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This has probably been gone over before, but not while I've been registered... so...

What's your take on prostitution? Include some sort of reasoning or explanation behind the choice you pick (in the poll).

Personally I'm strongly against it, on moral grounds. IMO the stuff about diseases and such, it's their own body they can do it if they want, but IMO prostitution cheapens society and encourages material and physical pleasure at the expense of the moral fabric of society. As to those women who "need" it to get by in life, WHY do they need it? Why can't they find a normal job like everyone else?

im opposed for one reason if your such a loser that you need to pay for sex just buy a video game nerd :P

I agree. Sadly, it's one of the oldest "professions" in the world.
I'm against it primarily because of moral reasons, but also because of the diseases that can and will get spread.

im opposed for one reason if your such a loser that you need to pay for sex just buy a video game nerd :P

I didn't agree with that.

Im all for it, as long as Goverment controls for disease control are strictly enforced.

thats a HUGE taxable income market that is not being tapped.

what are you talking about? i think all women should be forced to go through atleast 2 years of prostitution. and diseases wouldnt be that bad if everyone had them, then everyone could have sex whenever and with whoever they wanted, and not have to worry about a thing. sure, you'll live to be like, 30, but think of all the SEX you will get! im all for it.
Prostitution: Legalize it

I'm for legalizing it with regulations. Why? Because, quite frankly, prostitution has been around longer than money, it is one of the oldest, if not [i]the[i/] oldest profession, and it's not ever going to go away. Even someone who has nothing can sell their body. And it is their body, to do with what they like. I'm sure that everyone who pays a prostitute knows the risks, and if there were mandatory STD checks (in Callisdrun, prostitutes must take them weekly) and such, it would be less dangerous. Also, there's a huge amount of tax revenue.

It's a victimless "crime", and it's between consenting adults, and done in private, so I believe it's none of the government's business. You know, Liberty and pursuit of happiness and all that.

Also, mandatory whore licences which require regular health check-ups. Also, taxation and licencing fees, then throw that money into education.

(p.s. I'm drunk, so this message might be a bit incoherrent).

I might approve of prostitution in an idealized world, but the world is far from ideal. It is too often a form of subjucation for women or used to demean them. It is a shamefull last resort for addicts and the disenfrancised of society. I can not in good concence support it. The fact that I have actually known women that have been driven to such desperation is probably the biggest factor in my decision.

I agree with mercerville, and i think the same about drugs.
People wanna light up, screw up their minds? Go ahead. We tax u, give u restrictions, like in privacy, no diriving cars, no going in public untill effects have worn off, but like i said. They can do what they want, and it sounds like we'd be getting the better end of the stick than druggies, so whatever.
Same opinion as my prostituion opinion.
Sincerely,
Connor

I like to think I'm too sexy to need to pay for it... and even if I'm wrong (which I may will be) I still refuse to pay.

Be that as it may, I think it should be legal - for the sake of the less pigheaded amoral guys out there, not to mention the entrepreneurs taking advantage of said market.

Of course, it would be even more fun to own slave women, if it weren't for all those pesky moral reasons. Stupid conscience always telling me what not to do.... *grumbleGrumble*

To all the people who are FOR it, what about the moral consideration? Do you simply not consider prostitution immoral? If you do, do you think it's not bad enough to justify the loss of economic potential (and satisfying horny guys that just can't get any normally... although to be quite honest, and I'm a teenage guy, I'd rather not have any sex than sex with no emotional meaning...)

To all the people who are FOR it, what about the moral consideration? Do you simply not consider prostitution immoral?

I think it's not my place to impose my morality on someone else, unless they are causing tangible harm to an unwilling person. Whether I feel something is moral or immoral is irrelevant.

I'm not saying that I would particpate. I'm just saying it's good for the economy and such.
I concur with lordarenII, when he says that no sex is better than emotionless sex. BUTTT there are others who would'nt agree with you. And those tax dollars could get me a better road.
Besides, consider the moral considerations? your morals or mine??
Sure i would'nt do it, and i'm guessing you would'nt, but there are some who would.
Besides, think of a hooker union. They could get themselves sooo much money, that i'm sure that they would'nt mind seeling themselves to lonely perverts. Even though many do that now iilgally.
Sincerely,
Connor
P.S.
Amen Sydenia , amen. That's what i'm all about. It's like freedom of religion. I'm allowed to have my opinions. and if they differ from yours, then why should yours be law??
Tyranny by majority is what we've got here.

