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In many arguments about sexuality, people have said "well why not marry animals?". The most frequent argument against this is that animals cannot give consent...

My question is this: can great apes (gorillas, orangutans, chimps) that have been taught sign language, and dolphins who can operate an underwater keyboard, be considered able to give consent?

In many arguments about sexuality, people have said "well why not marry animals?". The most frequent argument against this is that animals cannot give consent...

My question is this: can great apes (gorillas, orangutans, chimps) that have been taught sign language, and dolphins who can operate an underwater keyboard, be considered able to give consent?

That's absolutely disgusting and the obvious answer is no, they wouldn't be able to process what is being asked of them.

In many arguments about sexuality, people have said "well why not marry animals?". The most frequent argument against this is that animals cannot give consent...

My question is this: can great apes (gorillas, orangutans, chimps) that have been taught sign language, and dolphins who can operate an underwater keyboard, be considered able to give consent?
Dolphins, aside from humans, are the only other animal known to have sex for fun. So, if they don't seem to want to get it on with you that probably means they are racists.

Dolphins, aside from humans, are the only other animal known to have sex for fun. So, if they don't seem to want to get it on with you that probably means they are racists.

or that they are SANE.

The reason why conservatives would be against beastality is beacuse its "depraved". They don't give a sh*t about animals, and it drives me up the wall. If I felt it was cruel to rape animals (and I doubt it) then I would be against it, but I don't give a damn about the Fashist's "morality".

or that they are SANE.
What? I'm not all that bad looking.
Come flipper, come here. I got a treat for you. A nice big, juicy fishy!!! Oops, it fell out of my hands. Why don't you pick that up flipps?

BTW, so far the only way we have learned to make animals "communicate" with us is by training them into a connection between words and actions-- essentially, we'd have to force sex on them multiple times before we got a real answer.

What? I'm not all that bad looking.
Come flipper, come here. I got a treat for you. A nice big, juicy fishy!!! Oops, it fell out of my hands. Why don't you pick that up flipps?

lmao

BTW, so far the only way we have learned to make animals "communicate" with us is by training them into a connection between words and actions-- essentially, we'd have to force sex on them multiple times before we got a real answer.
lmfao

The reason why conservatives would be against beastality is beacuse its "depraved". They don't give a sh*t about animals, and it drives me up the wall. If I felt it was cruel to rape animals (and I doubt it) then I would be against it, but I don't give a damn about the Fashist's "morality".

Or you're a total moron who has no clue what he is talking about....

First off, it's fascist, not Fashist, normally I'm not too picky about spelling, but when you blatantly misspell an entire political ideology....

Have you ever considered it is BOTH depraved and immoral as well as because it is cruel to the animals?

People like you need to get your arguments straight before you talk.

Or you're a total moron who has no clue what he is talking about....

First off, it's fascist, not Fashist, normally I'm not too picky about spelling, but when you blatantly misspell an entire political ideology....

Have you ever considered it is BOTH depraved and immoral as well as because it is cruel to the animals?

People like you need to get your arguments straight before you talk.

I especially like how he says he doubts his own thoughts. lol
I'm having a field day with this thread. What kind of sick discussion is this?

Or you're a total moron who has no clue what he is talking about....

First off, it's fascist, not Fashist, normally I'm not too picky about spelling, but when you blatantly misspell an entire political ideology....

Have you ever considered it is BOTH depraved and immoral as well as because it is cruel to the animals?

People like you need to get your arguments straight before you talk.

Can you give me a reason why being "depraved" is wrong?

And I'm left-brained. Its not like I choose to be a mediocre speller. I try, but I'm not the editor of The London Times.

PS political ideologies are always capitalized.

I especially like how he says he doubts his own thoughts. lol
I'm having a field day with this thread. What kind of sick discussion is this?

Now hold on, I'm uncertian as to whether animals find it unplesant. That's not a firm doctrine of mine nor is it a centerpeice of my worldview.

Tarzan: Cheetah. Me Tarzan in shower, dropped soap. Can you pick it up for Tarzan?
Cheetah: OohOohAahAah..*gulp*...OOOOHHOOOHAAAHHAAAH!!!!
Tarzan: AAAhahahahahaAhhhh!!!

Now hold on, I'm uncertian as to whether animals find it unplesant. That's not a firm doctrine of mine nor is it a centerpeice of my worldview.

Or course it would be unpleasant. Would you like to get humped by a polar bear? I seriously doubt it.

