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Well, are you?

Dude I just posted on the old one you wanted deleted. LOL, anyways not a chance in God. It would be as likely as me joining the Nazis or the KKK. By the way, were part of that Commie coalition that took over that country and threatened to blow me up on my first day on NS?

Communism, while very noble in intentions, is based on the false assumption that conformity is a virtue.

I'd never be a communist.

My grandpa said that he would vote for the American Communist Party before he'd vote for Bush, Kerry, OR Nader

Communism, while very noble in intentions, is based on the false assumption that conformity is a virtue.

I'd never be a communist.


It's based on the false assumption that all are equal. Conformity is good and desirable, but only equal people of common background can conform.

I don't expect violent radical Black Muslims in the Nation of Islam to have anything in common with the Christian White males of the KKK.

I use to be a communist but I got smart

Are you, Communist Mississippi?

Communism is great in theory, but requires a much more benevolent and less lazy and evil humanity to work.

Communist parties have a very poor track record. I don't believe they can be used to accomplish the goals of communism.

I would love to join, but I'm considering going into politics and the media would have a field day when they found out about it.

Perhaps at some point in my life, I'll drift left enough to be a communist. Even now, I feel like I'm drifting left. However, today, I would never, ever, ever join the Communist Party.

No, I have never been a Democrat.

It's based on the false assumption that all are equal. Conformity is good and desirable, but only equal people of common background can conform.

I don't expect violent radical Black Muslims in the Nation of Islam to have anything in common with the Christian White males of the KKK.

Actually, I think they have more in common than either group would like to admit. ;)

Itinerate Tree Dweller, if the Democrats are Communists, then the Republicans are Nazis.

Sigh. I remember well those halcyon days of 1967-72, when I and the rest of us Utopians dreamed of perfect social justice/equality under Marxism. Ah, the piquant joys of knowing that WE would take over and fix EVERYTHING those wicked Capitalists had corrupted---until we graduated and had to face REALITY, that is. That's how we got Bill Clinton, unfortunately. He, too, was one of us, only more cunning and ruthless. No, Marxism/Communism won't work, I'm afraid. How could the workers EVER take control of the corporations, etc., without help from the military? Ain't gonna happen here. The Military/Industrial Complex, along with our over-bloated federal government, isn't going to allow THIS state to "wither away", not with all that money they've been getting, plus the "perks" as well. No, Karl was not a very deep, or very good, thinker, and his best ideas were stolen and twisted by Lenin et al into a bureaucratic nightmare of inefficiency and armed treachery. I doubt if we'll EVER see a viable Marxist/Communist system now, although if this runaway globalism gets any worse, we MIGHT see an attempt. Sigh. If only Karl hadn't chugged all those beers...

Communists're bad!

I have socialist tendencies, but pure communism doesn't appeal to me.

Im quite happy with technocracy as my economic system

No, I have never been a Democrat.

Yer shore a witty feller, h'yuk!

I'm specifying my response of "Other.". While I may agree with some of the aspects of communist thought, the idea of belonging to a particular party does not appeal to me, because in every political party there are significant issues that I find myself in disagreement with the party over.
As for the thought that communism is "evil", it hardly seems more evil than any other economic system. It may be unsound, but evil? That's kind of silly, isn't it? Of course, that's assuming we're talking about revisionists here. I'm pretty sure the CPC isn't saying anything about taking control through violence, as they do run for political office, using the political system, rather than revolution.

No, never been a part of that...never will be either.

Communism? On NS? Sure, why not. It's not like this is the real world where it doesn't work and the nations fall apart. But in a three-dimensional world, no, communism does not, never has, and never will realistically work.

I'm considering joining the Democratic Socialists of America when I'm old enough.

Im quite happy with technocracy as my economic system

I hate technocracy! No to the would-be Patrick Zalas who seek power over us!

I hate technocracy! No to the would-be Patrick Zalas who seek power over us!

lol

i thought you would be for the elimination of currency and distribution of food to the people.

I'm a Communist but I don't think I'll join the party.

I am a member of the Green Party. While not a communist party as such, there are plenty of sympathizers in it.

Communism is a very favorable system of government but it cannot work without the whole word doing it and wanting it also so therefor i would never become a communist.

I'm more socialist than communist.

Down with capitalism.

Communism is a very favorable system of government but it cannot work without the whole word doing it and wanting it also so therefor i would never become a communist.

Yeah, but just about any system of government can work if the whole world honestly, fully, and completely supports it. I mean, even flat-out anarchism (I mean the extreme no-laws-no-organization-no-nothing kind of anarchism) would work under those conditions. Communism isn't a realistic way to organize human society.

