NationStates Jolt Archive

Note: This isn't an argument about the right to bear arms. If you want to know my personal opinion, I'm a strong advocate for the Second Amendment.
This is merely social commentary.

"Any fool can pull a trigger." A line from the movie, 'Enter The Dragon'. One of my favorites. And damn true. Guns are(among their more beneficial uses), tools that the weak use to oppress and dominate the strong. This is not what guns are meant to do. Guns are meant to hunt with and to defend your life and your freedom. That's ALL.

People need to learn to solve disagrements with their fists. People, especially the authorities, need to learn to LET people solve disagreements with their fists. I honestly believe the reason why there are so many killings in the world is because there aren't enough beatings.

Most importantly, people will survive to learn from their mistakes. Guns pretty much sever the learning curve right in it's tracks.

I have a shotgun. I value what it represents. I also hold it in great disdain.

Yes, the weak old ladies in wheelchairs who are too chicken to fight off three young punks who have clubs...

Yes, the weak bed-ridden who are too lazy to go hand-to-hand with a 6'2 200lb man who is built like an ox and carrying a knife.


Damn the weak!


Guns level the playing field, making everybody on the same footing, or having the potential to be so. It's all about training and accuracy... The reason criminals love gun control is it assures their victims will likely be unarmed.

Yes, the weak old ladies in wheelchairs who are too chicken to fight off three young punks who have clubs...

Yes, the weak bed-ridden who are too lazy to go hand-to-hand with a 6'2 200lb man who is built like an ox and carrying a knife.



You make my point nicely. Yes. That's precisely who guns are for. *nod*

Yes, the weak old ladies in wheelchairs who are too chicken to fight off three young punks who have clubs...

Yes, the weak bed-ridden who are too lazy to go hand-to-hand with a 6'2 200lb man who is built like an ox and carrying a knife.


Damn the weak!


Guns level the playing field, making everybody on the same footing, or having the potential to be so. It's all about training and accuracy... The reason criminals love gun control is it assures their victims will likely be unarmed.Right, but in preserving those people's ability to defend themselves, 11,000 people a year are dying from legal weapons.

Anyway, lets not get into this in LG's thread, which was very funny.

What do you think about knives and bow and arrow.

swords are for the strong, anyone who can sword fight without armour, block attacks, and be able to attack, and come out unhurt are superior to those with guns

People need to learn to solve disagrements with their fists. People, especially the authorities, need to learn to LET people solve disagreements with their fists. I honestly believe the reason why there are so many killings in the world is because there aren't enough beatings.



No thanks. Fortunately most of us believe in being able to live our lives in a so-called modern democracy without fighting in the streets. There are all sorts of problems with police forces but to paraphrase a great saying 'It's the least worst form of civil behaviour' to employ 'independent' peace keepers.

What do you think about knives and bow and arrow.

I'm a big opponent to killing except in defense of one's life.

However, they require significant skill to use well. Especially bows and arrows. There'd be a lot less drive-by shootings. Hehehe.

swords are for the strong, anyone who can sword fight without armour, block attacks, and be able to attack, and come out unhurt are superior to those with guns

Far superior. Again, I don't approve of killing. But you need to practice and practice hard and often to use swords well against other people with swords.

very much agreed...
...thats why I practice with swords of wood, they are good for practice they don't kill

I'm a big opponent to killing except in defense of one's life.

However, they require significant skill to use well. Especially bows and arrows. There'd be a lot less drive-by shootings. Hehehe.
Its sorta like the $5000 bullet thing; if someone is willing to pay that much to kill you, then you must've done something wrong. If someone is that determined to kill you as to driveby with a bow and arrow, then you must've done something wrong

I agree, guns are for the weak, they are not even physically doing the damage. It is the bullet, which is completely disconnected from the shooter that does the damage. Now go out and beat a deer to death with a club, and I would be impressed at your strength and your speed.

I agree for the most part that guns are tools for the weak - how many people *seriously* use a gun to protect themselves anymore? It seems they are used more for sport/hunting or criminal activity . . .

I agree for the most part that guns are tools for the weak - how many people *seriously* use a gun to protect themselves anymore? It seems they are used more for sport/hunting or criminal activity . . .


Last year guns were used over 1 million times in the USA to deter or stop crime. Most of the cases were the intended victim simply brandished his/her gun and the attack ceased.

About 200 of the cases involved the attacker being killed.

Last year guns were used over 1 million times in the USA to deter or stop crime. Most of the cases were the intended victim simply brandished his/her gun and the attack ceased.

About 200 of the cases involved the attacker being killed.

What a sad way for a democracy to behave.

What a sad way for a democracy to behave.


