a blatant lie.

this whole situation sounds just like the movie "contact" (written by carl sagan, definitely one of my top 5). when we start getting radio signals in bursts of prime numbers, i'll be really freaked.

I am a alien. My name is Kendork 4. I come from Zycllonn13 in the Andromeda Galaxy. I like football and drawing. Thank you humans.

Well, first off, the universe is never ending

I believe the universe works like an old Atari game....you go to far one way, you just end up on the other side.

Im especially intrigued by these parts
"Usually when an Alien race is discovered... the government hides it ", care to enthrall us all with a source backing this statement up ?

Watch the first through 5th seasons of Xfiles before theT-1000 guy becomes a part of the cast. Its all there man. (The T-1000 guy was put in there by the government to shut down Chris Carters message of truth.) MULDER WILL BE BACK!!!!

I believe the universe works like an old Atari game....you go to far one way, you just end up on the other side.

prove it, pac-man. i dare you. :)

To be perfectly honest, it sounds like a fabrication. It has all the ingredients; inscrutable behaviour, standard sci-fi special effects (especially the vortex thing), etc.

You might know differently, but from where I'm sitting, it sounds like a blatant lie.

ok well then that is fine with me. it is hard to believe, I admit.

I do know differently though and am not a liar. but you can believe what you want. It's hard to believe stuff you are uncomfortable with being true, especially when there is no hard evidence. And you obviously have issues with accepting the possibility short of being abducted yoruself.

Had I had a camera I would have taken a picture. I wanted to run in my house and call everyone to come outside and look but I didnt wanna miss anything. damn it all! *stomps foot*

If I did have proof though (like a picture)) I'm sure you would still just call me a liar and say it was photoshopped.

What about my friends who were in a band and 16 y/o at the time? "Sightings" coulnd't disprove it and my friends had no video editing equipment.

UFO's are more than likely from the pre-CIA bodie's raid (help me with the name its slips my mind) on Nazi technology. Named operation "paper clip" it had very interesting technological pretenses such as anti-grav tech.

When you look at the first drawings of UFO's they actually look similar to the B2. Please keep in mind to that the B2 project spanned decades.

The Xfiles only used this contradictory explaination once. That in the arms race with the USSR the US needed a vast technological war machine. But to get rid of the possibility of the tech. being stolen merely make it seem like it is of unknown or alien origin. That way you can build and use those things however you damn please (human experimentation) and no one will be the wiser. This also goes right along with the army's and the cia's original assesment that Roswell was of alien origin. You have to ask yourself though... why is it that this mysterious craft crash landed not far from Los Alamos? Why would an alien craft be in the middle of no where? Its much more believable that craft was being tested (near a well known US testing area) had problems and crashed.

ok well then that is fine with me. it is hard to believe, I admit.

I do know differently though and am not a liar. but you can believe what you want. It's hard to believe stuff you are uncomfortable with being true, especially when there is no hard evidence. And you obviously have issues with accepting the possibility short of being abducted yoruself.

Had I had a camera I would have taken a picture. I wanted to run in my house and call everyone to come outside and look but I didnt wanna miss anything. damn it all! *stomps foot*

If I did have proof though (like a picture)) I'm sure you would still just call me a liar and say it was photoshopped.

What about my friends who were in a band and 16 y/o at the time? "Sightings" coulnd't disprove it and my friends had no video editing equipment.
*sniffs*

Oh god, it smells like...



Well here is one thing I'm noticing, all these sighting appeared to take place in open areas...so next time your out there, I suggest you leave the shrooms alone...they are giving you odd ideas.

*sniffs*

Oh god, it smells like...



Well here is one thing I'm noticing, all these sighting appeared to take place in open areas...so next time your out there, I suggest you leave the shrooms alone...they are giving you odd ideas.

take a breath mint then.

