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Am I the only one who finds sex ed almost completely goddam useless? I don't even mean abstainance (which is absurd, but we don't have that so much here), I just mean some things that'd be slightly more useful that cross-section diagrams of ovaries and stuff.

Am I alone in this?

Did you see the sex education scene in Monty Python's "The Meaning Of Life?" :D

I agree with you, Spoffin. Sex ED is pointless, and besides, the internet is a much better resource on how to learn how to fuck... surprising as that may be, heh.

Am I the only one who finds sex ed almost completely goddam useless? I don't even mean abstainance (which is absurd, but we don't have that so much here), I just mean some things that'd be slightly more useful that cross-section diagrams of ovaries and stuff.

Am I alone in this?


Those diagrams ain't very useful, if you want sex ed from a book, you'd have to go out and by your own book.

I agree with you, Spoffin. Sex ED is pointless, and besides, the internet is a much better resource on how to learn how to fuck... surprising as that may be, heh.For practical advice, certainly.

Did you see the sex education scene in Monty Python's "The Meaning Of Life?" :D
Yes, that's hilarious.

"Er, its an occarina sir"

Those diagrams ain't very useful, if you want sex ed from a book, you'd have to go out and by your own book.
The Kama Sutra for instance.

Anyway, sex ed shouldn't be education on the sexual organs, but a class where you learn how to have sex, and hopefully one would be able to choose their sex partners. >: D!

some things are just best learned "hands on"

it makes the adults feel good to make you take those classes. just humor them and try not to make the teacher cry.

Anyway, sex ed shouldn't be education on the sexual organs, but a class where you learn how to have sex, and hopefully one would be able to choose their sex partners. >: D!


Are you obsessed with having sex dude?

Anyway, sex ed shouldn't be education on the sexual organs, but a class where you learn how to have sex, and hopefully one would be able to choose their sex partners. >: D!

lets hope its a 50/50 split of boys and girls then

In my opinion, Sexual Education should cover the following topics:


A review of the concept of sexual reproduction (as it should have been covered in basic Biology: basic genetics and evolutionary theory).
The relevant aspects of human anatomy and physiology.
The stages of arousal and the sex act, itself.
Gestation (a.k.a. pregnancy), including the developmental stages of a fetus.
Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs) and their specific modes of transmission (and there's more than just HIV/AIDS out there). This should include a little bit about symptoms. (Not so mush that you're qualifying to become an MD, but enough that you're not completely clueless.)
Forms of contraception. (Abstinence should be included, here, but should not be the only thing taught.)
A discussion of the financial costs of raising a child (wouldn't be too far off-topic, here).
Sociopolitical issues regarding sex.
Abortion, and the psychlogical, medical, and sociopolitical issues involved.


Sex Education, in my opinion, should drive across the point "Yeah, sex can be good, but it has consequences. Whatever your political stance, you cannot be thoughtless about it."

"Think about it for a moment."

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
Founder and Delegate of The Realm of Ambrosia

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Are you obsessed with having sex dude?
Isn't everyone? :D

--The Jovial States of Cogitation
"Laugh about it for a moment."
NationStates Self-Proclaimed Court Jester

In my opinion, Sexual Education should cover the following topics:


A review of the concept of sexual reproduction (as it should have been covered in basic Biology: basic genetics and evolutionary theory).
The relevant aspects of human anatomy and physiology.
The stages of arousal and the sex act, itself.
Gestation (a.k.a. pregnancy), including the developmental stages of a fetus.
Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs) and their specific modes of transmission (and there's more than just HIV/AIDS out there). This should include a little bit about symptoms. (Not so mush that you're qualifying to become an MD, but enough that you're not completely clueless.)
Forms of contraception. (Abstinence should be included, here, but should not be the only thing taught.)
A discussion of the financial costs of raising a child (wouldn't be too far off-topic, here).
Sociopolitical issues regarding sex.
Abortion, and the psychlogical, medical, and sociopolitical issues involved.


Sex Education, in my opinion, should drive across the point "Yeah, sex can be good, but it has consequences. Whatever your political stance, you cannot be thoughtless about it."

"Think about it for a moment."

