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*this may be an unprecedented event. Bush is actually admitting to at least one of the trillions of failures of his leadership. Its a start I guess...

For First Time Bush Admits Mistakes in Iraq
President Bush has admitted for the first time that he has mismanaged the handling of Iraq after the fall of Baghdad. In a rare admission of a mistake, he told the New York Times that he had made a "miscalculation of what the conditions would be'' in postwar Iraq. Since he appeared aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln on May 1, 2003 under a banner that read "Mission Accomplished" 828 U.S. troops have been killed in Iraq -- six times as many as the number killed during so-called major combat operations. In addition more U.S. soldiers have now died in 2004 than all of last year in Iraq.
www.democracynow.org

Are you serious? :eek:

*this may be an unprecedented event. Bush is actually admitting to at least one of the trillions of failures of his leadership. Its a start I guess...

For First Time Bush Admits Mistakes in Iraq
President Bush has admitted for the first time that he has mismanaged the handling of Iraq after the fall of Baghdad. In a rare admission of a mistake, he told the New York Times that he had made a "miscalculation of what the conditions would be'' in postwar Iraq. Since he appeared aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln on May 1, 2003 under a banner that read "Mission Accomplished" 828 U.S. troops have been killed in Iraq -- six times as many as the number killed during so-called major combat operations. In addition more U.S. soldiers have now died in 2004 than all of last year in Iraq.
www.democracynow.org
Mmmmmmmm-kaaaaaay

Are you serious? :eek:
aye--its strange isnt it?

Don't post things if you find them on democracynow.org.

Are you serious? :eek:

It's true, he gave an interview and said he made mistakes, etc.. with Iraq.. it was on the news tonight.

Wonder why he's doing this. I don't think it is a perfect job, but compared to some other occupations in the past, it isn't all that bad. Even the US occupation of the Phillipines in the early 1900s was quite a failure, turning into the little known Moro Wars.

Mmmmmmmm-kaaaaaay
its all true--Im sure someone can find a link to some corporate-pig media conglomerate to confirm it for you but I prefer to get my news from the source that speaks for the people who matter

Don't post things if you find them on democracynow.org.
its the peoples media

its all true--Im sure someone can find a link to some corporate-pig media conglomerate to confirm it for you but I prefer to get my news from the source that speaks for the people who matter
I believe you.
its the peoples media
Don't liberals try to hide their Communist influences?

its the peoples media
Its to biased.

Again with the people confusing Communism with Liberals. geez. Get educated first! They are f**king different! I'm no extreme liberal, but that doesn't make anyone of them a freaking communist. I'm just going to start calling conservatives "dictators".

:sniper: :mp5: wage war with america :mp5: :sniper:

well, we are all against bush, but hes in charge of america. if we hate bush we hate america! send me a telegram with ur proposal for war against america, for them distroying our enviroment , killing iraqi's , declairing war for no reason. if i get enough pertitions we will wage war with them! but if not....ill do it anyway

:sniper: :mp5: wage war with america :mp5: :sniper:

well, we are all against bush, but hes in charge of america. if we hate bush we hate america! send me a telegram with ur proposal for war against america, for them distroying our enviroment , killing iraqi's , declairing war for no reason. if i get enough pertitions we will wage war with them! but if not....ill do it anyway
mmmmmmmmmm-kaaaaaay

It's true, he gave an interview and said he made mistakes, etc.. with Iraq.. it was on the news tonight.

Sorry to sound so incredulous, but I just can't believe it. Bush isn't the type of guy to admit such a thing. His arrogance forbids it.

Its to biased.
then the truth is biased but at least it doesnt have a ruling class bias but a pro-people one

Its to biased.
it can be as biased as it wants, that doesnt matter for diddly squat if it is posting interviews and news items that are other places

Sorry to sound so incredulous, but I just can't believe it. Bush isn't the type of guy to admit such a thing. His arrogance forbids it.
maybe its the anti-depressants talking?