I'm against it because people will likely mess up their bodies. They will be unable to work and I would have to spend my salary paying for their welfare because they are too messed up to be useful in society. That's the same for making drugs legal.

I'm for it, extremely.

Prostitution is the oldest proffesion on earth for as long as humans exist. So, why don't we fully accept it? We can't do nothing to prevent prostitution. Although in many so-called "moralist" countries, there is always a prostitution.

Prostitution is caused by poverty. So, the only way to eradicate it is to eliminate poverty.

every message i sit here and read is all about how it is the womans choice to sell her body or that a woman should no be doing it... HELLO... what the hell kind of world are some of u living in? the year is 2004, this means that not only women sell themselves to get by... men do to... u just don't hear all that much about it because prostitution is assosiated with females!
Something as big as prostitution will never just go away... mearly pushed into hiding! I tink that it is all wrong but some people simply can't do anything else or are made to do it because they can't say no to the person over powering them. But when it comes down to it... so long as it isn't done so that i can see it i am happy (keep things like that behind cosed doors).

To all the people who are FOR it, what about the moral consideration? Do you simply not consider prostitution immoral? If you do, do you think it's not bad enough to justify the loss of economic potential (and satisfying horny guys that just can't get any normally... although to be quite honest, and I'm a teenage guy, I'd rather not have any sex than sex with no emotional meaning...)

If they want to have meaningless sex, they should be alowed to. Far be it from me to prevent them charging for it.

Of course, being forced into prostitution is a terrible travesty, and anyone that forces someone into it should be taught a lesson involving a length of barbed wire, a pipe, and their anus.

incidently they have a union: http://www.iusw.org/

To all the people who are FOR it, what about the moral consideration? Do you simply not consider prostitution immoral? If you do, do you think it's not bad enough to justify the loss of economic potential (and satisfying horny guys that just can't get any normally... although to be quite honest, and I'm a teenage guy, I'd rather not have any sex than sex with no emotional meaning...)

Well, morality is a subjective thing. Definately something that has no place in legislation. We live in a democracy, not a theocracy. Also, imposing one's own brand of morality upon another is contrary to the ideals of liberty. Mind you I'm talking about victimless "crimes" (esp when it's a matter of consent and privacy). However when it comes to incidents of injustice, then obviously there should be legal intervention.

"To all the people who are FOR it, what about the moral consideration? Do you simply not consider prostitution immoral? If you do, do you think it's not bad enough to justify the loss of economic potential (and satisfying horny guys that just can't get any normally... although to be quite honest, and I'm a teenage guy, I'd rather not have any sex than sex with no emotional meaning...)"

My religion is the only reason I believe prostitution should not be under an enforcable law. I do not believe in imposing my free will upon another that has the ability to use thier own in a decision when that decision will effect no one but themselves. Even though alot of my fellow christians would like it if the world would live by our ways, under our beliefs they are justified not to. Its the people that think just because I wouldnt live this way, so no one else should either, that are the problem with society (these people can be liberal or conservative). If we cut out every person that wanted to tell another how to live (when they effect no one but themselves) we would have much less evil in this world, and be that much closer to Gods calling.

To all the people who are FOR it, what about the moral consideration? Do you simply not consider prostitution immoral? If you do, do you think it's not bad enough to justify the loss of economic potential (and satisfying horny guys that just can't get any normally... although to be quite honest, and I'm a teenage guy, I'd rather not have any sex than sex with no emotional meaning...)

Why should I care about an immoral person's morals? Whether it's legal or not, I doubt the people who either work as prostitutes or those who partake of their services are very concerned about the morality of their actions. And furthermore, I'd add that I think a corporate CEO firing several thousand workers so that he can have more dough is a lot more immoral than someone paying someone else to have sex with them.

I am opposed to prostitution on both grounds of the moral and other damages it creates--unwanted pregancies, STDs, abuse, exploitation, relationships to other crimes, et cetera. However, it would be better for government to regulate it and thus minimize the harms associated it. I personally dislike the term 'victimless crime', but it is a somewhat proper to describe it as such if the exchange is between consenting adults.

And enforcing ones beliefs on others when it does not harm people (besides themselves) is considered 'legislating morality', and that generally does not work. Prostitution probably does as well as it does, because it is illicit.