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
Founder and Delegate of The Realm of AmbrosiaI was thinking more along the lines of
Where the clitoris is
How to undo a bra
How to persuade a difficult guy to wear a condom
Practical things like this, cos, while the other stuff is good, if you can't undo a bra, you're not gonna get there really.

lets hope its a 50/50 split of boys and girls then

If it isn't, grab a partner fast. LOL.

Isn't everyone? :D

Cog, you dirty little monkey! BAD!

I see no problem with teaching Abstinence .

Undoing a bra is what woman know how to do, why should we teach boys how to be devious.

I see no problem with teaching Abstinence .

Undoing a bra is what woman know how to do, why should we teach boys how to be devious.

Saves money on damaged bras. :D

If it isn't, grab a partner fast. LOL.
Hey man, there are other options out there. Don't knock it 'til you try it!

Saves money on damaged bras. :D
Also, and while I'm aware that its not rocket science, if you have never done it before or never been taught to do it, it does become a rather fumbling, two-hands-and-a-flashlight kind of job.

I was thinking more along the lines of
Where the clitoris is
How to undo a bra
How to persuade a difficult guy to wear a condom
Practical things like this, cos, while the other stuff is good, if you can't undo a bra, you're not gonna get there really.

A friend of mine was once a part of teaching a class that was more practical in this type of sense. It wasn't in a public school, of course, but it was a class for minority girls (who statistically have more problems with STDS, unwanted pregnancies, etc.)

One of the things they taught was how to put a condom on with your mouth. The idea was, that if your man didn't want to wear a condom, he might be easier to convince if he feels like even putting it on is getting a little action. =)

I see no problem with teaching Abstinence .

Undoing a bra is what woman know how to do, why should we teach boys how to be devious.
Abstinence is fine, but in combination with other things as well.

Hey man, there are other options out there. Don't knock it 'til you try it!

Tried it. I'll knock it if I want to.

And just because I say 'grab a partner fast' doesn't mean I'm anti-gay. Maybe there are too many girls in the class. Heh.

lol sex ed class was fun. I read gaming magazines through the entire class and and got 90s on the tests without even listening to the teacher once. And I get threatened by all the girls who were going to have there boyfriends beat me up because I indirectly and directly called all the girls sluts in the class anytime they started complaining about guys.

Hey man, there are other options out there. Don't knock it 'til you try it!


sorry I know where I stand, hetroville

A friend of mine was once a part of teaching a class that was more practical in this type of sense. It wasn't in a public school, of course, but it was a class for minority girls (who statistically have more problems with STDS, unwanted pregnancies, etc.)

One of the things they taught was how to put a condom on with your mouth. The idea was, that if your man didn't want to wear a condom, he might be easier to convince if he feels like even putting it on is getting a little action. =)
See, thats what I'm talking about. Useful advice, AND is connected with safe sex.

Tried it. I'll knock it if I want to.

And just because I say 'grab a partner fast' doesn't mean I'm anti-gay. Maybe there are too many girls in the class. Heh.
If there were too many girls AND an odd number of students, you'd want to be placed last probably, so that you go in a group of three. :D :D

Either that, or you'd be paired with the teacher. :eyeswide:

Yeah, I think LG is right actually.

bump

In my fictional nation, having sex before age 18 = castration/legs sewn up. An exception is made for rape.

In my fictional nation, having sex before age 18 = castration/legs sewn up. An exception is made for rape.

D:

In my fictional nation, having sex before age 18 = castration/legs sewn up. An exception is made for rape.
:eek:

Are you obsessed with having sex dude?
They say that the average male thinks about sex every 45 seconds. I do not stop thinking about it, save for when I sleep.

Same thing as I've thought,Cog...

I was thinking more along the lines of
Where the clitoris is
How to undo a bra
How to persuade a difficult guy to wear a condom
Practical things like this, cos, while the other stuff is good, if you can't undo a bra, you're not gonna get there really.

Heh..I agree with you..girls seem to rather appreciate that.Anyways.


lol,Myrth.

They say that the average male thinks about sex every 45 seconds. I do not stop thinking about it, save for when I sleep.