Yeah, I'd rather have people be totally dependent on the government to protect them. That way if the government doesn't like your beliefs, they can simply withhold the police protection. Much like how Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe holds food relief... Or how the terrorists in Somalia seized the shipments of food.

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swords are for the strong, anyone who can sword fight without armour, block attacks, and be able to attack, and come out unhurt are superior to those with guns
True dat.

Can I borrow a quote from the late, great Bill Hicks:

Like, I was over in England. You ever been to England, anyone, been to England? No one has handguns in England, not even the cops. True or false? True. Now-in England last year, they had fourteen deaths from handguns. FFFFFourteen. Now-the United States, and I think you know how we feel about handguns-woooo, I'm getting a warm tingly feeling just saying the f*****g word, to be honest with you. I swear to you, I am hard. Twenty-three thousand deaths from handguns. Now let's go through those numbers again, because they're a little baffling at first glance. England, where no one has guns, fffffffourteen deaths. United States, and I think you know how we feel about guns-woooo, I'm getting a stiffy-twenty-three thousand deaths from handguns. But there's no connection, and you'd be a fool and a Communist to make one. There's no connection between having a gun and shooting someone with it, and not having a gun and not shooting someone. There have been studies made and there is no connection at all there. Yes. That's absolute proof. You know, fourteen deaths from handguns. Probably American tourists, too.
(Angry tourist voice) You call this a sandwich? BANG! BANG! You don't boil pizza! BANG! BANG!
(Scared English voice) That's the way we eat here, that's the way we eat here! BANG!
(Tourist voice) This food sucks! BANG!

;)

(P.S. My personal stance is NOT for a total ban on guns, but tighter licensing and responsible ownership).

;)

(P.S. My personal stance is NOT for a total ban on guns, but tighter licensing and responsible ownership).


It's a common misconception that licenses and registration is a requirement. Most states don't mandate it. Mine does not. I have a massively large number of guns and not a single one is registered or licensed. And I'll never register or license them. I'll never let the government get a clue I've got a nice little arsenal going.

My personal stance is you play with your guns, I'll play with mine. You just keep your hands off my rod, get your own! :D

It's a common misconception that licenses and registration is a requirement. Most states don't mandate it. Mine does not. I have a massively large number of guns and not a single one is registered or licensed. And I'll never register or license them. I'll never let the government get a clue I've got a nice little arsenal going.

My personal stance is you play with your guns, I'll play with mine. You just keep your hands off my rod, get your own! :D

Why?

People need to learn to solve disagrements with their fists. People, especially the authorities, need to learn to LET people solve disagreements with their fists. I honestly believe the reason why there are so many killings in the world is because there aren't enough beatings.

I like your thinking, sir.

Why?



Because in every instance of registration, it has resulted in future confiscation. About 10 years ago in California, they registered all "assault-rifles" promising it would never be used as a confiscation list. A few years later, they took them all!

Same thing in Australia, England, New Zealand, with pistols, rifles, shotguns, assault rifles, etc.

These are supposedly democratic governments.


In the People's Republic of California they then registered SKS rifles, and then banned them a few months later, and used the registration list as the tool to confiscate them.


I wonder how many criminals rushed to register their guns?

I think only misguided folks who are so bound and determined to obey any and all laws are the ones who register guns... Not knowing how their government can betray them so greatly.

Guns > Swords

Because in every instance of registration, it has resulted in future confiscation. About 10 years ago in California, they registered all "assault-rifles" promising it would never be used as a confiscation list. A few years later, they took them all!

Same thing in Australia, England, New Zealand, with pistols, rifles, shotguns, assault rifles, etc.

These are supposedly democratic governments.


In the People's Republic of California they then registered SKS rifles, and then banned them a few months later, and used the registration list as the tool to confiscate them.
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I wonder how many criminals rushed to register their guns?

I think only misguided folks who are so bound and determined to obey any and all laws are the ones who register guns... Not knowing how their government can betray them so greatly.


And gun crime, as has been beautifully pointed out, in the countries you quote is a fraction of the US...and yes, that' allowing for the population difference.

And gun crime, as has been beautifully pointed out, in the countries you quote is a fraction of the US...and yes, that' allowing for the population difference.

Gun crime in those nations have ALWAYS been a fraction of the US, right?

[may be wrong, someone check this].

Gun crime in those nations have ALWAYS been a fraction of the US, right?

[may be wrong, someone check this].