$10 says tomorrow he blames Colin Powell (or John Kerry supporters) for slipping something in his drink, and Carl Rove's drink, and all the rest too. Then he'll go on to say something stupid about how we actually did win in Iraq. It'll be great, I'm sure.

$10 says tomorrow he blames Colin Powell (or John Kerry supporters) for slipping something in his drink, and Carl Rove's drink, and all the rest too. Then he'll go on to say something stupid about how we actually did win in Iraq. It'll be great, I'm sure.
Bush is such a flip flopper :)

He didn't come out and say "I f#@ked up sooo badly, somebody please kill me!" he merely stated that he would have gone about things differently had he known about the things he knows now, the things that were almost impossible for him to know then. If you had the choice to go back in time and restart your first day of school, or the first try to ask someone out, you would do that. That doesn't mean you're admitting how much you've "Ruined everything".

If he said it I am sure it would have been to sway peoples minds away from thinking he and his friends actually had their agenda for enriching themseleves ALL along and to keep us focused way the heck over to Iraq makes so we don't notice him two fisting the cookie jar.

Okay, so he's admitted he made a mistake. You guys know it's true, so why is it so hard to accept? Doesn't the man get any credit for honesty? I mean, let's face it, it's unusual for any politician to say, "I screwed up." Personally, I applaud him for his statement.

Okay, so he's admitted he made a mistake. You guys know it's true, so why is it so hard to accept? Doesn't the man get any credit for honesty? I mean, let's face it, it's unusual for any politician to say, "I screwed up." Personally, I applaud him for his statement.

Yeah, I mean it only came after a year or so of lying, and extreme pressure from all sorts of groups, and after a little abuse scandal and thousands dead and a country and a region more pissed off at us than they were before. But hey, he said it was his fault, so let's let bygones be bygones. I mean, that worked with Clinton, right? Gets a BJ in office, lies about it, and everyone hates him. BJs = thousands dead, right? It's probably close, at least, lets just call it even.

Yeah, I mean it only came after a year or so of lying, and extreme pressure from all sorts of groups, and after a little abuse scandal and thousands dead and a country and a region more pissed off at us than they were before. But hey, he said it was his fault, so let's let bygones be bygones. I mean, that worked with Clinton, right? Gets a BJ in office, lies about it, and everyone hates him. BJs = thousands dead, right? It's probably close, at least, lets just call it even.

Reading an awful lot into my comment, aren't you? First, I'm not one of the Clinton-haters, so that's irrelevant. Second, I never said that we should just forget about his mistakes just because he admitted them. What I was saying is that it shows at least some sense of responsibility on his part, and that it's better than the alternatives, pretending that nothing's wrong or putting the blame on someone else. With any luck, now that he's admitted his mistakes, he'll do what he can to clean them up.

all bush said was that he miscalculated how the iraqi people would respond to the US presence.

He did not say iraq was a failure
he did not say we lost.

Okay, so he's admitted he made a mistake. You guys know it's true, so why is it so hard to accept? Doesn't the man get any credit for honesty? I mean, let's face it, it's unusual for any politician to say, "I screwed up." Personally, I applaud him for his statement.

Ask all the people that attack Kerry for being a "war criminal"

My question is this:

Bush admitted he made a mistake. A BIG one.
Why doesnt this send a clear message to everyone that Bush is unfit for a second term?

Mistakes are costly. Billion upon billions of dollars have been wasted by Bush's "mistake", and that same mistake has cost many, many lives.

You screw up, and you have to pay the consequences.

Okay, so he's admitted he made a mistake. You guys know it's true, so why is it so hard to accept? Doesn't the man get any credit for honesty? I mean, let's face it, it's unusual for any politician to say, "I screwed up." Personally, I applaud him for his statement.
Bush and honesty in same sentence? We call that an oxymoron. :rolleyes:

Maybe someone posted this already ....
NY Times and some other folk say a new admin report to Congress indicates that CO2 emissions (et cetera) are the LIKELY explanation for global warming over the last three decades .... try Dr. James Mahoney for a name lead or Andrew C. Revkin, circa Monday or Tuesday this week.
Last one Bush said anything about, something like "put out by the bureaucracy".
Something's definitely up.

