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We'll hear "Saddam" ad nauseum. We'll hear about how Kerry is a flip-flopper without the moral fortitude to lead this country in it's (self-created) time of need. We'll hear about presumed tax increases by Kerry (that will be needed because of that little thing called A RECORD DEFICIT!) We'll see moderate Rebublicans paraded around like zoo animals. We'll hear about No Child Left Funded. We'll hear about "Family Values" at a time when more and more families have no valuables left.

But I guarantee the Right do not want to remind their short attention span listeners about OBL and Al Qaeda.

We'll hear about No Child Left Funded.
Federal education funding has increased massively under Bush. If you want to have talking points, at least get them right.

Federal education funding has increased massively under Bush. If you want to have talking points, at least get them right.

No child left behind had a bunch of it's money cut.

Massively increased? Pete Wilson Republican ex Gov of California made the same claims until somebody dug and found his increases were mandated by law.

As to Bin Laden?

Of course they won't mention him. It would spoil the October Surprise. ;)

No child left behind had a bunch of it's money cut.

Massively increased? Pete Wilson Republican ex Gov of California made the same claims until somebody dug and found his increases were mandated by law.
Ok. They were still increased though, no? Bush has increased the education budget more in his first 4 years than Clinton did in 8 IIRC (and most of Clinton's increases came when the Republicans dominated Congress)

Oh, wow! Your sardonic comments instantly turned me liberal! Now I want to join in a gay pride parade.

And a sidenote: Tax cuts are necessary during times of economic turmoil because they mean more spending money for people, more things get bought, and the economy gets progressively better, which is always more important then the governments money problem. See, they're thinking about the citizens first.

Oh, wow! Your sardonic comments instantly turned me liberal! Now I want to join in a gay pride parade.

And a sidenote: Tax cuts are necessary during times of economic turmoil because they mean more spending money for people, more things get bought, and the economy gets progressively better, which is always more important then the governments money problem. See, they're thinking about the citizens first.


Wow now I am a conservative. Let's put the 10 commandments in every class room. Let's outlaw homosexuality. :rolleyes:

Tax cuts work when there is not a high debt load. The shrubs cuts has not induced massive purchases because people are either putting it towards debt or holding on to it since cost of living still rises every month. Let's not mention that the middle class didn't get that much of a cut.

Many don't belive things are getting better. It's a perception problem the repubs and the shrub have to overcome. They can preech things are better but many do not belive them.

Federal education funding has increased massively under Bush. If you want to have talking points, at least get them right.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/05/elec04.prez.bush.no.child.ap/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A15836-2003Sep15?language=printer

I tried to find two very even handed articles about NCLB that showed both it's aspirations, and it's flaws. Have at them.

But this dodges my core question: Will OBL even be mentioned at the RNC?

But this dodges my core question: Will OBL even be mentioned at the RNC?

Yes, in the context of how much Bush is exactly doing to fight him and his vast network of terrorists, and how we won't be doing it through a softer war on terror.

Will OBL even be mentioned at the RNC?
On the dais? I dunno ... 4 days is a lot of time to speak without a mention. During prime time, maybe not.

By the pundits? Oh yeah. It'll be raised. Maybe, just maybe, Faux won't think of it, though.

Listen all i have to say is look what bush has done to this country! 9/11 could have been avoided! He just sat there and did nothing with the warnings. we had a $2 trillion surplus at the end of Clintons term and now we are $5 billion in debt!
He says 'no child left behind' and if he wanted to do that at least some of the $2 trillion should've gone to that! i mean if he wants to focus on schools he should learn grammar. And geeze not to rub it in but he can proudly say he was the first president to choke on a pretzel while watching a football game.

Of course UBL will be mentioned! You just listen and maybe you'll learn something.

Listen all i have to say is look what bush has done to this country! 9/11 could have been avoided! He just sat there and did nothing with the warnings. we had a $2 trillion surplus at the end of Clintons term and now we are $5 billion in debt!
He says 'no child left behind' and if he wanted to do that at least some of the $2 trillion should've gone to that! i mean if he wants to focus on schools he should learn grammar. And geeze not to rub it in but he can proudly say he was the first president to choke on a pretzel while watching a football game.
9/11 changed everything my friend. Campaign promises cannot be fulfilled and war costs trillions. So what would you have suggested be done after 9/11 nothing? Well, we were doing NOTHING before. During Clinton's term, Clinton did not accept the Sudan's offer to hand over UBL. In addition, Clinton did NOTHING after UBL and his organization carried out the first WTC attack, the US Embassy bombings in Africa, and the bombing of the USS Cole.