As you may have missed I was sober when this happened. No what say you? Oh wait you are obviously just a troll.. nevermind - respect seems to be beyond you with such a sad display as seen in teh quote

prove it, pac-man. i dare you. :)

the first episode of futurama explains all

space is never ending untill you get to the end and a gorilla throws barrels at you

I would be more serton of intelegent live out there it there was more evedence of it on earth :gundge:

X_x

"Confused"

K, First off I DO believe there are is life out there, cause the universe is a big place. Think about it...mathematically, it would be probable. If there truly were abductions and sightings, I wouldn't personally think thats probable. Probable that its authentic; I believe they're just sci-fi nuts at thirst for attention. If the government is behind all these sightings, then why do they do it? If they're testing equipment, what would they use them for? If the government is testing them, why do they indirectly proclaim it? For instance, there were "supposed" sightings at Phoenix in '97 and the Roswell one in the early 40's. The government reasons that it's just their weather balloons or jets. Could it be a possiblility that they're using this is indirectly start a hype. Maybe they're introducing the possibility of extraterrestrial life in a much more slowed pace. So...I do believe that there's some government conspiracy... maybe its some other focus...

Would be interesting if it really was a message from an alien culture. But as of yet, I highly doubt it, probably just a glitch or fraud.

I highly doubt there aren't other organisms out there somewhere, it is so highly improbable that this tiny ball of dust and water is the only thing in the entire universe that has life on it. Whether it is advanced or not, that is the real question.

take a breath mint then.

As you may have missed I was sober when this happened. No what say you? Oh wait you are obviously just a troll.. nevermind - respect seems to be beyond you with such a sad display as seen in teh quote

Well from what I have heard... Some places in the US with high "UFO" activity have a certain geological explanation. Such as high amounts of nitreous oxide causing halucinations and such.

Well from what I have heard... Some places in the US with high "UFO" activity have a certain geological explanation. Such as high amounts of nitreous oxide causing halucinations and such.

mass hallucinations that are caught on video though? that theory is out. although may be true for the one that i saw when i was alone. still... i have taken hallucinogenic drugs before and I have always been able to tell what is real and what is a hallucination.

Lets take this piece by piece hmmmmmmmmmmm you have evidence of some form of non human biological or technological prescence there? Feel free to post a few links so we can all share in your , apparently priveledged knowledge of this area 51. I concur it is true that there is an area 51, but this in and of itself does not mean anything with regards to intelligent alien life (or lack thereof)
Thats nice , doesnt really mean we have recieved a signal from aliens though does it?Do you have any sources to back this statement up by the way? If you do please feel free to share them here.

I hope you realise that far from berating you, I am simply asking for a little evidence ;)
You are not going to get empirical "proof" for everything.
Scientists believe there is life on other planets in our universe, and in our solar system. But they have no proof. They infer it.
By your strigent standards, all the scientists in the world are liars even though they would know more than you.
There are many things that happened in the past or that existed, all traces of which are gone. It doesn't mean those things didn't exist or never happened.
There is much more to the universe than what you can sense with your eyes, nose or ears.
Scientists now believe our universe is just one of many in a vast multiverse. But they have no proof. They are only guessing. According to you, since they don't have proof, they are either liars or they don't know what they are talking about. All cause they can't fulfill your demand for proof that YOU can see, touch, smell, hear, and taste.
Our senses can't detect everything.

mass hallucinations that are caught on video though? that theory is out. although may be true for the one that i saw when i was alone. still... i have taken hallucinogenic drugs before and I have always been able to tell what is real and what is a hallucination.
Mass hallucinations simply don't exist. The only way you can have a case of mass hallucination, is if everyone in the entire town or city had been doing weed or pot at the same time and happened to be having the exact same illusion.
MHs are another one of those urban legends that sound good but aren't true cause they aren't possible.

O your right...hehe, yeah sticking up for the government...man you need to think every century or so, you have NO proof at all and the government(media and all) would have left at least one blasted thing behind.
That a very very simplistic way of looking at how the world operates.
If the govt. wanted to cover something up, they could do it. There is nothing you or anyone else could do to prevent it.
like the possibility the PLO was behind the assassination of JFK. Reason, the assassin was a palestinian national.