Society has a moral fabric? Could've fooled me...

If we didn't base our economics on exploitation, it wouldn't exist. Since we do, we might as well allow it with controls, unions, and such, and regulate it like any other business.

If it is immoral, it should not be legal.

If you really think about it, the idea that hurting another person is wrong, IS a moral. Everything that is "right" and "wrong" is a moral... so in saying that we have no right to ask others to do not do something based on our morals is also saying that we have no right to tell another not to commit murder.... Someone is hurt by that crime yes, but what makes it wrong? the MORAL belief our society holds that it is wrong to hurt another person....

For this reason, I believe the idea of enforcing morals upon a society is acceptable, to a certain degree (when you start shooting people because they stole a candy bar, I think you're taking things too far)

IMO it isn't a victimless crime... the victim is society's moral fabric... of course if you don't hold the same moral, of course you won't understand why I would consider it important... but if you want to say, it's all subjective, well... I could name some people who wouldn't see anything morally wrong with killing someone.... does that mean our morals shouldn't be imposed on them?

Ahhh I think I managed to repeat myself several times, it's 3:40 though and I got like no sleep last night either... so... yeah.

Edit: To danarka, society can have a moral fabric, and it has a little bit left I suppose, although most of it is fading. I disapprove of businesses that exploit and cheat and do whatever they can to get ahead, I believe in morality + dignified and honorable behavior above all else... so citing that many things have gone to hell in our society, while I agree, is no real reason for me to change my view.... it just means that many more things that I think should be changed....

If it is immoral, it should not be legal.

But that right there itself is immoral. ;-) But seriously, morality isn't absolute and universal, as it's different from culture to culture, religion to religion, society to society, individual to individual, etc. It's an abstract concept that can't really be clearly defined. If you think it's immoral; don't do it.
Of course, I assume most of those who argue against it do so from a religious perspective, and to that I say "let god enforce god's law, and let man enforce man's law."

To all the people who are FOR it, what about the moral consideration? Do you simply not consider prostitution immoral? If you do, do you think it's not bad enough to justify the loss of economic potential (and satisfying horny guys that just can't get any normally... although to be quite honest, and I'm a teenage guy, I'd rather not have any sex than sex with no emotional meaning...)
Whats with all this assuming prostitutes or female. As far as I am aware there are a good number of male prostitiutes working in Australia, I don't know the law but I think it is pretty open. Not street walkers but agencies etc.
As far as morals go, where do you take the stance from? Do you discount all of the old testiment with it's references to temple prostitutes and figures chosen by God using the services of a prostitiute with the knowledge of God. If you use the bible as your measuring stick then it appears to be ok.
What I can never understand is the attitiude of the US police. You send a woman officers out to entrap someone into coming back to a motel and paying for sex. That man is a real threat to society and the vast cost involved ion ruining his life is a great investment.
I have never needed or wanted the services of a prostitute but undestand that there are a number of men out there that do and have. What causes the greatest risk, letting him viist a prositiute or have him be frustrated for years on end?
So I say control it, leglise it, tax it and invest in the welfare of the sex industry workers. As far as morals go as long as it's off the streets and between consenting adults what business is it of anyone? Or should we all just be sticking to the misionary position because that is the only moral position according to one minority group?

Prostitution is legal in Australia and it's fine. There are no problems that there aren't in countries where it's illegal.

If it is immoral, it should not be legal.

Are you religeous? Cause that ain't how my religeon (christianity) is supposed to work.

Whats with all this assuming prostitutes or female. As far as I am aware there are a good number of male prostitiutes working in Australia, I don't know the law but I think it is pretty open. Not street walkers but agencies etc.
As far as morals go, where do you take the stance from? Do you discount all of the old testiment with it's references to temple prostitutes and figures chosen by God using the services of a prostitiute with the knowledge of God. If you use the bible as your measuring stick then it appears to be ok.
What I can never understand is the attitiude of the US police. You send a woman officers out to entrap someone into coming back to a motel and paying for sex. That man is a real threat to society and the vast cost involved ion ruining his life is a great investment.
I have never needed or wanted the services of a prostitute but undestand that there are a number of men out there that do and have. What causes the greatest risk, letting him viist a prositiute or have him be frustrated for years on end?
So I say control it, leglise it, tax it and invest in the welfare of the sex industry workers. As far as morals go as long as it's off the streets and between consenting adults what business is it of anyone? Or should we all just be sticking to the misionary position because that is the only moral position according to one minority group?