I have socialist tendencies, but pure communism doesn't appeal to me.

I'm with this one myself.

i see myself as an eco-socialist. i believe the egalitarian
ethic is the foundation of civilization. as did appearently
the founders of every major religeous belief.
and that the ecological ethic is the foundation of life
itself, of which sentient civization is but a dependent
subset. 'the' communist party does not represent my views
any better then the circular illogic of little green pieces
of paper. well maybe a little. but not enough to enspire
any great enthusiasm for it.

i'm more of a kropotkinist then a marxist. or maybe i'm a
john lennonist and graucho marxist. i really don't see
partisanism as having much to contribute to our future
either as a planet or as a species.

the bussiness of bussiness is monkeybussiness but procustian
idiological fanatacism is no more of an answer to it then
any other idiological, economic or religeous form.

i believe karl marx made an honest and sincere effort to
fill a real need that existed not only in his own time but
very much exists again in our own. but i don't believe he
fully accompleshed this end.

once upon a time, nature, tecnology and creativity got along
with each other just fine. this was before aggressiveness
came to be romantacized and rewarded, before and in places
where fanatacisms of any sort ever raised their uggly head.

i believe that tecnology and the ability to be creative with
it will in due time replace the dominance of monetary
economics the same way money replaced land and land replaced
skill at the hunt as a measure of prestege and so called
worth. but i don't see any flavor of economic fanatacism as
contributing to that happening.

when global capitolism colapses it will do so from inside
and of its own weight. not as a resault of any outside
stressess it does not itself create.

i think communism had some worthy goals. the same goals
really as those expressed by every form of organized belief
as well. but i also see it as shairing WITH capitolism
the myopic error of failing to realize that the only thing
that begins and ends with human society is human society
itself and that this is not in any way seperate, independent
of or appart from, the natural cycles of renewal upon which
all life depends nor from the limitless diversity of an
infinite universe.

=^^=
.../\...

I'm a supporter of the Communist government in Vietnam and other places but I do not support the Chinese communists. They are just facists in sheeps clothing if you ask me. I like elements of communism but there are some fundamental flaws

But better than being a f*cking capitalist :mp5:

If the Communist party had an anarcho-communist party platform, I'd join. Of course, you're welcome to come up with your own idea of how an anarchist would run for government. I liken it to the NationStates issue with the spiritual advisor where one option is to appoint one who will immediately resign after being appointed, in the effort of eliminating the position. Of course, the job of Congressman (or other government person) fulfills many important goals, and it would be up to the party to determine how those goals would be fulfilled without the Congressman doing them.

At the moment i would have to say I'm socialist since people aren't ready for communism but eventually i think we could have pure communism or a close system.

Communism? On NS? Sure, why not. It's not like this is the real world where it doesn't work and the nations fall apart. But in a three-dimensional world, no, communism does not, never has, and never will realistically work.

Except, of course, where it does. The Romagna region in Italy, and the city of Bologna in particular, have been run by democratically elected communists since the end of WW2. Bologna is now one of the most prosperous cities in Italy, and the Romagna is one of the richest regions in Europe, so it seems to work just fine there -- which is probably why the communists keep getting re-elected.

In Soviet Russia, The Party always finds you!

In Soviet Russia, The Party always finds you!In capitalist Russia, the mafia always finds you...

Hey CM, any particular reason you chose that particular phrasing for the title of this thread?

No. I wouldn't join the communist party because I'm not a communist. I don't think it's evil, neither am I a nazi nor a fascist.

funnily enough anti capitalists are usually the poor sods who are at the loosing end of "survival of the fittest". and i have never met some one who has no job and gets welfare who wont vote democrate.

and you suck at making poles... all you had to put in was a no option but instead you had to phrase everything in double speek so that any no answer made you seem like an ass. goes to show that while totally clueless about the natural processes of, survival etc, communists still manage to twist things around so that arguements against them can be said to be arguements for them.

funnily enough anti capitalists are usually the poor sods who are at the loosing end of "survival of the fittest". and i have never met some one who has no job and gets welfare who wont vote democrate.

and you suck at making poles... all you had to put in was a no option but instead you had to phrase everything in double speek so that any no answer made you seem like an ass. goes to show that while totally clueless about the natural processes of, survival etc, communists still manage to twist things around so that arguements against them can be said to be arguements for them.

Ironically enough, "Communist Mississippi" is a neo-nazi white supremacist.