The second WTC was coming regardless...what did we do to provoke it? Some may argue our policy in the Middle East. But I ask you this, what was our policy prior to 9/11? Not that I love Israel...they get us into a lot of trouble. But that's the only thing that you can argue about policy prior to 9/11...maybe you'd like to argue about liberating Kuwait? Are you an anti-semite? A pro-terrorist? What about a pro-Saddamist?

No, I guarantee that you are an anti-Bush/anti-American envious Socialist! And if you claim to be pro-American anti-Bush; well please explain what you are pro-American about you hypocrites!

We'll hear "Saddam" ad nauseum. We'll hear about how Kerry is a flip-flopper without the moral fortitude to lead this country in it's (self-created) time of need. We'll hear about presumed tax increases by Kerry (that will be needed because of that little thing called A RECORD DEFICIT!) We'll see moderate Rebublicans paraded around like zoo animals. We'll hear about No Child Left Funded. We'll hear about "Family Values" at a time when more and more families have no valuables left.

But I guarantee the Right do not want to remind their short attention span listeners about OBL and Al Qaeda.
And regarding record deficits; there was a huge one during Reagan's term. The cold war cost trillions to end. I'm sure you were against ending that too weren't you comrade? Oh, and just FYI, that was BEFORE the SURPLUS you were referring to under Clinton's term. The Surplus you were referring to was also not thanks to Bill Cinton. If you remember (I know you don't), this was what the government "shut-downs" were all about way back then. The Republican Led Congress wanted a balanced budget but Clinton did not. So Clinton "closed" the government down on multiple occasions throwing a tantrum. Eventually, the balanced budget amendment passed...forced upon Bill Clinton by the Republicans. That is the story behind that wonderful surplus.

[QUOTE=The Black Forrest]Wow now I am a conservative. Let's put the 10 commandments in every class room. Let's outlaw homosexuality.



Well. that wouldn't be a bad ideah. I mean it might sound like the 10 comandments might be a little unconstitutional. but why not make them not 10 commandments but actual laws. I mean. those that don't believe in god say it is wrong. but if they don't believe in god then they don't believe it really exists. yet they are great things to follow. if it makes a better people. why not get to know them. and homosexuality is just plain wrong. and unconstitutional itself. you know the world is coming to an end when it is ok to have homosexuality. it just makes it so that we are a sick pervertive people. those that say they can't help it are sexually challenged. as in they wanna get it from wherever. because they are pervertive. so don't roll your eyes at what you said. that first stuff is great.

Read my lips: Sudan never offered Osama to Clinton. A discredited 3rd party tried to broker a deal, but he had no authority to make deals in the name of Sudan. Look it up, and stop repeating Hannity's lies.

The answer to my question is simple. The speakers at the RNC will never mention OBL. They will continue to weakly connect the Iraq war to the war on terrorism, completely ignoring their failure to capture the ones responsible for 9/11.

Read my lips: Sudan never offered Osama to Clinton. A discredited 3rd party tried to broker a deal, but he had no authority to make deals in the name of Sudan. Look it up, and stop repeating Hannity's lies.

The answer to my question is simple. The speakers at the RNC will never mention OBL. They will continue to weakly connect the Iraq war to the war on terrorism, completely ignoring their failure to capture the ones responsible for 9/11.
We shall see.

And ANYTHING that is not inline with your envious, week, socialistic ideals are lies in your mind. I hope you cry when Bush is re-elected and the USA is reaffirmed as the last remaining country that hasn't COMPLETELY given in to Socialism.

THAT is what this election is all about; Capitalism vs. Socialism! Class warfare...a hatred for the "rich" by the rampant envy.

Wow now I am a conservative. Let's put the 10 commandments in every class room. Let's outlaw homosexuality.



Well. that wouldn't be a bad ideah. I mean it might sound like the 10 comandments might be a little unconstitutional. but why not make them not 10 commandments but actual laws. I mean. those that don't believe in god say it is wrong. but if they don't believe in god then they don't believe it really exists. yet they are great things to follow. if it makes a better people. why not get to know them. and homosexuality is just plain wrong. and unconstitutional itself. you know the world is coming to an end when it is ok to have homosexuality. it just makes it so that we are a sick pervertive people. those that say they can't help it are sexually challenged. as in they wanna get it from wherever. because they are pervertive. so don't roll your eyes at what you said. that first stuff is great.

You are obviously incapable of higher brain functions, so I will not argue with you. So the only thing I can say is: Die.

Haha, I guess we know who won that one. Once again it is proved that liberals are incapable of rational thought, and are only controled by rash uninformed emotions.