Anyone who says we are definitely alone in the Universe is as bad as anyone who says we are definitely not alone in the universe if they can't provide proof. The only real proof we can hope to get is second hand stories and pictures of a questionable nature. Although there are several govt. officials who are participating in something called the disclosure project which you can find quite easily online if you care to see what they might be saying.

Now me... I know someone who knows things for sure but there is no way you are going to get any information out of me (because I am not taking the chance of putting anyones live in danger) so I wont make any claims about anything.

I can tell you that I have seen UFO's a couple times with my own eyes (once with friend who saw the same thing and we both kept askign each other if the other really was seeing the same thing it was wild!) and 16 y/o friends have video taped things in northern Utah which seem truely unbelieveable. When they sent their tape into "Sightings" for the $10,000 reward or whatever you get if they can't debunk it... they only got a response from sightings saying that they were still lookign into it and just a few days later while noone was home they came home to find their house had burned down.

I've studied this stuff. Any one who claims we are definately alone, obviously has not a clue as to what he or she is talking about.
BTW, its called astrobiology. The study of extraterrestrial life and if you look at where they are finding life on this planet, it is clear that life does exist elsewhere, in places we would think life could not exist.
Saying we are the only life in the universe is the modern equilvelant of saying the world is flat.

Fun for everyone.
It takes a personal experience in this matter to get over the idea that it isn't just some bs you read somewhere. Okay, so no painting anyone to be a liar.
I myself have seen two. Not as interesting, although the second one was a bit hair-raising. Both were seen by others at the same time, one by a police dispatcher (see credibility)
The first was like the Lubbock Lights, seen in the fall of '97.
The second was a singular entity and is a little too complicated to post right now, i will later if someone asks.
Two other things .... i've read a few reports that our own capital was visited for a few hours by something like the Lubbock Lights.
Also, there has been more than one strong "WOW" signal from the 70's through now, it's just there wasn't enough of a repeat for confirmation.

We could use more people like Sumaba Buwhan in discussions like these. He is not assigning any infantile suppositions to anything he saw. He does not even presume that he saw was "real." He makes a clear distinction between fact and possibility. All he knows for sure is that he saw something for which he has no explanation. Aliens? Maybe, maybe not.


Scientists believe there is life on other planets in our universe, and in our solar system. But they have no proof. They infer it.

No they don't. Scientists don't "infer" anything as being true, because science is an empirical device by nature.


There are many things that happened in the past or that existed, all traces of which are gone. It doesn't mean those things didn't exist or never happened.

Really. Such as? If there's no trace or record of it, how can you possibly have heard of it?


Scientists now believe our universe is just one of many in a vast multiverse. But they have no proof. They are only guessing.

Until they have proof, they don't believe in it. They consider it a possibility.


If the govt. wanted to cover something up, they could do it. There is nothing you or anyone else could do to prevent it.
like the possibility the PLO was behind the assassination of JFK. Reason, the assassin was a palestinian national.

This example is flawed. The fact that you're able to make the connection between the assassin's killing of Kennedy and his support of Palestinians is a piece of evidence -and thus would be a failure of the cover-up, if such a cover-up had been attempted.


It takes a personal experience in this matter to get over the idea that it isn't just some bs you read somewhere. Okay, so no painting anyone to be a liar.

Reliance on personal experience is the bane of the scientific method.


Straughn, I'd like to know about the second encounter you had. It sounds very interesting.

Since the Roswell incident (which in recent years the US government has admitted its cover-up of) there have been a total of 20 signals received from outer space. It is believed that these are from an alien piece of technology, etc. as 15 of them have been decoded.

The first one from the Roswell incident was decoded to revealing the location of the second signal found in 1997, but only AFTER the second signal was first received.

Some of these decoded signals even revealed images of computer circuts that are unlike our own. However, there is still skepticism as to the legitimacy of these signals.

I prefer to believe that these are indeed not a hoax, and are real.



The signals were received from 17 lightyears away, I forget which part of the sky though.

