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Okay...so they passed a new minimum wage law that applies to people who are paid salary instead of by the hour...well guess what...it turns out that it didn't work out to well.

I work at a movie theater. We have some assistant managers that were paid a salary, but they were getting about $150/week less than the new minimum wage law allowed for, so now guess what? Well, the company divided their weekly pay by 40 and take that number and that is now their hourly wage. These assistant managers are now paid by the hour and earn even less money on most weeks. Good job Bush.

I don't understand. Did the company change the way they paid them from salary to hourly?

well we all knew that Bush was a dumbass but all this proves is that the poeple who write his legislation are equally stupid.

(either that or they just dont care about poor people whih is perhaps more believable)

I don't understand. Did the company change the way they paid them from salary to hourly?
Yea, the company changed the way they pay some of the assistant managers from salary to hourly. Now to get the same amount of money they used to earn, they have to be at work for 40 hours in a week.

Good God something else to look forward to when i get a high school job

Good God something else to look forward to when i get a high school job
Huh?

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Welcome to business my friend, welcome to business.

Okay...so they passed a new minimum wage law that applies to people who are paid salary instead of by the hour...well guess what...it turns out that it didn't work out to well.

I work at a movie theater. We have some assistant managers that were paid a salary, but they were getting about $150/week less than the new minimum wage law allowed for, so now guess what? Well, the company divided their weekly pay by 40 and take that number and that is now their hourly wage. These assistant managers are now paid by the hour and earn even less money on most weeks. Good job Bush.
Number 1 Problem: Assistant Managers getting $150 LESS than minimum wage? LOL

Number 2 Problem: Assuming the new minimum wage is say $6, then a 40 hour work week would = $240. Now if the assistant Managers (nice title for low pay), are receiving $150 leas than minimum wage of $240, that means that they are making $90 for a 40 hour week, or approximately $2.25 per hour? HUH?

Number 3 Problem: Why work there?

GUESS WHAT?
BUSH STILL GETS MORE MONEY!!!

errr... and who cares!
i don't even work :P

Number 1 Problem: Assistant Managers getting $150 LESS than minimum wage? LOL

Number 2 Problem: Assuming the new minimum wage is say $6, then a 40 hour work week would = $240. Now if the assistant Managers (nice title for low pay), are receiving $150 leas than minimum wage of $240, that means that they are making $90 for a 40 hour week, or approximately $2.25 per hour? HUH?

Number 3 Problem: Why work there?
It's a minimum wage law for workers paid on salary, not by hour. The assistant managers got a weekly pay which is much more than what the other workers got, but less than the minimum wage for workers paid on salary by about $150. The minimum wage for workers paid on salary, if divided by 40, would be much, much higher than $5.15 or whatever minimum wage is now. The assistant managers are getting paid by the hour, but it's probably at least in the $20/hr range...(I don't know for sure). Do you understand now? The company changed some of the managers over to hourly pay because what you pay for 40 hours of work by working by the hour can be much lower than what you pay if you pay minimum wage on the new salary minimum wage law. So instead of getting a $150 raise, the assistant managers have to work by the hour, which means they actually have to come to work now.

and that doesn't even make him smart...
he's a dumbass,
how did he ever graduated in college? O.O

Correct me if I'm wrong, but... somehow, I just don't see a new minimum wage law originating with George W. Bush.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but... somehow, I just don't see a new minimum wage law originating with George W. Bush.
Well...it did, and it was passed like a week ago or something.

It's a minimum wage law for workers paid on salary, not by hour. The assistant managers got a weekly pay which is much more than what the other workers got, but less than the minimum wage for workers paid on salary by about $150. The minimum wage for workers paid on salary, if divided by 40, would be much, much higher than $5.15 or whatever minimum wage is now. The assistant managers are getting paid by the hour, but it's probably at least in the $20/hr range...(I don't know for sure). Do you understand now? The company changed some of the managers over to hourly pay because what you pay for 40 hours of work by working by the hour can be much lower than what you pay if you pay minimum wage on the new salary minimum wage law. So instead of getting a $150 raise, the assistant managers have to work by the hour, which means they actually have to come to work now.
Well I can understand raising the minimum wage. What I can't understand is the reasoning behind a minimum wage based on salaried employees, especially if the salaried employees are making well above the minimum wage hourly rate to begin with?