I especially like how he says he doubts his own thoughts. lol
I'm having a field day with this thread. What kind of sick discussion is this?

I'm just curious, since the argument that invariably crops up in discussion about homosexual marriage is "well then, why can't I marry my cat?", to which the reply usually is "cats cannot give consent".

It's two issues really:

1. Are there animals that people consider truly intelligent
2. Is bestiality moral

I'm not advocating either viewpoint, I'm just interested in the philosophical side of the issues...

Anyway, I think this thread is no more or less disgusting/valid than half the threads I've seen here recently ("Does God have a penis" springs to mind)...

OWWW me iq drop from lookin at de words. This is beyond stupid.

Or course it would be unpleasant. Would you like to get humped by a polar bear? I seriously doubt it.

That doesn't mean the polar bear doesn't like it. We don't know if they have the capacity to realize it.

I've heard unconfirmed rumours of dolphins having a go at lucky divers..

That doesn't mean the polar bear doesn't like it. We don't know if they have the capacity to realize it.

If you were to penetrate an animal of course it would be unpleasent because 1) they aren't used to human sexual organs 2) when animals have sex it's for short bursts of time just enough to become fertilized (except for dolphins)

If you were to penetrate an animal of course it would be unpleasent because 1) they aren't used to human sexual organs 2) when animals have sex it's for short bursts of time just enough to become fertilized (except for dolphins)

Oh, so its okay to kill a cow but its terrible to have sex with it?

If we're not going to become vegetarians (and as of yet I'm not), don't we have to believe that animals aren't sentient?

Oh, so its okay to kill a cow but its terrible to have sex with it?

YES. Because you would use a cow for sexual gratification which has no benefit than the obvious hedonistic one over using it for sustinance in order to survive?? I'm sure the cow would gladly die instead of being raped.

YES. Because you would use a cow for sexual gratification which has no benefit than the obvious hedonistic one over using it for sustinance in order to survive?? I'm sure the cow would gladly die instead of being raped.

Oh, so to fufill one's desire to fatten themselves with food they don't need (one can always eat chicken or fish) is better than to gratify oneself?

To the cow, being raped is probably not worse than death. Can a cow even remember it for more than a few days?

Until you make a clear reason why I need to follow some arcane morality the argument is wasted on me.

YES. Because you would use a cow for sexual gratification which has no benefit than the obvious hedonistic one over using it for sustinance in order to survive?? I'm sure the cow would gladly die instead of being raped.
What if we kill it first and then have some nice, intimate fornication with it?

Oh, so to fufill one's desire to fatten themselves with food they don't need (one can always eat chicken or fish) is better than to gratify oneself?

To the cow, being raped is probably not worse than death. Can a cow even remember it for more than a few days?

Until you make a clear reason why I need to follow some arcane morality the argument is wasted on me.


HELLO??? Are you insane? Food which is vital to survival is more important than to friggin get off. I didn't say if we didn't need it, obviously to eat the cow after you just had a large meal would be a waste and no different than wasting time raping it.

So you honestly believe that it's ok to rape something as long as it doesn't remember? I'm sure you are one of those people that slip roofies into people's drinks at parties.

Dolphins are hawt!

Sure it's fine: the only real barrier is discovering how said animals communicate so we can actually ask them. I'd give it about 10 more years...

HELLO??? Are you insane? Food which is vital to survival is more important than to friggin get off. I didn't say if we didn't need it, obviously to eat the cow after you just had a large meal would be a waste and no different than wasting time raping it.

So you honestly believe that it's ok to rape something as long as it doesn't remember? I'm sure you are one of those people that slip roofies into people's drinks at parties.

I'm not saying that raping cows is okay--just that its ethically superior to killing it and eating it!

Besides, I thought we already established that animals are not humans.

Dolphins are hawt!

Sure it's fine: the only real barrier is discovering how said animals communicate so we can actually ask them. I'd give it about 10 more years...

perv

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I'm not saying that raping cows is okay--just that its ethically superior to killing it and eating it!

Besides, I thought we already established that animals are not humans.

I don't understand where you get your ethics from because to eat something is the what nature intended, to take advantage of another creature to commit a lewd act that doesn't achieve anything other then a disgusting climax is immoral. And since apparently i can't change your warped perception of this, I just won't bother.

Oh, so to fufill one's desire to fatten themselves with food they don't need (one can always eat chicken or fish) is better than to gratify oneself?