Maybe someone posted this already ....
NY Times and some other folk say a new admin report to Congress indicates that CO2 emissions (et cetera) are the LIKELY explanation for global warming over the last three decades .... try Dr. James Mahoney for a name lead or Andrew C. Revkin, circa Monday or Tuesday this week.
Last one Bush said anything about, something like "put out by the bureaucracy".
Something's definitely up.
The stakes are getting high and Bush is running out of chips?

Perhaps next week, Bush will be leading the environmental parade against that "bureaucracy"?

The stakes are getting high and Bush is running out of chips?

Perhaps next week, Bush will be leading the environmental parade against that "bureaucracy"?


well its convention week
we heard dick cheney say he doesnt mind gay marriage
we heard bush say he messed up
and we have the republicans pretending like they care for the environment.

The line up is full of moderates ( arnold S, pataki )

Isnt it obvious hes trying to reach out to the moderates right now?

I still prefer bush over kerry tho.
esp with a democratically controlled senate, which doesnt allow bush to pus hthrough just any judicial nominee into the supreme court.

My question is this:

Bush admitted he made a mistake. A BIG one.
Why doesnt this send a clear message to everyone that Bush is unfit for a second term?

Mistakes are costly. Billion upon billions of dollars have been wasted by Bush's "mistake", and that same mistake has cost many, many lives.

You screw up, and you have to pay the consequences.


Because leaders admit to their mistakes. well some of them anyways :D

Because leaders admit to their mistakes. well some of them anyways :D


So what if he admitted to it?
That makes it all right?

Screw that!


When a person scews up THAT badly...you get fired!

So what if he admitted to it?
That makes it all right?

Screw that!


When a person scews up THAT badly...you get fired!
"Out damned spot, out I say"

Yes he should be fired! :sniper:

If Bush was the CEO of a company, that had just cost that company that kind of money, or even an amount that would be relative to the size of that company, would he not be terminated?

If that mistake ended up costing american lives....would he not be charged with criminal intent, or negligence?

What about ten thousand lives?

If Bush was the CEO of a company, that had just cost that company that kind of money, or even an amount that would be relative to the size of that company, would he not be terminated?

If that mistake ended up costing american lives....would he not be charged with criminal intent, or negligence?

What about ten thousand lives?

i agree he should be held accountable, what i dont agree is that kerry should take his place. I believe his ass should be impeached like clinton though.

But how bout all the senators who voted for the iraq resolution? they should be held accoutnable too.

Kerry contradicts greenspan
Kerry doesnt want bush to re align our troops.
kerry wants to increase spending, how is he gunna fund it?
kerry wants to lower our troops in half in iraq, by convincing other nations to go? yeah right!
kerry is against the privitization of social security.
kerry is full of emtpy hopeful promises he just cant keep.
atleast i already know whats up with bush.
kerry says bush doesnt support stem cells, which is wrong.

Everyone complains about iraq like its the worst war in this nations history. fuckin vietnam people cmon now.

I think there has been some confusion among what he admitted to miscalcuating and how much damage that caused. He didn't go "OMG! Those wacky liberals were right! There were no WMDs, saddam really wasn't doing anything bad, I actually just came here for oil, and jesus is stoopid!" he said "I miscalculated the reaction of iraqis." He expected everyone to hold parades for him, and party like it's 1999. A majority did do that, and life is getting exponentially better in the region. However, we still have some crazies who want to blow up men, women, and children and spill the blood of the "great satan". Bush didn't think they'd be that desparate, and not the most perfect tactical situations occured because of that. But, he still did superbly better than most of you critics would have.

