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The True legacy of the facist pig known as Rudy

MKULTRA
01-09-2004, 01:17
*This interview exposes the True face of the monster that is Giuliani-the face our corporate-pig facist media likes to ignore while they mythologize yet another unamerican nazi into being the exact opposite of what he really represent in the real world

AMY GOODMAN: Your response to Rudolph Giuliani’s address last night?

JACK NEWFIELD: I felt I was watching a bait and switch operation at a masquerade ball. The Republican Party has moved so far to an extremist right position, they needed Giuliani to make it look moderate and mainstream. And this is – made me a little dizzy. It gave me vertigo to see such a distortion of reality, because those of us who lived here under Rudy Giuliani, we saw him trash the first amendment by refusing -- trying to de-fund a museum for hanging a picture. He didn't approve of it. We saw him scapegoat the homeless and we saw him racially divide the city. He is not really a moderate except on social issues like abortion rights, gay rights, immigrants and gun control. He is basically a right winger on most issues, but the Republican Party needed the illusion of his moderation tied to the bogus notion that he was the hero of 9/11, when all he did was do his job. He didn't pull anybody out of the rubble. He didn't climb up the stairs and carry anybody down on his back like a firefighter. He didn't dig for bodies in the wreckage like a lot of construction workers and volunteers did. He just did his job. On September 10, 2001, he had a 40% approval rating. He was being laughed out of town. He was flaunting his adultery with his soon to be third wife, and suddenly, because he stood in front of a camera for a week after the atrocity of 9/11, he re-invented himself.

AMY GOODMAN: As I left the convention last night, after Rudolph Giuliani’s speech, I was walking up to Times Square along 8th avenue and I passed the Wakamba Lounge. That was --

JACK NEWFIELD: I went into that lounge two days after Patrick Durisman was killed in front of it.

AMY GOODMAN: That was March, 2000.

JACK NEWFIELD: Yes.

AMY GOODMAN: Yes there is history before 2001. Specifically, can you explain who Patrick Durisman was and the role that Rudolph Giuliani played in his death?

JACK NEWFIELD: I think Patrick Durisman's death by the police and Giuliani’s reaction to it was the absolute low of his eight years of mayor. Patrick Durisman was an unarmed New Yorker of color. Undercover cops profiled him as maybe someone who was selling drugs. They went up to him and tried to buy drugs from him. He was insulted.

AMY GOODMAN: He was a security guard.

JACK NEWFIELD: He was a security guard who was hostile to drugs. There was a fight, and he was killed by plain clothes police officers, and this was just, I think, a few weeks after the police officers who killed Amadu Dialo were acquitted in a trial held in Albany because the defense lawyers were able to maneuver it out of the Bronx where a jury would have been 80% or 85% black and Latino, so they got an ignorant jury in Albany and acquitted him. I think tensions were high over the acquittal of these four cops who killed Durisman when this happened. Giuliani, instead of waiting a few days to find out what actually happened, what the facts are --

AMY GOODMAN: He actually warned New Yorkers not to come to a conclusion right away.

JACK NEWFIELD: For about 12 hours. Then he, himself, leaped to a conclusion, and illegally released Patrick Durisman's juvenile arrest record, said he had marijuana in his system, by leaking illegally an autopsy report, which is what got me the next day -- Jimmy Breslin and I went to the Wakamba Lounge together just to get a sense of it. And it's a pothead's bar. You can smell pot all over the place. He probably -- the marijuana that he allegedly had in his system was probably secondhand smoke. Half of the people at the bar seemed to be smoking pot. He had come out of it. And it hit me, this is second hand marijuana smoke. There's Giuliani violating his own promise of, you know, no rush to judgment, and patient analysis of the facts, trashing this dead man who cannot defend himself.

AMY GOODMAN: Dominic Carter of New York 1 now challenged the mayor saying that Patrick Durisman was no altar boy, because in fact Patrick Durisman was an altar boy.

JACK NEWFIELD: Yes. And went to Bishop Lockland high school.

