NationStates Jolt Archive

*its time for Americans to wage an endless Shutup-a-thon against the Hate Media that is the core threat to the very soul of our Democracy. The Airwaves belong to THE PEOPLE and not to the corporate maggots and rightwing goons who hijacked it to shove their toxic agenda, smear jobs and brain drain propaganda down the throats of the rest of us. America is sick of their lies and is now telling Foxnews to SHUTUP

One of the day's main events was the "Fox News Shut-Up-A-Thon" where members of Code Pink and others gathered in front of the of Fox's corporate headquarters in midtown Manhattan. Filmmaker Robert Greenwald was also there. His latest film, "Outfoxed" accuses the Fox News Channel of tailoring its coverage to back President Bush.

AMY GOODMAN: Can you talk about some of the things that you found? Some of the examples? You talk about the one series of ‘shut ups’ of Bill O'Reilly though he denied that he tells people to shut up except once.

ROBERT GREENWALD: The wonderful thing about O’Reilly is that he denies it and then you show the clips and there he's saying it. We essentially found four things in Outfoxed which prove the case not that it's conservative but it's republican partisan. There's a difference. Conservative on budget, deficits, prudent foreign policy. They don't do any of that if it goes against Bush. What we found through four ways was that we have the daily memos in which they instruct people not what story to cover, but how to cover stories politically. We have fine former members of FOX news who went public for the first time and they talk about receiving specific political instructions. They're not complaining about the -- what they were paid or the food. We have the great study by FAIR of the Brit Hume show. 25 weeks, they analyzed all of the guests: 80% Republican, 20% Democrats. Then we have hundreds of thousands of clips from FOX news which has there been done before either of evidence of their consistent support and partisan line, the Republican Party.

AMY GOODMAN: Robert Greenwald, do you think that FOX has changed since this film has come out? They have attacked you for not calling FOX to be on Outfoxed.

ROBERT GREENWALD: Yes. Well, what I love about it is they attacked us because we didn't call them when I was making the movie. Of course, if I would have called them when I was make it, they could have sued to stop it. So, we finished the movie. They complained when I didn't ask them for comments. So, I said, okay we’re finished. Do you have a comment? They said, “No Comment.” Then they proceeded, Bill O'Reilly has called me a smear merchant, which I consider a proud honor and an award that I have up on my wall. We haven't seen any real change in FOX's behavior, but we expect over time to, because what we're starting to do is we're affecting the sponsors, and we're seeing an affect in that area, that's what makes most concern to FOX news is sponsors know that democrats and liberals buy cars and soap. They don't want to be identified with just one political point of view. So, we're extremely hopeful over time, and with AlterNet’s lawsuit, that we will see change.

AMY GOODMAN: What's your response to what happened to your fellow filmmaking at the Republican National Convention, John McCain singles him out. In fact, Michael Moore was there as a columnist for USA Today as the entire -- well, as many in the convention hall chanting, “four more years.” Michael Moore putting up the peace sign or at least the number two, perhaps meaning two more months, not clear, but what about that?

ROBERT GREENWALD: I'm thrilled that the Republicans are focusing on the most serious issue of the day, which is Michael Moore, rather than on terrorism, lack of jobs, lack of education, and this horrible war that's going on.

AMY GOODMAN: Robert Greenwald, director and producer of Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch’s War on Journalism. Joining thousands, the crowd swelled to thousands of people outside FOX headquarters around 48th, 49th and Sixth Avenue yesterday. One of the many direct actions through the day, as people protested FOX news. At the beginning of the protests as the crowd was swelling, Andrea Buffa, one of the coordinators of the protest was on the shoulders, sitting on the shoulders of someone, so she could be seen. She had a police megaphone to tell people to move from the sidewalk and as she was giving it back, she continued to chant in the Shut Up-A-Thon, the police immediately ripped her down off the shoulders of the person who was holding her up, and she as well as CODE Pink's Medea Benjamin were arrested, were taken away, though ultimately, they came back. This is Medea Benjamin explaining what happened.

MEDEA BENJAMIN: were put in the paddy wagon, driven around the block and they took all of my information and released me and said they would decide whether they would cite me or not.

AMY GOODMAN: Cite you for what?

MEDEA BENJAMIN: They thought I had illegally used a bullhorn because i was following Andrea Buffa who had used a bullhorn. They said it was their right to sweep up anyone they want to, whenever they want to and decide whether they want to arrest them or not?

AMY GOODMAN: Why you are here today?

MEDEA BENJAMIN: I'm so angry as the way FOX news has misrepresented what's happening in the world, what's -- what the issues are about Iraq. I want the media to tell the truth so that the American people will be better informed so we can have a real democracy in this country.

AMY GOODMAN: Why are you singling out FOX?

MEDEA BENJAMIN: Because FOX has been the worst by far. I turn on FOX and i cannot believe we allow the lies to be on the public airwaves. I think the corporate media is bad, but FOX is by far the worst.