Mass hallucinations simply don't exist. The only way you can have a case of mass hallucination, is if everyone in the entire town or city had been doing weed or pot at the same time and happened to be having the exact same illusion.
MHs are another one of those urban legends that sound good but aren't true cause they aren't possible.

I wasn't saying that they do and youar idea of how they could exist doesnt seem plausible.

I'm curious...where was the signal in 1997 decoded and intercepted? I stumbled across a site several months ago...it said that it picked up a transmittion at the Arecibo Transmittion Satellite. The year I believe was '97. I believe that this dish is the largest dish as it is carved from the ground. Anyway, I picked up strange binary code...if mapped right it would be a message similar to that on the Voyagers sent out in the 70s. I'm going to see if I can find that site, cause I forgot the URL, lol.

Well, I found the site URL...

http://www.timestar.org/ccchilbolton.htm

Please read it carefully, but don't presume its true. This is some person's research and interpretation...its kinda interesting and scary.

O The dates were wrong.

It appeared as a crop circle in 2001. The message was transmitted at the Arecibo in 1974.

Would be interesting if it really was a message from an alien culture. But as of yet, I highly doubt it, probably just a glitch or fraud.

I highly doubt there aren't other organisms out there somewhere, it is so highly improbable that this tiny ball of dust and water is the only thing in the entire universe that has life on it. Whether it is advanced or not, that is the real question.
They have not closed the book on this case. For the first time,they recieved it 3 times in a row. They did not say it was not an alien signal. They only said they are moving to rule out other possibilities. That's the job of a bioastronomer: look for alien signals, then once you get a signal, do everything to make sure it is alien in origin.

We could use more people like Sumaba Buwhan in discussions like these. He is not assigning any infantile suppositions to anything he saw. He does not even presume that he saw was "real." He makes a clear distinction between fact and possibility. All he knows for sure is that he saw something for which he has no explanation. Aliens? Maybe, maybe not.




No they don't. Scientists don't "infer" anything as being true, because science is an empirical device by nature.




Really. Such as? If there's no trace or record of it, how can you possibly have heard of it?




Until they have proof, they don't believe in it. They consider it a possibility.




This example is flawed. The fact that you're able to make the connection between the assassin's killing of Kennedy and his support of Palestinians is a piece of evidence -and thus would be a failure of the cover-up, if such a cover-up had been attempted.




Reliance on personal experience is the bane of the scientific method.


Straughn, I'd like to know about the second encounter you had. It sounds very interesting.

In cosmology, quantum mechanics, and bioastronomy, scientists do a lot of inferrring.

Really. Such as? If there's no trace or record of it, how can you possibly have heard of it?

Oral traditions and stories.

The guy was not just a palestinian sympathizer, he was a palestinian nationalist. Do you know what the difference between the two is.

I wasn't saying that they do and youar idea of how they could exist doesnt seem plausible.
That's because Mass Hallucinations are not plausible period.

Stories, my friend, are stories. It doesn't matter though -both oral traditions and stories ARE records. Traces. Try again.

As for the Palestinian bit: Apparently you did not catch the relevance of what I was saying. Sympathizer, nationalist, citizen, whatever, it makes no difference, because the key is that this was known and disseminated to the public. In other words, a failure of government cover-up. Which, according to you, does not happen.

Stories, my friend, are stories. It doesn't matter though -both oral traditions and stories ARE records. Traces. Try again.

As for the Palestinian bit: Apparently you did not catch the relevance of what I was saying. Sympathizer, nationalist, citizen, whatever, it makes no difference, because the key is that this was known and disseminated to the public. In other words, a failure of government cover-up. Which, according to you, does not happen.
I never said it doesn't happen. I believe you are the one who said that.
My own personal experience is that there are some things the government can cover up and some things that they can't cover up.

If anyone cares, or even wants to figure out this equation, then we could have a rough estimate of how many planets contain advanced civilizations. I hope the equation wasn't posted earilier. Anyway, I'll try my best to type it out.

