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To any communist:

I will respect your opinion much more if you will get a job and still have an extremely communistic viewpoint after working for at least a year...

I have a job!

And you will notice no one else has posted

More importantly:

STOP SMOKING MARIJUANA

Maybe, just maybe, communists don't have jobs because capitalism doesn't have employment opportunities all the time. Some efficient market, huh?

I Have A Job-have Worked For 10 Years+.
I Am Still Commie/pinko/liberal/lefty Whatever
What Is Your Fucking Point?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I've been working for years. (I'm sure I've mentioned that I work before on here).

Maybe, just maybe, communists don't have jobs because capitalism doesn't have employment opportunities all the time. Some efficient market, huh?


so you dont work but its not your fault eh? for smeg sakes

But...... I'm also not a communist.

Where I work I have this one kid who keeps coming in (we get about 2 visitors a day, so you tend to notice people) to see all these objects we got from a local citizen, from the Eastern Front (there are several Mauser rounds, a few rounds for a Mosin-Nagant, and a picture of this man on a what he claims to be a T34 (you don't actually see what he is standing on)), he's a devout communist, but when I asked him if he would like to volunteer to help us out in getting ready for our "Town in Lights" festival he said he had other things to do, then promplty came into the place on that very night. When asked what he was doing, he said "nothing".... Gah, lazy communist!

Maybe, just maybe, communists don't have jobs because capitalism doesn't have employment opportunities all the time. Some efficient market, huh?

No, they just can't get a job because they have no skills worth mentioning and would be a pain in the ass to work with because they'd rant all day about how they hate their job.

Why would you respect them more for (possibly, depending on the person) violating their own morality? Personally, I would deeply respect someone who denounced the capitalist system and then followed through with their words by living on the street. Denouncing a system and then contributing to it is spinelessness.

Why would you respect them more for (possibly, depending on the person) violating their own morality? Personally, I would deeply respect someone who denounced the capitalist system and then followed through with their words by living on the street. Denouncing a system and then contributing to it is spinelessness.

Why should people who do work support these people who choose not to? I couldn't care less what their political beliefs are.

If communists didn't have jobs, then the Russian revolution wouldn't have happened.

If communists didn't have jobs, then the Russian revolution wouldn't have happened.
You don't have a job.

If communists didn't have jobs, then the Russian revolution wouldn't have happened.

Communists weren't the only ones who revolted against the Czar.

If communists didn't have jobs, then the Russian revolution wouldn't have happened.

Oh, a cabal of ultra-violent maniacs got lucky in the chaos of WWI Russia and managed to convince enough workers to join them in their murderous spree. Some "revolution".

Why should people who do work support these people who choose not to? I couldn't care less what their political beliefs are.Because no country has the potential for full employment under the current system. So there will always be some who are unemployed so as far as I'm concerned it might as well be those who want to be. I work, but that's because I've got a job I enjoy and that I think is ethically sound and socially useful. I don't think I'd be any less of a person if I didn't work.

(Can the capitalists on here mention whether they're employed or not in the interests of balance).

Why would you respect them more for (possibly, depending on the person) violating their own morality? Personally, I would deeply respect someone who denounced the capitalist system and then followed through with their words by living on the street. Denouncing a system and then contributing to it is spinelessness.
Thats such bullshit.
So I am supposed to starve on the streets because of my beliefs?
How am I supposed to buy guns for the revolution?
By working & saving up.

Yep, your supposed to starve and freeze to death, that'll definetly get your point across. :D

Okay if you're a communist, I will assume you are for the most common reason, that you believe in total distribution of wealth, that no one should have more than anyone else... (i.e, help the working class)

So... in that case... why don't you...

Open up your own company, hire a bunch of low payed minimum wage workers (or even better, homeless people), pay them alot more, and take the money out of your own pocket, so that YOU, the president, the one who worked so hard to build up the entire business empire, will be payed no more than the lowest employee in your company (i.e everybody in your company is payed the same)

Once you've created a company successfully running under communist ideals, come back and talk to me again and tell me that communism works great and is fair.

You're talking about setting up a Communist "COMPANY!"
in a Capitalist country,there is so much wrong with that argument I don't know where to start.
Lets talk about whats wrong with Capitalism.
Pop stars/Sportstars/celebrities etc...doing TV appeals for some Famine or disaster stricken country,asking Working class people to donate money with a straight face,whilst wearing jewellery worth several hundred thousand pounds,
then going back to one of several mansions in one of their several sports cars/luxury cars,
Whilst kids die of starvation and disease.

You don't have a job.
Doesn't he clean a chicken house 10 hours a week?

Okay if you're a communist, I will assume you are for the most common reason, that you believe in total distribution of wealth, that no one should have more than anyone else... (i.e, help the working class)

So... in that case... why don't you...