AMY GOODMAN: This elite Catholic high school-

JACK NEWFIELD: --that Giuliani himself had gone to. Giuliani got everything wrong and was unfair and stomped on a dead guy killed by his police department for no good reason. He was killed for saying no to drugs.

AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to Jack Newfield, he is a long-time New York reporter, and has written a book, The Full Rudy: The Man, the Myth, the Mania. As people were streaming out of Madison Square Garden, and I was asking them what was the highlight of the night. One after another said, America’s mayor, America's mayor. What about New York City and how it fared under Rudolph Giuliani, as you continue to talk more specifically about what happened here?

JACK NEWFIELD: I think you have got to remember when Giuliani ran for mayor in 1989 for the first time as a liberal. He lost to David Dinkins. Then he ran in 1983 as someone who was more conservative and got elected. His first term was okay. Then he became a raving anti-black extremist in the second term, bashing the homeless, cutting services to the poor, racially dividing the city. I felt the racial atmosphere in the city began to get better the minute Giuliani left city hall.

AMY GOODMAN: You wrote a piece a few months ago, Jack Newfield, called Bush to City, "Drop Dead."

JACK NEWFIELD: In The Nation magazine.

AMY GOODMAN: Your first sentence was that Giuliani has treated New York City like the battered wife who still gets displayed for photo ops and state dinners. Talk about New York City under President Bush?

JACK NEWFIELD: Under President Bush, New York City is -- has not gotten its just, fair, necessary level of funding in every area -- housing, education, but most -- you know, most luridly and dramatically in homeland security. We are the biggest terrorist target in the world. We were attacked in 1993, and again in 2001. And New York state ranks 49th in the country in homeland security funding. The first bit of budget making, there were seven cities, including New York and Washington that got the money, but then homeland security under Bush and tom ridge became a pork barrel program like highways. And now they're at 80 cities that get a share of the funding. Cheyenne, Wyoming, gets more per capita funding than New York City. It's as if the Cheyenne rodeo is as big a terrorist target than Yankee Stadium or the subway system or the United Nations. Time and again, many people have made the point that New York is getting cheated on homeland security funding, and nothing changes. Bush and Ridge blame the congress, which is not right. They are the ones who are under funding New York. And they are letting places like New Haven and Louisville and Cheyenne get more per capita homeland security funding for anti-terrorist preparations than New York City, the number one target in the world, already twice hit. This is so cynical to -- I mean, you have to -- we have been, like, battered three times. First Bush failed to protect us, the F.B.I. and the C.I.A. did not -- did nothing, the F.A.A. didn't do its job. We were hit. Then he has cheated us out of our rightful share of funding and now, he's using us as a prop for this convention. He's here because of 9/11. Giuliani spoke because he was able to convert himself into America’s mayor after 9/11. So, it’s a triple bogey against New York City.

AMY GOODMAN: Jack Newfield, New Yorkers, do you think, will hold a view that people here have of the Bush administration and of Mayor Giuliani is understood in the country? Do you think that the media presents a different picture than people here on the ground have in

JACK NEWFIELD: No, I think nationally and internationally, New Yorkers know it, it's unfriendly to Bush . The world saw more than half a million people march here on Sunday. New York City in polls that I have seen, Bush is getting 27% of the vote in New York City. He's hated here.

AMY GOODMAN: The firefighter, Beckwith, the man that --

JACK NEWFIELD: From Long Island, the retired firefighter.

AMY GOODMAN: That President Bushdraped his arm around a few days after September 11.

JACK NEWFIELD: In the pre-staged photo op.

AMY GOODMAN: Why don't you explain that. Last night in looking at the video of President Bush, we saw, you know, his going to ground zero, but explain that.

JACK NEWFIELD: On September 14, the president came to ground zero, and I think in a prearranged moment, put his arm around a retired long island firefighter. That became the iconic picture of Bush embracing New York City, even though the guy was not an active duty firefighter, did not live in New York City. I think Karl Rove positioned him for that photo op.

AMY GOODMAN: Given the treatment of firefighters afterwards, I understand this firefighter was not very pleased with President Bush ?