Every forty-five seconds? Bah. More like every twelve sec...

*grins and drifts off*

...uh, what was I saying?

Every forty-five seconds? Bah. More like every twelve sec...

*grins and drifts off*

...uh, what was I saying?
>: )

Am I the only one who finds sex ed almost completely goddam useless? I don't even mean abstainance (which is absurd, but we don't have that so much here), I just mean some things that'd be slightly more useful that cross-section diagrams of ovaries and stuff.

Am I alone in this?

Do you mean practical, as in more hands-on? :D

In my fictional nation, having sex before age 18 = castration/legs sewn up. An exception is made for rape.

No! Please do not do that to me! *cries loudly*

In England if kids get pregnant the parents blame the schools for not giving them Sex Ed lessons so we had to get them. They weren't much use but we had a good laugh. Those videos were hilarious!

I want to pose a question here, on which I have no opinion myself. I just want to see it debated. MATURELY, please.

Should how to pleasure oneself be discussed as an alternative means of satisfying the sexual drive, before marriage?

They gave us a 2-day sex-ed class in 6th grade, about 3 years ago for me.

A lot of it was useless, I mean, I really didn't need to waste my time watching this kid ask his friends (this was on a video) where did babies come from, and all his friends OBVIOUSLY pretending they knew. He went home and asked his mother, of all people. The kid looked around 10. I knew about sex since age 8. Kids talk about it from that age up, I fail to see how that kid could not have known.


But a lot of it was informative. For instance, I did not know that the egg/sperm latched onto the wall...thingie...god I forgot the name. Anyway, I also didn't know about periods until then.

Damn, I've only known that stuff for 3 bloody years.

I want to pose a question here, on which I have no opinion myself. I just want to see it debated. MATURELY, please.

Should how to pleasure oneself be discussed as an alternative means of satisfying the sexual drive, before marriage?

yes
and it should be taught as a means of exploring your own sexuality before inflicting it on someone else

girls need to learn how to have an orgasm
boy need to learn how not to have one (so quickly)

I'm curious also what people think of this proposal on a moral level. I am expecting lots of conflicting opinions here, and I want to see how people argue their cases.

Do any fellow guys here get "hit on" by really ugly, shallow girls (i put it in quotes cause they really dont have any feelings for you and they're only doing it as a joke) who wear too much makeup?

It seems to happen a lot to me - and if I ended up getting in a class w/a lot of those girls, a more practical sex ed would be hell for me . . . that's not to say I don't have attractive female friends, yet many of em are Catholic and prolly stick to celibacy (actually I think that's great, cause that way they don't get messed up by STDs)

I think that sex ed should include the following:
* basic sexual anatomy
* forms of protection
* how to put on a condom, both guys and girls
* what to do if you are pregnant ie: who to call and decisions


Then there should be a second class, a parenting class, which adds to the sex ed class.
* raising a child
* the costs
* how both are responsible

They gave us a 2-day sex-ed class in 6th grade, about 3 years ago for me.

A lot of it was useless, I mean, I really didn't need to waste my time watching this kid ask his friends (this was on a video) where did babies come from, and all his friends OBVIOUSLY pretending they knew. He went home and asked his mother, of all people. The kid looked around 10. I knew about sex since age 8. Kids talk about it from that age up, I fail to see how that kid could not have known.


But a lot of it was informative. For instance, I did not know that the egg/sperm latched onto the wall...thingie...god I forgot the name. Anyway, I also didn't know about periods until then.

Damn, I've only known that stuff for 3 bloody years.

I think I've seen that movie.

I want to pose a question here, on which I have no opinion myself. I just want to see it debated. MATURELY, please.

Should how to pleasure oneself be discussed as an alternative means of satisfying the sexual drive, before marriage?

Yes. Masturbation is a good thing.

I think sex education is important. I mean, people are sexual beings. Sex is a big part of what we are. We should know understand all the bells and whistles.

Are the religious split on this matter? I've always wondered if it's only the conservatives that have problems with the idea of masturbation (reason being--for instance--that not all Christians see homosexuality as a sin), or if it's widespread.