AMY GOODMAN: On what issues?

MEDEA BENJAMIN: On the war in Iraq, but basically on every issue. I'm not a Kerry supporter, but the way they have been portraying John Kerry, I find that totally disgusting. The way they have been laughing about his time in Vietnam. The way they have been making fun of his- the issue around his purple heart. Again, I don't support Kerry, even, but I feel that the way they portray is terribly wrong. I would say just about every issue that I have seen FOX News cover, they don't cover it seriously or objectively. I have tried so hard to be on FOX. I was on Bill O'Reilly's show once and couldn't get back on the show because they don't let people like us on. They only let us once so they can make fun of us and laugh at us. They don't consider us experts. I have been to Iraq four times, Afghanistan twice. I have got advanced degrees in many things, and people like myself should be considered experts. We get to see what the real people see on the ground in places like Iraq and Afghanistan and all over the world. And yet they would rather talk to the Pentagon people as the experts. So, we say let's have balanced reporting and let’s have fair reporting. Let's put on different sides and people that actually when they go to a place like Iraq, they don't go embedded with U.S. soldiers. They go around the streets and put their lives at risk to talk to the real people.

AMY GOODMAN: That was Medea Benjamin, CODE Pink. It was 5:00 or 6:00, Tuesday afternoon outside FOX headquarters at the Shut Up-a-Thon. Five hours later, she was on the floor of the convention about 20 feet from vice president Dick Cheney and his family. Medea Benjamin there unfurled a banner that said “Pro-Life, Stop the Killing In Iraq.” She was taken away by security as she shouted, "Stop the killing in Iraq. Dick Cheney, how much money, did you make in the war today?
www.democracynow.org

Its been a while since I bother posting in one of your threads.


note: does not mean I read your post.

Double, no, TRIPLE Bump! It is truly awesome that someone with backing finally stood up to Fox News. Their coverage of the way the world perceives our actions is a joke. What's especially offensive is that they advertise how"fair and balanced" their coverage is. That's like George W. telling people he's a liberal. I really hope they lose their funding. This is what's wrong with American corporate TV monopolies.

sup MKULTRA?

I need to go see outfoxed still. FOX did a commentary program on the documentary, trying to poke holes in it. I didn't watch long enough to see if they did though.

FOX News is the only news station worth watching, the rest (cnn) are so liberal its sick

MK, this isn't an insult, but do you get your news from unbiased sources? From what I've heard, democracy.org is very very very left...

All news is distorted. Live with it. Make your own decisions, not decisions based by some news broadcast, which is just a well-read script.

I saw Outfoxed. It was a remarkable film. They had wonderful, nearly irrefutable sources and good organization and attention to detail.

It frightens me how Fox operates. To quote the entire title of the movie, Fox and its CEO, Mr. Rupet Murdoch, truely have sparked a war againt journalism.

FOX News is the only news station worth watching, the rest (cnn) are so liberal its sick
CNN? Liberal? Hardly. They're moderate at best... good for headlines, not for actual unbiased news.

If one really wants unbiased news, they should listen to NPR, the only legit news outlet.

FOX News is the only news station worth watching, the rest (cnn) are so liberal its sick

I hate it when people consider any news station that actually shows the democrats point of view a liberal news station. You don't get news from Fox News, you get propaganda.

You don't get news from Fox News, you get propaganda.

Well said.

I will mail a batch of cookies to ANYONE who can name a real* liberal that works for Fox news and is heard frequently.

*Colmes is a moderate that doesn't even stick up for his alleged liberal views.

Double, no, TRIPLE Bump! It is truly awesome that someone with backing finally stood up to Fox News. Their coverage of the way the world perceives our actions is a joke. What's especially offensive is that they advertise how"fair and balanced" their coverage is. That's like George W. telling people he's a liberal. I really hope they lose their funding. This is what's wrong with American corporate TV monopolies.

Trouble is, Fox News is owned by billonare Rupert Murdoch, who is a hard-right Conservative Nutjob.
Funding will never be an issue.

So now do you see why they are so obviously biased?

Fox news TV is no more biased than CNN TV or NPR (and they are biased, and Fox is less biased than either of the other two.) While CNN online has articles with a lot of info in them, there is still bias. If I am going to read something it will be from CNN, MSNBC, or BBC, or Gaurdian.

CNN? Liberal? Hardly. They're moderate at best... good for headlines, not for actual unbiased news.

If one really wants unbiased news, they should listen to NPR, the only legit news outlet.

Yes. Moderates grow up on organic farms and have paper mache puppets to protest the fall of saddam, and then make snarky comments about why gearge beish is dumb. :rolleyes:

The bad thing is that CNN [TV] is at least as biased as Fox TV [if not more], and yet they pose as the major neutral network[LMFAo] without anyone asking questions.

well put, correct, and yet....extremely disturbing. No wonder Fox is so out of touch. I had no idea how extensive the private funding was.