Open up your own company, hire a bunch of low payed minimum wage workers (or even better, homeless people), pay them alot more, and take the money out of your own pocket, so that YOU, the president, the one who worked so hard to build up the entire business empire, will be payed no more than the lowest employee in your company (i.e everybody in your company is payed the same)

Once you've created a company successfully running under communist ideals, come back and talk to me again and tell me that communism works great and is fair.
I lean towards Communism,I don't know about TOTAL distribution of wealth,there has to be some incentive for people to contribute,but maybe a ceiling on earnings/possesions.Some people have too much shit.I like nice things too.That's human nature,ever since a caveman picked up a shiny stone and kept it because it looked nice.But how much shit do you need? You see Rappers/Rock stars/Footballers spending a million on jewellery and they still buy more.Maybe some sort of Government Incentive scheme,based on your individual skills,contributions to society and achievements.

Doesn't he clean a chicken house 10 hours a week?
Not that he's admitted.

Not that he's admitted.
I remember that he mentioned it on the old forums.

The longer I've worked, the more (anarcho) communist I've gotten.

Okay if you're a communist, I will assume you are for the most common reason, that you believe in total distribution of wealth, that no one should have more than anyone else... (i.e, help the working class)

So... in that case... why don't you...

Open up your own company, hire a bunch of low payed minimum wage workers (or even better, homeless people), pay them alot more, and take the money out of your own pocket, so that YOU, the president, the one who worked so hard to build up the entire business empire, will be payed no more than the lowest employee in your company (i.e everybody in your company is payed the same)

Once you've created a company successfully running under communist ideals, come back and talk to me again and tell me that communism works great and is fair.
Sure, give me the start up capital.

You're talking about setting up a Communist "COMPANY!"
in a Capitalist country,there is so much wrong with that argument I don't know where to start.
Lets talk about whats wrong with Capitalism.
Pop stars/Sportstars/celebrities etc...doing TV appeals for some Famine or disaster stricken country,asking Working class people to donate money with a straight face,whilst wearing jewellery worth several hundred thousand pounds,
then going back to one of several mansions in one of their several sports cars/luxury cars,
Whilst kids die of starvation and disease.

And of course, communism will cure all diseases and end all starvation?
As long as there are people, some of them will starve and be ill.
That's that.

*Has noticed she's listening to song titled "Rwanda"*

Why would you respect them more for (possibly, depending on the person) violating their own morality? Personally, I would deeply respect someone who denounced the capitalist system and then followed through with their words by living on the street. Denouncing a system and then contributing to it is spinelessness.
I agree, therefore they should also accept no aid from the government until it gives aid to everyone equally. Which as long as people are working it wont do that. I actually hate seeing communist(wannabes),vote,work,, purchase goods from privitized industry.

I agree, therefore they should also accept no aid from the government until it gives aid to everyone equally. Which as long as people are working it wont do that. I actually hate seeing communist(wannabes),vote,work,, purchase goods from privitized industry.

Uh, I hate to pick on you, but where did the clothes you are wearing now come from? (Ehh...I hope you are wearing clothes)

Where did your last meal come from?

Where did the computer you are using come from?

The longer I've worked, the more (anarcho) communist I've gotten.

ditto...

I lean towards Communism,I don't know about TOTAL distribution of wealth,there has to be some incentive for people to contribute,but maybe a ceiling on earnings/possesions.Some people have too much shit.I like nice things too.That's human nature,ever since a caveman picked up a shiny stone and kept it because it looked nice.But how much shit do you need? You see Rappers/Rock stars/Footballers spending a million on jewellery and they still buy more.Maybe some sort of Government Incentive scheme,based on your individual skills,contributions to society and achievements.
That's backwards. If everyone had enough, why does it matter if someone has heaps more than anyone else? I don't begrudge Bill Gates his billions because I have enough. I think fundamentally a lot of "communists" in Western countries are just jealous of the wealth of others and want their stuff without relying on luck/hard work. I personally am a happy proponent of the moderated free market because I'm essentially satiated.

The longer I've worked, the more (anarcho) communist I've gotten.

Yup, me too. Nothing like 13 years direct experience of being ripped off to sour you on the whole capitalist system.

To any communist:

I will respect your opinion much more if you will get a job and still have an extremely communistic viewpoint after working for at least a year...

Working for over a year now. Probably more left-leaning than when I started out. Your point?

Oh, a cabal of ultra-violent maniacs got lucky in the chaos of WWI Russia and managed to convince enough workers to join them in their murderous spree. Some "revolution".
If you are a leader and you piss your people off enough, then you deserve anything you get.

The lesson is: respect the lower classes-no, respect your citizens,
or face the bloody consequences.


More importantly:

STOP SMOKING MARIJUANA

There's nothing wrong with the green [flame self-deleted] and it isn't communist property. It predates any idea of communism by thousands of years.

There's nothing wrong with the green, asshat.

Agreed!