Are the religious split on this matter? I've always wondered if it's only the conservatives that have problems with the idea of masturbation (reason being--for instance--that not all Christians see homosexuality as a sin), or if it's widespread.

I think Catholism considers it a mortal sin (total WAG), and I consider it immoral.

I am pretty sure that Catholism is the only one with a "policy" on it.

"Total wag"--does this mean "stupid"?

I want to pose a question here, on which I have no opinion myself. I just want to see it debated. MATURELY, please.

Should how to pleasure oneself be discussed as an alternative means of satisfying the sexual drive, before marriage?
Yes.MATURE posts only.let us mass-debate the issue........(D'oh!)

"Total wag"--does this mean "stupid"?


WAG:

Wild Ass Guess

You must be a great master-debater. *rimshot*

Seriously... I've learned everything I know from my friends. I never had sex-ed :rolleyes:

Here's an example of one scene in a sex ed film I saw in 5th grade. It was called... "Growing Up" or some lame ass name. It was made by some random tampon company and of course, I saw the version for guys. Who's seen a Christmas Story? It was like that in the sense that it was narrated by some weird 30 year old describing events he had as a kid. Here's the example:

Narrator: We got up on the stands for class pictures... I stood next to <Insert name of ugly girl> who I had a big crush on.

Photographer: *Behind the camera* Okay, big smiles everyone!

Narrator: Then, I had an.. *With hint of mild shock* AN ERECTION!

Narrator as kid: *Looking down at crotch* OH NO!

*Pictures taken*

My obvious reaction was... WTF?

An erection?! Wow! Can I see?!

Heh... that would be funny down here.

In my opinion, Sexual Education should cover the following topics:


A review of the concept of sexual reproduction (as it should have been covered in basic Biology: basic genetics and evolutionary theory).
The relevant aspects of human anatomy and physiology.
The stages of arousal and the sex act, itself.
Gestation (a.k.a. pregnancy), including the developmental stages of a fetus.
Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs) and their specific modes of transmission (and there's more than just HIV/AIDS out there). This should include a little bit about symptoms. (Not so mush that you're qualifying to become an MD, but enough that you're not completely clueless.)
Forms of contraception. (Abstinence should be included, here, but should not be the only thing taught.)
A discussion of the financial costs of raising a child (wouldn't be too far off-topic, here).
Sociopolitical issues regarding sex.
Abortion, and the psychlogical, medical, and sociopolitical issues involved.


Sex Education, in my opinion, should drive across the point "Yeah, sex can be good, but it has consequences. Whatever your political stance, you cannot be thoughtless about it."


Actually, my Health class last year (11th grade) covered just about all of that stuff, as well as other health-related things other than sex.

Here's an example of one scene in a sex ed film I saw in 5th grade. It was called... "Growing Up" or some lame ass name. It was made by some random tampon company and of course, I saw the version for guys. Who's seen a Christmas Story? It was like that in the sense that it was narrated by some weird 30 year old describing events he had as a kid. Here's the example:

Narrator: We got up on the stands for class pictures... I stood next to <Insert name of ugly girl> who I had a big crush on.

Photographer: *Behind the camera* Okay, big smiles everyone!

Narrator: Then, I had an.. *With hint of mild shock* AN ERECTION!

Narrator as kid: *Looking down at crotch* OH NO!

*Pictures taken*

My obvious reaction was... WTF?
Picture of a erection rules, at least it was funny.

Actually, his erection was more of a... lump.

I think Catholism considers it a mortal sin (total WAG), and I consider it immoral.

I have come to the conclusion that sex in or outside of marriage should not be considered "sin." However because of its potential to give life and the very, very deep feelings associated w/it, I say that the RCC adopt a new position, one that asks Catholics to treat sex with respect, rather than blasphemising (sp?) it

In my opinion, Sexual Education should cover the following topics:


A review of the concept of sexual reproduction (as it should have been covered in basic Biology: basic genetics and evolutionary theory).
The relevant aspects of human anatomy and physiology.
The stages of arousal and the sex act, itself.
Gestation (a.k.a. pregnancy), including the developmental stages of a fetus.
Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs) and their specific modes of transmission (and there's more than just HIV/AIDS out there). This should include a little bit about symptoms. (Not so mush that you're qualifying to become an MD, but enough that you're not completely clueless.)
Forms of contraception. (Abstinence should be included, here, but should not be the only thing taught.)
A discussion of the financial costs of raising a child (wouldn't be too far off-topic, here).
Sociopolitical issues regarding sex.
Abortion, and the psychlogical, medical, and sociopolitical issues involved.