If you're going assert that we shouldn't eat cows because we COULD eat chicken or fish, why not assert that we shouldn't fuck cows because we COULD fuck men or women?

To the cow, being raped is probably not worse than death. Can a cow even remember it for more than a few days?

Cows, maybe not. But elephants would be a different story - and I'm sure some big butt enthusiasts would prefer elephants.

The cow would probably kick you as you tried to mount it anyway.

I'm not saying that raping cows is okay--just that its ethically superior to killing it and eating it!

Besides, I thought we already established that animals are not humans.

But Humans are animals, just smarter and with the capability of sex for pleasure. So are dolphins. They're actually quite intelligent, maybe equal to humans. We just can't communicate with them.

Oh, and just to everyone who says beastiality is morally wrong:

What if tommorow a hot female (/male) alien with only slight differences from humans showed up at your door and asked to have sex with you. Would you do it? (Note: If you have beliefs that limit your sexual contact, assume that everything is ok, i.e. your married, etc.)









(Answer, then read below.)









You'd be surprised how many people who denounce beastiality actually say yes to that. They may be simmilar to humans, but they are a different species, which is also the case with animals. Hell, this is even worse since it'll be from another planet!

But Humans are animals, just smarter and with the capability of sex for pleasure. So are dolphins. They're actually quite intelligent, maybe equal to humans. We just can't communicate with them.

Oh, and just to everyone who says beastiality is morally wrong:

What if tommorow a hot female (/male) alien with only slight differences from humans (like living underwater, or different appendages) showed up at your door and asked to have sex with you. Would you do it?





(Answer, then read below.)





You'd be surprised how many people who denounce beastiality actually say yes to that.

OK you know what, find me that alien and I will renounce everything I have previously said. Naturally there shouldn't be "hot aliens" because that would decimate human birthrates and be devolutionary. Species stay with species, that's the whole point of sex. The idea of the "hot alien" is just some loser nerd's fantasy.

I'm certainly not going to consider this discussion resolved until we've heard from at least one Welsh shepherd.

I don't understand where you get your ethics from because to eat something is the what nature intended, to take advantage of another creature to commit a lewd act that doesn't achieve anything other then a disgusting climax is immoral. And since apparently i can't change your warped perception of this, I just won't bother.

Question: Are dogs being immoral when they hump your leg?

Question: Are dogs being immoral when they hump your leg?

Yes. Bad Sparky.

Question: Are dogs being immoral when they hump your leg?

If you were looking for an answer in general, from anyone, let me know and I'll edit this post. If you're specifically asking him, I'll leave it like this.

OK you know what, find me that alien and I will renounce everything I have previously said. Naturally there shouldn't be "hot aliens" because that would decimate human birthrates and be devolutionary. Species stay with species, that's the whole point of sex. The idea of the "hot alien" is just some loser nerd's fantasy.

It's a figurative question to raise a point. Assume aliens of this kind exist, assume they're here, and assume they're just like humans, only being aliens.

The whole point is to see whether people actually believe sex should stay within a species or it's just years of conditioning that they think sex with animals is wrong.

Oh, and I'm not a looser nerd. I have a girlfriend. (And no, she ISN'T AN ANIMAL before someone tries to say that.)

If you were looking for an answer in general, from anyone, let me know and I'll edit this post. If you're specifically asking him, I'll leave it like this.

No, general discussion is good...

No, general discussion is good...

In that case, no, the dog is not being immoral. Morality is a concept of sentient creatures - or at least of humanity - and therefore most animals cannot act either morally or immorally.

What if tommorow a hot female (/male) alien with only slight differences from humans showed up at your door and asked to have sex with you. Would you do it? (Note: If you have beliefs that limit your sexual contact, assume that everything is ok, i.e. your married, etc.)

If it was an illegal alien, yes (jk, jk)

Anyway, It has now become clear to me that my opponets are blindly following some sort of moral athority (the Bible, probably) and that defeats any reasonable, rational argument. Besides, Its late and I'm tired.

But Humans are animals, just smarter and with the capability of sex for pleasure. So are dolphins. They're actually quite intelligent, maybe equal to humans. We just can't communicate with them.
I have yet to see a real indication of Dolphin intellect (I could say the same about certain posters in NS, but thats as far as I go in that direction).
If Dolphins really were do fugging brilliant, wouldn't they have developed something that people could see?
If some one from another planet were to come here, even with no other exposure to Earth, they could grasp that humans have something over the other animals.