N=(N*)(Fp)(Ne)(Fl)(Fi)(Fc)(FL)

where

N (number of advanced civilizations) is equal to
N*, the number of stars in the milky way galaxy, times
Fp, the fraction of those stars that have planets, times
Ne, the number of planets capable of supporting life, times
Fl, the fraction of planets suitable for life on which life actually arises, times
Fe, the fraction of planets with intelligent life that develops a technically advanced civilizations, times
FL, the fraction of time that a technical civilization lasts.

The equation was developed by Frank Drake.

I posted that just for anyone who tought we were alone. Now, go figure it out :P

If anyone cares, or even wants to figure out this equation, then we could have a rough estimate of how many planets contain advanced civilizations. I hope the equation wasn't posted earilier. Anyway, I'll try my best to type it out.

N=(N*)(Fp)(Ne)(Fl)(Fi)(Fc)(FL)

where

N (number of advanced civilizations) is equal to
N*, the number of stars in the milky way galaxy, times
Fp, the fraction of those stars that have planets, times
Ne, the number of planets capable of supporting life, times
Fl, the fraction of planets suitable for life on which life actually arises, times
Fe, the fraction of planets with intelligent life that develops a technically advanced civilizations, times
FL, the fraction of time that a technical civilization lasts.

The equation was developed by Frank Drake.

I posted that just for anyone who tought we were alone. Now, go figure it out :P

Hence the reason its called the Drake Equation.

Let's see...

You, previously: "If the govt. wanted to cover something up, they could do it. There is nothing you or anyone else could do to prevent it."

You again, just now: I never said [a failure of government cover-up] doesn't happen. I believe you are the one who said that."

We could use more people like Sumaba Buwhan in discussions like these. He is not assigning any infantile suppositions to anything he saw. He does not even presume that he saw was "real." He makes a clear distinction between fact and possibility. All he knows for sure is that he saw something for which he has no explanation. Aliens? Maybe, maybe not.




No they don't. Scientists don't "infer" anything as being true, because science is an empirical device by nature.




Really. Such as? If there's no trace or record of it, how can you possibly have heard of it?




Until they have proof, they don't believe in it. They consider it a possibility.




This example is flawed. The fact that you're able to make the connection between the assassin's killing of Kennedy and his support of Palestinians is a piece of evidence -and thus would be a failure of the cover-up, if such a cover-up had been attempted.




Reliance on personal experience is the bane of the scientific method.


Straughn, I'd like to know about the second encounter you had. It sounds very interesting.
Certainly. Sorry for my lack of punctuality, i am currently helping someone move ....
the second encounter was on Nov. 30 1998 at approximately 4.23 am until around 4.31 or so. I was asleep on my gf's couch and suddenly became aware that it was unnaturally quiet (no heater, fridge noise, etc) and was awake, feeling similar to the awake one has after a good competitive exercise (w/out the fatigue). I spent a few seconds attempting to figure out my environment when i realized that none of the street lamps were on surrounding the apartment building. I looked at her wind-up alarm clock and checked outside the back slide window. Since her apartment was perched on a bluff that overlooks a treatment facility i at least expected some lights to be on around there, but there weren't any. My gf woke up, noticing the strange feeling at the same time. Just then her fire alarm, which is of course on a battery and not the building's power, beeped a couple of times and then drained off really quickly. I thought that was a bit strange but didn't have any time to think about it. On the opposite side of her apartment was her kitchen, and the window over the sink suddenly flooded with a blurry, kinda milky white light that cast upon the floor as though not straight in through the window but from above. There's an upstairs deck above her kitchen which undoubtedly blocked some of the light. I started to make my way to the kitchen window to see what was up (maybe a bust next door or something) but as i approached a shadow moved across the window. That's when it seemed a little weird, since when the shadow moved across my vision it seemed to be jolty, like checking the timing on your car with a lamp, kinda scooting across the floor a couple of times. I got really paranoid really fast and called for my gf to get away from the back window, and just as she did a silver subaru wagon with a dark replacement hood and a single passenger came whipping past the window, and it pulled around the building into the main parking lot, which is on the side by the kitchen. I went back to the window to actually look out on the whole scene and saw this subaru parked in the lot with the guy holding something out his/her driverside window. And above the parking lot about a hundred feet up, maybe a hundred fifty feet out and away from the building was the source of the light, which at my angle didn't let me see anything but the light itself. The driver pulled his/her cargo into the car and whipped his/her head around quickly my direction, which again made me a little paranoid, although i was more interested in what was going on than i was afraid. The person in the car started up again and bolted forward, and the light snuffed out right before my gf got to the window to look directly at it. I looked around through the window, still spooked and maybe expecting something to jump out, but got the crap scared out of me only by the sound of a cop car zooming around the same loop and then sprinting off into the distance. And then, again, a good startle when the power turned back on, including the fire alarm which never should've reacted in the first place. We sat and talked about it for a while and looked around outside but it all seemed to be over. The next day a friend of my gf's stopped by, who's a dispatcher for our local police department, and i noticed she looked a bit fatigued, and some part of me knew she'd seen it. So i asked her what kept her up last night and she freaked out and ran out of the apartment. She called up later to apologize and ask why i did that ... i said i just knew. She'd been of course to her work that day and found out the whole city power grid tripped off for that time. A friend of mine later that day told me the same as he worked fielding calls for a security outfit and thought it was all probably bs until we'd coroborated.
Interesting to me, but no aliens! :(