Correct. Americans (not Canadians) have a wonderful pioneering spirit. It's that spirit that got a man on the moon.........with a little help from some Germans...........but nonetheless, it was this spirit that accomplished it. There's an old saying that says that 'Americans 'settled' the west and brought in law and order after. Canadians took the law with them'. Like Moore or not, like his methods or not, he is right in saying that the American phsyce (which is very much the pioneering spirit) is based on not liking authority. Well, we here in GB don't like authority much either but we gladly accept that an armed public is a danger to the state. Perhaps we are lucky here and in those other countries, including Cananda, we hold our police accountable to any and all actions. We don't need guns to defend ourselves, our government does it very well. And as long as that lasts, that's fine by me.

Correct. Americans (not Canadians) have a wonderful pioneering spirit. It's that spirit that got a man on the moon.........with a little help from some Germans...........but nonetheless, it was this spirit that accomplished it. There's an old saying that says that 'Americans 'settled' the west and brought in law and order after. Canadians took the law with them'. Like Moore or not, like his methods or not, he is right in saying that the American phsyce (which is very much the pioneering spirit) is based on not liking authority. Well, we here in GB don't like authority much either but we gladly accept that an armed public is a danger to the state. Perhaps we are lucky here and in those other countries, including Cananda, we hold our police accountable to any and all actions. We don't need guns to defend ourselves, our government does it very well. And as long as that lasts, that's fine by me.

Your government cannot defend you from a burglarly and rape rate more than three times that in the USA.

Nor can it defend your coasts from the waves of rotten "Asylum seekers".

Your government cannot defend you from a burglarly and rape rate more than three times that in the USA.

Nor can it defend your coasts from the waves of rotten "Asylum seekers".

Some of us don't see asylum seekers as rotten and we're much better at it than your lot are with Mexicans. Our burglary rate is higher, per citizen, than the US but your rape crimes are way above us.

Some of us don't see asylum seekers as rotten and we're much better at it than your lot are with Mexicans. Our burglary rate is higher, per citizen, than the US but your rape crimes are way above us.


Remember about 65% of all violent crimes in the USA are committed by negroes.

20-30% are committed by mestizoes.


You're 45 x as likely to be killed by a black as a white.
20 x by a mestizo as a white.
2 x by an indian as a white.
3/4 x by an asian as a white. (But asians are such a small minority, they should be expected to be a small percent of crime. Blacks are a minority, but they commit a majority of crime... See any problems here?)

Note: This isn't an argument about the right to bear arms. If you want to know my personal opinion, I'm a strong advocate for the Second Amendment.
This is merely social commentary.

"Any fool can pull a trigger." A line from the movie, 'Enter The Dragon'. One of my favorites. And damn true. Guns are(among their more beneficial uses), tools that the weak use to oppress and dominate the strong. This is not what guns are meant to do. Guns are meant to hunt with and to defend your life and your freedom. That's ALL.

People need to learn to solve disagrements with their fists. People, especially the authorities, need to learn to LET people solve disagreements with their fists. I honestly believe the reason why there are so many killings in the world is because there aren't enough beatings.

Most importantly, people will survive to learn from their mistakes. Guns pretty much sever the learning curve right in it's tracks.

I have a shotgun. I value what it represents. I also hold it in great disdain.
I think you fail to realize that most people don't own guns to kill people with them.

Remember about 65% of all violent crimes in the USA are committed by negroes.

20-30% are committed by mestizoes.


You're 45 x as likely to be killed by a black as a white.
20 x by a mestizo as a white.
2 x by an indian as a white.
3/4 x by an asian as a white. (But asians are such a small minority, they should be expected to be a small percent of crime. Blacks are a minority, but they commit a majority of crime... See any problems here?)

Yes, I see the problem. Get rid of your guns. Easy ain't it?

Yes, I see the problem. Get rid of your guns. Easy ain't it?


92% of legal gun owners are white. Why punish them for the actions of beastly non-whites? (Note, not all non-whites are beasts, but a massively large % are)


Get rid of non-whites, easy, isn't it?

People need to learn to solve disagrements with their fists. People, especially the authorities, need to learn to LET people solve disagreements with their fists. I honestly believe the reason why there are so many killings in the world is because there aren't enough beatings.

The reason we invented civilisation was so that people would not have to put up with thugs who think like that.

92% of legal gun owners are white. Why punish them for the actions of beastly non-whites? (Note, not all non-whites are beasts, but a massively large % are)


Get rid of non-whites, easy, isn't it?
Or, if you have a problem with the minorities in the U.S., leave. Simple enough?

I think you fail to realize that most people don't own guns to kill people with them.

What do they have them for? To pick their teeth? There's not many other uses for a gun.

Or, if you have a problem with the minorities in the U.S., leave. Simple enough?


1) And go where?

2) Majorities shouldn't be at the mercy of minorities.

3) The USA was built by and for Whites.

1) And go where?

Who cares?

1) And go where?

2) Majorities shouldn't be at the mercy of minorities.

3) The USA was built by and for Whites.