Fox news TV is no more biased than CNN TV or NPR (and they are biased, and Fox is less biased than either of the other two.) While CNN online has articles with a lot of info in them, there is still bias. If I am going to read something it will be from CNN, MSNBC, or BBC, or Gaurdian.



Yes. Moderates grow up on organic farms and have paper mache puppets to protest the fall of saddam, and then make snarky comments about why gearge beish is dumb. :rolleyes:

The bad thing is that CNN [TV] is at least as biased as Fox TV [if not more], and yet they pose as the major neutral network[LMFAo] without anyone asking questions.

I have never heard anything un unbelievably incorrect in my life. In its very essence, NPR News is more unbiased than Fox or CNN or NBC because it is publically owned, not a huge money-making corperation. They stay on air from donations by LOCAL companies.

Yet again, I ask if you can name a liberal that works for Fox.

It is interesting to see how much Fox News bothers people. Fox news has a "right" to broadcast what they broadcast and you have the "right" to watch or not to watch what ever you want.

Simple as that.

Maybe we should should introduce a "Fair and Balanced News Act" into congress that sets up a bipartisan congressional commitee that screens all news programs that are aired on TV to make sure we get fair and balanced news. ;)

As for NPR, I saw on a transcript of one of their shows that said that some of the people had paid to get on. Hrm...

And then there are psuedo-documentaries like Outfoxed that are nothing more than propaganda. I mean, I I don't want to shed a negative feeling on the show but lets not kid ourselves and be honest.

I listened to NPR.

Name me a Real Conservative that works for NPR?

I mean a real one, not some patsy like Colmes is for Fox.

One that could sit down with Limbaugh, Hannity or the like and not get spit out like a bad peice of meat.

In its very essence, NPR News is more unbiased than Fox or CNN or NBC because it is publically owned, not a huge money-making corperation.

I judge a book by its contents not its binding.
At the end of the day, there is still a select group of people selecting what to air and how to cast it on NPR, wether or not it is publically owned. When I listen to NPR, by and large, I hear bias, in terms of selective reporting and tone, towards the left.

Yet again, I ask if you can name a liberal that works for Fox.

I can't. They're all conservative. My point was that all the networks are biased, with fox news being the conservative exception. It is constantly attacked by the rest of the media because it poses a nonleft viewpoint. I find this hypocritical when looking at how CNN or ABC or Reuters are constantly selling their opinion as fact and claiming to be neutral. What's your point? You obviously think every time a conservative speaks it's propaganda, and every time a liberal speaks it's the written word of Gord. :D

Honestly I have more respect for Al Jazeera than I have for the BBC radio newscasts that get played on my local npr station. :D

Its been a while since I bother posting in one of your threads.


note: does not mean I read your post.
dont worry I dont read em either ;)

Double, no, TRIPLE Bump! It is truly awesome that someone with backing finally stood up to Fox News. Their coverage of the way the world perceives our actions is a joke. What's especially offensive is that they advertise how"fair and balanced" their coverage is. That's like George W. telling people he's a liberal. I really hope they lose their funding. This is what's wrong with American corporate TV monopolies.
foxnews is not journalism its a 24-7 endless loop of a republican campaign ad

sup MKULTRA?

I need to go see outfoxed still. FOX did a commentary program on the documentary, trying to poke holes in it. I didn't watch long enough to see if they did though.
its worth seeing--foxnews has so little credibility left it doesnt matter what they say at this point--they can say the sky is up and people will doubt them

FOX News is the only news station worth watching, the rest (cnn) are so liberal its sick
are you talken about the "liberal" Cnn that had Ralph Reed covering the Democratic convention? You must enjoy being lied to

MK, this isn't an insult, but do you get your news from unbiased sources? From what I've heard, democracy.org is very very very left...
Democracynow has a radical truth bias

MK Ultra rocked. Too bad they broke up. I have to disagree with the shut-up-a-thon idea though, seeing as it's basically about using harassment to discourage free speech, except for uber-libs. Fox news is one tv station and it's cable at that. What's the big deal?

All news is distorted. Live with it. Make your own decisions, not decisions based by some news broadcast, which is just a well-read script.
true but Foxnews goes way beyond just distorting the news--they outright LIE thru their teeth-its not news at all but the selling of a warped point of view

I saw Outfoxed. It was a remarkable film. They had wonderful, nearly irrefutable sources and good organization and attention to detail.

It frightens me how Fox operates. To quote the entire title of the movie, Fox and its CEO, Mr. Rupet Murdoch, truely have sparked a war againt journalism.


CNN? Liberal? Hardly. They're moderate at best... good for headlines, not for actual unbiased news.

If one really wants unbiased news, they should listen to NPR, the only legit news outlet.
or cspan or democracynow or airamerica and maybe a few websites--anything BUT the corporate media and foxnews liars

Democracynow has a radical truth bias

Yrs, and Fox news has a conservative truth bias. :B

Name me a Real Conservative that works for NPR?
Well, I don't know your local reporters, but there's one in the Syracuse area named... Vince I think it is, that often reports glowingly of President Bush and the handling of Iraq.