JACK NEWFIELD: That I don't know. I haven't seen him, really, disown or disavow his symbolic role. You know, most New York City firefighters and police officers are protesting because the republican Mayor Bloomberg has refused to give them a contract, has refused to give them a raise. They're very alienated. I marched on Sunday from 14th street up to 34th street and every time I saw a cop, I knew. I said, you guys deserve a raise. This overtime for today is not enough. And they were very angry about not getting their contract, and their fair share of the salary.

AMY GOODMAN: Oddly, at some moments during various protests over the last few days, as there have been confrontations between protesters and police and police have cracked down very hard on the protesters, when things got quite tough, sometimes you would hear the protesters chanting, give the cops a raise. Give the cops a raise.

JACK NEWFIELD: I think that was very shrewd. It's true and fair.

AMY GOODMAN: I want to thank you for being with us. Jack Newfield is a long-time reporter.

JACK NEWFIELD: Pleased to be here

AMY GOODMAN: In New York. His book is called, The Full Rudy: The Man, the Myth, the Mania.
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Superpower07
01-09-2004, 01:21
Calm down, MKULTRA!!! I'm a liberal and I RESPECT THAT MAN!!!
MKULTRA
01-09-2004, 01:33
Calm down, MKULTRA!!! I'm a liberal and I RESPECT THAT MAN!!!
then you must not be a new yorker and had to live thru his reign of terror firsthand but relied on the corporate media for all your fantasyland impressions of him--its discusting the way this nazi who had a bunker on the 23rd floor of the WTC revived his dead political career on the bodies of those who died in the WTC
The Black Forrest
01-09-2004, 01:34
I sorta respect him

He lost points by sticking his face in our elections "Vote for my Buddy Bill Simon...."
Superpower07
01-09-2004, 01:35
then you must not be a new yorker and had to live thru his reign of terror firsthand but relied on the corporate media for all your fantasyland impressions of him

Jerk - MY FATHER WORKS IN A BUILDING RIGHT NEXT TO GROUND ZERO!!! :mad:
MKULTRA
01-09-2004, 01:37
I sorta respect him

He lost points by sticking his face in our elections "Vote for my Buddy Bill Simon...."
if you lived in NY and saw his true legacy firsthand youd have no respect at all for him--in fact his latest crimes against humanity in recent years has been his killing and torturing of homeless kids in Mexico City Mexico
The Black Forrest
01-09-2004, 01:37
Come on now.

You have to give him some respect points especially when he handed back that check to that Saudi after commenting we desereved 9/11.
MKULTRA
01-09-2004, 01:40
Jerk - MY FATHER WORKS IN A BUILDING RIGHT NEXT TO GROUND ZERO!!! :mad:
and what is this imaginary heroism regarding Rudy and 911? Did he save anyones life there? Did he run into burning buildings or search thru the rubble for the bodies? Did he do ANYTHING other then his job and posing for the cameras standing on the bodies of the victims trying to gain political capital from a national tragedy?
MKULTRA
01-09-2004, 01:42
Come on now.

You have to give him some respect points especially when he handed back that check to that Saudi after commenting we desereved 9/11.
that was real helpful--turning away money that victims familys coulda used just so Rudy can look like a hero himself. What a parasitical opportunist-It wasnt his place to return that check it didnt belong to him
Superpower07
01-09-2004, 01:54
that was real helpful--turning away money that victims familys coulda used just so Rudy can look like a hero himself. What a parasitical opportunist-It wasnt his place to return that check it didnt belong to him