We shall see.

And ANYTHING that is not inline with your envious, week, socialistic ideals are lies in your mind. I hope you cry when Bush is re-elected and the USA is reaffirmed as the last remaining country that hasn't COMPLETELY given in to Socialism.

THAT is what this election is all about; Capitalism vs. Socialism! Class warfare...a hatred for the "rich" by the rampant envy.

Umm, where exactly in my posts here did you gather that I was a socialist? Or are you just throwing out simplistic phrases in a pathetic attempt to elevate yourself abouve your obvious failings? Maybe I am a socialist, maybe I'm not. I doubt you even understand the term. Feel free to prove me wrong.

All this invective still cannot hide the fact that your precious "War President" has failed miserably to punish those responsible for 9/11, has exposed a mole that could have helped do so, has started a misbegotten war whose greatest effect thus far is to create a ready-made recruitment video for Al Qaeda and is deperate to turn the discussion to anything else besides Osama Bin Laden.

Let's pretend for a moment that Clinton did have a chance to get OBL. How does that, in any way, excuse Bush from his failure, especially after 9/11, to capture OBL and shut down or cripple Al Qaeda?

A War President with any balls and an honest sense of outrage at the terror of 9/11 would have levelled mountains to get Osama. Every single one of those men who have been to Iraq should have been combing the desert for Osama. Admit it. Bush does not give a shit about justice, the people of America or anything beyond the enrichment of him and his cronies. I call you an un-American sheep of the highest order if you continue to believe the orchestrated bleatings coming from the White House.

Haha, I guess we know who won that one. Once again it is proved that liberals are incapable of rational thought, and are only controled by rash uninformed emotions.

Ah the hypocrisy. Your intellectual dishonesty in stating that is clear, considering what I was responding to. Or are you supporting his homophobic statements and his inability to understand that there exists in this country people who are religious and not Christian?

Do you also suupport judges displaying excerpts from the Koran in court? How about the Book of the Dead? Would you feel good about a judge displaying Satanic documents in front of the court? If you allow the 10 Commandments, you HAVE to allow everything else, as Government is Constitutionally barred from supporting one religion over another.

Umm, where exactly in my posts here did you gather that I was a socialist? Or are you just throwing out simplistic phrases in a pathetic attempt to elevate yourself abouve your obvious failings? Maybe I am a socialist, maybe I'm not. I doubt you even understand the term. Feel free to prove me wrong.

All this invective still cannot hide the fact that your precious "War President" has failed miserably to punish those responsible for 9/11, has exposed a mole that could have helped do so, has started a misbegotten war whose greatest effect thus far is to create a ready-made recruitment video for Al Qaeda and is deperate to turn the discussion to anything else besides Osama Bin Laden.

Let's pretend for a moment that Clinton did have a chance to get OBL. How does that, in any way, excuse Bush from his failure, especially after 9/11, to capture OBL and shut down or cripple Al Qaeda?

A War President with any balls and an honest sense of outrage at the terror of 9/11 would have levelled mountains to get Osama. Every single one of those men who have been to Iraq should have been combing the desert for Osama. Admit it. Bush does not give a shit about justice, the people of America or anything beyond the enrichment of him and his cronies. I call you an un-American sheep of the highest order if you continue to believe the orchestrated bleatings coming from the White House.
I refuse to waste any more time on this thread.

However I agree with you in this: I would have been all for leveling mountains. However, people like yourself would outcried the use of Nuclear Weapons, (that would have most likely have been necessary), the killing of innocents, and the destruction of the environment.

And since you've decided to start with "what-ifs;" what will you say IF Usama Bin Laden is caught by the Bush "regime" before the election? Oh I know! "Why didn't we catch him sooner!" There is no winning with you; you're just like a woman. And you're obsessed with destroying Bush. I guarantee that you are an envious Socialist whether you realize it or not. A lot of them don't. Look up Socialism in the ENCYCLOPEDIA rather than the dictionary.

We'll hear "Saddam" ad nauseum. We'll hear about how Kerry is a flip-flopper without the moral fortitude to lead this country in it's (self-created) time of need. We'll hear about presumed tax increases by Kerry (that will be needed because of that little thing called A RECORD DEFICIT!) We'll see moderate Rebublicans paraded around like zoo animals. We'll hear about No Child Left Funded. We'll hear about "Family Values" at a time when more and more families have no valuables left.

But I guarantee the Right do not want to remind their short attention span listeners about OBL and Al Qaeda.
TAG!

Ive got you on this one, and if they do talk about OBL or Qaeda, ill make a thread to prove I was right.