Fox news TV is no more biased than CNN TV or NPR (and they are biased, and Fox is less biased than either of the other two.) While CNN online has articles with a lot of info in them, there is still bias. If I am going to read something it will be from CNN, MSNBC, or BBC, or Gaurdian.



Yes. Moderates grow up on organic farms and have paper mache puppets to protest the fall of saddam, and then make snarky comments about why gearge beish is dumb. :rolleyes:

The bad thing is that CNN [TV] is at least as biased as Fox TV [if not more], and yet they pose as the major neutral network[LMFAo] without anyone asking questions.
theres nothing in existence more biased then foxnews--al jazeera has more integrity and objectivity then them

MK Ultra rocked. Too bad they broke up. I have to disagree with the shut-up-a-thon idea though, seeing as it's basically about using harassment to discourage free speech, except for uber-libs. Fox news is one tv station and it's cable at that. What's the big deal?

The big deal is that other people watch it and some people actually believe their "fair and balanced" slogan. Those people may base their oppinions on what they see on this channel and vote for Bush all because of lies and propaganda.

It is interesting to see how much Fox News bothers people. Fox news has a "right" to broadcast what they broadcast and you have the "right" to watch or not to watch what ever you want.

Simple as that.

Maybe we should should introduce a "Fair and Balanced News Act" into congress that sets up a bipartisan congressional commitee that screens all news programs that are aired on TV to make sure we get fair and balanced news. ;)

As for NPR, I saw on a transcript of one of their shows that said that some of the people had paid to get on. Hrm...

And then there are psuedo-documentaries like Outfoxed that are nothing more than propaganda. I mean, I I don't want to shed a negative feeling on the show but lets not kid ourselves and be honest.your wrong--foxnews does not have the right to commit false advertising by calling themselves "fair and balanced" when theyre anything BUT that and they have no right to masquerade as some kinda news outlet when they just spout the lowest form of propaganda anyone could ever be exposed to--its deceptive and its dishonest and its false advertising

I listened to NPR.

Name me a Real Conservative that works for NPR?

I mean a real one, not some patsy like Colmes is for Fox.

One that could sit down with Limbaugh, Hannity or the like and not get spit out like a bad peice of meat.
Carlson Tucker I think his name is...the one who looks like a mamas boy who wears a bowtie

or cspan or democracynow or airamerica and maybe a few websites--anything BUT the corporate media and foxnews liars

Cspan yes. CNN, democracynow or moveon, uh maybe if you pass me that kool-aid. Corporate media? Yeah corporate media sucks. We should only take our news from 'not-for-profit' third party political action groups. Let's all go check out what DU's got posted on this whole shut-up-athon. I bet they'll have pamphlets. :]

I listened to NPR.

Name me a Real Conservative that works for NPR?

I mean a real one, not some patsy like Colmes is for Fox.

One that could sit down with Limbaugh, Hannity or the like and not get spit out like a bad peice of meat.

Those guys are right wing extremists.

I think what they are trying to say is that the people on NPR are moderates.

It's hard to actually have a station or place where extremists (on both sides of the spectrum) can both express their views and be given equal and fair chances to support their reasoning.

Therefor, I think the point is that the people on NPR and CNN are "moderates", not right wing or left wing extremists... This doesn't mean they have a "left bias" it means they lack a "right bias" (and a "left bias" as well).

I judge a book by its contents not its binding.
At the end of the day, there is still a select group of people selecting what to air and how to cast it on NPR, wether or not it is publically owned. When I listen to NPR, by and large, I hear bias, in terms of selective reporting and tone, towards the left.



I can't. They're all conservative. My point was that all the networks are biased, with fox news being the conservative exception. It is constantly attacked by the rest of the media because it poses a nonleft viewpoint. I find this hypocritical when looking at how CNN or ABC or Reuters are constantly selling their opinion as fact and claiming to be neutral. What's your point? You obviously think every time a conservative speaks it's propaganda, and every time a liberal speaks it's the written word of Gord. :D

Honestly I have more respect for Al Jazeera than I have for the BBC radio newscasts that get played on my local npr station. :D
all stations may have their leanings but Foxnews Bias is off the charts--theres NO comparison. Foxnews takes bias to a whole other dimension PLUS they outright lie and just make things up out of thin air--NO other station does that

Carlson Tucker I think his name is...the one who looks like a mamas boy who wears a bowtie
He's on Crossfire. And out of all the conservatives on television, he's relatively sane. Not one of those neo-nazis like Bill O'reily or Sean Hannity or Ann Coulter.

