NationStates Jolt Archive

OK, so anyway, I was like: GOTTA STUDY FOR BIG HISTORY OF THEOLOGY TEST FOR TOMORROW! But then i was like, "Before i study i might as well waste my mind away with the crap on tv. So just my luck, it happened to be the first day of the GOP convention. Score! So i sat down hoping to hear how the GOP would fix the crapy education system, or how to fix the record number of people in poverty, or the downfall of the economy, or the enviorment, or millions of people without jobs, but i was wrong. ( now i look back and wonder why i actually thought they would talk about that seeing that they caused most of it in the first place) All they talked about was TERROR!!!! NO MORE TORTURE CHAMBERS! (cough cough Abu-Graib) NO MORE MASS GRAVES! (cough cough 10,000 plus iraqi civilians killed) SEPTEMBER 11TH! (cough cough, don't use the deaths of our people as a reelection tool) AMERICA IS SAFER!!! (cough cough I dont know about you but I dont feel safer because one man is in jail.) So anyway, i got bored and fell asleep. Thus i did poorly on my test. GOP is the SUXORS!!

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The lesson is...never try

What were you expecting from the Republicans, opptimism, hope, peace of mind? Saddam is in jail and that isn't "so damn" useful any more. Besides, Bush admitted had he known about how the war would turn out up to this point, he would have done the same thing. That's scary because he would have just sent hundreds of US soldiers and thousands of Iraqi civilians to their death anyways. I know I don't feel any safer and I'm not even an American,

I thought Kerry said that knowing what he knows now, he would have voted for the war. Bush might have said the same thing and I missed it, but I want you to know Kerry is just as "bad" as Bush, as you'd see it.

You're not supposed to feel safer - Saddam was not your sworn enemy.

I thought Kerry said that knowing what he knows now, he would have voted for the war. Bush might have said the same thing and I missed it, but I want you to know Kerry is just as "bad" as Bush, as you'd see it.

You're not supposed to feel safer - Saddam was not your sworn enemy.

Kerry said no such thing. Congress did not vote to go to war, they voted to give the President authority to declare. This is fact.

Now, and we only have Kerry's word and the word of many Democrats for this next bit, the President promised to use this authority only as a last resort, and only after gaining the support of the international community.
Kerry stands by this vote, though, because he believes that, as a diplomatic tool, already having authority to immediately attack would give the impression of strength and would give Saddam considerably less wiggle room.

It sounds reasonable to me. It may not be 100% truth, but what in politics is? What is verifiably a lie is this repeated assertion that Kerry voted to go to war and would vote to go to war again. Read what was actually said, instead of your inane talking points. Consistently misquoting someone is a clear sign of the weakness of your point.

"Only after gaining the support of the international community?" Either you're saying that the President fulfilled a promise, or you're insulting the following nations:

USA
Great Britain
Australia
Israel
Poland
Denmark
Italy
Japan
Portugal
Romania
Czech Republic
Azerbaijan
Bulgaria
Georgia
Estonia
Hungary
Kazakhstan
Latvia
Lithuania
Macedonia
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Philippines
Slovakia
Ukraine
Singapore
Dominican Republic
South Korea
Nicaragua
Mongolia
Albania

By the way, here are some fun facts: Columbus really did discover America, America is not a threat to world peace, Reagan really did take down the Soviet Union, and Kerry really did vote for war and say he'd do it again.

"Only after gaining the support of the international community?" Either you're saying that the President fulfilled a promise, or you're insulting the following nations:

USA
Great Britain
Australia
Israel
Poland
Denmark
Italy
Japan
Portugal
Romania
Czech Republic
Azerbaijan
Bulgaria
Georgia
Estonia
Hungary
Kazakhstan
Latvia
Lithuania
Macedonia
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Philippines
Slovakia
Ukraine
Singapore
Dominican Republic
South Korea
Nicaragua
Mongolia
Albania

By the way, here are some fun facts: Columbus really did discover America, America is not a threat to world peace, Reagan really did take down the Soviet Union, and Kerry really did vote for war and say he'd do it again.