Of course bin Laden won't be mentioned. He's been virtually forgotten. We will, however, hear plenty of the following drivel (or so I'm predicting):

1.More garbage about how our economy is allegedly "strong and getting stronger" (even though he's accumulated deficits unheard of in U.S. history and severely mutilated our economy)
2.Bush's strong (more like dictatorial) leadership
3.Bush's expertise at fighting terrorists (when he virtually ignores bin Laden, and has cuddly relationships with many terrorist and pro-terrorist nations)
4.His 'conservatism' (even though he's such a big spender that he makes FDR, LBJ, and Clinton look like Ebenezer Scrooge; even though he's virulently anti-states' rights [Gay Marriage Amendment, No Child Left Behind]; anti-capitalist [not necessarily socialist, but protectionist; his policies are a paraphrase of "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need;" under Bush, it's "From each {poor person} according to his ability, to each {billionaire} according to his greed;" has drastically increased education funding, has not even tried to get rid of the income tax, Federal Reserve, etc.; even though he's adamantly pro-big government [that one is self-explanatory])
5.His 'patriotism' (which is phony; he is, like most 20th century Presidents, a staunch internationalist: he got us back in UNESCO; repeatedly praises the UN; has loaded his administration with hundreds of CFR and TC members, Bilderbergers, etc.; pursues a rabidly interventionist foreign policy; etc.)

In other words, more lies, more garbage, more crap.

I refuse to waste any more time on this thread.

However I agree with you in this: I would have been all for leveling mountains. However, people like yourself would outcried the use of Nuclear Weapons, (that would have most likely have been necessary), the killing of innocents, and the destruction of the environment.

And since you've decided to start with "what-ifs;" what will you say IF Usama Bin Laden is caught by the Bush "regime" before the election? Oh I know! "Why didn't we catch him sooner!" There is no winning with you; you're just like a woman. And you're obsessed with destroying Bush. I guarantee that you are an envious Socialist whether you realize it or not. A lot of them don't. Look up Socialism in the ENCYCLOPEDIA rather than the dictionary.

Okay, there's a little over 2 months until the election. Even you would have to admit that the timing of catching Osama between now and then would be highly suspicious, and worth at least a probe of inquiry.

I studied Socialism in high school, and again in college. I can't really see any statements I've made that reference socialism.

Using Nukes to catch Osama? How would we even know we got him? Wouldn't that confirm the fears of the world at large? We'd become an isolated nation, with no country (except the most corrupt) wishing to do business with us. Our economy would plummet.

Now, I know War is hell. Civilians get hurt, which is why war must always be conducted under only the most extreme of circumstances, and only as a last resort. Yes, I may regret the loss of innocent life, but I would see it as a justifiable consequence of going after the real mastermind behind 9/11. Bush failed us by opening a second front elsewhere. History is full of examples like that, an over-reaching power foolishly opening up a second front bringing about the eventual downfall of the agressor nation. Napoleon anyone? Hitler? No, I'm not saying Bush is Hitler, I'm just pointing out the folly of Bush's tactics.

I don't want to destroy Bush, I simply want him out of office, much like I'd want anyone out of office who betrays the trust of the American people. The American people he is sworn to serve.

Who Wants to Bet That Bin Laden's Name Will Not Once Be Uttered at the RNC?


Was he mentioned at the Democratic Convention??

Of course bin Laden won't be mentioned. He's been virtually forgotten. We will, however, hear plenty of the following drivel (or so I'm predicting):

1.More garbage about how our economy is allegedly "strong and getting stronger" (even though he's accumulated deficits unheard of in U.S. history and severely mutilated our economy)
2.Bush's strong (more like dictatorial) leadership
3.Bush's expertise at fighting terrorists (when he virtually ignores bin Laden, and has cuddly relationships with many terrorist and pro-terrorist nations)
4.His 'conservatism' (even though he's such a big spender that he makes FDR, LBJ, and Clinton look like Ebenezer Scrooge; even though he's virulently anti-states' rights [Gay Marriage Amendment, No Child Left Behind]; anti-capitalist [not necessarily socialist, but protectionist; his policies are a paraphrase of "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need;" under Bush, it's "From each {poor person} according to his ability, to each {billionaire} according to his greed;" has drastically increased education funding, has not even tried to get rid of the income tax, Federal Reserve, etc.; even though he's adamantly pro-big government [that one is self-explanatory])
5.His 'patriotism' (which is phony; he is, like most 20th century Presidents, a staunch internationalist: he got us back in UNESCO; repeatedly praises the UN; has loaded his administration with hundreds of CFR and TC members, Bilderbergers, etc.; pursues a rabidly interventionist foreign policy; etc.)