When did I say I assumed prostitutes were all female? The only thing I even mentioned relating to gender was the fact that *I* am a guy, and I only mentioned that because stereotypically, a guy my age would probably love to get whatever sex he could... and I'm saying that morals prevent that (thus demonstrating the importance of morality), I'm assuming you were talking to me seeing as you quoted what I said...

By the way, what's with everyone assuming that because someone opposes prostitution on moral grounds that they must be Christian? I despise one of the core aspects of what Christianity stands for, and I am definitely no Christian. Many of my morals are morals that stereotypical Christians would also share, but that doesn't mean I am Christian....

:fluffle: the brothels will have to pay a hefty tax to the government to stay open. this tax will be used to sterilise the prostitutes so that thay cant bread and therefor they can work all the time.

also government trained "companions" will be given the job of servising the more wealthy and higer born of our nation. :) these prostitutes will be looked after by teh state so they are healthy and safe.

:fluffle: the brothels will have to pay a hefty tax to the government to stay open. this tax will be used to sterilise the prostitutes so that thay cant bread and therefor they can work all the time.

also government trained "companions" will be given the job of servising the more wealthy and higer born of our nation. :) these prostitutes will be looked after by teh state so they are healthy and safe.

Yay for sex slaves! I'll take 2 please :fluffle:

Oh everyone, I'd like to thank you all for keeping this civil :) Rather than having it turn into a flamefest like most topics on here do.

When did I say I assumed prostitutes were all female? The only thing I even mentioned relating to gender was the fact that *I* am a guy, and I only mentioned that because stereotypically, a guy my age would probably love to get whatever sex he could... and I'm saying that morals prevent that (thus demonstrating the importance of morality), I'm assuming you were talking to me seeing as you quoted what I said...

By the way, what's with everyone assuming that because someone opposes prostitution on moral grounds that they must be Christian? I despise one of the core aspects of what Christianity stands for, and I am definitely no Christian. Many of my morals are morals that stereotypical Christians would also share, but that doesn't mean I am Christian....
Sorry I was not saying you Specifically were assuming prostitutes were female it was just the general impression of the thread.
As for the bible thing, all I was trying to establish was where you base you moral standards. If they are based on not doing harm to others rather than any religious back ground then why deprive some one of possibly the only way they have of making a living based of your moral standing?
As some one has pointed out above prostitution is legal in Australia and they do not have a society that is morally corrupt of crumbling. It is illegal in some of the far eastern countries yet exploitation of children in the sex industry is rife, this is more a question of the society overall rather than one small issue of morals. Could it just be that the Australians are more realistic, grown up and pragmatic about the topic. The rest of us find it a bit distasteful so do not address the issue properly?
I agree that we should have some moral standards, but if a young man or woman can get drunk and have sex with a stranger, why is that so much better than two reasoning adult agreeing to have sex and one of those adults being paid to participate?

The only two people who prostitution could hurt, the prostitute and the customer, both know the risks. Sure, prostitution is immoral, but it's an immorality that really doesn't affect those moral enough not to participate in it. And though I consider it immoral, my morals are not universal. Not everyone shares one set of morals.

Firing thousands of workers and then moving to china and using sweatshop labor in order to stuff one's pockets with more millions is also immoral, and more harmful to society, as it creates poverty.

And as someone said earlier, prostitution is a product of poverty.

Closing mental hospitals and sending their patients out into the streets to fend for themselves (which they usually aren't capable of, which is why they were in the mental hospital) is also immoral, and also harms more people than prostitution.

Is it not also immoral to support totalitarian regimes in other countries that murder thousands of innocent people?

Prostitution will exist as long as there are people whose only asset is their body. Even in such moralistic countries as Saudi Arabia and Iran, there is prostitution. Why? Because there is poverty. Believe me, just about no one becomes a prostitute if they can find another means of support.

At the end of the day, people will do it anyway, no matter how illigal it is. So we may as well leaglise it and try to regulate and make it safer.

If you really think about it, the idea that hurting another person is wrong, IS a moral. Everything that is "right" and "wrong" is a moral... so in saying that we have no right to ask others to do not do something based on our morals is also saying that we have no right to tell another not to commit murder.... Someone is hurt by that crime yes, but what makes it wrong? the MORAL belief our society holds that it is wrong to hurt another person....

