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In November, America will make a very important decision regarding the future of our country. The issue, of course, is whether or not to re-elect George W. Bush to the Presidency of the United States. While attempting to remain open-minded (with
hopes that my fellow citizens will follow suit), I will make the case against George Bush with rational thought.

Failures in Economic Policy
George W. Bush has presided over a tremendous loss of American jobs (although to be fair, not all of these two-million jobs were as a direct result of his policies). He recently touted one month’s results, claiming 300,000 new jobs. But many of these jobs are entry-level. They don’t provide the salaries and benefits that Americans need to protect their families. And what’s worse, the President has done nothing to stem the onrushing tide of American jobs to firms in India, China, and other nations where cheap labor can be had. The outsourcing of jobs has become so prevalent that business executives are having American workers train the very overseas workers who will be taking their jobs.

Failures in Leadership
President Bush has made a complete mockery of the United States in he eyes of the world community. Even our own allies are questioning our motives; George W. Bush typifies the worst of the foreign perception that America is filled with shoot-from-the-hip cowboys. Although his invasion of Afghanistan was both justified and commendable, his performance after the war has left much to be desired. In addition, his invasion of Iraq has proven to be a major strategic blunder. No links to Al-Qaeda have been discovered there, nor have any weapons of mass destruction been found. Testimony from former Bush Administration officials such as Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill and Richard Clarke consistently describe the President as being blind to all but what he wishes to see. The very day after 9-11, George Bush was demanding links be uncovered between the attacks in Iraq when no such links have ever been discovered. Our diversion in Iraq has, however, given time to Al-Qaida to regroup and prepare for more attacks. Although it is of vital importance that we keep America safe, we should be sure of what we’re doing before we start killing people! Bush has acted in a consistently reckless manner unbefitting of the leader of the Free World.

Failures in Honesty
Evidence suggests that George W. Bush has not dealt with the American public in good faith on a wide variety of issues. He deliberately misled Congress on the costs entailed by his Medicare reforms, claiming that banning the government from negotiating on drug prices would somehow save taxpayer money. His oft-quoted “No Child Left Behind” philosophy has, in practice, been a miserable failure; George Bush refused to spend the money to ensure that America’s children are given adequate education. The Bush Administration is still refusing to turn over records of who they met and what was said in meetings with energy industry lobbyists; meetings that eventually spawned a Bush Administration energy bill loaded with perks for the industry. Bush’s government has also awarded billions of dollars in non-competitive contracts to companies friendly to the Bush Administration (and whose executives are in some cases actually serving IN the Administration itself!). The Bush Administration has also claimed the right to keep the details of these contracts from the public by labeling them as national security interests. In effect, the Bush government is claiming the right to spend an undisclosed amount of your tax dollars on an unknown project that benefits a mysterious company that they refuse to tell you about. Come on, America! You deserve better than THIS!

George W. Bush has not earned my trust, he has not earned my respect. He does not speak for me, nor do I feel confident in his ethereal leadership abilities. And most importantly, he has not earned a second term in the White House.

Despite all that, I have yet to hear any compelling reason to vote FOR John Kerry.

Despite all that, I have yet to hear any compelling reason to vote FOR John Kerry.

Very well. Although I will be the first to admit that John Kerry does not have the charisma of George W. Bush, he nevertheless displays the signs of a keen intellect. He appears to be the type of man who stops and -thinks- critically about a problem before acting, and who is willing to change directions if his present course of action is not working. Kerry is not easily defeated, as he managed to come from behind and defeat Howard Dean in the Democratic primaries. And he volunteered to go to Vietnam, something neither Bush nor Cheney did. If he is such a flip-flopper and coward, why did he VOLUNTEER to go to Vietnam? Why did he win multiple bronze and silver stars, as well as three purple hearts?