I think there has been some confusion among what he admitted to miscalcuating and how much damage that caused. He didn't go "OMG! Those wacky liberals were right! There were no WMDs, saddam really wasn't doing anything bad, I actually just came here for oil, and jesus is stoopid!" he said "I miscalculated the reaction of iraqis." He expected everyone to hold parades for him, and party like it's 1999. A majority did do that, and life is getting exponentially better in the region. However, we still have some crazies who want to blow up men, women, and children and spill the blood of the "great satan". Bush didn't think they'd be that desparate, and not the most perfect tactical situations occured because of that. But, he still did superbly better than most of you critics would have.

If anyone else wouldv been president im sure saddam would STILL be the next presidents headache to deal with.

Every person makes mistakes, it just takes a big person to admit they made one.

Every person makes mistakes, it just takes a big person to admit they made one.

thank you for prooving my point : )

Every person makes mistakes, it just takes a big person to admit they made one.


The problem is:

When I make a mistake at work, somebody gets the wrong pizza or something.

When BUSH makes a mistake....people DIE.

How many "mistakes" should you be allowed to make when the lives of millions hangs in the balance?

If anyone else wouldv been president im sure saddam would STILL be the next presidents headache to deal with.

No, instead we have the entire Middle East region hating us more than ever before. Big Fucking Improvement.

Oh, and we'll also be receiving less international cooperation than ever before, so all the headaches are specifically OUR headaches.

Anyone who still likes Bush is a moron. I'm done trying reason with those people. I'm tired of presenting overwhelming evidence. I'm tired of facts being ignored, just because they don't fit into the neo-con worldview. I've given up hope, much like Gallileo when he had to recant his entirely correct theories in order to save his own life. The truth does not matter. Just like a person who pursues dysfunctional relationships time and time again, America is doggedly headed down a path to ruin, all the while wondering why bad things keep happening.

(Resigns himself to the handbasket.)

No, instead we have the entire Middle East region hating us more than ever before. Big Fucking Improvement.

Oh, and we'll also be receiving less international cooperation than ever before, so all the headaches are specifically OUR headaches.

Anyone who still likes Bush is a moron. I'm done trying reason with those people. I'm tired of presenting overwhelming evidence. I'm tired of facts being ignored, just because they don't fit into the neo-con worldview. I've given up hope, much like Gallileo when he had to recant his entirely correct theories in order to save his own life. The truth does not matter. Just like a person who pursues dysfunctional relationships time and time again, America is doggedly headed down a path to ruin, all the while wondering why bad things keep happening.

(Resigns himself to the handbasket.)


well in ten years if iraq and te entire middle east ends up better off i suppose you'd be wrong, but never admit it.
If in ten years iraq isnt better, i will definately admit it.

sometimes, like youve proved yourself with gallileo, the right thing to do, isnt always the popular thing.

it's ok admitting mistakes as long as you learn something from them, and quite frankly, i don't think the man is capable of that....sounds more like the begining of a face saving, vote grabbing excersise to me...

it's ok admitting mistakes as long as you learn something from them, and quite frankly, i don't think the man is capable of that....sounds more like the begining of a face saving, vote grabbing excersise to me...

it is.

well its convention week
we heard dick cheney say he doesnt mind gay marriage
we heard bush say he messed up
and we have the republicans pretending like they care for the environment.

The line up is full of moderates ( arnold S, pataki )

Isnt it obvious hes trying to reach out to the moderates right now?

I still prefer bush over kerry tho.
esp with a democratically controlled senate, which doesnt allow bush to pus hthrough just any judicial nominee into the supreme court.
There is a slight republican majority at the moment.

Oh, and MK Ultra I'll believe it when I hear it from a credible source. This would be like me going on Micheal Savage.com and finding out John Kerry was worshiping satan. It wouldnt be a credible source.

it's ok admitting mistakes as long as you learn something from them, and quite frankly, i don't think the man is capable of that....sounds more like the begining of a face saving, vote grabbing excersise to me...
Hammer hits nail squarely on the head, driving home the point!!