MK Ultra rocked. Too bad they broke up. I have to disagree with the shut-up-a-thon idea though, seeing as it's basically about using harassment to discourage free speech, except for uber-libs. Fox news is one tv station and it's cable at that. What's the big deal?
telling Foxnews to shutup is the PERFECT response to Foxnews censorship of alternative points of view. Foxnews has vastly lowered the standards of journalism to the point where democracy itself is under siege in america

The big deal is that other people watch it and some people actually believe their "fair and balanced" slogan. Those people may base their oppinions on what they see on this channel and vote for Bush all because of lies and propaganda.

Don't worry about it. Most Americans are not as dumb as tom brokaw or MKULTRA want you to think they are. No one watching fox news could fail to understand that it comes from a conservative viewpoint. My only question is why is the left so worried about one conservative cable station. Do they feel the left media have fabricated a reality which is too easy to shatter or is their programming just that bad?

Yrs, and Fox news has a conservative truth bias. :B
not even--Foxnews is just an arm of the RNC--theyre not conservatives so much as partisan braindead party hacks for the GOP--maybe someone should file a complaint to the Federal Elections commission against them

telling Foxnews to shutup is the PERFECT response to Foxnews censorship of alternative points of view. Foxnews has vastly lowered the standards of journalism to the point where democracy itself is under siege in america

Ah, yes, and we all know fox news has such a far reaching grasp on all the umpteen billion local, regional, national and international news sources available to americans on a daily or instantaneous basis. As for the lowering standards of journalism, ask the new york times about their most recent fiction writers, or for more reference, watch the movie "Shattered Glass."

Cspan yes. CNN, democracynow or moveon, uh maybe if you pass me that kool-aid. Corporate media? Yeah corporate media sucks. We should only take our news from 'not-for-profit' third party political action groups. Let's all go check out what DU's got posted on this whole shut-up-athon. I bet they'll have pamphlets. :]
Foxnews is just the altar ego of the rabidly partisan Rupert Murdoch--it cannot legitamately be called a news station at all. CNN is trying to outfox fox by being as conservative as them and democracynow and moveon may have their own bias but they dont outright lie and use a barrage of endlessly repeated spin slogans to rape the truth the way Foxnews does. Foxnews isnt just biased its out and out PROPAGANDA-they even talk like robots

not even--Foxnews is just an arm of the RNC--theyre not conservatives so much as partisan braindead party hacks for the GOP--maybe someone should file a complaint to the Federal Elections commission against them

Okay, my mind's open. Do you have proof that the RNC is connected with fox news, besides rupert mudoch being conservative, O'reilly being republican, or them actually not cramming every slur possible against the standing president in whatever news item of the day?

Don't worry about it. Most Americans are not as dumb as tom brokaw or MKULTRA want you to think they are. No one watching fox news could fail to understand that it comes from a conservative viewpoint. My only question is why is the left so worried about one conservative cable station. Do they feel the left media have fabricated a reality which is too easy to shatter or is their programming just that bad?
the fact that you even believe in a leftwing media is proof itself of how insidious rightwing lies on Foxnews and hate radio are

Okay, my mind's open. Do you have proof that the RNC is connected with fox news, besides rupert mudoch being conservative, O'reilly being republican, or them actually not cramming every slur possible against the standing president in whatever news item of the day?
yes go to FAIR.ORG--its been documented to death

There is no such thing as a person without an opinion or personality, except in some mundane utopian socialist fantasy. Left bias exists. Get over it.

I give up. It's 3am and I find this emoticon quite appropriate; :headbang: . You win. Have a party. :gundge: :D

http://www.fair.org/activism/fox-commission.html
Absolute truth from the political action pack.

your wrong--foxnews does not have the right to commit false advertising by calling themselves "fair and balanced" when theyre anything BUT that and they have no right to masquerade as some kinda news outlet when they just spout the lowest form of propaganda anyone could ever be exposed to--its deceptive and its dishonest and its false advertising

Oh I am wrong am I? Well... you have no right to say I am wrong on a public forum because it is obviously a lie.

If the foul filth that is pornography is protected by our beloved constitution (and allowed to in some cases masquerade as art and gets funded by the NEA) then infact Fox News DOES have the right to air what they want. It might be wrong or immorral, which the standards in todays society are disturbingly revative, but if you don't like it don't watch it.

No matter if you agree with the message and you thing the idea was good, the psuedo-documentaried like Outfoxed and Farenhiet 9/11 are deceptive and a fairly low form of propaganda themselves (the film makers make no atempt to portray a fair and balanced look at the issue). They use sensationalism and emotion to cause others to act in a way they approve. I smell Orwellian tactics.

Welcome to the dark side.

Welcome to the dark side.

Welcome to the dark side? He is the moderator over there. ;)

I really hope they lose their funding. This is what's wrong with American corporate TV monopolies.
well put, correct, and yet....extremely disturbing. No wonder Fox is so out of touch. I had no idea how extensive the private funding was.

You're not living in America, are you?

ALL our media is privately funded, except National Public Radio (NPR) and the Public Broadcasting System (PBS), which receive *some* of their funding from the government. And both those networks lean somewhat to the left.