Oh, and just to everyone who says beastiality is morally wrong:
Morals interfere with my plans for world domination.

What if tommorow a hot female (/male) alien with only slight differences from humans showed up at your door and asked to have sex with you. Would you do it?
I'd say that it is still signifigantly more human than a cow. While we're on the subject of cows, what, exactly, is my sister up to? She seems to be giving my e-mail address to gay porn sites.
Further, why, exactly, has the cow become the commonly excepted measure of bestiality?
Is there a whole underground cow fetish movement that I was never let in on?

You'd be surprised how many people who denounce beastiality actually say yes to that. They may be simmilar to humans, but they are a different species, which is also the case with animals. Hell, this is even worse since it'll be from another planet!
I find it even worse that you said "You'd be surprised how many people who denounce beastiality actually say yes to that." Meaning that you have debated this issue (Alien/Animal/Vegetable Sex) many times before.

It's a figurative question to raise a point. Assume aliens of this kind exist, assume they're here, and assume they're just like humans, only being aliens.

The whole point is to see whether people actually believe sex should stay within a species or it's just years of conditioning that they think sex with animals is wrong.

Oh, and I'm not a looser nerd. I have a girlfriend. (And no, she ISN'T AN ANIMAL before someone tries to say that.)

I didnt call u a nerd, simply that the idea is completely unfeasible so it's obsolete to attempt to use it to make a point. Species are naturally attracted to their own species and that is that.

If it was an illegal alien, yes (jk, jk)

Anyway, It has now become clear to me that my opponets are blindly following some sort of moral athority (the Bible, probably) and that defeats any reasonable, rational argument. Besides, Its late and I'm tired.

F*ck your arrogance and F*ck the Buy Bull's moral authority.

I have yet to see a real indication of Dolphin intellect (I could say the same about certain posters in NS, but thats as far as I go in that direction).
If Dolphins really were do fugging brilliant, wouldn't they have developed something that people could see?
If some one from another planet were to come here, even with no other exposure to Earth, they could grasp that humans have something over the other animals.


Morals interfere with my plans for world domination.


I'd say that it is still signifigantly more human than a cow. While we're on the subject of cows, what, exactly, is my sister up to? She seems to be giving my e-mail address to gay porn sites.
Further, why, exactly, has the cow become the commonly excepted measure of bestiality?
Is there a whole underground cow fetish movement that I was never let in on?


I find it even worse that you said "You'd be surprised how many people who denounce beastiality actually say yes to that." Meaning that you have debated this issue (Alien/Animal/Vegetable Sex) many times before.

Actually, I did once. And in fact, in the beginning I was on your end. And just so you know, I've never actually had sex with an animal. I just think it's ok.


And to Evlandair: Sorry, I know you wern't talking specifically to me.

Further, why, exactly, has the cow become the commonly excepted measure of bestiality?
Is there a whole underground cow fetish movement that I was never let in on?


I always thought it was the horse.

F*ck your arrogance and F*ck the Buy Bull's moral authority.

(Directed to the person Elvandair quoted: ) I have to agree, he/she doesn't nessicaially (sp sorry it's late) have to be Catholic (Christian) to denounce it. And it's his/her opinion. Do not assume everyone who isn't 10234% liberal is a Christian or even a religious person. Morals arn't just a religious phenomonon. (again, sp it's like 1:30 in the morning and I've been pushing carts all day.)

I always thought it was the horse.

It is for females..... lol j/k

Not all socities have considered bestiality taboo:

“More unusual types of bestiality are sometimes practiced in order to acquire magical power or material success. Congress with crocodiles, for instance, was practiced in ancient Egypt as part of divine worship. During intercourse with her mate, the female crocodile turns over on her back while the mate mounts her, and she can only resume her normal position with great difficulty. Richard Burton (d. 1890) quotes a French traveller’s account of bestiality he witnessed among the fellahin of Egypt. The men, taking advantage of the female crocodile’s helpless position, drive off the male and ‘supplant him in this frightful intercourse’. This congress, adds Burton, is believed to be ‘the sovereignest for rising to rank and riches’.” (Ibid., 266-267)

But Humans are animals, just smarter and with the capability of sex for pleasure. So are dolphins. They're actually quite intelligent, maybe equal to humans. We just can't communicate with them.