Oh, and the Vinland settlements are just made up? Strike one fact. America is not a threat to world peace? I don't think that is really something that could be stated as fact. It's really an opinion. Do I believe America is a threat personally? I'm undecided. Certainly we do somethings to help, and some things to hurt. It is naive to claim otherwise.

As for your last claim, it's wrong. Sorry. You can repeat it as much as you like, it doesn't make it truth. The facts in the public records disagree with you.

Finally, I'm not insulting those countries you listed. Other than the British, who in that list has provided significant support to the effort? How many actually have armies? How much money did countries like Latvia contribute? Do their populations support the war as well? Your shrill trumpeting of them as being the support of "the international community" is disingenuous, to say the least. How much more support, including actual troops and money, would we have gathered if we had done a better job and not pissed off our more powerful allies by rushing into war and making disparaging and divisive comments?

What is verifiably a lie is this repeated assertion that Kerry voted to go to war and would vote to go to war again.

As for your last claim, it's wrong. Sorry. You can repeat it as much as you like, it doesn't make it truth. The facts in the public records disagree with you.


"If the U.S. role in Vietnam was barbaric, our motivations hate and fear, why, 31 years later, did John Kerry vote for war in Iraq?

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/wfbuckley/wfb20040125.shtml


.......charging that Kerry first voted for the war then voted against funding it. Even some Democrats are angry that Kerry voted to authorize war, and the mainstream press has in many cases oversimplified the issue and therefore furthered the myth that Kerry is indecisive or unstable....

http://www.thousandreasons.org/opinion/080104.html

Senator Kerry's vote for war in Iraq shows that peace movement is not sufficiently popular and radical.
Senator Kerry's vote proves that the war-mongers
are on top.

http://boston.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/8980/index.php

When Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., cast his vote in favor of the Senate resolution authorizing military force against Iraq in October 2002...

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/debrasaunders/ds20040720.shtml

Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq. (Oct 2002)

http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/John_Kerry.htm#War_+_Peace

In his 1985 memoir about the war, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap wrote that if it weren't for organizations like Kerry's Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Hanoi would have surrendered to the U.S. — according to Fox News Channel war historian Oliver North. That's why, [North] predicted, the Vietnam War issue "is going to blow up in Kerry's face."

Wait, you're quoting convicted criminal Ollie North?

Oh, and who spearheaded the investigation into Iran-Contra in the face of overwhelming Rebuplican opposition? John F Kerry.

Oh, and you also postied nothing that disproves the difference between "Voting for Authority" and "Voting to go to war."

"Only after gaining the support of the international community?" Either you're saying that the President fulfilled a promise, or you're insulting the following nations:

USA
Great Britain
Australia
Israel
Poland
Denmark
Italy
Japan
Portugal
Romania
Czech Republic
Azerbaijan
Bulgaria
Georgia
Estonia
Hungary
Kazakhstan
Latvia
Lithuania
Macedonia
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Philippines
Slovakia
Ukraine
Singapore
Dominican Republic
South Korea
Nicaragua
Mongolia
Albania

By the way, here are some fun facts: Columbus really did discover America, America is not a threat to world peace, Reagan really did take down the Soviet Union, and Kerry really did vote for war and say he'd do it again.


Ok, the first non-aborignial born in North America was the son of a viking and was born in Newfoundland, Canada on a settlement on it's northern shore. That same group eventually left Canada and ended up in modern day New England, hundreds of years before Columbus. America isn't a threat to world peace unless another terrorist attack happens and Bush continues to isolate his allies. I'll Reagan the benefit of the doubt, although the citizens of the Soviet Union hated the Communist bitches too. Kerry did vote for war, although I never heard the second part, which can't be said for President Bush. Bush has isolated allies though, and if you disagree, you are yourself insulting the following nations:

Russia
Germany
France
Greece
Canada
Sweden
Finland
Thailand
India