The only way Fox could "lose its funding" is for their advertisers to stop buying commercial time on Fox, and that will *not* happen, because Fox draws the most viewers, BY FAR.

Anyone who is a conservative or a moderate should not bother posting on these boards because they are so liberal they can not tolerate another persons opinion.

all stations may have their leanings but Foxnews Bias is off the charts--theres NO comparison.
You're right, there is no comparison. Fox News is SLAYING all the other networks in the ratings. Face it, Fox News is being chosen over the other networks, and the only way the left knows to fight against Fox is by trying to take that choice away (i.e., censorship).
Foxnews takes bias to a whole other dimension PLUS they outright lie and just make things up out of thin air--NO other station does that

*cough* NBC *cough* SUV rollovers *cough*

Anyone who is a conservative or a moderate should not bother posting on these boards because they are so liberal they can not tolerate another persons opinion.

Amen, brother!

But I do so love stirring up the sheeple and making them bleat loudly! :D

I agree with you Galtania

You're not living in America, are you?

ALL our media is privately funded, except National Public Radio (NPR) and the Public Broadcasting System (PBS), which receive *some* of their funding from the government. And both those networks lean somewhat to the left.

The only way Fox could "lose its funding" is for their advertisers to stop buying commercial time on Fox, and that will *not* happen, because Fox draws the most viewers, BY FAR.

Adapts there coverage based on who they think will donate. If the veered suddenly right, the people who donate now would stop donating. That's why National Public Radio, not a member station, has anything to the right of Noam Chomsky.

Take Nova, look at the pseudo-science crap they spew these days compared with the hard science and tech they did in the past. They have started imitating the insanely popular and drecky Discovery Channel and their ilk to make sure they got funding.

Just a different model of getting money out of people for giving them what they want.

ANY news source is tainted, the question is: "Will you drink the Kool-aid?"

*its time for Americans to wage an endless Shutup-a-thon against the Hate Media that is the core threat to the very soul of our Democracy. The Airwaves belong to THE PEOPLE and not to the corporate maggots and rightwing goons who hijacked it to shove their toxic agenda, smear jobs and brain drain propaganda down the throats of the rest of us. America is sick of their lies and is now telling Foxnews to SHUTUP

Yeah. To the tune of two million primetime viewers.

Double, no, TRIPLE Bump! It is truly awesome that someone with backing finally stood up to Fox News. Their coverage of the way the world perceives our actions is a joke. What's especially offensive is that they advertise how"fair and balanced" their coverage is. That's like George W. telling people he's a liberal.

He is actually somewhat left on the American political spectrum; moreso than Kerry at any rate, being as he is pro-gun control, pro economic protectionism, pro increased spending, pro ridiculously poorly thought out medicaid programmes and so on.

But I do so love stirring up the sheeple and making them bleat loudly!

Just so you know, there's a reason Something Awful took the mickey out of the word "sheeple" so much.

Free speech does not mean protecting the ability of news sources to lie, intentionally omit facts or to posit news in an overly emotive manner unless it is clearly stated that the media in question is intended purely as a ridiculously inane entertainment or opinion piece. As such, nuts to Fox.

Anyone who is a conservative or a moderate should not bother posting on these boards because they are so liberal they can not tolerate another persons opinion.
What is liberal?

liberal as in those that can tolerate other peoples opinions or ones that are so extremly liberal they cant tolerate anybody beleiving the opposite view.

liberal as in those that can tolerate other peoples opinions or ones that are so extremly liberal they cant tolerate anybody beleiving the opposite view.
Was that a question?

Anyway, I was asking for your definition of liberal.

And being unable to tolerate others viewpoints is not exteme liberalism just bloody-mindedness.

There is no such thing as a person without an opinion or personality, except in some mundane utopian socialist fantasy. Left bias exists. Get over it.

I give up. It's 3am and I find this emoticon quite appropriate; :headbang: . You win. Have a party. :gundge: :D

http://www.fair.org/activism/fox-commission.html
Absolute truth from the political action pack.
But Fox goes WAY beyond bias and into the realm of deliberate pre-meditated propaganda that even Goebbels would admire

You're not living in America, are you?

ALL our media is privately funded, except National Public Radio (NPR) and the Public Broadcasting System (PBS), which receive *some* of their funding from the government. And both those networks lean somewhat to the left.

The only way Fox could "lose its funding" is for their advertisers to stop buying commercial time on Fox, and that will *not* happen, because Fox draws the most viewers, BY FAR.
you may wanna start putting that in the past tense soon

Anyone who is a conservative or a moderate should not bother posting on these boards because they are so liberal they can not tolerate another persons opinion.
theyre tolerated theyre just proven wrong on a daily basis

You're right, there is no comparison. Fox News is SLAYING all the other networks in the ratings. Face it, Fox News is being chosen over the other networks, and the only way the left knows to fight against Fox is by trying to take that choice away (i.e., censorship).

