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What do you think about welfare. I think it is wrong because it forces other people to pay for someone they do not know. The way I look at it if you can't provide for your self you obviously have something wrong with what you are doing instead of being leech off the tax dollars. Why do you people think I should be forced to pay MY money for someone I don't know? The also need to get rid of HUD, Welfare, and (Food aid to other countries like Africa).

The reason I am against HUD. It brings all the people who lived in shacks in the hills come into the nice neighborhoods of the city and pile their yards full of rusted cars and beer cans bringing the people around them property value down.

But, if it came down to it, you'd take a welfare cheque if you had to rather than end up on the street, wouncha?

What do you think about welfare. I think it is wrong because it forces other people to pay for someone they do not know. The way I look at it if you can't provide for your self you obviously have something wrong with what you are doing instead of being leech off the tax dollars. Why do you people think I should be forced to pay MY money for someone I don't know? They also need to get rid of HUD, Welfare, and (Food aid to other countries like Africa).

IMO, welfare will make a society lazy. The government should make it so that the only way you can get welfare is so that is a supplement to your primary source of income (IE get a job before or actively look for one in order to make one eligible for it).

As for Africa, they are screwed way worse than us - We should continue the Food aid until it becomes more stable there.


They also need to get rid of HUD
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I agree, it is a system that is prone to be abused at the expense of every tax payer. With that being said, I do see if a country votes or wants to do so, then so be it. The only area that I personally would see welfare as being fair is for people truly disabled, and the retarded. Otherwise get a frickin J O B, But thats just my take.

i oppose welfare pretty strongly, and i spent several years as a member of the population who most "needs" welfare; i was homeless during part of my high school career, and lived at a youth shelter in my city while going to school and working.

I agree, it is a system that is prone to be abused at the expense of every tax payer. With that being said, I do see if a country votes or wants to do so, then so be it. The only area that I personally would see welfare as being fair is for people truly disabled, and the retarded. Otherwise get a frickin J O B, But thats just my take.

Yea I forgot to say I supported it for retarded people and disabled people.

i oppose welfare pretty strongly, and i spent several years as a member of the population who most "needs" welfare; i was homeless during part of my high school career, and lived at a youth shelter in my city while going to school and working.
so how come your'e so opposed?

Africa isn't a country.

I think people who can't work, or just can't get by on what they earn on the full time jobs that they are qualified to hold should get some assistance. It should be tied to manditory job training or community service of some type though.

Africa isn't a country.

I know but all the countries there are useless so why list them.

"But, if it came down to it, you'd take a welfare cheque if you had to rather than end up on the street, wouncha?"

Nope, I have been eleigible for welfare and social security disability benifits for the last 4 years (Im happy with my life). I do not see the reasoning of making my friend or foe pay for my expenses through life. Now granted when the day comes where I can not do anything for myself, I may reconsider if my only other option is to die a lonely (under a bridge) death. 'Maybe' but i'll resist as long as I am capable.

what if your own countrys' economy was to suddenly implode, leaving massive unemployment, should they then be left to fend for themselves? or would welfare be ok in that scenario...imagine it were you, just for a minute.

Welfare=good idea

However

Abused American Welfare=multi-billion dollar drain on society

Yes, some people need it. Then there are the lazy sons of guns who just prefer not working. And their kids who will do the same. And so on. And so on.

We still need to have it, but restrict it heavily. Maybe put something into social security so it still exists by the time I get there.

-R. S. of UC

"But, if it came down to it, you'd take a welfare cheque if you had to rather than end up on the street, wouncha?"

Nope, I have been eleigible for welfare and social security disability benifits for the last 4 years (Im happy with my life). I do not see the reasoning of making my friend or foe pay for my expenses through life. Now granted when the day comes where I can not do anything for myself, I may reconsider if my only other option is to die a lonely (under a bridge) death. 'Maybe' but i'll resist as long as I am capable.

if you are eligible for welfare and disability benifits then how do you support yourself?

Absolutly right.Africa is not a country.

And I think to stop aid to African countries would terribly wrong.What would the food do in your America?It would rot.And you say welfare makes people lazy?and it not fair you should pay for it?Sure their guys who are lazy and collect welfare,sure their guys who waste it on drugs or booze,sure the system is sometimes abuzed,but did you ever think about the society we live in?Lazy?I know tons of people perfectly willing to work hard,but theirs simply no jobs.Half the people live in Urban centers,and if theres no work what the hell do you want them to do?Create work for themselves?What,should they start making crafts out of garbage to provide for their family of 4?should the single mother make a can recycling bussiness empire to feed her baby?Start farming their land?Theres nothing they can do!wait,well thats not true,if their were no work AND no welfare.They can steal from people with jobs?Would you like that?

"what if your own countrys' economy was to suddenly implode, leaving massive unemployment, should they then be left to fend for themselves? or would welfare be ok in that scenario...imagine it were you, just for a minute."

I have been unemployed for the last 4 years (trying to get work in my former field), that is why I have spent just about every dime I have on college (to hopefully better myself). No loans just a $985 a month check from my GI Bill (that I paid $1200, and 5 years of active duty and 3 years of IRR service for)for full time schooling. I personally have a problem with how expensive college has become, its outrageous! I can not imagine how people save up enough for thier kids to go.

I know but all the countries there are useless so why list them.

I think that you are an ignorant idiot full of misconceptions, so why talk to you.

Yea I forgot to say I supported it for retarded people and disabled people.Pff. It always comes down to self interest for you rightwingers.