So you're saying we should have accepted money from that Saudi who said that we deserved 9/11??? PLUS THE SAUDI ROYAL FAMILY IS A BUNCH OF CORRUPT LUNATICS!!! Why accept money from THEM????
Enodscopia
01-09-2004, 01:57
Lets not even respond to MKULTRAs lies.
Trotterstan
01-09-2004, 02:01
well the post is too long for me to read on account of my lazy attitude to life in general but i am guessing I agree with MKULTRA. Giuliani was the guy who sttarted off the zero tolerance thing right? If i am corerct in thinking that then i wish nothing but bad things for him because that is one of the most inhumane policies I have ever heard of.
MKULTRA
01-09-2004, 03:11
So you're saying we should have accepted money from that Saudi who said that we deserved 9/11??? PLUS THE SAUDI ROYAL FAMILY IS A BUNCH OF CORRUPT LUNATICS!!! Why accept money from THEM????
I realize the Saudi royal family are pure scum who were just giving us that money cause they were guilty that they funded the terrorist but Rudy still coulda taken the check and then spat in his face
MKULTRA
01-09-2004, 03:13
Lets not even respond to MKULTRAs lies.
then you can respond to my truths
MKULTRA
01-09-2004, 03:14
well the post is too long for me to read on account of my lazy attitude to life in general but i am guessing I agree with MKULTRA. Giuliani was the guy who sttarted off the zero tolerance thing right? If i am corerct in thinking that then i wish nothing but bad things for him because that is one of the most inhumane policies I have ever heard of.
you would be correct, as usual
Formal Dances
01-09-2004, 03:25
then you can respond to my truths
Guiliani for President :D

SHUT UP MKULTRA! If you were half as smart as you think you are, then you'll be twice as smart as you really are!

If you believe what this crap, then you really are a lost cause! As for responding to your truths, I believe that I knocked you out of the ring on numerous occassions.

I respect Rudy. I love that he lowered crime in the city. I love that NYC Prospered under Rudy. If you can't see that then I feel sorry for you.
MKULTRA
01-09-2004, 03:29
Guiliani for President :D

SHUT UP MKULTRA! If you were half as smart as you think you are, then you'll be twice as smart as you really are!

If you believe what this crap, then you really are a lost cause! As for responding to your truths, I believe that I knocked you out of the ring on numerous occassions.

I respect Rudy. I love that he lowered crime in the city. I love that NYC Prospered under Rudy. If you can't see that then I feel sorry for you.
welcome back to the coliseum FD
watch out for the Lions ;)
Formal Dances
01-09-2004, 03:30
welcome back to the coliseum FD
watch out for the Lions ;)

Need me to wack you upside the head some more?
MKULTRA
01-09-2004, 03:32
Need me to wack you upside the head some more?
you and what ARMY LOL :D
Lunatic Goofballs
01-09-2004, 03:36
Sorry, but nobody's perfect. Especially politicians.

Rudy is far from perfect. But any politician who can appear on Saturday Night Live in drag, or be a New York cabbie badmouthing Guiliani in another skit is okay in my book. :)
Copiosa Scotia
01-09-2004, 03:37
then you can respond to my truths

Good one. I think we both know what happens to your "truths" when you're asked to back them up.
Formal Dances
01-09-2004, 03:39
you and what ARMY LOL :D

LOL!! Me and my brother! That is the only army that counts on a personal level. On another level, The US Army?
Druthulhu
01-09-2004, 03:42
LOL!! Me and my brother! That is the only army that counts on a personal level. On another level, The US Army?

So you advocate the U.S. Army being used to brutalize political dissenters and conspiracy theorists? :)
Formal Dances
01-09-2004, 03:45
So you advocate the U.S. Army being used to brutalize political dissenters and conspiracy theorists? :)

Its a joke between us Druthulhu. As to brutalizing political dissenters and Conspiracy theorists, no. They have just as much a right to speak as the next guy. :)
Druthulhu
01-09-2004, 03:46
Its a joke between us Druthulhu. As to brutalizing political dissenters and Conspiracy theorists, no. They have just as much a right to speak as the next guy. :)

...depends who the next guy is... ;)

[joke]
Formal Dances
01-09-2004, 03:47
...depends who the next guy is... ;)

[joke]

:D
Druthulhu
01-09-2004, 03:53
Rudy made it illegal for people in clubs in N.Y.C. to dance, ever, unless that club has a dance license and blocked the issuence of new licences. That is worthy of an eternity of firey suffering.