For this reason, I believe the idea of enforcing morals upon a society is acceptable, to a certain degree (when you start shooting people because they stole a candy bar, I think you're taking things too far)

IMO it isn't a victimless crime... the victim is society's moral fabric... of course if you don't hold the same moral, of course you won't understand why I would consider it important... but if you want to say, it's all subjective, well... I could name some people who wouldn't see anything morally wrong with killing someone.... does that mean our morals shouldn't be imposed on them?

Killing causes physical bodily harm. Heck, it causes life itself to cease. You speak of how prostitution harms the "moral fabric", but what is really being harmed? The moral fabric is an idea, not a physical element.

For this logic to work, I'd have to ask you to prove that the moral fabric is harmed by prostitution, and more importantly, what tangible harm this theoretical fabric being damaged has to any human being.

The fact is, prostitution (sometimes) hurts those who choose to become involved with it. The same as smoking, drinking, eating unhealthy foods, and lots of other generally chancy behaviour. However these people are choosing to harm themselves.

What needs to be shown to ban prostitution is that it actually causes tangible harm to unwilling participants. The moral fabric is an idea, and therefore doesn't count in of itself.

Another point of interest is this:
It is illegal in many countries for person A to pay person B for sex yet in that same country it is not illegal for Person A to pay person B and C to have sex and film it. What does more harm to the moral fabric of society?

Well I don't base my moral standards off an outside source... well obviously they were probably influenced by various things, but mostly it is simply the fact that I FEEL it is right, the same way many of you FEEL that it is wrong to hurt another person (it is not really possible to have concrete evidence of showing what's right and wrong, morally speaking).

About Australia, it is a good thing to have a mature approach towards the topic, screaming that it's icky and gross isn't going to accomplish anything, but I think if you look at the the topic of prostitution in a mature light (my friend's mother was a prostitute.... and I know a few girls who, while they aren't exactly prostitutes in the sense that they have sex with strangers for money, they have done sexual things, if not actually having sex with people they know for money...), society would be a more moral place without it than with, although you are right that mature is better than immature....

About a random young man or woman getting drunk and having sex with some stranger, it ISN'T okay... it isn't any better than prostitution... I also think that should be illegal... although I admit it'd be MUCH harder to enforce... quite near impossible actually. This reminds me of that law in Singapore (I think? could be somewhere else.... correct me if it is) where you can be given like 20 years in prison for receiving a blowjob.... I really don't see how they'd enforce that (not saying that I think that law is a good one... I don't see anything wrong with oral if it's between a man and his wife... or if not his wife at least someone who will one day be his wife...)

Edit: To kirtondom... I'd agree in the sense that it makes no sense for one to be legal and the other to be illegal... I do not approve of the porn industry... I don't hold anything against those who watch it, although I refrain from doing so myself, but rather against the participants and those who produce it. In prostitution, I would hold both the "customer" and the prostitute at fault...

And let us not forget that Jesus Christ's main squeeze, Mary Magdalene, was a prostitute, right?

And let us not forget that Jesus Christ's main squeeze, Mary Magdalene, was a prostitute, right?

Jesus never justified her prostitution. Just because He was willing to look past her profession didn't make what she did right.

Well I don't base my moral standards off an outside source... well obviously they were probably influenced by various things, but mostly it is simply the fact that I FEEL it is right, the same way many of you FEEL that it is wrong to hurt another person (it is not really possible to have concrete evidence of showing what's right and wrong, morally speaking).

About Australia, it is a good thing to have a mature approach towards the topic, screaming that it's icky and gross isn't going to accomplish anything, but I think if you look at the the topic of prostitution in a mature light (my friend's mother was a prostitute.... and I know a few girls who, while they aren't exactly prostitutes in the sense that they have sex with strangers for money, they have done sexual things, if not actually having sex with people they know for money...), society would be a more moral place without it than with, although you are right that mature is better than immature....

About a random young man or woman getting drunk and having sex with some stranger, it ISN'T okay... it isn't any better than prostitution... I also think that should be illegal... although I admit it'd be MUCH harder to enforce... quite near impossible actually. This reminds me of that law in Singapore (I think? could be somewhere else.... correct me if it is) where you can be given like 20 years in prison for receiving a blowjob.... I really don't see how they'd enforce that (not saying that I think that law is a good one... I don't see anything wrong with oral if it's between a man and his wife... or if not his wife at least someone who will one day be his wife...)