Jeez,

Let the poor people get some peace. You never know which ones are lazy and which ones never had a chance in society. Therefor, it's only fair to let them get the stuff.

Here's a shocker... I'm a left-wing liberal who supports the NDP (Canadian party), but, I hate welfare. I believe that only the truly disabled; those who are physically and/or mentally unfit to work should be allowed the option to collect welfare so that they can survive. However, if you're just a lazy SOB, you deserved to be shoved into a forced labour camp if you don't want to get a job so you actually EARN your blody welfare check.

Yes, I think able-bodied and able-minded people on welfare are a waste of time, money and flesh. I don't care if they decide not to work; you know, like stay-at-home-moms... Just don't collect welfare! Get a REAL JOB.

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Pff. It always comes down to self interest for you rightwingers.

That was mature.

When I was a boy my family went on welfare for a short time. Both my parents were factory workers, and when my father had a heart attack he was unable to work for some time. Welfare helped us get by until we could get back on our feet. It would be a shame to cast honest families into poverty just to prevent the system from being abused by freeloaders. There has to be a way to sort out who needs welfare from who just wants it.

I dont think welfare is an entirely bad thing, however, the welfare system needs to be reworked. People get one welfare and get dependent on it, stop looking for jobs, and then just become a burden for everyone else. I would say keep welfare but but a limit on it. I am not sure what the limit should be, 3 month, 6 months, maybe even a year. The point is there needs to be incentive for these people to go find a job and we need to prevent people from becoming dependent on welfare, thats the problem.

When I was a boy my family went on welfare for a short time. Both my parents were factory workers, and when my father had a heart attack he was unable to work for some time. Welfare helped us get by until we could get back on our feet. It would be a shame to cast honest families into poverty just to prevent the system from being abused by freeloaders. There has to be a way to sort out who needs welfare from who just wants it.

I think they need a job loss system that can be used if something happens at work and the extra money is needed to survive. But there should not be a long term system( it shouldn't last more than 6-8 months)

It should be tied to manditory job training or community service of some type though.

And mandatory, frequent drug and alcohol testing.

Therefor [sic], it's only fair to let them get the stuff.

Fair to whom?

And mandatory, frequent drug and alcohol testing.
Why? Lots of people like their drugs and alcohol but still manage to be productive members of the workforce.

im all for welfare, but you must have done something to deserve it. you should be in a job that offers living wages (a bit of an oxymoron because living wages is something like 9 dollars an hour correct me if im wrong). and if you cant find a job then you must give back to the community or government. wether its by cleaning up the streets of trash or serving soup to the poor in a shelter. but what do i know I think everyone when they turn 18 should be mandated to do a year or two of social work around the nation to broaden everyones personality and make them understand what this nation is. I dont think alot of people would be saying they have it rough in thier 4 bed room house and 2 car garage when they see some run down town that was bankrupted when the coal industry, steel industry or any other industry decided to leave the city and not offer its jobs any more

And mandatory, frequent drug and alcohol testing.
more erosion of freedom....nice

Why? Lots of people like their drugs and alcohol but still manage to be productive members of the workforce.

Yes, but they are, as you say, productive members of the work force. They don't require that the government rob me to pay for their drugs. Someone on welfare doing drugs, does so with me footing their drug bill. If they truly are "needy" they shouldn't be wasting my money on crack.

Yes, but they are, as you say, productive members of the work force. They don't require that the government rob me to pay for their drugs. Someone on welfare doing drugs, does so with me footing their drug bill. If they truly are "needy" they shouldn't be wasting my money on crack.
good point.

more erosion of freedom....nice

And taking my money, that I earned, and giving it to drunks and drug addicts is...what? What does that do to my freedom?

I also disagree with the governments polices on welfare. However, I do see the need presented by the needy. I propose gradually (more than a year less than a decade) dissolving government welfare and a privatization of the services for the needy. When I say privatization I am not advocating corporate sponsorship. I suggest nonprofit organizations take the mantel of social welfare. From the large NPO's (Non-profit organizations) like the United way to the smallest churches there could be a support network established for everyone. Before the advent of federal welfare NPO's, many of them small churches, where the primary means of support besides the extended family of those who were in need. The advantage is that the smaller the organization, the more personal and balanced the support is. If the person is addicted to something (Gambling alcohol drugs ect...) the support wont be financial but may be necessities and more accountability from someone who will be personally involved.

Disabled People=Welfare
Everyone else needs to get a fucking job.

Welfare is a bandaid, not a solution. It doesn't change the underlying problems of hierarchy and market forces that create poverty.

Coming from a country where we thankfully had a couple of decent, semi-socialist governments half a decade ago, who set up a welfare state that even Maggie Thatcher couldn't totally get rid of (just run into the ground, thanks Maggie), it seems as natural as breathing for people to recieve benefits/welfare. A few years ago my dad lost his job through no fault of his own, and my mum's income couldn't support the family while he looked for a new one, so unemployment benefits kept my family fed.
Telling people to 'just get a job' is ridiculous. It's not easy to find work even if you're reasonably 'respectable'- if you're homeless then it's nigh-on impossible. It's the duty of better-off members of society to help out those in need.

What do you think about welfare. I think it is wrong because it forces other people to pay for someone they do not know.

So does prison and the military.

It's the duty of better-off members of society to help out those in need.

Why? By whose definition of "need"? Why does that "need" constitute a claim on my life?

So does prison and the military.

But these are legitimate functions of government which help ensure their citizens' safety and liberty. How does taking my money and giving it to the incompetent help ensure safety and liberty?