I agree that the sensationalistic lies and smears of Foxnews will always be sexier then the boring truth but theyre still guilty of false advertising by pretending to be a legitamate news outlet instead of the party apparatchiks that they are-I dont want to censor them I just demand Truth in Advertizing--its those on the right who are into censorpship cause theyre the ones who monopolize the media and drown out progressive voices. Liberals arent even allowed to work for Foxnews, if thats not censorship I dont know what is

liberal as in those that can tolerate other peoples opinions or ones that are so extremly liberal they cant tolerate anybody beleiving the opposite view.
FALSE--its the right who can only win thru censorship since they cant debate the issues but have to distort them like your doing now. The rightwing media is the one that demonizes leftwing opinions and monopolizes the media not the left

All you have to do is change the channel and ignore it. It seems so hard for anyone nowadays to do that.......

According to Drudge Report (www.drudgereport.com) , Fox News had more viewers than NBC, CBS or ABC during Tuesday's airing of RNC. Therefore this means that the traditional, conservative America is finally waking up or people just enjoy Fox News more.

Note, O'Reily and Hannity aren't even close to Neo-Nazis. They're more right-winged than most but not like that. In fact, the far right even boycotted the RNC for having too many moderates and Democrat Zell Miller speak. By the way, What do you consider Communist?

I also find it funny how Republicans never sit and protest at liberal events. Maybe they realize how that time can be used for more important things such as making money.

All you have to do is change the channel and ignore it. It seems so hard for anyone nowadays to do that.......

According to Drudge Report (www.drudgereport.com) , Fox News had more viewers than NBC, CBS or ABC during Tuesday's airing of RNC. Therefore this means that the traditional, conservative America is finally waking up or people just enjoy Fox News more.

Note, O'Reily and Hannity aren't even close to Neo-Nazis. They're more right-winged than most but not like that. In fact, the far right even boycotted the RNC for having too many moderates and Democrat Zell Miller speak. By the way, What do you consider Communist?

I also find it funny how Republicans never sit and protest at liberal events. Maybe they realize how that time can be used for more important things such as making money.
changing the channel doesnt work because the poison of Foxnews has spred to all the other networks on TV.Its easy for Foxnews to have all these viewers when they are what you call a MONOPOLY, but the people are denied a real choice and thats the real issue here.Hannity is most definitely a neo-nazi whereas O'Reilly is just a congential liar. Bush is only airing moderates at the convention because hes trying to mask his rightwing extremism from sensible voters. A communist is someone like Bush who believes in socialism for the rich and capitalism for the working class. Republicans do protest they just do it in a different way--like hijacking the media and monopolizing it so that only one warped worldview gets aired--and I realize republicans are obsessed with making money, the problem is when they do it in the parasitical manner that they do--at the expense of the people and NOT for the benefit of society and the overall economy

So you're saying that NBC, BBC, MSNBC, CNN and etc are slowly being poisoned by Fox News? For one, they are all owned by different companies. If Republicans monopolized television, Little House on the Prairie and the 700 Club would be on the main networks during primetime and Dan Rather and Peter Jennings would be out of work.

When communist revolutions occur, all of the rich people are killed and their money and property goes to the new government and things thought to be good for the people are done without their consent and done to the extreme. Socialism for the rich? C'mon this isn't the China/Hong Kong "one nation two systems" thing. Socialism's main objective is to create a classless but better off society by enlisting the public's help. Most of the rich people in America made their money because of the American capitalist system. If Bush was socialist, there'd be high taxes. He sure as hell not Communist. Therefore, you have a worldview that is just as warped.

It is funny how nobody opposes CNN or MSNBC which are clearly liberal news brodcasters. FoxNEWS however now has higher ratings than either of these.
So now that one of the most prominent Right-wing news brodcasters is rising in the ranks... everyone seems to be opposed to it, that sounds biased to me...

As I read this, I first ask myself a question-"Why do you read a MKULTRA post?" I have no real answer to that, but I will respond anyway. Ok, first of all, Liberals on Fox News, umm Colmes never agrees with a conservative issue, just as Hannity never agrees with a liberal one. Greta Van Sustern is also very liberal.
Next, MKULTRA gets his info from his unbaised sites like the DU and the other liberal site he always posts from, and what he hears on Air America. Then he calls foxnews biased. Hmmm lets see whats wrong with that statement. A mix on conservatives and liberals on foxnews, compared to all far far left liberals on those sites.
MKULTRA, you say that Communism is socialism upperclass and captilist lowerclass, and clames Bush does that. Well you are wrong. Communism is everybody the same, with the lazy and hardworking getting the same amount. Bush is definly against that.
How can you get mad at Rupert Murdoch, when the founder of CNN is Ted Turner? He was married to Jane "treator" Fonda who was the same anti-war person as Kerry, both of them going to the same protests, sitting behind each other at a pacifist rally at Valley Forge, where I live 3 miles from.
Chris Mathews worked for Clinton, he is much more liberal than Orielly is conservative. Bill tries to hard to be in the middle that it gets annoying. I am guessing many of you have not watched alot of Foxnews, but just believe what far left "documentaries" tell you. Fox News may be slightly conservative, but it is greatly over exagarated, and it looks bad because every other major media(including NPR) is very liberal.
MKULTRA-you are just spewing out left wing retoric, and it makes me sad that you cant find your own reasons to support something besides throwing out generalizing and mostly false statements with absolutely no facts to support it.