I myself backed Howard Dean initially during the primaries. Kerry has won me over since then, and not just because I do not support Bush. I -met- the guy when he made an unscheduled campaign stop in Troy, Ohio. He stopped the bus on the highway, came over to the chainlink fence and waded through knee-high reeds as he walked the ENTIRE length of the line, shaking all our hands. We were a crowd of perhaps 1,500 people...amazing for a conservative area. I somehow have a hard time visualizing Bush doing that in similar circumstances. Somehow, my faith in the progressive cause was rekindled then, and I felt like I was a small component of a greater cause. This man is a fighter, and he is not above connecting with common folks. George Bush is distant both because of the way he was raised, and the way he chooses to lead. Kerry lets just about anybody into his rallies, even protestors (which has caused problems). When Bush came to Troy just the other day, he tightly controlled everyone who attended the event. You couldn't get in unless you had a ticket...and only Republicans were allowed to get tickets, mostly. And they instructed you on exactly what to bring...rain poncho, snack, exc. You were to arrive precisely and hour and a half before Bush arrived, and you had to stand there in sweltering heat. Protestors, unlike the Kerry rallies, were kept literally like a mile away or more. Bush doesn't want to even acknowledge dissent. Kerry at least lets them be heard, even if he doesn't agree with them.

i wish i could get everything politically and personally i hate about Bush off my back, I would, but it would be 10 pages long. While everyone argues about whose better and whose worse, the real question is 'What good has Bush done for this country?' Simply put. if anyone can answer that im sure i could counter it.

Very well. Although I will be the first to admit that John Kerry does not have the charisma of George W. Bush, he nevertheless displays the signs of a keen intellect. He appears to be the type of man who stops and -thinks- critically about a problem before acting, and who is willing to change directions if his present course of action is not working. Kerry is not easily defeated, as he managed to come from behind and defeat Howard Dean in the Democratic primaries. And he volunteered to go to Vietnam, something neither Bush nor Cheney did. If he is such a flip-flopper and coward, why did he VOLUNTEER to go to Vietnam? Why did he win multiple bronze and silver stars, as well as three purple hearts?


I look at Bush and his decisions, and right or wrong, and there is no doubt in my mind that he believes that he is making the right choice every time. He makes these decisions from the heart. I do not feel that way at all with Kerry. I believe he says what he thinks he wants you to hear - What polls say he should say. Let's see evidence of past good decisions he's made. He seems to run away from his voting record every chance he gets...

I do think that Dean also believed what he said during his run. I also don't think it was Kerry who beat him, rather he got a royal screw-job from the media and the establishment over his cheer (the "scream"). If Dean was running, I might actually give the Dem ticket some consideration.

And don't start the Kerry in Vietnam thing. I really don't care - It's overplayed at this point. Not everyone needed to go to Vietnam and he was only there 4 months anyway. My father volunteered and went there for 2 years, but he's not running for President over it.

Still, all I see is an Anti-Bush campaign. No one wins by being the "other guy". I'm still waiting for some good arguements to be made without referring to the current administration.

"I look at Bush and his decisions, and right or wrong, and there is no doubt in my mind that he believes that he is making the right choice every time. He makes these decisions from the heart. I do not feel that way at all with Kerry. I believe he says what he thinks he wants you to hear - What polls say he should say."

Do you really think that someone should be running the country based on passion and emotion rather than logic? I don't want someone making decisions for my entire country from -his- heart. His beliefs definitely do not accurately represent all of America (no one's do), so they have no place in the office of the President. I would rather have someone who -does- listen to polls and accurately tries to represent what America wants.

hmmm Kerry will make decisions based upon what popular opinion thinks? Damn him!

I so wish dean had been the democrat runner

So much easier choice

Dont like bush

But dont like Kerry

Damn now I got to make a choice of who do I dislike the least

I know it sounds ignorant, but I really don't need any reason other than the fact that Kerry isn't Bush to vote for him.

In my opinion, the country is worse off than it was 4 years ago. I have formed this opinion due to the terrorist attacks in 2001 (I try to avoid the euphemism 9/11, I'm tired of hearing it)(also, I don't believe Bush had a hand in that, I just know that they've hurt our country), and in part due to Bush's handling of the war in Iraq and attacks on our civil rights (PATRIOT act).

I can see that this administration is more secretive than any others I remember.

In my opinion, Bush hasn't done what he needed to do to get my vote. So, rather than give him my vote, I'm trying to get him out of office. In order to do so, you support the candidate who has the best chance of getting rid of him, Kerry at this point.

hmmm Kerry will make decisions based upon what popular opinion thinks? Damn him!

