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http://nytimes.com/2004/08/30/international/europe/30france.html


PARIS, Aug. 29 - A day after a militant Islamic group holding two French journalists in Iraq demanded that France revoke a law banning Muslim head scarves in public schools, the French government vowed on Sunday not to compromise its national ideals as it pleaded for their release.

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What's this? The terrorists are turning on one of their most sympathizing countries? Europe, let this be a lesson to you. Terrorism is about power and bullying. It's not about the US, it's not about GWB, it's not about some noble crusade against Western values, it's about radicals who cannot and will not be stopped except by the use of force.

Please wake up and realize that Islamic terror is a threat to the ENTIRE WORLD.

Just because France didn't support the immediate invasion of a nation that had no Al Qaeda ties and posed no immediate threat to the outside world, that means that they're allied with Bin Laden?

Get a clue.

Do you have a problem with reading comprehension?

Just as I thought; none of the Eurosocialists on this forum will touch the topic since it goes against everything they believe and cling to.

Wow, you are ignorant. Ignored.

France decided to enforce its right to not allow hats, etc on heads. All schools have this I think as a code.

The Islamic extremist thought that they were being targeted only since they forgot others like Jews can't wear their caps.

France isn't a ally of them, France is just neurtal like the Swiss. Not for us or against.

It's sad, but what many fail to realize here is that France has dealt with terrorism on its shores for the past decade.

I do not agree with their choice to ban all ostentatious (read: visible) religious symbols, but I applaud their decision thus far not to give in to demands.

Was that much of the criticism from France was about "unnecessary war" and then as you see, the only way to deal with these types of fascist fanatics ios to exterminate them, you can;t negotiate with them, they don;t recognize anything but their own religion, the rest are infidels that have to die. i, for one, feel it would be better for the world if they did, and they were never legitimized by negotiation or UN studies and debates.

Was that much of the criticism from France was about "unnecessary war" and then as you see, the only way to deal with these types of fascist fanatics ios to exterminate them, you can;t negotiate with them, they don;t recognize anything but their own religion, the rest are infidels that have to die. i, for one, feel it would be better for the world if they did, and they were never legitimized by negotiation or UN studies and debates.

But thankfully, nobody listens to your opinion and believes you, because you're a moron ;) :)

Was that much of the criticism from France was about "unnecessary war" and then as you see, the only way to deal with these types of fascist fanatics ios to exterminate them, you can;t negotiate with them, they don;t recognize anything but their own religion, the rest are infidels that have to die. i, for one, feel it would be better for the world if they did, and they were never legitimized by negotiation or UN studies and debates.

I don't believe anyone here had a problem comprehending Buns' thesis; the problem with "exterminate them all" is that the cowards hide among the innocent Muslim community, who suffer when "extermination" raids take place, which in turn leads to more terrorists. (They killed my father, I'll avenge him!)

fascist? hail muhammad? I dont see how fascism is related to islamic extremist holding french jounalists.

Perhaps Commie? ;)

Wow, you are ignorant.
Took the words out of my mouth. What a moron.

Just as I thought; none of the Eurosocialists on this forum will touch the topic since it goes against everything they believe and cling to.
Because, genius, most of us, except for me, are vast asleep around 4:18 AM.

Just as I thought; none of the Eurosocialists on this forum will touch the topic since it goes against everything they believe and cling to.

Islamofascist, Eurosocialist...you got your own little dictionary happening there, dontcha? ;)

Here's one for you - Amerimperialist :)

(P.S. I'm not from Europe, just so you don't look (even more) foolish when you reply and assume I am. ;)

http://nytimes.com/2004/08/30/international/europe/30france.html


PARIS, Aug. 29 - A day after a militant Islamic group holding two French journalists in Iraq demanded that France revoke a law banning Muslim head scarves in public schools, the French government vowed on Sunday not to compromise its national ideals as it pleaded for their release.

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What's this? The terrorists are turning on one of their most sympathizing countries? Europe, let this be a lesson to you. Terrorism is about power and bullying. It's not about the US, it's not about GWB, it's not about some noble crusade against Western values, it's about radicals who cannot and will not be stopped except by the use of force.

Please wake up and realize that Islamic terror is a threat to the ENTIRE WORLD.

The banning of symbols of religious affiliation in schools was too little, too late. When France has at least 4-5 million muslims in their country, now they ban it. Perhaps they should have engineered a sensible immigration policy in the first place, one which would have limited an unprecedented influx of North African immigrants in the last 30 years.

France used to be a great country, and culturally is still miles ahead of the United States (which doesn't have a real culture after all), but they have made the same mistake as the U.S. Too many immigrants in too short a period of time to be able to assimilate.

France used to be a great country, and culturally is still miles ahead of the United States (which doesn't have a real culture after all), but they have made the same mistake as the U.S. Too many immigrants in too short a period of time to be able to assimilate.

Dont dabble in what you dont understand. The USA has a rich cultural history which is very confederated by region and largely obscured by widespread apathy of the arts and commercial art taking over the mainstream using horrific, formulated "entertainment" for a quick buck. The latter gets exported around the world and makes us all look bad. But come here and you will notice assimilation is a relative term and rich mixes of values and artistic endeavours tend to occur in all forms with roots in all nations. Just because the USA has a short history doesnt mean it cant have a real culture, in fact, it imported many good traits from other nations. You will find fine american films, books, paintings, and musical scores if you bother to look, and you will also find many people who prefer high culture over the mainstream meeting at opera houses and concert halls.

France decided to enforce its right to not allow hats, etc on heads. All schools have this I think as a code.

The Islamic extremist thought that they were being targeted only since they forgot others like Jews can't wear their caps.

France isn't a ally of them, France is just neurtal like the Swiss. Not for us or against.

Close.

France decided to pass, then enforce, a new law forbidden all religious paraphenalia in public schools. This includes not only the head scarf and the kippot (yamuka) but also the crucifix and anything else similar.

This was done for the cowardly reason of not being bothered to deal with the more serious issues of cultural intolerence.There had not been any problems previously with crucifixes and kippotim, but with the war on terror and the rise of european antisemitism (in either definition) it was seen as good for the public order to force muslim females to assimilate, and to pretend that it was not targetted at a certain population by giving it an all-inclusive wording. In addition it excludes expressions of jewish and christian identity, perhaps deminishing anti-judaic sentiments but without dealing with any root causes.

France is not an ally of or sympathizer with terrorists. Well... like Cheney's Hallibuton, companies from France and Germany and Russia and others have engaged in underground commerce with forbidden nations. So that makes them about as much allies of terrorists as the U.S.A., which funded the Mujah Hadin through the C.I.A., thus helping birth the Taliban and Al Queida. France and the rest also refused to support a war against a non-terrorist dictatorship which it has been ultimately proven to have been based on lies, but that's not supporting terrorists either.