Well no, but he's a fascist prick.
The Force Majeure
01-09-2004, 03:57
Well, I for one would gladly trade (DC's) Williams for Rudy....
Tyrandis
01-09-2004, 04:32
Everytime MKULTRA makes a post, I'm inclined to pull out this chart:

http://www.wackyweaselworld.com/flameINC/images/TS42.jpg
Panhandlia
01-09-2004, 04:44
Lets not even respond to MKULTRAs lies.
Therein lies the truly intelligent response to RedArrow's (MKULTRA) patented pablum. Trying to respond to anything he posts is like teaching a pig to dance...all you will accomplish is, you will get dirty.

Of course, if you actually read all the junk in the original post, you are a very brave person.

Truth is, as we say in the US, Rudy Giuliani hit one out of the park last night. Arnold Schwarzenegger didn't do too badly tonight either.
MKULTRA
01-09-2004, 07:37
Sorry, but nobody's perfect. Especially politicians.

Rudy is far from perfect. But any politician who can appear on Saturday Night Live in drag, or be a New York cabbie badmouthing Guiliani in another skit is okay in my book. :)
then maybe he should stick to comedy and drag acts insted ;)
MKULTRA
01-09-2004, 07:39
LOL!! Me and my brother! That is the only army that counts on a personal level. On another level, The US Army?
which poster is your bro?
MKULTRA
01-09-2004, 07:40
Well, I for one would gladly trade (DC's) Williams for Rudy....
I wouldnt wish Rudy on anyone and do you really wanna destroy DCs nightlife that badly?
Druthulhu
01-09-2004, 14:13
. . .

Of course, if you actually read all the junk in the original post, you are a very brave person.

And if you did not, and you are posting here anyway, you are a cowardly and dishonest fool.

Truth is, as we say in the US, Rudy Giuliani hit one out of the park last night. Arnold Schwarzenegger didn't do too badly tonight either.

Oh yeah and I really loved the way the skank twins' made such a funny funny joke about their hamster that illustrated how much better dems are at keeping things alive. :)
Lower Aquatica
01-09-2004, 15:22
Giuliani was a very calm, even-keeled leader when the city was in a crisis. I still wouldn't want him as a leader again, because some of his actions when the city WASN'T in a crisis had me rather uncomfortable. I was reminded of Churchill -- Churchill was an excellent Prime Minister DURING World War II, I've been told, but his method of leadership wasn't suited to peacetime issues. Giuliani strikes me as the same type of person -- excellent in a crisis, but too overbearing for the everyday.

And that's all I have to say about that. [/gump mode]
Jovianica
01-09-2004, 15:32
Come on, guys. If you were the mayor and you saw a person leap, burning, from the 100th story of one of your city's greatest landmarks, would you turn to the chief of police and say "Thank God George Bush is president"?

Or would you say "Holy fecking shite, that guys on fire!!"

Rudy's so full of it his eyes turned brown. End of report.
Superpower07
01-09-2004, 15:35
Giuliani was a very calm, even-keeled leader when the city was in a crisis. I still wouldn't want him as a leader again, because some of his actions when the city WASN'T in a crisis had me rather uncomfortable. I was reminded of Churchill -- Churchill was an excellent Prime Minister DURING World War II, I've been told, but his method of leadership wasn't suited to peacetime issues. Giuliani strikes me as the same type of person -- excellent in a crisis, but too overbearing for the everyday.

And that's all I have to say about that. [/gump mode]

I agree that he handled 9/11 well
The Holy Word
01-09-2004, 15:39
If you believe what this crap, then you really are a lost cause! As for responding to your truths, I believe that I knocked you out of the ring on numerous occassions.What specifically from the article (not from MKULTA's analysis of it) do you believe is untrue?
The Force Majeure
01-09-2004, 16:06
I wouldnt wish Rudy on anyone and do you really wanna destroy DCs nightlife that badly?

How do you mean?
Zeppistan
01-09-2004, 16:19
So you're saying we should have accepted money from that Saudi who said that we deserved 9/11??? PLUS THE SAUDI ROYAL FAMILY IS A BUNCH OF CORRUPT LUNATICS!!! Why accept money from THEM????


Well, if it's good enough for the President.... his long-term business ties with the House of Saud are well documented.