Ah, but we don't know that, do we? All we get is talk and all he does is talk in generalities.

Can we see a list of hard decisions he's actually made? He's been in the Senate long enough. But let's keep it to the ones he's been consistant on... I can go to any pro-Bush site to see a LONG list of votes he's made on both sides of many issues. I want to know what the man really believes!

Do you really believe in Bush? check out all teh links I have in my signature regarding his own flip flops.

You can't really have a poll designed for only one type of person (in this case Americans) and then not have it public. I'm not targeting anyone in particular, but if you look at lot of the most adamant anti-Bushites on this board are not American and I'm sure some of them will, are, and did vote in this poll.

Do you really believe in Bush? check out all teh links I have in my signature regarding his own flip flops.

Again, I don't care to hear any more Anti-Bush. That's all I see on TV and read on this forum. I want to hear something - Anything - concrete that is Pro-Kerry.

So far, there is nothing. (Ok, not literally nothing, but relative to the Anti-Bush vitriol...)

And I don't think any candidate has ever been elected president by running as "I'm the other guy".

Very well. Although I will be the first to admit that John Kerry does not have the charisma of George W. Bush, he nevertheless displays the signs of a keen intellect. He appears to be the type of man who stops and -thinks- critically about a problem before acting, and who is willing to change directions if his present course of action is not working. Kerry is not easily defeated, as he managed to come from behind and defeat Howard Dean in the Democratic primaries.

The media did most of that, plus the internet voters who don't actually come out to vote put Dean over. Once Kerry won Iowa all the others states decided he was their man.

And he volunteered to go to Vietnam, something neither Bush nor Cheney did. If he is such a flip-flopper and coward, why did he VOLUNTEER to go to Vietnam? Why did he win multiple bronze and silver stars, as well as three purple hearts?

Best line of reasoning EVAR! Please tell the simpletons how going to Nam means he isn't a flip flopper.

I myself backed Howard Dean initially during the primaries. Kerry has won me over since then, and not just because I do not support Bush. I -met- the guy when he made an unscheduled campaign stop in Troy, Ohio. He stopped the bus on the highway, came over to the chainlink fence and waded through knee-high reeds as he walked the ENTIRE length of the line, shaking all our hands. We were a crowd of perhaps 1,500 people...amazing for a conservative area. I somehow have a hard time visualizing Bush doing that in similar circumstances. Somehow, my faith in the progressive cause was rekindled then, and I felt like I was a small component of a greater cause.

So you are backing someone not on his policy, but on the fact that he shakes people's hands.

This man is a fighter, and he is not above connecting with common folks. George Bush is distant both because of the way he was raised, and the way he chooses to lead. Kerry lets just about anybody into his rallies, even protestors (which has caused problems). When Bush came to Troy just the other day, he tightly controlled everyone who attended the event. You couldn't get in unless you had a ticket...and only Republicans were allowed to get tickets, mostly. And they instructed you on exactly what to bring...rain poncho, snack, exc. You were to arrive precisely and hour and a half before Bush arrived, and you had to stand there in sweltering heat. Protestors, unlike the Kerry rallies, were kept literally like a mile away or more. Bush doesn't want to even acknowledge dissent. Kerry at least lets them be heard, even if he doesn't agree with them.

At the DNC protestors were corralled, while in New York they are getting more press time than the RNC. Bush is doing a great job of squashing that dissent.

If I could vote, I would vote for Kerry in a heartbeat. The longer Bush stays in office, the deeper the stake goes into the heart of America.

I'm a Libertarian and am planning on voting for Badnarik. Michael Badnarik will help to bring positive change to America. www.badnarik.org

Duh, obviously nationstates is very Anti-Bush, don't you see the "Bush is the worst president ever!" threads?

Well, I'm going to vote, but not for one of the three choices you gave.

My vote goes to Michael Badnarik, Libertarian.

People keep saying that Kerry is only running on the platform that he is not Bush. While I must say that is a good enough argument for me he is talking about his plan for a stronger america but you assholes just do not want to see it.

!He has a plan to create new jobs lost during the reign of this illegitimate president*.