Well I can understand raising the minimum wage. What I can't understand is the reasoning behind a minimum wage based on salaried employees, especially if the salaried employees are making well above the minimum wage hourly rate to begin with?
Yea...neither can I, but the point is, companies are just dodging the law.

Yes I am sure his professors at Harvard and Yale agreed he was a dumbass. Surely the two top schools in the country would let the son of a western congressman just float through right? wrong. And now you try to blame things on him that arent his doing. The workings of private bussiness. good lord.

the minimum wage is going to be increased next year by the way if any of you actualy care to research it....

And now you try to blame things on him that arent his doing. The workings of private bussiness. good lord.
Aren't his doing?
...
He passed a law that made companies switch salary employees over to hourly employees. If you would look at the situation and realize how much higher the salary minimum wage is, you would realize that the change would've been inivitable. If you didn't see it coming, you're a dumbass for not seeing it coming. If you did see it coming, you're a dumbass for passing the law.

I want you to source where any law "forced " any private bussiness to do that.

I want you to source where any law "forced " any private bussiness to do that.
Let's see...give lots of people large $100+/wk raises, or switch them over to hourly pay...
Which makes more business sense? And anyone with common sense knows the latter makes more business sense. Bush, being a Business graduate should know that when this law was passed, lots of people would now be getting paid hourly rather than salary.

Let's see...give lots of people large $100+/wk raises, or switch them over to hourly pay...
Which makes more business sense? And anyone with common sense knows the latter makes more business sense. Bush, being a Business graduate should know that when this law was passed, lots of people would now be getting paid hourly rather than salary.

nice dodge of a question. how did Bush "force" anyone to do anything? source it. sounds to be like a few execs did some belt tightening and you want to make it Bush's fault. what kind of contorted logic is that. Im trying to picture a law saying that you have to give 100 dollar a week pay raises or hourly pay.......passed by the federal govt. please source. I cant picture it.

The word "force" does not have anything to do with legality. Look it up in a dictionary and show me where the word "force" applies solely to legal coercion.
The fact of the matter is, the paticular company I am talking about has declared bankruptcy before, and they're teetoring towards bankruptcy again. A $150 raise to all their assistant managers nationwide would've probably put them deep in the negatives. I'd call that forcing. The point is, Bush is supposedly a businessman. He should've recognized that lots of companies would have changed over to paying their employees hourly to avoid the minimum wage law. Getting paid hourly isn't all that great...

so what your saying is that Bush is bad because he raised wage laws for weekly work but created a loophole to stop it from putting people out of bussiness? sounds like a good thing to do to me.......

Isnt being paid hourly better than the company going under ( causing you not to be paid at all)?

so what your saying is that Bush is bad because he raised wage laws for weekly work but created a loophole to stop it from putting people out of bussiness? sounds like a good thing to do to me.......
No...sounds like Bush passed a law because it makes him look good to the socialists (passing new minimum wage laws), but the really fact of the matter is that it doesn't do anything and is actually worse for the workers (and the businesses in a sense). Now businesses also have to pay overtime for old salary employees. One of the former salary employees at my job was going to be working 50 hours this week. Normally she would get the same pay as usual, but now that she's on the clock, she's essentially getting paid for 55 hours. Of course, under the old system, it balanced out because the week before she got paid for 40 hours of work but was only at work two nights out of the week...

so when there is no wage increase you complain bitterly and when there is one you complain bitterly. When the president helps bussiness its bad for the poeple and hes evil and dumb. When the president helps individuals it hurts the companies and he is evil and dumb. I sense a pattern that really is getting very old. Please just stop.

There's no point in continuing this conversation so I won't since you completely missed the point I was trying to make.