In other words, more lies, more garbage, more crap.
Sounds like Socialist Kerry's talking points. If Bush is re-elected...and it's starting to look up again; you can mark my words that he will be reveared as one of America's greatest presidents as Reagan was. Booo hooo comrade.

Oops, I said I was through with this thread...bye bye.

[QUOTE=The Black Forrest]Wow now I am a conservative. Let's put the 10 commandments in every class room. Let's outlaw homosexuality.



Well. that wouldn't be a bad ideah. I mean it might sound like the 10 comandments might be a little unconstitutional. but why not make them not 10 commandments but actual laws. I mean. those that don't believe in god say it is wrong. but if they don't believe in god then they don't believe it really exists. yet they are great things to follow. if it makes a better people. why not get to know them. and homosexuality is just plain wrong. and unconstitutional itself. you know the world is coming to an end when it is ok to have homosexuality. it just makes it so that we are a sick pervertive people. those that say they can't help it are sexually challenged. as in they wanna get it from wherever. because they are pervertive. so don't roll your eyes at what you said. that first stuff is great.

Ha ha, you cant be serious... we are a "pervertive" people? priceless.

TAG!

Ive got you on this one, and if they do talk about OBL or Qaeda, ill make a thread to prove I was right.

I specified Osama. And your tag is nullified if they mention Iraq and Al Qaeda in the same breath.

[QUOTE=The Black Forrest]Wow now I am a conservative. Let's put the 10 commandments in every class room. Let's outlaw homosexuality.



Well. that wouldn't be a bad ideah. I mean it might sound like the 10 comandments might be a little unconstitutional. but why not make them not 10 commandments but actual laws. I mean. those that don't believe in god say it is wrong. but if they don't believe in god then they don't believe it really exists. yet they are great things to follow. if it makes a better people. why not get to know them. and homosexuality is just plain wrong. and unconstitutional itself. you know the world is coming to an end when it is ok to have homosexuality. it just makes it so that we are a sick pervertive people. those that say they can't help it are sexually challenged. as in they wanna get it from wherever. because they are pervertive. so don't roll your eyes at what you said. that first stuff is great.

Because a theocracy is the worst form of goverment.

The worst acts of inhumanity have been done in the name of God(s).

But let's not hijack the thread.

RNC in a nutshelll


We are the republicans, we set up us the bomb. We make terrorists go boom, democrats are evil, give us money, join the darkside *cough* we cathum saddam, we good, democrats evil, join the dark side.

Was he mentioned at the Democratic Convention??
Hmmm. I just searched some of the transcripts posted on the DNC website (http://www.dems2004.org/transcripts) and didn't see {'Laden' or 'Osama'} under any of the major prime-time speakers. I also checked folks like Max Cleland and Wes Clark. A search on the main site returned '0 results found'.

Guess not.

Ah the hypocrisy. Your intellectual dishonesty in stating that is clear, considering what I was responding to. Or are you supporting his homophobic statements and his inability to understand that there exists in this country people who are religious and not Christian?

Do you also suupport judges displaying excerpts from the Koran in court? How about the Book of the Dead? Would you feel good about a judge displaying Satanic documents in front of the court? If you allow the 10 Commandments, you HAVE to allow everything else, as Government is Constitutionally barred from supporting one religion over another.

I was responding to your communist/ socialist/ wiccan truckload of crap. First of all since all of those documents/ books are religious documents they have no binding precedent on any case in a court of law. But, our system of Jurisprudence (it means law for you) is based on Judeo Christian principles. Where do you think do not kill, do not steal, etc. etc. came from? It was not originally created by the founding fathers. So the "principle" of the ten comandments are in every courtroom. And when in court they are "guidelines" for criminal justice. The government is not to "establish" a religion, according to the establishment clause of the US Constitution. Nowhere is the display of "religious" items forbidden, especially principles that our laws were meant to emulate. Yes there are other religions in America, but our system of law was not based on them. I was talking about your "die" comment. You obviously lost, and could come up with nothing else.