First WOW signal to my knowledge is the namesake -
August 15 1977, and 10.16 pm, minute-long signal picked up by Big Ear and Jerry Ehman studied it. Signal strength ... 6EQUJ5 ...?

Wait, so this "shadow" was INSIDE the kitchen? And when you it was "jerky", what do you mean? Like if frames had been clipped out of a film/video?

You are not going to get empirical "proof" for everything. Thats very true, of course all I am asking for is some form of evidence, beyond wishful thinking.
Scientists believe there is life on other planets in our universe No scientists do not believe that there is life on other planets in our universe, they consider that it is possible that life exists elsewhere in our universe. The belief that something is possible does not equal the belief that something is probable. and in our solar system. But they have no proof. They infer it. .Similarly, although individual scientists may very well consider it to be possible that their is life in the solar system outside of earth, it does not follow that they think it is probable that their is life in the solar system outside of earth.
By your strigent standards, all the scientists in the world are liars even though they would know more than you. .
By what stringent standards? I didnt set any standard nor am I in a position to do so.I havent cast any or all of the scientists in the world as liars, I have simply asked for evidence or reasoning thats a little more convincing than statements of wishful thinking.
There are many things that happened in the past or that existed, all traces of which are gone. It doesn't mean those things didn't exist or never happened.
There is much more to the universe than what you can sense with your eyes, nose or ears. . Yeah , so? What does this have to do with alien contact//intelligent alien life // or lack thereof?
Scientists now believe our universe is just one of many in a vast multiverse. But they have no proof. What ? All scientists think this? Or just some scientists? How is this relevent to the "alien contact" topic of the thread?They are only guessing. According to you, since they don't have proof, they are either liars or they don't know what they are talking about. Please quote word for word from this thread where I have called anyone a liar, or where I have implied that any scientist(please name the scientist) does not know what they are talking about. All cause they can't fulfill your demand for proof that YOU can see, touch, smell, hear, and taste.
Our senses can't detect everything.

Ummm I am not quite sure where you got this idea from, after all if I had asked for proof that I could see, touch, smell, hear and taste, then I would have to have directly recieved a signal from an alien civilisation etc etc in order to have recieved this level of" proof" .
Frankly I was left a little mystified by your post...

Mass hallucinations simply don't exist. The only way you can have a case of mass hallucination, is if everyone in the entire town or city had been doing weed or pot at the same time and happened to be having the exact same illusion.
MHs are another one of those urban legends that sound good but aren't true cause they aren't possible.

Or if there is natural gas leak of No2, Methane and so on. Mass Halucination can happen and you do not hallucinate when doing pot. Unless it is laced with opium or lsd or something.

People on very strong pot, or new users, often do experience mild hallucinations. A hallucination is just a perceptive distortion of visual reality, you don't necessarily have to see concrete objects for it to be a hallucination. Even being drunk can cause extremely mild hallucinations. But, that's beside the point...