Oh I caught the point. And its the same tired one people on these forums make over and over. Bush is bad. he sucks. we hate him. We are outraged. we disagree with him. dont vote for him. he needs to go away. then everything will be good. same tired old point over and over and over. I could lecture on about the principals of economics, the constitution, american hisotory, and free entirprise until you fell asleep in your chair. But I wont. because I cant change one thing. the notion that Bush is bad. That notion of today's modern young left is indistructable by fact and opinion alike. And what a shame it is. what a shame it is.

Minimum wage shouldn't exist in the first place.

well ur all thinking how terrible they have to work 40 hours now to get same pay. But wat if on a salary they sometimes worked more than 40 hours, equally if they work less than 40 hours they still get same pay. So if they now earn hourly they get same pay if working for 40 more if working for more and les if working for less

Yes I am sure his professors at Harvard and Yale agreed he was a dumbass. Surely the two top schools in the country would let the son of a western congressman just float through right? wrong. And now you try to blame things on him that arent his doing. The workings of private bussiness. good lord.

When it comes to Harvard and Yale, it has a bit more to do with how much money, status, and influence you have than it does how intelligent you are.

the bush's in the late sixties and early 70's were not nationaly recognized or even regionaly recognized. George bush was a junior texas congressman. I cant see how that automaticly puts his son through yale and harvard. sorry.

Aren't his doing?
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He passed a law that made companies switch salary employees over to hourly employees. If you would look at the situation and realize how much higher the salary minimum wage is, you would realize that the change would've been inivitable. If you didn't see it coming, you're a dumbass for not seeing it coming. If you did see it coming, you're a dumbass for passing the law.

I would just really like to see which law this is and read up on it before i make any conclusions on this one.

Why work there?

That's part of the shrubs new job creation! ;)

I would just really like to see which law this is and read up on it before i make any conclusions on this one.

Just to let you know i dont see ANY new minimum wage laws like that out there, i have a feeling your company just changed something instead.

Yes I am sure his professors at Harvard and Yale agreed he was a dumbass. Surely the two top schools in the country would let the son of a western congressman just float through right? wrong. And now you try to blame things on him that arent his doing. The workings of private bussiness. good lord.

Actually you would be amazed at how many stupid people end up in the top schools.

An old girlfriend went to the "Ivy league" and she said there are many that are there only because of their parents.

I belive her because she was a genious. You couldn't measure her IQ.

Add to that Nordic blond hair, killer soft blue eyes, and a body to die for! :)

What she saw in a low grade moron like me; I could never figure out! ;)

the bush's in the late sixties and early 70's were not nationaly recognized or even regionaly recognized. George bush was a junior texas congressman. I cant see how that automaticly puts his son through yale and harvard. sorry.

Seems George W. Bush stunk it up at Yale, and that he was there largely because his dad was an alum: "...he received a bachelor's degree in history from Yale in 1968, attaining a GPA of 2.35. Although he had an SAT score of 1206, 200 points below that of the average Yale freshman in 1970, he benefited from an admissions policy that gave preference to the children of alumni (his score was at roughly the 70th percentile nationwide)." - from Wikipedia's entry on GW Bush. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush#Personal_life_and_education

Furthermore, GW Bush entered Harvard Business School in 1973. GHW Bush was the US Ambassador to the UN from 1971 - 1973. Far cry from a junior Texas congressman.

Seems George W. Bush stunk it up at Yale, and that he was there largely because his dad was an alum: "...he received a bachelor's degree in history from Yale in 1968, attaining a GPA of 2.35. Although he had an SAT score of 1206, 200 points below that of the average Yale freshman in 1970, he benefited from an admissions policy that gave preference to the children of alumni (his score was at roughly the 70th percentile nationwide)." - from Wikipedia's entry on GW Bush. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush#Personal_life_and_education

Furthermore, GW Bush entered Harvard Business School in 1973. GHW Bush was the US Ambassador to the UN from 1971 - 1973. Far cry from a junior Texas congressman.

Do I care? If that stuff mattered, Al Gore would be even less qualified than Bush and Richard Nixon would be the best president in the history of the US.