!He wants to reverse the atrocious "no child left behind" plan which would basically works like this. Each year students would be given a test, the schools that do well on the test recieve more funding and those that do poorly recieve less funding. I have been through an urban public shcool environment and it is not pretty. The school district I went to needed all the funding it could get. Later I moved into a new school district that recieved more than adequate funding. Take a wild guess as to which school had better proficiency test scores. The whole plan is just another way for the rich to stay rich and the poor to stay poor. Kerry's plan will help make sure that all children get a good education.

!Kerry will do his best to remove our troops from Iraq and repair our relations with the UN

!Kerry will not plunge our nation into any more unjust wars on soveriegn nations. (Bush is planning attacks on both Syria and Iran)

!Kerry will generally move america forward instead of backwards.

!There are many more reasons to vote Kerry, not the least being that if elected (note I did not say reelected)* Bush will have the opportunity to appoint up to three supreme court justices and thus have the power to reverse over thirty years of progressive court rulings.

Do not take my word on this visit Kerry's website.

*I think that one of the worst attrocities that Bush has commited is the one that most people overlook. He stole the election by disenfranchising voters!

"Four years ago, Florida election officials removed over 52,000 voters from the rolls under the guise of “cleansing” the list of felons. Over 90% of those purged were not guilty of any crime and 54% were African-American, a group which, in Florida, are likely to vote Democratic over 90% of the time.[4] The company that provided the purge list warned Florida officials that thousands of eligible voters would likely be disenfranchised in the process, but Katherine Harris, the Florida Secretary of State who also served as state campaign manager for George W. Bush, went forward with the purge anyway. The result was thousands of voters not allowed to vote in an election that was decided by just over 500 votes."

hmmm Kerry will make decisions based upon what popular opinion thinks? Damn him!

whats popular isnt always whats best or whats right.

If kerry wnats to win he needs to make commercials about his iran initiative, he needs to make commercials on his plan to change america, and not run commercials about bush.

he needs to make people trust that he will not end the operation in iraq too early.

Right now im for bush. Because i dont think we should leave iraq early, and im afraid that senator kerry will do just that, further pissing off the world.

whats popular isnt always whats best or whats right.



Oog. It's that kind of mentality that scares me.

Last I checked, the president of the United States is SUPPOSED to do what the majority of the people want. The position is beholden to us, not the other way around. Right or wrong will always be up for grabs, but what the president's job duties are comprised of, are in black and white.

There are also supposed to be safeguards to ensure that smaller groups don't get run over, but those seem to be ignored, unless accompanied with a lawsuit these days.

"Must follow leader...." Yikes.

Oog. It's that kind of mentality that scares me.

Last I checked, the president of the United States is SUPPOSED to do what the majority of the people want. The position is beholden to us, not the other way around. Right or wrong will always be up for grabs, but what the president's job duties are comprised of, are in black and white.

There are also supposed to be safeguards to ensure that smaller groups don't get run over, but those seem to be ignored, unless accompanied with a lawsuit these days.

"Must follow leader...." Yikes.

im not saying we must follow our leaders, i just happen to agree with what hes doing. moreso then kerry that is

oh so you mean that you don't agree with popular opinion so it must be wrong. I see.

First off I could care less about defending bush or kerry, both of thier lying records speak for themselves. Bush lied in 2000 during the campaign wanting the states to have the final say on medijauna and (thankfully) lied about wanting to extend a useless (assualt weapons) ban that does nothing but create the states to have to pass thier own legislation denying the Constitutionality of it. Kerry is doing the same thing bush did during the 2000 election, but with saying he is all for gun owners and would rather not to go into specifics (hehe). I didnt see a winner in 2000 and we wont see one this year, because both people running are loser's that fail to realize that no matter which way you slice it, 50% of our voting poulation is voting for you and the other 50% for the other guy. When there are races this close then whoever wins needs to have the balls to listen to all Americans not just of the slim majority by whichever electoral (popular or electoral) margins.

Yes I have thought about just voting for badnarik also, just as in any other country they vote for whoever you want, not who someone else wants. But right now it comes down to either the libertairian, Constitutional, or Bush. The only one I agree with on immigration is the Constiutional canidate

oh so you mean that you don't agree with popular opinion so it must be wrong. I see.

Nope. I'm saying that's how mob-rule democracy works.