It is funny how nobody opposes CNN or MSNBC which are clearly liberal news brodcasters. FoxNEWS however now has higher ratings than either of these.
So now that one of the most prominent Right-wing news brodcasters is rising in the ranks... everyone seems to be opposed to it, that sounds biased to me...
thats because CNN (which had Ralph Reed host the dem convention) and MSNBC (which fired Donahue for opposing the war) are in no capacity liberal at all but conservative-- so viewers being deprived of a true liberal station would prefer to tune in to the most sensationalistic foaming at the mouth conservative station like Foxnews for lack of any true alternative--having no choices but conservative corporate pablum and Foxnews hysteria is the Ultimate bias of all. We need a level playing field in the media

As I read this, I first ask myself a question-"Why do you read a MKULTRA post?" I have no real answer to that, but I will respond anyway. Ok, first of all, Liberals on Fox News, umm Colmes never agrees with a conservative issue, just as Hannity never agrees with a liberal one. Greta Van Sustern is also very liberal.
Next, MKULTRA gets his info from his unbaised sites like the DU and the other liberal site he always posts from, and what he hears on Air America. Then he calls foxnews biased. Hmmm lets see whats wrong with that statement. A mix on conservatives and liberals on foxnews, compared to all far far left liberals on those sites.
MKULTRA, you say that Communism is socialism upperclass and captilist lowerclass, and clames Bush does that. Well you are wrong. Communism is everybody the same, with the lazy and hardworking getting the same amount. Bush is definly against that.
How can you get mad at Rupert Murdoch, when the founder of CNN is Ted Turner? He was married to Jane "treator" Fonda who was the same anti-war person as Kerry, both of them going to the same protests, sitting behind each other at a pacifist rally at Valley Forge, where I live 3 miles from.
Chris Mathews worked for Clinton, he is much more liberal than Orielly is conservative. Bill tries to hard to be in the middle that it gets annoying. I am guessing many of you have not watched alot of Foxnews, but just believe what far left "documentaries" tell you. Fox News may be slightly conservative, but it is greatly over exagarated, and it looks bad because every other major media(including NPR) is very liberal.
MKULTRA-you are just spewing out left wing retoric, and it makes me sad that you cant find your own reasons to support something besides throwing out generalizing and mostly false statements with absolutely no facts to support it.Both Colmes and Greta van Sustern are confirmed wishy-washy moderate CENTRISTS which is why Foxnews picked them, to give a false illusion that conservatives are stronger-no TRUE liberal is allowed to work at Foxnews in any capacity cause they would too easily puncture all the lies and spin that the rightwing gasbags on Foxnews are trying to promote under orders from Der Fuhrer Murdoch who tolerates NO DISSENT.So... there is NO mix of libs and cons on Foxnews at all only a mix of hard right, right and a sprinkling of wishy washy centrist mods who know their place.Bush favors the lazy getting special rights and benefits and he punishes the hardest workers in America so your correct he may not be a communist at all--more like a classic robber-baron.Chris Matthews is a political whore who 9 times outta 10 is spouting conservative crap so hes not liberal at all either. Is it too much to ask for ONE REAL liberal on the corporate media? Bill O'reilly is nowhere near the middle-hes a disingenous liar and a republican hack to the bone.Foxnews is VIRULENTLY rightwing republican and NPR leans somewhat to the Left but the rest of the media is Center-right to conservative. There is NO liberal presence in the media that comes anywhere close to the over-representation that reactionarys have and that is an undisputable FACT. All I want is a level playing field and REAL liberals not Centrists who only appear liberal cause the other side is just slighty to the right of Attila the Hun

MKULTRA, another question for you. Do you realize that your refusal to recognize any news sources other than Air America and DemocracyNow.org, and a few other sources of the same type makes you the liberal equivalent of a conservative who only accepts the Drudge Report and NewsMax as credible sources?

MKULTRA, another question for you. Do you realize that your refusal to recognize any news sources other than Air America and DemocracyNow.org, and a few other sources of the same type makes you the liberal equivalent of a conservative who only accepts the Drudge Report and NewsMax as credible sources?
But those conservatives can also watch Foxnews---wheres the liberal equivalent of a Foxnews for balance?

But those conservatives can also watch Foxnews---wheres the liberal equivalent of a Foxnews for balance?

Imagine, if you will, that this fictional conservative I've likened you to doesn't accept Fox News, for whatever reason. The point is that this conservative is only accepting news from sources that will never put out anything proving him wrong. And that's exactly what you're doing.