Sex Education, in my opinion, should drive across the point "Yeah, sex can be good, but it has consequences. Whatever your political stance, you cannot be thoughtless about it."



actualy i got a class like that..... In College! i do wish that they'd taught it more comprehesivly at an earlyer point.

My sex ed class never covered things like
"So,you think your cousin is pretty hot?"

Well, I agree with the Vatican's stance on sex outside of marriage, because of the consequences of sex. (btw, I am also against abortion unless the baby threatens the life of the woman, and in some cases, rape)

If you have sex, you must accept the consequences.

My sex ed class never covered things like
"So,you think your cousin is pretty hot?"

And that God it did not.

Well, I agree with the Vatican's stance on sex outside of marriage, because of the consequences of sex. (btw, I am also against abortion unless the baby threatens the life of the woman, and in some cases, rape)

If you have sex, you must accept the consequences.

And what exactly are the consequences, provided you use condoms?
Being smiten by God because you are evil? No, Sir!
STDs? Nope, not likely.
Kids? See above.
Emotional attachment to another person? Most likely, but what is wrong with that?
Fun? Check.
More likely to enjoy sex with your spouse later? Check.
Not seeing sex as something that has to be "endured" (mostly for women)? Check.

Besides, what would be "some" cases of rape for you? Is there good rape and bad rape?

What sex ed consisted of at my school:

- Two worksheets wherein you were assigned to label the reproductive anatomy of males and females
- A video explaining the mechanics of erections, conception, and birth
- Numerous videos spitting out cheesy, entirely useless information on how to say no to sex
- A small section of a textbook explaining various STDs
- At least four different sentences of that same textbook imploring the reader to save sex until marriage

Everyone knows about condoms and contraception now, but it sure wasn't from school!

What sex ed SHOULD consist of, in my opinion:

- A brief overview of anatomy
- A thorough explanation of how that anatomy works together through the entire reproductive process, from arousal to the birth of a child, preferably including the roles and names of hormones involved
- A good (not textbook-dry) explanation of the various known STDs
- Statistics on STD transmission and teen pregnancies and their detrimental effects
- "Comfort explanation", as awkward as it is to listen to, of menstruation, spontaneous erections, wet dreams, etc.
- In-depth explanation of condoms and other contraception, especially stressing the effectiveness of each, the fact that other contraception does not prevent STDs, and to always read and exactly follow the directions
- Some gentle urging toward abstinence
- USEFUL information on how to say no to sex, and how to know if you're ready
- Some (neutral) mention of masturbation
- An environment or system that allows everyone's questions to be answered, in case they're wondering something not taught in the general curriculum.

This coming from a 14-year-old, you might want to listen.

And what exactly are the consequences, provided you use condoms?
Being smiten by God because you are evil? No, Sir!
STDs? Nope, not likely.
Kids? See above.
Emotional attachment to another person? Most likely, but what is wrong with that?
Fun? Check.
More likely to enjoy sex with your spouse later? Check.
Not seeing sex as something that has to be "endured" (mostly for women)? Check.

Besides, what would be "some" cases of rape for you? Is there good rape and bad rape?

I do not agree with the "No condoms" thing, but I DO agree with the no-sex-outside-of-marriage rule. Condoms are not failsafe, and I personally feel it is immoral.

And I should have worded the "in some cases of rape" line better. I'm still battleing with myself on whether it is right or not.

With the baby there, it is like being raped every day, but there's still a little voice saying it is still life. Do you have any idea what I am talking about?

Those diagrams ain't very useful, if you want sex ed from a book, you'd have to go out and by your own book.
The Kama Sutra for instance.