The president obeys the will of the people. The majority of the people. If they don't, they're out of office. They're not supposed to be there to cater to the will of two or three thousand.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but that's how it is.

there is only 1 compelling reason to vote for Kerry......he is not Bush

Can't anyone see the atraction to john kerry - he won three purple hearts (sarcasm) :rolleyes:

cough JibJab cough

Duh, obviously nationstates is very Anti-Bush, don't you see the "Bush is the worst president ever!" threads?
I have seen threads that *shudder* do support him...

Despite all that, I have yet to hear any compelling reason to vote FOR John Kerry.

Hey he won three purple hearts for small baby booboos

Don't ever mock a injury that was received in a horrible, horrible war. I don't personally think that is a reason to vote for him but the guy was in Vietnam, people went there expecting NOT to come back and he joined up. Against the wishes of most Americans, hippies etc. Came back and tried to get other people out of there because it was so horrible. That took courage even if he was one of the lucky few who didn't die.

Second, the reasons the original poster listed on this "rant" are valid reasons to remove someone from office. You don't reward someone for making these mistakes. I am teacher and this person is absolutely right about the no child left behind statement. Teachers hate him now because he didn't do anything to fix the school system. He didn't get books into the classroom, fix run down schools, pay teachers better in low income districts so they can keep the good ones, or provide training for those students who want to learn a skill as opposed to go to college. Nothing in that bill helped the schools in reality.

Third, could the American public realize that they are both white, rich men and do not represent the public interests. IF I could, I would have them put a box on the ballot that says none of the above. That way, if enough votes coming in saying neither we could make the main parties choose again.

Voting for Kerry will only balance the power for four years but it would send a clear message to both sides that they won't be rewarded for operating in the interests of the rich and powerful.

Last of all, does anyone realize that I can list five companies off the top of my head that are major and send all IT and tech support jobs overseas. Including, SBC, Dell (dude, your getting a dell), Microsoft, Verizon, and Cigna is on its way. I didn't even have to research to know this. India is now the largest growing economy in the world and that should be us. Furthermore bills such as no student left behind have on a personal level kept me out of the classroom teaching. I have three different school districts that found me to be a WAY above average teacher and had to lay me off because of this bill. It gave no timeline for states to redesign their teaching education system. Californias is a joke and it takes two years after your bachelors to finish. I could have become a doctor in that time. I then went into the computer industry to make ends meet and got laid off there also, guess why? Trickle down effect of moving jobs overseas, IT people take the job I was doing and push me out the door. My friends have graduated from college and even though they were deans list students are stuck in low level, entry pay jobs because they ship them all over seas now. We have no way to move up, we feel frustrated and know that we will never be able to buy a house at this pay rate. Plus last night they were bragging that house ownership is up but if you study it, it is not up per capita. Of course there are more houses, there are more people in general.

I am not necessarily mad at Bush himself, I am mad at his administration. I just don't think he is that intelligent to mastermind all this. (I am not saying he is not intelligent) just not intelligent enough.

This is why we should votes someone else in and see if he succeeds or fails. IF he doesn't, in four years, he SHOULD be replaced.

For all the religous people who vote for republicans based on christian beliefs, Jesus would never reward the rich at the expense of the poor. In fact I believe he would have asked you to give up your money for the common good. The republicans hide behind the religous tag but don't follow the wwjd system.

That is all democrats and republicans are not the peoples party.

I realize that a good number of americans would vote for kerry just because they hate bush. :headbang:
But all thing considerded should Gore have won instead of Bush we would at this moment all be wanting th republican candidate. It WAS Predicted that there would be econic loss at this time; september 11th even highented that ecoic dip. It is just american nature to hate the one in charge.

My 2 cents

Last I checked, the president of the United States is SUPPOSED to do what the majority of the people want.

Not always. That's why we have laws. I heard a great example over the radio. I can't remember the talkshow host, so if you know please tell me. The scenario goes something like this:

Let's just say that you wake up one morning and all of America decides that you have to die. Not for any logical reason, or anything, they just want you to die. Don't like it? Well, the majority said that you have to die.

