NationStates Jolt Archive

Burkhas were the head to toe "potato sacks" the Taliban made women wear under their regime.

Oh right of course. Hmm, well I wouldn't put FF past trying to make everyone wear an amish-like attire....for starters...

Oh right of course. Hmm, well I wouldn't put FF past trying to make everyone wear an amish-like attire....for starters...

I guess I better get started on that beard then.... :(

I guess I better get started on that beard then.... :(

lol, good call

I swear, this has been the first time in about 3 years that I have actually wanted the Liberals to get the seat (Liberals are just angels compared to these nutjobs)

lol, good call

I swear, this has been the first time in about 3 years that I have actually wanted the Liberals to get the seat (Liberals are just angels compared to these nutjobs)

Agreed. Being an atheist I have an aversion to religion based parties regardless of their denomination.

Me too. I have no problem what religion a politician subscribes to so long as they recognise the need to keep it separate from politics.

To be honest, I suspect both Liberal and Labor to have implemented the gay marriage ban based on this (because there is scant little to base an anti-marriage stance on without it), hence I regard both of their social policies with a degree of contempt...

Incidentally, that issue is what inspired me to take a look at the Demos, and thus change my political allegance to them (on most issues anyway): Bartlett in particular gained respect there.

Me too. I have no problem what religion a politician subscribes to so long as they recognise the need to keep it separate from politics.

To be honest, I suspect both Liberal and Labor to have implemented the gay marriage ban based on this (because there is scant little to base an anti-marriage stance on without it), hence I regard both of their social policies with a degree of contempt...

Incidentally, that issue is what inspired me to take a look at the Demos, and thus change my political allegance to them (on most issues anyway): Bartlett in particular gained respect there.

You might need to jump from that sinking ship soon though!

[QUOTE=Overtyrant Adrian]
And yet despite all this, somehow the Australian people fell for it, hook, line and sinker. My faith in the intelligence and integrity of the "Average Australian" just sunk to a new low.

The average Australian voter, unlike yourself, has a lot of commonsense, and

the only way a party will loose leadership of this country is if they stuff the

economy, Liberal has not done that, so if something isnt broken, you dont try

to fix it.

Labor is and always has been as long as I can remember anyway, the big

promises party, dazzel them with new ideas, then run the country into the

ground with dumb policys, then say 'this is the recession we had to have'

pack of wankers, they shouldnt even be recognised as a political party, they

screw up everything they touch.

Now they have jumped in bed with the Greens lol even bigger idiots.

Basically the voting public will be divided into two groups, if you vote Labor or

the Greens your dumb and a looser, if you vote Coalition your smart and a

winner.

They will say anything to get in, and you accuse Howard of being a liar.

Why the Coalition, because they care about Australia.

Labor only cares about one thing...the Labor party.

Damn it, I think I wanna leave this country and start my own. Anyone care to join me? :rolleyes:

Leave lol, the country would be better off, and take anyone else

who votes for stupid partys like Labor or the Greens too.

Because were honestly better off without you.

:headbang: yeah I know, thus (for now) ends liberalism in Australian politics.

Stupid Greens, Labour and FF, god I hate them all.

This thread has convinced me that Australian right and left wingers are far more reasonable than their US counterparts. :)

Also, I wouldn't worry about the Howard government control of the senate. If you're pro Liberal, it's great for obvious reasons. If you're pro Labor it's also great, because it means that it'll give Howard a free hand to do what he wants and prove that he's a terrible person (from a left-winger's perspective ;)).

Frankly, I think we'll find the reality will be more mundane. Historically, whenever a government has gained control of the senate they've suddenly become reluctant to use the power it gives them (probably because they fear a backlash). Usually when they do use it, it's to do little silly things like getting AusSat up. ;) And even if Howard goes a bit crazy about it, the Nationals suddenly have realised they have a strong bargaining position once again to influence government policy.

Terminalia, you do realise that if Hawke hadn't have screwed over the unions (like only a Labor party can), Howard's labour market reforms would have been a pipe-dream? The ALP has done good things for the economy. Apart from the RWHtH, the ALP really only stuffed up majorly under Whitlam, and we know he was about as left as you get in the Labor party. Economic rationalism and economic reform really started in 1983. To me, Howard seems to be the continuation of that. However, I think both parties policies are often rather rough around the edges, and probably missing out on some important points.

Keating did Hawke over, not the Unions.

Keating did Hawke over, not the Unions.

Interesting you say that. Keating was treasurer and Hawke, the PM at the time. Now we have Howard as PM and Costello as treasurer. Will Costello backstab his boss like Keating?

Interesting you say that. Keating was treasurer and Hawke, the PM at the time. Now we have Howard as PM and Costello as treasurer. Will Costello backstab his boss like Keating?

I doubt it. Liberal is in power because of their stability. Any changing of the guard with regards to the leadership of the Liberals will be a peaceful transition, at least publicly. ;)

[QUOTE= Jeruselem Interesting you say that. Keating was treasurer and Hawke, the PM at the time. Now we have Howard as PM and Costello as treasurer. Will Costello backstab his boss like Keating?[/QUOTE]

No Howards got too much support, in fact it was commented on last week

that no party has ever given its leader as much support as this one in

Australian politics.

The only hope Costello has, is Howard resigning in 18

months.

Then we'll have the Abbott and Costello show.

I always supported Howard

As did I, a truly decent bloke.

Indeed.