Edit: To kirtondom... I'd agree in the sense that it makes no sense for one to be legal and the other to be illegal... I do not approve of the porn industry... I don't hold anything against those who watch it, although I refrain from doing so myself, but rather against the participants and those who produce it. In prostitution, I would hold both the "customer" and the prostitute at fault...
Well I can understand where you are coming from. I think even from you stand point it may be better to accept the better of two evils. To have prostitution legalised and controlled may be less harmful to society as a whole than allowing it to exist in an underground world. So from your pint of view to have none of it may be the ideal but to have it controlled may be the best of a bad lot.
If you respond and I don’t reply it’s because I have nipped off to get on with my workJ

i'm all for it, regulated of course...it would take them off street corners, ensure thier own health along with thier clients, give the police more time to catch real criminals, be profitable even, help prevent rape?..and if pornography is mostly legal, why should prostitution not be?....as for immorality: there are far worse things happening in this world.....and as for religion: didn't jesus view the sins of the flesh as less sinful than others?...seem to remember a certain friend of his was a prostitute (alledgedly) :)

If it comes down to a choice between regulated prostitution and unregulated underground criminal prostitution, yeah I would choose regulated.

Of course, what I want is things done to ensure that prostitution would be illegal and would happen very very rarely illegally....

Now, of course there are the obvious steps that can be taken towards this end, a more effective one that would cover the whole society would take a while to implement....

Things that can be done now could include things like increased education programs (although these aren't amazingly effective, they do help), increased penalties for it, government programs that would take care of children when their mothers are unable to support them (not a welfare program mind you, it'd be taking care of the child, not the mother, the child deserves the opportunity to lead a good life, the mother probably just went and blew it, no pun intended), and more than I can't think of off the top of my head. I had a list written out at one point, no idea where it went though... but I'm sure others would be able to think of other effective ways to reduce it...

Reducing the high amounts of sexuality in everyday media would help too...

By the way, I'm probably going to bed now... I'm not really sleepy but it's 4:30 in the morning, so I figure I should. If I don't reply for a while, that's why. If I do, it probably means I couldn't sleep or something and came back :)

A main argument against prostitution in Finland at the moment are the forces labor involved with it. At the moment most prostitutes are women from Russia or the Baltic countries who come to Finland for a short time and then leave and come back again. It's organised pretty well and I can bet that the women themselves are paid a pittance. This I do object to.

On the other hand, if the state controlled prostitution, I'm pretty certain that the problems of coercion would be greatly decreased, because the women could work here legitimately. At the moment any foreign woman caught of prostitution is pretty much just escorted out of the country.

I also agree that state control would make it safer for both sides of the bargain.

what are you talking about? i think all women should be forced to go through atleast 2 years of prostitution. and diseases wouldnt be that bad if everyone had them, then everyone could have sex whenever and with whoever they wanted, and not have to worry about a thing. sure, you'll live to be like, 30, but think of all the SEX you will get! im all for it.
Prostitution: Legalize it

i cant believe wat this guys saying
ne 1 agree?

I, too, am all for it, under government regulation. The laws banning prostitution in many countries today only serve to make things worse. The prostitutes are driven into hiding and have to rely on sleazy pimps for work. With government control the prostitutes could be guaranteed regular check-ups, security against psychos, etc.

Also, there should legitimate brothels for both men and women. I could think of a lot of guys that would like the idea of lots of sex and getting paid for it!

in a post petrolium, post monetary, post waring states world, of universal and natural abundance, such a concept is meaningless. nor is it the concern of any coordinating body, mythology, culture or the generality of our populas, what anyone does or does not go to bed with, where, when or how often.

with lowered firtility and improved preventative health care promiscuity is honored and reverd as a means of lowering aggressiveness generaly.

the circular logic of chaising little green pieces of paper and putting them ahead of the real effects of real policies on real people, places and things when it dominated the world was itself the ultimate form of prostitution. the economic coersion of the generality of human kind in the so called advanced so called western nations to indenture themselves for a car and a place to live was defacto tantamount to rape.

today we live in a land where nature, tecnology and creativity get along just fine without aggressiveness, austentation and the automobile to mess everything up. we thank our spirit friends, tangable and nontangable alike, our mythmakers and the paradigms of our cultures, and thank and honor as well the roll that sexual generousity has played in making possible that the tyranny of the dominance of aggressiveness, its romantacizing and rewarding, the worship of the automobile and the circular logic of little green pieces of papar are all no more that bad dreams of a distant, never again to be repeated past.