The reason this scenario doesn't work is because we have laws to curb the opinion of the majority back within the bounds of reason. Granted, I left out several factors (people armed with guns, domestic terrorists, angry mobs, etc.), but you get my idea. And I read your part about the laws to protect minorities, so you probably have thought of this, Zaxon. But you shouldn't just stop at protecting minorities; you should continue down to the individual.

As for my vote, I'll probably vote for some extreme left-wing party like the US Communist Party (NOT NECESSARILY THAT PARTY, PEOPLE WHO WILL YELL AT ME!). The cantidate won't win, but at least I'll be able to say I voted

Don't ever mock a injury that was received in a horrible, horrible war. I don't personally think that is a reason to vote for him but the guy was in Vietnam, people went there expecting NOT to come back and he joined up. Against the wishes of most Americans, hippies etc. Came back and tried to get other people out of there because it was so horrible. That took courage even if he was one of the lucky few who didn't die.

Second, the reasons the original poster listed on this "rant" are valid reasons to remove someone from office. You don't reward someone for making these mistakes. I am teacher and this person is absolutely right about the no child left behind statement. Teachers hate him now because he didn't do anything to fix the school system. He didn't get books into the classroom, fix run down schools, pay teachers better in low income districts so they can keep the good ones, or provide training for those students who want to learn a skill as opposed to go to college. Nothing in that bill helped the schools in reality.

Third, could the American public realize that they are both white, rich men and do not represent the public interests. IF I could, I would have them put a box on the ballot that says none of the above. That way, if enough votes coming in saying neither we could make the main parties choose again.

Voting for Kerry will only balance the power for four years but it would send a clear message to both sides that they won't be rewarded for operating in the interests of the rich and powerful.

Last of all, does anyone realize that I can list five companies off the top of my head that are major and send all IT and tech support jobs overseas. Including, SBC, Dell (dude, your getting a dell), Microsoft, Verizon, and Cigna is on its way. I didn't even have to research to know this. India is now the largest growing economy in the world and that should be us. Furthermore bills such as no student left behind have on a personal level kept me out of the classroom teaching. I have three different school districts that found me to be a WAY above average teacher and had to lay me off because of this bill. It gave no timeline for states to redesign their teaching education system. Californias is a joke and it takes two years after your bachelors to finish. I could have become a doctor in that time. I then went into the computer industry to make ends meet and got laid off there also, guess why? Trickle down effect of moving jobs overseas, IT people take the job I was doing and push me out the door. My friends have graduated from college and even though they were deans list students are stuck in low level, entry pay jobs because they ship them all over seas now. We have no way to move up, we feel frustrated and know that we will never be able to buy a house at this pay rate. Plus last night they were bragging that house ownership is up but if you study it, it is not up per capita. Of course there are more houses, there are more people in general.

I am not necessarily mad at Bush himself, I am mad at his administration. I just don't think he is that intelligent to mastermind all this. (I am not saying he is not intelligent) just not intelligent enough.

This is why we should votes someone else in and see if he succeeds or fails. IF he doesn't, in four years, he SHOULD be replaced.

For all the religous people who vote for republicans based on christian beliefs, Jesus would never reward the rich at the expense of the poor. In fact I believe he would have asked you to give up your money for the common good. The republicans hide behind the religous tag but don't follow the wwjd system.

That is all democrats and republicans are not the peoples party.

Well said! *applause*

People keep saying that Kerry is only running on the platform that he is not Bush. While I must say that is a good enough argument for me he is talking about his plan for a stronger america but you assholes just do not want to see it.

!He has a plan to create new jobs lost during the reign of this illegitimate president*.
Oh a plan! What is in the plan? Keep in mind Nixon had a plan to get us out of Vietnam it involved sending more people over.


!He wants to reverse the atrocious "no child left behind" plan which would basically works like this. Each year students would be given a test, the schools that do well on the test recieve more funding and those that do poorly recieve less funding. I have been through an urban public shcool environment and it is not pretty. The school district I went to needed all the funding it could get. Later I moved into a new school district that recieved more than adequate funding. Take a wild guess as to which school had better proficiency test scores. The whole plan is just another way for the rich to stay rich and the poor to stay poor. Kerry's plan will help make sure that all children get a good education.
Well first of I should say I hate teacher unions. Every time I saw increased funding the money mainly went to the teacher’s pockets or to build a new gym, this is helping me learn how? NCLB has not been proven to work either way, there needs to be time to get things into full swing and I don’t really care I think schools should be private anyway, and a public school should be the problem of the state not the federal government.