2) Is correct. But that didn't stop your countrymen from killing the native Indians and resticting them into lousy camps.

3) You forgot the Blacks and Asians.

3) You forgot the Blacks and Asians.



Naturalization Act of 1790.

Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882.

You could go to Switzerland, I'm pretty sure it's mostly white. I can't guarantee they'll be happy to see you, but it'd be cool with me.

You could go to Switzerland, I'm pretty sure it's mostly white. I can't guarantee they'll be happy to see you, but it'd be cool with me.


Large numbers of Asylum seekers.


Besides, I shouldn't have to move because other people invade my land in a form of colonialism and imperialism termed "Immigration."

It's the same result, just without open fighting and wars that often accompany imperialism.

What do they have them for? To pick their teeth? There's not many other uses for a gun.
No one questions why I own a Super Nintendo, but I could still bash someone's skull in with it.

What do you think about knives and bow and arrow.


I think that hunting should be done more with bow's and arrows. It's far more sportsman-like to hunt with a bow and arrow. I've gone hunting with a gun, and I feel guilty shooting a deer with a gun, when all it did was walk under the wrong tree. I'd feel better knowing I had to be stealthy in the woods for hours, and had to get close enough to shoot it with a bow/arrow.

Same thing with swords...if you can fight/defend with one, you are far superior to people who fight with guns!

I think that hunting should be done more with bow's and arrows. It's far more sportsman-like to hunt with a bow and arrow. I've gone hunting with a gun, and I feel guilty shooting a deer with a gun, when all it did was walk under the wrong tree. I'd feel better knowing I had to be stealthy in the woods for hours, and had to get close enough to shoot it with a bow/arrow.

Same thing with swords...if you can fight/defend with one, you are far superior to people who fight with guns!


I think you'll find that a smart man who can invent a gun to strike down a strong man with a sword, will probably pass his genes on and thus is more desirable from an evolutionary view.

I think that hunting should be done more with bow's and arrows. It's far more sportsman-like to hunt with a bow and arrow. I've gone hunting with a gun, and I feel guilty shooting a deer with a gun, when all it did was walk under the wrong tree. I'd feel better knowing I had to be stealthy in the woods for hours, and had to get close enough to shoot it with a bow/arrow.

True, it does take a lot more skill to hunt with a bow. Which is why bow hunting only has about a 50% retrieval rate. If you're good enough to consistently get a quick, clean kill with a bow, then more power to you, but about half the time the animal is injured needlessly. And about feeling guilty shooting a deer with a gun: It's not as if you're punishing it for walking under the wrong tree, you're simply using the means available to you to obtain food (unless you're just trophy hunting, which I do have a problem with, but that's not the issue here).

And on the same note, I do have an idea to make it more sportsmanlike. If we could strap lasers to all the deers' heads...

I think that hunting should be done more with bow's and arrows. It's far more sportsman-like to hunt with a bow and arrow. I've gone hunting with a gun, and I feel guilty shooting a deer with a gun, when all it did was walk under the wrong tree. I'd feel better knowing I had to be stealthy in the woods for hours, and had to get close enough to shoot it with a bow/arrow.

Screw that. From now on, I'm hunting with swords.

I think you'll find that a smart man who can invent a gun to strike down a strong man with a sword, will probably pass his genes on and thus is more desirable from an evolutionary view.

Heh, yes, but we aren't talking about inventing guns, we're talking about taking your cash down to Big Bubba's Guns & Liquor depot and buying a gun - you don't really need any superior genes to do that.

P.S. Does this make the Chinese superior to Caucasians, since they invented gunpowder? (yes yes, I am aware that they didn't invent guns though, Europeans did - but still, they wouldn't have if the Chinese hadn't invented the powder...;))

Heh, yes, but we aren't talking about inventing guns, we're talking about taking your cash down to Big Bubba's Guns & Liquor depot and buying a gun - you don't really need any superior genes to do that.

P.S. Does this make the Chinese superior to Caucasians, since they invented gunpowder? (yes yes, I am aware that they didn't invent guns though, Europeans did - but still, they wouldn't have if the Chinese hadn't invented the powder...;))


The chinese didn't know what to do with it, they made fireworks. It was we glorious Europeans who realized the potential killing power of the new miracle gunpowder. (Although it's a shame we Europeans have established a bad habit of killing each other, when we should be uniting against our commone enemy... The jew)

Well, we here in GB don't like authority much either but we gladly accept that an armed public is a danger to the state.

Exactly! Do the Brits want to go back to tyranny? The old tyranny was even restrained, as there were laws requiring people to own weapons back in those days. Some of them are still on the books, as I recall.

What do they use them for?

Recreation, competition, collecting, self-defense...