That being said, I have also heard that Rudi was a piece of work as mayor, but I do think that he stepped up and did the job when the poop hit the rotating blades. Far more than GW did as he jetted around the country from hiding hole to hiding hole.

What GW SHOULD have done was been right back in Washington the next day standing his ground on the White House lawn, showing bravery and resolve and keeping the nation calm.

Instead Rudi did that for the first 48 hours for him.
Kevopia
01-09-2004, 17:01
since rudis term and him cleaning the streets up from bums philadelphia has found itself with all of new yorks hobos.
Druthulhu
01-09-2004, 20:48
Come on, guys. If you were the mayor and you saw a person leap, burning, from the 100th story of one of your city's greatest landmarks, would you turn to the chief of police and say "Thank God George Bush is president"?

Or would you say "Holy fecking shite, that guys on fire!!"

Rudy's so full of it his eyes turned brown. End of report.

MY eyes are brown! :( Racist! :mad:
Formal Dances
01-09-2004, 22:59
which poster is your bro?

That would be Corneliu! He finds you funny and he thinks that you should do Comedy.
MKULTRA
02-09-2004, 05:51
That would be Corneliu! He finds you funny and he thinks that you should do Comedy.
is he the one brainwashing you? :mad:
Formal Dances
04-09-2004, 20:17
is he the one brainwashing you? :mad:

No one is brainwashing me MKULTRA though I think Air America and the Liberal Left have brainwashed you! :)
Katganistan
04-09-2004, 20:57
then you must not be a new yorker and had to live thru his reign of terror firsthand but relied on the corporate media for all your fantasyland impressions of him--its discusting the way this nazi who had a bunker on the 23rd floor of the WTC revived his dead political career on the bodies of those who died in the WTC

I AM a New Yorker, and your view of reality is unique, to say the least.
The man retired from being the mayor of NYC, so I don't see how he "revived his political career" with WTC.
Katganistan
04-09-2004, 21:05
if you lived in NY and saw his true legacy firsthand youd have no respect at all for him--in fact his latest crimes against humanity in recent years has been his killing and torturing of homeless kids in Mexico City Mexico


Evidence, please -- something reputable?
Katganistan
04-09-2004, 21:08
and what is this imaginary heroism regarding Rudy and 911? Did he save anyones life there? Did he do ANYTHING other then his job...?

Did the firefighters, EMS and cops do ANYTHING other than their jobs? Is Rudy Giuliani a superhero? Does he put on red tights and fly through the air, lifting I-beams off of kittens?
Katganistan
04-09-2004, 21:14
that was real helpful--turning away money that victims familys coulda used just so Rudy can look like a hero himself. What a parasitical opportunist-It wasnt his place to return that check it didnt belong to him

Should the city accept a sizable donation to the Policeman's Benevolent Association from Mafia druglords as well? Especially if the donation was given with the speech, "Well, you brought it on yourselves?"

It was handed to him, as the Mayor (that is, the head and the symbol, of NYC.) He declined to accept it on NY's behalf because the strings attached would definitely have made it look like blood money or hush money. Not only did he have the legal right to do it, it was the morally correct thing to do as well.
Katganistan
04-09-2004, 21:17
I realize the Saudi royal family are pure scum who were just giving us that money cause they were guilty that they funded the terrorist but Rudy still coulda taken the check and then spat in his face

And they would have been prevented from calling their bank and stopping payment on the check how? Not to mention this would have caused and international diplomatic meltdown?
Katganistan
04-09-2004, 21:19
well the post is too long for me to read on account of my lazy attitude to life in general but i am guessing I agree with MKULTRA.


Please, what I am going to tell you is going to save you a lot of heartache in later life.

Do not sign anything without reading it first.
Druthulhu
04-09-2004, 22:37
Lot of afterthoughts there, huh Kat? ;)
Holy Paradise
04-09-2004, 22:53
then you can respond to my truths
when have you ever said the truth? When have you ever given your opinion without calling someone a fascist pig? I am a conservative and I am all for the Freedom of Speech, but you just go overboard with it. I will only listen to your opinions when you state them in a reasonable manner.