A proper translation of the kama sutra would be a good sex ed book. Too bad it's either a "here's a bajillion positions" version or an expurgated translation. Here's a good translation. (http://www.bibliomania.com/2/1/76/123/frameset.html)

I do not agree with the "No condoms" thing, but I DO agree with the no-sex-outside-of-marriage rule. Condoms are not failsafe, and I personally feel it is immoral.

And I should have worded the "in some cases of rape" line better. I'm still battleing with myself on whether it is right or not.

With the baby there, it is like being raped every day, but there's still a little voice saying it is still life. Do you have any idea what I am talking about?

What's up with the 'no sex out of marriage'-thing? Do you really mean that you are prepared to take the risk of ending up with a partner that you have terrible sex with, that has desires you do not share with him/her, etc.
Sex is an important part of a good marriage and therefore i think it is important not to wait untill you are married. If, let's say a man to be stereotypical, is almost insatiable or is a huge fan of SM or sodomy this will cause a lot of trouble with a woman that just wants good old fashioned sex from time to time (I'm being extreme here).

OK, two bits:
I'm the child of a OB/GYN nurse and grew up spending a lot of time in the office where she works. Not only is that a pretty intense sex-ed class, but it is a great form of birth conrol to boot. :eek:

That said: all the charts, boring mecanics, etc.... it was all designed to promote abstance. The though was if you reduce it to a mechanical process and give them all the dry details, it will loose it's appeal. You will stop seeing the naked body of your partner and see those horrible diagrams.


I don't think it works very well though.......

I was in Utah for the end of elementary school and my junior high career (half of 4th grade-9th grade), and we had two stages of sex ed.

One was a "maturation" day in 6th grade where the boys and girls got split up and learned about puberty, but only for their own gender. Which was pointless, for me anyway, I'd grown up in a somewhat 'free' home, and I'd spent time overseas in Europe. Went to nude beaches when I was like 4 or 5 or something. So it wasn't a big deal. Most of my friends agreed. Though, we did spend the next few weeks trying to get the girls to tell us what their version was like. Didn't work. ><

The second sex ed class was part of a required health class in 9th grade. Every friday was devoted to a work book with sex ed. What it was made up as follows:

--1 page of 5 inch x 5 inch drawings of the anatomy at the end of the book (never got there).
--Something like 30-40 pages of word searches, little boxes with helpful sayings like "Pet your dog, not your date" (along with helpful picture of a boy petting his dog, if you couldn't figure it out), and discussion activities for parents.
--Not one word of birth control. Maybe one or two pages on the consequences.

It was awful. Basically it was abstinence ed. "Here's what you kids got. Don't use it. Because we said so, that's why." *slap* "Horny bastards."

well, that was my take on it anyway, heh.

Sorry if this sounds kind of stupid, but what the heck IS the Kama Sutra anyway? It sounds Indian, but other than that I have no clue.

Sorry if this sounds kind of stupid, but what the heck IS the Kama Sutra anyway? It sounds Indian, but other than that I have no clue.

Fabled book beloved especially by adolescent males (at least in pictorial form where you get images of couple, tasteful in some editions andgratiuitous in others), and basically one big (if archaicly-styled) sex manual. Not all of it is as relevant, there's bits about courtesans that might scale Ok to the present day world of escorts or somesuch, but I pity the person who follows all the recipes for potions and "perforates his lingam" as per instructions... :)

I think that sex ed should include the following:
* basic sexual anatomy
* forms of protection
* how to put on a condom, both guys and girls
* what to do if you are pregnant ie: who to call and decisions
Thats pretty much what I got at school. I think it was done to a pretty good standard.

The best sex ed teachers in the world are prostitutes. They know the true value of condoms and other forms of birth control. They can show you first hand where the magic pleasure spots are and even give you some good pointers as to some good techniques. They can even teach you all about foreplay. And possible the best part of all is that they give actual sexual experience. I don’t want any 80 year old councilor teaching my kids about sex. I want to know that they’re getting a good quality education. And I want them to get it from a professional.

The only time someone actually learns something about sex..

is when they get an STD, then they understand the dangers of STD and that they should protect themselves against it.

The only time someone actually wants to learns something about sex...

is when they aren't satisfying their partner or they aren't be satisfied by their partner.