Legacy admissions were overwhelming back in those days and they still are. And there are plenty of idiots in the Ivy League... especially Cornell. :)

Seems George W. Bush stunk it up at Yale, and that he was there largely because his dad was an alum: "...he received a bachelor's degree in history from Yale in 1968, attaining a GPA of 2.35. Although he had an SAT score of 1206, 200 points below that of the average Yale freshman in 1970, he benefited from an admissions policy that gave preference to the children of alumni (his score was at roughly the 70th percentile nationwide)." - from Wikipedia's entry on GW Bush. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush#Personal_life_and_education

Furthermore, GW Bush entered Harvard Business School in 1973. GHW Bush was the US Ambassador to the UN from 1971 - 1973. Far cry from a junior Texas congressman.

thats amazing !
great first post btw!

Look at this:

http://members.shaw.ca/delajara/Pre1974SAT.html

Given a pre-1974 SAT score of 1206, that puts Bush's IQ around 129. That is at least the 95th percentile.

I got a little suspicious looking at the claim that a 1206 SAT is at the 70th percentile. Even today with the dumbed down scores a 1206 is still well above the 70th percentile. That entry on wikipedia needs to be fixed.

Bush most likely decided to do this minimum wage law for salaried workers for probably a few points in his best (and cronies) interests. Say his chums daughter or son comes out of Yale and gets that nice accounting job at the firm; well there will be a higher minmum wage...(Isn't that an oxy-moron? minimum wage for salary?) Another aspect is once minimum wage for salaries increases, it moves on down the line. Now, Yale graduate is closer to middle management's salary so he demands more money, and then upper management all the way to the exec's. That's in the office world. Now enter Whitehouse with all his chums. Same deal happens there. He looks out for his cronies, quite intelligent in that respect, but not so smart in covering up things in thinly veiled guises of upping minimum wage for the people. You just have to read between the lines and see what happens; it's a chaos theory sure, but mostly like in the chaos there is now, this should be an accurate hypothesis. :headbang:

Bush most likely decided to do this minimage way law for salaried workers for probably a few points in his best (and cronies) interests. Say his chums daughter or son comes out of Yale and gets that nice accounting job at the firm, well there will be a higher minmum wage...(Isn't that an oxy-moron? minimum wage on salary?) Another aspect is once minimum wage for salaries increases, it moves on down the line. Now Yale graduate is closer to middle management's salary so he demands more money, and then upper manaagemtn all the way to the execs. That's in the office world. Now enter Whitehouse with all his chums. Same deal happens there. He looks out for his cronies, quite intelligent in that respect, but not so smart in covering up things in thinly veiled guise of upping minimum wage for the people. You just have to read between the lines and see what happens; it's a chaos theory sure, but mostly like in the chaos there is now, this should be an accurate hypothesis. :headbang:

Nice theory. Too bad it makes no sense. You think Yalies are coming out making that minimum salary?

George W. Bush is a very intelligent man.

I just used this as an explaining tool, I know they make a great deal more, but it was to get the point across so everyone would understand what's happening here. Everything has effect and cause, and Bush has been a great cause and effect in his tenureship. No matter how much he tries now, or how much 'hope' he tries to bring back to the people, it's hard times and everyone is on edge and skeptical of anything that passes. Not like before, they'd follow him on almost any legislation. Now people are taking a second look at America, the world and seeing the impact of reality, of globalization, corpoartions. Some thanks to a few movies and coverages that tell more of the story and where he stands on his grounds. If there ever was to be a minimum wage law, it should be for those working so many hours a week trying to make ends meet. Minimum wage for hourly should be raised and so many hours a week and you're overtime, not by how many hours worked at a job, but how many combined hours of jobs in a week. Say severenced out by the government maybe? Kind of a social welfare program for the states. It's not quite as indepth as up in here Canada, but I can't see any other way for it working, since it's not one of the priorities.