Oh, and just to everyone who says beastiality is morally wrong:

What if tommorow a hot female (/male) alien with only slight differences from humans showed up at your door and asked to have sex with you. Would you do it? (Note: If you have beliefs that limit your sexual contact, assume that everything is ok, i.e. your married, etc.)









(Answer, then read below.)









You'd be surprised how many people who denounce beastiality actually say yes to that. They may be simmilar to humans, but they are a different species, which is also the case with animals. Hell, this is even worse since it'll be from another planet!

But we're married! Why are we married? You've created a situation that wouldn't happen even if there were extraterrestrials on Earth.

Actually, I did once. And in fact, in the beginning I was on your end. And just so you know, I've never actually had sex with an animal. I just think it's ok.
Shwiggity Shwiggity Shwa?
What about my end, now?
And what does it have to do with your begginning?

I just think this debate is silly, and somewhat gross with too many bad mental images.
NS Poster . . . Cow . . . :fluffle: . . .
:eek:
Thats . . . just . . . :eek:
THE HORROR! THE HORROR!
OH MERCILESS GODS, THE GOGGLES DO NOTHING!!!!

I meant the end that opposes beastiality.

And yes please keep the cow out of my brain.... there's a reason we call fat people that name! Lol!

I meant the end that opposes beastiality.

And yes please keep the cow out of my brain.... there's a reason we call fat people that name! Lol!
I never said I opposed it.
I just oppose seeing and discussing it.
And I appose letting my dog get involved.

Ok...... I was never directly talking to you. I was talking to the guy who was all against beastiality.

I reacant that statement.... :rolleyes:

I understand your position. But your post was a little unclear so I said that. Meh. Now let's get back to talking about 73h hawt 4nimalz! Lol!

OK now I'm confused..... At the beginning of that post you were going on about what end I was on and such.... I calrified that.

i can't believe this thread has gone on for 4 pages. you people are all perverts.

OK now I'm confused..... At the beginning of that post you were going on about what end I was on and such.... I calrified that.
So am I.
Alright, I am in favor of bestiality, provided that I never have to hear people talking about the hot peice of giraffe that they scored with last night.
Further, it must be kept away from where I can see it.
Finally, if you look at my dog that way one more time I will surgically remove your reproductive abilities, got me?

(That last one was sarcasm, I'm not really threatening anyone)

i can't believe this thread has gone on for 4 pages. you people are all perverts.
Don't look at me like that! ;)

before we do anything like that, we need to find out what intelligence really is. indeed, humans are one of the (perhaps the, but that still remains to be proven) most intelligent races on earth. thus, no matter how hard we try, our definition of intelligence is jaded as such. it's too bad, but i'm sure it'd be the same case if another species evolved the same way we did.

Well this forum has reached a new low, people condoning beastiality, I think im gonna be sick.

This topic deserves a BUMP.

Dolphins, aside from humans, are the only other animal known to have sex for fun. So, if they don't seem to want to get it on with you that probably means they are racists.
I didnt call u a nerd, simply that the idea is completely unfeasible so it's obsolete to attempt to use it to make a point. Species are naturally attracted to their own species and that is that.
Most disgusting thing i'v ever seen on the discovert channel. But rather suits here. Anywho, here goes...
There is an owl in australia that looks around the shore for dead sea birds and fornicates with them.
And for no apparent reason, here is a bio terrorism smiley
:gundge:

So am I.
Alright, I am in favor of bestiality, provided that I never have to hear people talking about the hot peice of giraffe that they scored with last night.
Further, it must be kept away from where I can see it.
Finally, if you look at my dog that way one more time I will surgically remove your reproductive abilities, got me?

(That last one was sarcasm, I'm not really threatening anyone)


Why does it have to be hidden? Also, why does the whole debate seem to be about the human in the penetrating and dominant position? Surely if someone lets their dog hump them, that deals with consent issues, unless it's a Great Dane or sim'lar?

As for getting consent from signing gorillas or underwater keyboard dolphins, do you really think one could prove the efficacy and reliability of these methods for giving consent in a court of law? That's the real issue, and surely getting a person to dress up as an animal for sex or letting an animal hump you is less effort? With some form of consent, I wouldn't say it's immoral, just a waste of effort.

Why does it have to be hidden?
ARE YOU NUTS!?!?!
I don't want to see any of that!
I'm in favor of legalizing it because that would end the debate, there are few things that make an elevator ride less awkward than someone talking about bestiality.
Fortunately a took action by kicking the guy in the groin and getting off at the next floor, but what if I hadn't?