I was responding to your communist/ socialist/ wiccan truckload of crap. First of all since all of those documents/ books are religious documents they have no binding precedent on any case in a court of law. But, our system of Jurisprudence (it means law for you) is based on Judeo Christian principles. Where do you think do not kill, do not steal, etc. etc. came from? It was not originally created by the founding fathers. So the "principle" of the ten comandments are in every courtroom. And when in court they are "guidelines" for criminal justice. The government is not to "establish" a religion, according to the establishment clause of the US Constitution. Nowhere is the display of "religious" items forbidden, especially principles that our laws were meant to emulate. Yes there are other religions in America, but our system of law was not based on them. I was talking about your "die" comment. You obviously lost, and could come up with nothing else.
that is the most inane load of crap i've ever heard

yeah, there is no killing and no stealign, those are basics required for the basics of a civilized society. and since you ASSERT those are wholly christian values, prove it. prove there are ZERO other religions stating that people should not kill or steal

... our system of Jurisprudence (it means law for you) is based on Judeo Christian principles. Where do you think do not kill, do not steal, etc. etc. came from? It was not originally created by the founding fathers. So the "principle" of the ten comandments are in every courtroom.
Again, not exactly. The first 5 Commandments are not coded into US law. Oh, you could make a case for 'honor your mother and father', but the whole thing woulod have to be thrown out. Only six though ten are actually part of US jurisprudence, and they do not come solely from Judeo-Christian ethics. They're pretty much a part of any system of ethics everwhere. If you want to attribute that to Jewish persistance in keeping the Torah alive, I'd accept that as a partial answer, but it surely doesn't come from Christianity.

I was responding to your communist/ socialist/ wiccan truckload of crap. First of all since all of those documents/ books are religious documents they have no binding precedent on any case in a court of law. But, our system of Jurisprudence (it means law for you) is based on Judeo Christian principles. Where do you think do not kill, do not steal, etc. etc. came from? It was not originally created by the founding fathers. So the "principle" of the ten comandments are in every courtroom. And when in court they are "guidelines" for criminal justice. The government is not to "establish" a religion, according to the establishment clause of the US Constitution. Nowhere is the display of "religious" items forbidden, especially principles that our laws were meant to emulate. Yes there are other religions in America, but our system of law was not based on them. I was talking about your "die" comment. You obviously lost, and could come up with nothing else.

Oh, so I'm legally bound to honor my mother and father, to keep the sabbath, to not make false idols and to not commit adultery?

Also, you cannot claim that the other commandments are unique to Judeo-Christian beliefs, can you?

And regarding record deficits; there was a huge one during Reagan's term. The cold war cost trillions to end. I'm sure you were against ending that too weren't you comrade? Oh, and just FYI, that was BEFORE the SURPLUS you were referring to under Clinton's term. The Surplus you were referring to was also not thanks to Bill Cinton. If you remember (I know you don't), this was what the government "shut-downs" were all about way back then. The Republican Led Congress wanted a balanced budget but Clinton did not. So Clinton "closed" the government down on multiple occasions throwing a tantrum. Eventually, the balanced budget amendment passed...forced upon Bill Clinton by the Republicans. That is the story behind that wonderful surplus.

we had a surplus so Bush had the great idea to refund every american 350 bucks......so he didn't have us save for a rainy day and guess what that rainy day happened and we have nothing. It's not republicans that are the problem, it is Goerge Bush. Plus, I work in education and to all of you that think education money was increased, you are wrong. That is why there have been massive budget cuts in 48 of our states school systems. Guess what, even diehard republican teachers hate bush.

Haha, I guess we know who won that one. Once again it is proved that liberals are incapable of rational thought, and are only controled by rash uninformed emotions.


The man before this gentleman never gave one single rational reason for why homosexuality is bad.

we had a surplus so Bush had the great idea to refund every american 350 bucks......so he didn't have us save for a rainy day and guess what that rainy day happened and we have nothing. It's not republicans that are the problem, it is Goerge Bush. Plus, I work in education and to all of you that think education money was increased, you are wrong. That is why there have been massive budget cuts in 48 of our states school systems. Guess what, even diehard republican teachers hate bush.
Good, then he won't be re-elected; why do you care now? Once he loses and is a one-timer you can crucify him for his deeds for sure. You'll get your revenge.

Of course, I doubt you'll be so lucky.

No child left behind had a bunch of it's money cut.
Shouldn't some children actually be left behind?

Is that a serious question?

Also i'd like to hear an explanation as to why homosexuality is 'just plain wrong', seeing as he didn't even provide an argument.

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I don't think they'll mention him at the RNC, and if they do, I think they would "capture" Osama at the end of october. Of course, an indepented contracter working under Kerry could also claim the bounty in the name of the democratic party, and then Kerry would win in a superdupermegalandslide.

So what does everyone think of that?