I just used this as an explaining tool, I know they make a great deal more, but it was to get the point across so everyone would understand what's happening here. Everything has effect and cause, and Bush has been a great cause and effect in his tenureship. No matter how much he tries now, or how much 'hope' he tries to bring back to the people, it's hard times and everyone is on edge and skeptical of anything that passes. Not like before, they'd follow him on almost any legislation. Now people are taking a second look at America, the world and seeing the impact of reality, of globalization, corpoartions. Some thanks to a few movies and coverages that tell more of the story and where he stands on his grounds. If there ever was to be a minimum wage law, it should be for those working so many hours a week trying to make ends meet. Minimum wage for hourly should be raised and so many hours a week and you're overtime, not by how many hours worked at a job, but how many combined hours of jobs in a week. Say severenced out by the government maybe? Kind of a social welfare program for the states. It's not quite as indepth as up in here Canada, but I can't see any other way for it working, since it's not one of the priorities.

I'm sorry, but people bitching about corporations and globalization usually have a very tenuous grasp on reality, if at all. Also, they tend to be unemployed.

In any case, I don't see why the minimum wage should be raised considering how few people actually earn that wage. It is an election year ploy for the Democrats, nothing more.

For those of us who are unfamiliar with the American legal system, allow me to enlighten you. The President of the United States does not make laws. Congress makes laws. After being approved by a few hundred other people, the bill moves on to the President, and he either approves it (apparently in the interest of those the PEOPLE chose to represent THEMSELVES) or vetoes it (and is viewed as a hardnosed idiot who just likes being disagreeable). Blame it on a right-wing conspiracy Bush-controlled Congress if that turns you on, but don't bother writing a novel about it if you didn't vote.
That would just be dumb now, wouldn't it?

How few earn that amount? It's like 30% of the USA is below the average income (don't quote me on that, but I know it's a lot higher than Canada) and considering that the USA's population is ten times larger, there are alot of people on minimum wage. Check out Bowling for Columbine for the more correct figures, I can't quote them off of my head right now. And just so you know I'm not unemployed, and I live quite comfortably, but I do know where I come from and where some less fortunate people come from. But that's also one country's mentality from another's. We believe if you are poor we should help out and get you back on your feet. The 'states' would rather brush them aside snd set up plaes out of the 'burbs like Harlem and so on and 'let these troubled people keep theirs troubles away from us good folk.'

How few earn that amount? It's like 30% of the USA is below the average income (don't quote me on that, but I know it's a lot higher than Canada) and considering that the USA's population is ten times larger, there are alot of people on minimum wage. Check out Bowling for Columbine for the more correct figures, I can't quote them off of my head right now. And just so you know I'm not unemployed, and I live quite comfortably, but I do know where I come from and where some less fortunate people come from. But that's also one country's mentality from another's. We believe if you are poor we should help out and get you back on your feet. The 'states' would rather brush them aside snd set up plaes out of the 'burbs like Harlem and so on and 'let these troubled people keep theirs troubles away from us good folk.'

HAHAHA. The average national income is significantly higher than minimum wage. The fact that you get numbers from a Michael Moore film is laughable.

P.S. I'm Canadian.

P.S. I'm a Canadian with a heart for all people. Rich or poor, everyone has troubles, so why not try to help out as much as we can? AND if you need correct figures take a walk on the streets, go downtown.

P.S. I'm a Canadian with a heart for all people. Rich or poor, everyone has troubles, so why not try to help out as much as we can? AND if you need correct figures take a walk on the streets, go downtown.

Sorry, I'm not a big fan of emotional bleeding-heart liberalism. And I can barely afford to pay my mortgage, never mind help some bums off the street.

well the man cant say nuclear...... im all for hard arse governments but the man is a MORON

What makes me laugh about this garbage poster is not the poor math but the idea that Kerry will make the situation any better. Bush is a moron, Kerry is a moron, both of them are wedded to the corrupt corporate structure, and neither of them can, or will, make any difference.

America isn't ruled or governed by the people, for the people, it's controlled by politicians, both left and right, who are content to rule for the sake of the corporations and their obsession with profit. That's the main reason why I lost faith in democracy as it is now. Because whoever you vote for, nothing changes. Well, just the name of the president.

aint it the truth.

And no one can proove that this stupid minimum wage law even exists.
were discussing it and no one can proove its real!
i definately couldnt find one.