You know you guys talk alot about life on other planets. But this life is not inherently intelligent. We know life exists on mars but guess what its bacterium. Hardly intelligent and not even multicellular.
Secondly if there is intelligent life out there the chances of that life arising at all is extremely low. And even if it did it would probably be trillions of lightyears away. So unless they know exactly where we are and slipstream to us its very unlikely we have seen "them."

People on very strong pot, or new users, often do experience mild hallucinations. A hallucination is just a perceptive distortion of visual reality, you don't necessarily have to see concrete objects for it to be a hallucination. Even being drunk can cause extremely mild hallucinations. But, that's beside the point...

Then when you look at visual distortions and eye tricks you are hallucinating? If pot caused hallucinations it would be a hallucinigen... it isn't. I have never known anyone who has or has any myself. So it must be:
A) Extremely rare and you must have to smoke like 40 bowls
B) That "strong" pot was laced with something. (which is much more likely than pot caused anything)

Anything that distorts your vision is a hallucination. Magic tricks and optical illusions are mental distortions, because they take advantage of the associative natures of our minds -when an assisant walks into a box and the magician thrusts 24 swords into it, it is a trick of association. We can not actually verify that the swords are real, that the "box" is actually a box, that mirrors are not being used, that the assistant is actually IN the "box" while the swords are being thrust into it, etc. But we assume all of this to be true.

Getting back to the original point of the thread....
(has anyone else noticed that by page 3 of any thread it's usually wandered off on a tangent? So much for today's youth being able to concentrate!)
It reminds me of a story published a few years ago about a SETI dish that picked up a strange signal at approximately the same time every day that lasted for a couple of minutes. They were hugely excited until they finaly tracked the source of the magnetic radiation interference down to one of the workers heating their dinner in the microwave.

About the weird experience that Straughn had: I read a few months ago that in the US everyone near a base suddenly complained about their burglar alarms all going off (they switch on if there's a break in the power supply) and eventually the military owned up to testing a new weapon that disrupts power - for use in missile defence or stopping cars.

Wait, so this "shadow" was INSIDE the kitchen? And when you it was "jerky", what do you mean? Like if frames had been clipped out of a film/video?
Sorry took so long to respond .... helping people move.
The shadow moved right to left just outside the kitchen window. You could say it appeared like early motion picture clip jobs, not a smooth transition of movement of frames across the window pane, something like three or four solid impressions in a row and not much inbetween.

Getting back to the original point of the thread....
(has anyone else noticed that by page 3 of any thread it's usually wandered off on a tangent? So much for today's youth being able to concentrate!)
It reminds me of a story published a few years ago about a SETI dish that picked up a strange signal at approximately the same time every day that lasted for a couple of minutes. They were hugely excited until they finaly tracked the source of the magnetic radiation interference down to one of the workers heating their dinner in the microwave.

About the weird experience that Straughn had: I read a few months ago that in the US everyone near a base suddenly complained about their burglar alarms all going off (they switch on if there's a break in the power supply) and eventually the military owned up to testing a new weapon that disrupts power - for use in missile defence or stopping cars.
Yeah, the same weapon has been used in a town in Sardinia, w/in the last three months. The town is predominantly Catholic (old school) and many of them are under the impression there is some demonic force involved. It caught my eye for two reasons, one is that every single electrical incidence can be explained with a type of electrostatic interference (and i know of a pursuit along those lines), INCLUDING things that weren't actually plugged in but did have capacitors; and two, Paul Harvey mentioned in a short proximity of time to that incident that the US military had finished tests with a new kind of crowd control weapon involving current. That kinda cinched it. For more on these kinds of weapons, a guy who lives up here (Alaska) named Nick Begich (Mark Begich's brother i believe, politician of prominence in Anchorage). I have a few details but nothing super fancy. It's worth it to type up Eastlund patents and ionospheric heaters / Langmuir turbulence for reference. Or H.A.A.R.P. at least as tech goes.