Who are you trying to emulate here CM? Mcarthy? :p

I'm not a Communist, and never plan to be, but I don't think it's evil, per se. A fine idea perhaps, but one that I doubt can ever be properly implemented on a large scale.

I'm a commie. So, I decided to go back to my homeland someday, and be the member of the Chinese Communist Party.

First post! Yep. Am currently in a communist party. I'm in the Red Party (in the UK, I know there's a group in the US by the same name, but we're not them). We formed about six weeks ago. There are a grand total of six of us at the moment! Before that I was in the Communist Party of Great Britain (formed of a split with the old CPGB; it rejects old-style CP reformist politics in favour of Leninism. Good people, but I thought their strategy was mistaken).

Commenting on other posts in this thread.

Just because a communist party stands in an election doesn't mean they've necessarily abandoned revolutionary politics. Although many so-called communist parties have abandoned revolutionary politics. Contesting elections can be a valid tactic, but a Marxist would recognise that revolutionary change is needed in order to effect the transition to socialism. And yes, the current political climate makes revolution highly unlikely in the US or anywhere else in the developed world, in the meantime communists need to use other tactics.

A couple of people have said they're sympathetic to communism, but not in communist or socialist parties. I can see why, but I disagree. A lot of parties/groups on the far left have a rightly deserved reputation for appalling interanl regimes, particularly a lack of democracy and a habit of stifling those that disagree with the leadership. That said, communists need to recognise that the solution for *anything* is never going to be served up to us on a plate: if you want a communist party worthy of the name, join something, anything, and fight to transform it into what you think is necessary.

Finally I'd like to stress that IMO what is needed is a single communist party in each country, and ultimately one communist international, that unites the most politically-advanced class-conscious workers into one disciplined organisation (personally I think that includes a lot of anarchists, anarcho-syndicalists and anarcho-communists). I'd just like to prick the bubble of any old style CP's out there who think that because they're called the communist party of such and such, then it necessairily entails that they are *the* communist party. For the most part they're not, although they're a part of the solution. We've all got a long struggle ahead of us to build the party that is needed: a party that is worthy of our class, and able to provide the leadership necessary to overthrow capitalism.

Well, are you?
Why do you call yourself Communist Mississippi when you are a Fascist?

Khonckist, you actually like the government of Vietnam? Have you ever even been there? God, if you have, you wouldn't like it any more so I'll take that as a "no". Capitalism isn't perfect but God, it's better than yelling out something stupid like "For the Reds" or some shit like that.

Actually Luckdonia, I posted that asking CM.

Capitalism isn't perfect but God, it's better than yelling out soemthing stupid like "For the Reds" or some shit like that.

More stupid than singing anthems and wearing red white and blue?

I'm not a damn American, Kanabia so I wouldn't know given I don't sing the US national anthem.

I'm not a damn American, Kanabia so I wouldn't know given I don't sing the US national anthem.

Neither am I, but within red white and blue you can include many, many nations. It was an assumption, but I thought it was a safe one.

Meh, not every anti-communist is an American. Believe me, Canada is full of them (I'm a Canadian).

Meh, not every anti-communist is an American. Believe me, Canada is full of them (I'm a Canadian).

Bugger :p Pretty much the only common english speaking country that doesnt follow the Red White Blue rule :) Well back to my original point....do you see how i mean that patriotism is no better?

I think I have to echo La Terra di Liberta in comdemning Vietnam. I'd condemn it not because it isn't capitalist, but because I wouldn't consider it to be communist or socialist. It's certainly far removed from the kind of socialism I want to see. Democratic rights isn't an optional extra for socialism: I think it is *essential* for socialism. In a socialist society, the majority is in control. That means they control government, business, infrastructure, etc. How that control is exerted, whether that's through worker's councils, elected delegates, power of recall, whatever, is open to discussion. I see no evidence to call Vietnam and other so-called socialist countries (China, Cuba, North Korea, etc), anything other than dictatorships.

CM, you forgot "I'm a libertarian, so I'd never join the commies."

Patriotism is different though. You favour a country, with being a member of a party, that's a more chosen path because I could be a die hard conservative, which I see as no different that being a die hard communist besides the views. Party alliance and National partriotism are fairly different actually. And we don't just speak English, a lot speak French.

CM, you forgot "I'm a libertarian, so I'd never join the commies."

Or you could become a libertarian socialist.

Patriotism is different though. You favour a country, with being a member of a party, that's a more choosen path because I could be a die hard conservative, which I see as no different that being a die hard communist besides the views. Party alliance and National partriotism are fairly different actually. And we don't just speak english, a lot speak French.