The man truly has no humility. When the prison abuse story broke (which had been known about for months by certain parties), it still took over two days for Bush to apologize to the people of Iraq. I really don't think he wanted to apologize and that he only did so because that is what the world expected him to do.

He also has much more to apologize for and it will be interesting to see if he does?

Oh, and MK Ultra I'll believe it when I hear it from a credible source. This would be like me going on Micheal Savage.com and finding out John Kerry was worshiping satan. It wouldnt be a credible source.
tony snow deal, I knew the left would hit this bush would too ok I know kids who knew the left would hit its just that well he doesn't care.

There is a slight republican majority at the moment.
in the polls where you have some margain of error and kerry has more electoral but I am betting they will be equal by 911 really and it will be becasue of the convetion not the date of one of the biggest tradgey.

in the polls where you have some margain of error and kerry has more electoral but I am betting they will be equal by 911 really and it will be becasue of the convetion not the date of one of the biggest tradgey.
I think Fox Hills meant a "slight republican majority" in the Senate, not the polling for President.

I think Fox Hills meant a "slight republican majority" in the Senate, not the polling for President.
yeah but kerry has it in the house and thats all that counts and I'm not to thrilled by that prospect.

in the polls where you have some margain of error and kerry has more electoral but I am betting they will be equal by 911 really and it will be becasue of the convetion not the date of one of the biggest tradgey.
LA Times poll has Bush up 47-44, kerry got absolutely no bounce after the DNC, As for senators in washington, there is a slight majority of republicans over democrats

Republicans hold both houses. Nothing is more dangerous to american democracy than the same party holding the executive branch and both houses.

Republicans hold both houses. Nothing is more dangerous to american democracy than the same party holding the executive branch and both houses.
We need a strong 3rd party in this country

Republicans hold both houses. Nothing is more dangerous to american democracy than the same party holding the executive branch and both houses.
George W.: I want $1.5 Trillion dollars to play with. I want to give most of it to my wealthy friends.

Congress: No problem George.

George W.: I want $1.5 Trillion dollars to play with. I want to give most of it to my wealthy friends.

Congress: No problem George.

Bingo. Now, while I'm liberal, I'd still look suspiciously at a Democratic sweep of both houses and the executive. I like a bit of political congestion.

Republicans hold both houses. Nothing is more dangerous to american democracy than the same party holding the executive branch and both houses.
and dont forget the supreme court of the united states, why do you think those republican gerrymandering cases arnt being stopped.

Ask all the people that attack Kerry for being a "war criminal"

Once again, I'm not one of them. I'd appreciate not being asked to answer for beliefs I don't agree with.

My question is this:

Bush admitted he made a mistake. A BIG one.
Why doesnt this send a clear message to everyone that Bush is unfit for a second term?

Mistakes are costly. Billion upon billions of dollars have been wasted by Bush's "mistake", and that same mistake has cost many, many lives.

You screw up, and you have to pay the consequences.

Whoa, hold on here! Bush has said that he made mistakes in his managing of the Iraq war. He hasn't said that the Iraq war itself was a mistake.

I think there has been some confusion among what he admitted to miscalcuating and how much damage that caused. He didn't go "OMG! Those wacky liberals were right! There were no WMDs, saddam really wasn't doing anything bad, I actually just came here for oil, and jesus is stoopid!" he said "I miscalculated the reaction of iraqis." He expected everyone to hold parades for him, and party like it's 1999. A majority did do that, and life is getting exponentially better in the region. However, we still have some crazies who want to blow up men, women, and children and spill the blood of the "great satan". Bush didn't think they'd be that desparate, and not the most perfect tactical situations occured because of that. But, he still did superbly better than most of you critics would have.

Well said.

in the polls where you have some margain of error and [b]kerry has more electoral[b] but I am betting they will be equal by 911 really and it will be becasue of the convetion not the date of one of the biggest tradgey.

Debatable (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/27/bush.electoral/).