!Kerry will generally move america forward instead of backwards.
How? I plan on moving the country forward instead of backwards. I just have no idea how I would do it. I don’t think anyone has ran on the platform of moving the country backwards.

!There are many more reasons to vote Kerry, not the least being that if elected (note I did not say reelected)* Bush will have the opportunity to appoint up to three supreme court justices and thus have the power to reverse over thirty years of progressive court rulings.
This is back to anybody but Bush, weren’t we talking about what Kerry is actually running on instead of Bush is a hack?

Hey he won three purple hearts for small baby booboos

Totally. don't forget the self caused ones. "Unfit for Command" is turning into an infomative book that actually backs up things which multiple people. Kerry just changes his mind and tries to silence the groups. Kerry would be the absolute worse for America, some people are just to bilnd to see that.

People often talk about the economy but they forget one important fact (and a few facts of lesser importance). Shortly after Bush took office one of the biggest events in modern history took place, an event that rocked the foundations of this economy to the core.

I am not talking about 9/11, I'm talking Enron, and all the other companies that were caught in big lies. You can't blame Bush for accounting irregularities. This disaster in financial confidence has taken years to overcome, and I think it is still lingering in the markets even as I type.

Then there was the Brooklyn Bridge jumping event known as "outsourcing." This was this big thing touted in magazines that only CEOs or CEO wannabes tend to read. They took the example of some companies who decided to move some of their operations to places like India and made it a mantra for their own companies. The result? A loss of control in development (as development is now externally dependant on foreign contractors who overbook their own workers) and a greater cost burden on quality control because of production delays and a lack of high quality assurance in the foreign developers. This means higher costs, lower profits, and of course those people they all laid off aren't buying things anyway.

Very little of this can be blamed on Bush. Generally speaking a president can't hurt someone without helping someone else and vice versa. Take the tarrifs he put on imported steel, which annoyed the WTO considerably. While that was great for American steel, it wasn't great for American users of steel, who had to pay high prices for the steel, and in turn were faces with retalitory tarrifs on their products in revenge for the tarrifs on imported steel.

The presdent of Ford recently complained that he could not get anyone in the US to supply him with the parts necessary for a hybred automobile. Can we blame Bush for that as well? I don't think so. It's the STUIPD economy!

Not always. That's why we have laws. I heard a great example over the radio. I can't remember the talkshow host, so if you know please tell me. The scenario goes something like this:

Let's just say that you wake up one morning and all of America decides that you have to die. Not for any logical reason, or anything, they just want you to die. Don't like it? Well, the majority said that you have to die.

The reason this scenario doesn't work is because we have laws to curb the opinion of the majority back within the bounds of reason. Granted, I left out several factors (people armed with guns, domestic terrorists, angry mobs, etc.), but you get my idea. And I read your part about the laws to protect minorities, so you probably have thought of this, Zaxon. But you shouldn't just stop at protecting minorities; you should continue down to the individual.

As for my vote, I'll probably vote for some extreme left-wing party like the US Communist Party (NOT NECESSARILY THAT PARTY, PEOPLE WHO WILL YELL AT ME!). The cantidate won't win, but at least I'll be able to say I voted


So what happens when the majority votes to change the laws? All you have to do is have a consensus of 3/4 of the house and senate to get rid of the Constitution altogether? When I said minorities, I guess I was indeed implying down to the individual.

thats what i see going through the minds of most people i talk to.
bush doesnt always make the right desions. but he stands behind them all.
Kerry doesnt always make the right desision.because he takes both sides.
This isnt the 1930's war doesnt boost economy.
This isnt veitnam. not even close.
There isnt one news channel that isnt biased.
I am unemployed. but not because of bush.
I like french food.


DEAL WITH IT.

hmmm Kerry will make decisions based upon what popular opinion thinks? Damn him!

Because mob rule really is the best way to run a country... :rolleyes:

Anyways, I'm surprised you even posted the poll. I mean, this is NationStates we're talking about here. It's like asking who the people over at MoveOn.org are going to vote for.