Just a note: I swear, if any goddamn fundies or athiests, +/- gay marrigers, or ANYONE along those lines comes in here and hijacks the thread again, I will reach through the moniter and kill you, no shit. So keep the thread on FUCKING TRACK! If you're going to bash bush, do it on topic

The following people are hereby bitchslapped for being off-topic:
Kissingly
Texas I ( I have a suspicion )
Phat 101 ( that these are all )
El Aguila ( puppets )
Oomlay
Gymoor
Frisbeeteria

Thank you, if I missed anyone, TM me, also, if you wanna flame me, feel free, just don't do it on the forum, or at least start another thread to flame me, I'm fine with that, just don't mess up other people's threads

I don't think they'll mention him at the RNC, and if they do, I think they would "capture" Osama at the end of october. Of course, an indepented contracter working under Kerry could also claim the bounty in the name of the democratic party, and then Kerry would win in a superdupermegalandslide.

Was he mentioned at the Democratic Convention??

Hmmm. I just searched some of the transcripts posted on the DNC website (http://www.dems2004.org/transcripts) and didn't see {'Laden' or 'Osama'} under any of the major prime-time speakers. I also checked folks like Max Cleland and Wes Clark. A search on the main site returned '0 results found'.

Guess not.


Then why would it be unusual for Osama's name not to be mentioned at the Republican Convention????? I guess this question should be directed to the author of this thread.... :eek:

It's a tragdey that after starting two wars over him, the Democrats never mentioned Osama. Oh, wait a second! The Democrats NEVER STARTED A FUCKING WAR OVER HIM!

I read that Bush has mentioned Bin Laden's name in public exactly 12 times in the past year.

We'll hear "Saddam" ad nauseum. We'll hear about how Kerry is a flip-flopper without the moral fortitude to lead this country in it's (self-created) time of need. We'll hear about presumed tax increases by Kerry (that will be needed because of that little thing called A RECORD DEFICIT!) We'll see moderate Rebublicans paraded around like zoo animals. We'll hear about No Child Left Funded. We'll hear about "Family Values" at a time when more and more families have no valuables left.

But I guarantee the Right do not want to remind their short attention span listeners about OBL and Al Qaeda.
BIN who?

Perhaps the curtains will open and there will be ol' Bin in a cage and chained, ala King Kong?

It's a tragdey that after starting two wars over him, the Democrats never mentioned Osama. Oh, wait a second! The Democrats NEVER STARTED A FUCKING WAR OVER HIM!

I read that Bush has mentioned Bin Laden's name in public exactly 12 times in the past year.


Try again...

I believe those were terrorists, that were in control of those jets, that flew into the two towers.

Shouldn't some children actually be left behind?

-sniff sniff-

libertarian alert. ;)

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I don't think they'll mention him at the RNC, and if they do, I think they would "capture" Osama at the end of october. Of course, an indepented contracter working under Kerry could also claim the bounty in the name of the democratic party, and then Kerry would win in a superdupermegalandslide.

So what does everyone think of that?

Just a note: I swear, if any goddamn fundies or athiests, +/- gay marrigers, or ANYONE along those lines comes in here and hijacks the thread again, I will reach through the moniter and kill you, no shit. So keep the thread on FUCKING TRACK! If you're going to bash bush, do it on topic

The following people are hereby bitchslapped for being off-topic:
Kissingly
Texas I ( I have a suspicion )
Phat 101 ( that these are all )
El Aguila ( puppets )
Oomlay
Gymoor
Frisbeeteria

Thank you, if I missed anyone, TM me, also, if you wanna flame me, feel free, just don't do it on the forum, or at least start another thread to flame me, I'm fine with that, just don't mess up other people's threads

I don't think they'll mention him at the RNC, and if they do, I think they would "capture" Osama at the end of october. Of course, an indepented contracter working under Kerry could also claim the bounty in the name of the democratic party, and then Kerry would win in a superdupermegalandslide.

How can you bitchslap me for hijacking my own thread? Also, I refer you to the times I reminded others as to the original intent of the thread (as I simultaneously digressed, admittedly.)

Prescribes Pyta a chill pill and a Dubyah-themed punching bag (lord knows such a thing would relieve MY stress!)

Once again, if the Republicans mention Osama, unless it's in the form of retardedly connecting him to Iraq yet again, I will immediately begin purchasing ice skates for my eventual, and chilly, sojourn in Hell.

bump. I like attention.

Once again, if the Republicans mention Osama, unless it's in the form of retardedly connecting him to Iraq yet again,


LMAO
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraq-20040722.htm

Next we'll hear how the US, "OK'ed" the invasion of Kuwait......LOL
Transcripts from an Iraqi government official.............

LMAO
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraq-20040722.htm

Next we'll hear how the US, "OK'ed" the invasion of Kuwait......LOL
Transcripts from an Iraqi government official.............