Come to think of it, that would be a cursse idea
"Where ever you look, you will see Fido and your neighbor."
:eek:

Great, next thing you know animals are going to want the vote :)

Anyway, I feel the need to bring up an issue with...hrm...dolphin sex.
Dolphins are a lot stronger than humans. Alot. A female dolphin could give any guy some serious problems without even trying, most likely not on purpose.
A male dolphin...well...its a bad idea.

Aside from that, Americas laws are based on the Bible, which has some pretty strong views on sex with animals, IE: Both parties die, by stoning I think, and I feel that this is a good thing.
Who wants to take bets on whether the first AIDs monkey consented to 'it' with some guy/gal in Africa? Fun thoughts.

Well this forum has reached a new low, people condoning beastiality, I think im gonna be sick.

What, and the never ending biggotry isn't a low?

Dolphins, aside from humans, are the only other animal known to have sex for fun. So, if they don't seem to want to get it on with you that probably means they are racists.


The ape and monkey have sex for pleasure.

Dolphins, aside from humans, are the only other animal known to have sex for fun. So, if they don't seem to want to get it on with you that probably means they are racists.

Incorrect.
http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/pleasure.htm

At a minimum, at least, one other speciues, Bonobos, also engage in purely non-reproductive, hetero-sexual, non-masturbation, sexual behavior.

Note that this is a far fifferent statement than yur claim.

Most disgusting thing i'v ever seen on the discovert channel. But rather suits here. Anywho, here goes...
There is an owl in australia that looks around the shore for dead sea birds and fornicates with them.

what, no responses? no one cares that the owl is an inter-species necropheliac?

Necro is off-topic ... I guess.
Consent: kick a dog and you know s/he doesn't like it. Give a dog a treat and you know s/he likes it. They let you know, and it's pretty obvious.
Abuse: Someone back there had a point. I'd agree that any pet-type animal on bottom would suffer discomfort (though I, uh, can't really know for sure), but what *about* on top? Dogs hump people's legs all the time, so they obviously want some. And I don't think you can seriously suggest having an orgasm = abuse ... Or can you?
Cruelty: someone compared raping a cow to killing a cow and eating it. I have no problem with the comparison; I take issue with their result. Neither action is strictly necessary; vegetarians survive handsomely without killing cows, and the majority of humankind gets by without having sex with cows ("rape" in this instance is a value-laden term). I think it's fair to say that killing a cow and eating it is significantly crueller than having sex with it, especially since famrers must often insert their entire arm into a cow to assist with the birthing process, and the human penis is much, much smaller than the human arm. It's possible they wouldn't even notice it.
Morality: a lot of people basically have knee-jerk reactions to anything related to sex. Basically, their mouths automatically open and they say things without really thinking about them, even if they're a normally rational person. It seems to me that a lot of people just automatically go "ewww" with this topic, and refuse to think about it any further, even though it's a pretty obvious justice issue. I don't know exactly what part triggers this reaction. Is it the inter-species sex part? (After asking one of my friends this just now, they said it would be hilarious if they saw a dog having sex with a cat). Is it just a religious reaction? (There are a lot of people who consider themselves "moral" without being "religious"). I honestly don't know. Can anybody tell me?
Rape: this is almost a topic worthy of a separate discussion, but can someone here define rape? It's nonconsentual sex, yes. But, as in an instance where one is uncertain of whether a party is capable of giving consent, does sex without consent count, or does the party have to actively *not* consent, if you see what I mean. One could have sex with a stuffed animal, and it would be nonconsentual. But it wouldn't be rape, since the stuffed animal could hardly be expected to not-consent. And if we assume animals are incapable of consent, shouldn't we assume they are incapable of un-consent as well? Or are they constantly in a state of not consenting to anything enacted on them by humans, in which case the obvious question is: why is nonconsentual sex morally repugnant when nonconsentual everything else isn't?

I believe consent requires more than a technical understanding of what is to happen. Look at statutory rape laws. Surely a teenager is old enough to understand the consequences of sex. Well, yes and no. They can understand the words you are speaking, the description of the possible consequences, but they don't really understand it until it's too late.

Someone once said that teenagers feel immortal. I suppose that's apt enough. Perhaps it isn't so much that they do not understand the consequences, as they have some feeling that it will never happen to them. Or perhaps they simply don't yet understand the true gravity of the consequences.

In any event, a human teenager is well beyond any animal, and we don't even accept that they can give consent.