But both patriotism and complete party loyalty are equally blind. On a basic level, there is not much difference between "proletarian internationalism" and "nationalism"

(And yes, please don't presume me totally ignorant about Canada, Je parle francais et je veux visiter le quebec....but i'm tired so forgive my oversight there...but i never said all of you were native english speakers now did I?)

Actually Luckdonia, I posted that asking CM.
Yeah but has he answered?

Meh. Commies. I think the entire idea is warped. I mean, either or. The only people whose political affiliations count are intelligent people. Too many join greens or reds because its counter to the status quo. And many hard core commies have personal beefs with local affiliations.

I am not a commie, nor do I plan to be. I certainly don't want to turn out a fascist nazi commie. That's not only an oxymoron, its a reputation that any moral human being could do without.

However, no person should ever be totally opposed to "ever" becoming part of a morally innocuous political affiliation. Unless a political affiliation cites the destruction of property or personality, quote-unquote "harmless" reds aren't a problem. I'm more averse to secularist atheists and gun-toting NRA libertarians. Those are the dangers to society, I'm afraid. Also, racist communists aren't any fun either. ;)

Meh. Commies. I think the entire idea is warped. I mean, either or. The only people whose political affiliations count are intelligent people. Too many join greens or reds because its counter to the status quo. And many hard core commies have personal beefs with local affiliations.

But you can't alienate all (or as you said, "many") socialists, greens, or communists as stupid...thats a totally unfair generalisation. There are legitimate and perfectly intelligent reasons to oppose the status quo...what is common is not always right.

That said, there are stupid communists. But you have to take every one as they come...

To answer Luckdonia, no, but that wasn't whether he was a Commie or not, it was about something else. To Kanabia, you speak French and have visited Quebec. "Bugger Pretty much the only common english speaking country that doesnt follow the Red White Blue rule" no, you didn't say outright it but from that quote I can only assume that you mean't it. I thought you may be hinting at it.

You need an option between #3 and #4. I agree with some parts of communism and not with others, and I probably would never join any communist party. However, I don't think communism is evil. It's problem is that it is too good. It would only work for honest, unselfish, perfect people.

Also, you used the definite article. Are you trying to refer to a particular communist party? If you are referring to the Communist Party USA, I would never ever join them. They sound like Leninists and Stalinists, from what I've heard.

To answer Luckdonia, no, but that wasn't whether he was a Commie or not, it was about something else. To Kanabia, you speak French and have visited Quebec. "Bugger Pretty much the only common english speaking country that doesnt follow the Red White Blue rule" no, you didn't say outright it but from that quote I can only assume that you mean't it. I thought you may be hinting at it.

Not "I have visited" but "I want to visit."

And im as guilty as you are of making assumptions here. I assumed from your response (which sounded defensive) that you were Quebecois...

Oh me, nah I can hardly speak French, although I spent two weeks in rural Quebec this summer. About my error, I missed a word so I assumed have been to. If you do go by the way, go to Montreal and Quebec City. Most to do there and people actually speak English in those cities.

Oh me, nah I can hardly speak French, although I spent two weeks in rural Quebec this summer. About my error, I missed a word so I assumed want to go. If you do by the way, go to Montreal and Quebec City. Most to do there and people actually speak English in those cities.

Yeah. I'm hoping for an exchange program with my university (either there or France itself), so I probably end up in either one of those cities if I end up going to Canada.

Anyway, its been enlightening, but its late and i'm dead on my feet...

I hate technocracy!

Then why are you part of it?

Then why are you part of it?You can hate something and be part of it at the same time, there is no conflict.

Letila's 17, so he's part of all kinds of things that in 20 years he'll look back at and say "Geez, was that ever a mistake". Happens to a lot of people. While it doesn't conflict (hating something and yet being part of it) it doesn seem a tad odd, don't you think?

Letila's 17, so he's part of all kinds of things that in 20 years he'll look back at and say "Geez, was that ever a mistake". Happens to a lot of people. While it doesn't conflict (hating something and yet being part of it) it doesn seem a tad odd, don't you think?
No I don't, sorry. I'm part of many things I hate.
This is not odd because you don't have control over everything.

goes to show that while totally clueless about the natural processes of, survival etc, communists still manage to twist things around so that arguements against them can be said to be arguements for them.
Ummm...people are more likely to survive through cooperation than through competition.

Yeah but has he answered?


CM started out communist, then a fascist revolution toppled the government.

There, I answered it.