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! This is the umpteenth time I've seen this bogus piece of claptrap trotted out. Did you read the 9/11 report itself? Also notice that this very partisan pice of literature stiil doesn't make a case for Saddam handing over any weapons, nor does it point to the obvious fact that Iraq was the Middle East country kleast influenced by Islamic terrorism. One could make a stronger case for the US funing terrorism than this bit of inaccurate fluff.

Not to mention it once again ducks the main question of my post. Did anyone mention Osama at the RNC today? I honestly don't know, since I turned it of after seeing Guilliani promising not to attack Kerry on one channel, and then saw Guilliani say the lie that the $87 billion dollar bill that Kerry voted for and then voted against were identical. That's a direct and easily demonstratable lie.

If they do mention Osama, they will just say you need to keep us in government so we can find terrorists like him and bring them to justice. Otherwise I doubt they will mention it.

What a yawn!!!

It's a tragdey that after starting two wars over him, the Democrats never mentioned Osama. Oh, wait a second! The Democrats NEVER STARTED A FUCKING WAR OVER HIM!

I read that Bush has mentioned Bin Laden's name in public exactly 12 times in the past year.
and i have heard he mentioned his name 10 times in the past 2 and a half years, of his own voalition anyway.

and im just as much right as you since you provide not a dozen quotes from this yeard

But I guarantee the Right do not want to remind their short attention span listeners about OBL and Al Qaeda.

WHO??

Now that's just rude of the Republicans. The Bin Laden banking empire helped Bush into office and he can't say their names in thanks in public. Just because one member of Bin Ladens went AWOL ...

:p

Now that's just rude of the Republicans. The Bin Laden banking empire helped Bush into office and he can't say their names in thanks in public. Just because one member of Bin Ladens went AWOL ...

:p


Excellent point. So, on top of all their other deficiencies, we can attribute bad manners to Bush and Mr Dick "Go =@&* Yourself" Cheney.

Try again...

I believe those were terrorists, that were in control of those jets, that flew into the two towers.
Actually these were mainly Suadis that flew the planes into the Twin towers and Pentagon, a few non Suadis though.

Still no Republican soundbite featuring Osama?

Hahahahahahaha!

http://www.nynewsday.com/news/politics/rnc/ny-nybres013950151sep01,0,5989176.column

i havent heard any mention of him, but i did count giuliani saying "September 11th" at least 6 times in his 35 minute speech. exploit national tragedy much?

i havent heard any mention of him, but i did count giuliani saying "September 11th" at least 6 times in his 35 minute speech. exploit national tragedy much?
He was, you know, the mayor of New York at the time.

i understand that. and i think he did a great job over the course of the following weeks and months. i really do - if i were to ever vote for a republican, it would probably be him or john mccain.

i just see using nyc and sept. 11th as a backdrop for the convention as another way to scare the american public into voting for george bush again. but that's a completely different issue and pyta might have a conniption now because we're off topic.

Exploiting national tragedy while carefully avoiding the fact that we haven't caught the person most responsible for it (after almost 3 years.)

I was thinking Osama would be part of an inevitable October surprise, but since they're being so careful not to mention him, then they must be planning something else. Probably a 1-2 month lowering of gas prices. That should be fairly simple to pull off, especially if they jack the prices up even higher after the elction.

All done.

I never heard the name from the podium. Never heard it at the Dem convention either. Anybody hear different?

If you were holding your breath wating for the Republicans to mention Osama, you are now dead, and have been for a few days.

Okay, first off: to any MORON who insists that one ought to respect all Judeao-Christian thought as the source of our government. Yes, the people who wrote our Constitution were Christian, and these ideas probably bisaed the document in some way. But the separation of Church and State is WRITTEN DIRECTLY INTO THE DOCUMENT people! I mean jeez! How much more clear can you be. So saying that homosexuals is perverted because your faith says so is blatantly unConstitutional. So what does your LOSER PRESIDENT (and unfortunately mine) do about this?? He tries to get around the very values of the Constitution by writing in unConsitutional ammendments like the the Protection of Marriage Act, designed SPECIFICALLY to ground legislation in Christian ideals. Just like he in all of his wisdom got around the UN, which even his FATHER took very seriously for years and years. Honor thy Father and Mother INDEED. So, on top of everything else, we've learned that Bush is a bad Chistian...touche. Anyway, Bush was the one who decided catching Bin Laden was the benchmark for a sucessful foreign policy, so the burden was on Bush to defend our not going more aggressively after Bin Laden. Did he??? No. WHAT A SHOCKER!!! :)