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It's a false impression that the only men who frequent prostitutes are men who can't get some the normal way, so they are nerds or something. A few of my friends have bought the services of prostitutes and they have no trouble getting laid without paying for it. For one dude, he considers it cool and the other just finds it easier sometimes.

A also read in a newspaper a few weeks back about a rich guy who originally thought that prostitutes were for losers only, but found out that he can get better and easier sex by "sponsoring" a student.

in a post petrolium, post monetary, post waring states world, of universal and natural abundance, such a concept is meaningless. nor is it the concern of any coordinating body, mythology, culture or the generality of our populas, what anyone does or does not go to bed with, where, when or how often.

with lowered firtility and improved preventative health care promiscuity is honored and reverd as a means of lowering aggressiveness generaly.

the circular logic of chaising little green pieces of paper and putting them ahead of the real effects of real policies on real people, places and things when it dominated the world was itself the ultimate form of prostitution. the economic coersion of the generality of human kind in the so called advanced so called western nations to indenture themselves for a car and a place to live was defacto tantamount to rape.

today we live in a land where nature, tecnology and creativity get along just fine without aggressiveness, austentation and the automobile to mess everything up. we thank our spirit friends, tangable and nontangable alike, our mythmakers and the paradigms of our cultures, and thank and honor as well the roll that sexual generousity has played in making possible that the tyranny of the dominance of aggressiveness, its romantacizing and rewarding, the worship of the automobile and the circular logic of little green pieces of papar are all no more that bad dreams of a distant, never again to be repeated past.

=^^=
.../\...
nice one :)

Also, there should legitimate brothels for both men and women. I could think of a lot of guys that would like the idea of lots of sex and getting paid for it!
The problem with this is that supply would far outstrip demand. Prices would be low and you'd get end up with the women who do have trouble getting laid the normal way, I'd presume. We men are so much easier, even without any money.

Jesus never justified her prostitution. Just because He was willing to look past her profession didn't make what she did right.Further, his second in command so to speak, Peter, chopped someone's ears off, does this mean I should whip out my sword (I do have one ^.^) and start de-earing people?

The problem with this is that supply would far outstrip demand. Prices would be low and you'd get end up with the women who do have trouble getting laid the normal way, I'd presume. We men are so much easier, even without any money.
why is that then?....doesn't seem to be a problem in amsterdam

And let us not forget that Jesus Christ's main squeeze, Mary Magdalene, was a prostitute, right?Or was she? Many now think that the prostitute thing was a reworking of history to make Jesus seem more chaste when she was actually his wife.

I don't think Jesus would like you calling his wife a whore. :eek:

in a post petrolium, post monetary, post waring states world, of universal and natural abundance, such a concept is meaningless. nor is it the concern of any coordinating body, mythology, culture or the generality of our populas, what anyone does or does not go to bed with, where, when or how often.

with lowered firtility and improved preventative health care promiscuity is honored and reverd as a means of lowering aggressiveness generaly.

the circular logic of chaising little green pieces of paper and putting them ahead of the real effects of real policies on real people, places and things when it dominated the world was itself the ultimate form of prostitution. the economic coersion of the generality of human kind in the so called advanced so called western nations to indenture themselves for a car and a place to live was defacto tantamount to rape.

today we live in a land where nature, tecnology and creativity get along just fine without aggressiveness, austentation and the automobile to mess everything up. we thank our spirit friends, tangable and nontangable alike, our mythmakers and the paradigms of our cultures, and thank and honor as well the roll that sexual generousity has played in making possible that the tyranny of the dominance of aggressiveness, its romantacizing and rewarding, the worship of the automobile and the circular logic of little green pieces of papar are all no more that bad dreams of a distant, never again to be repeated past.

=^^=
.../\...wow.... remind me to read that again when I am awake...

Or was she? Many now think that the prostitute thing was a reworking of history to make Jesus seem more chaste when she was actually his wife.

I don't think Jesus would like you calling his wife a whore. :eek:
or is that what the bible bashers would like us all to believe?, besides, jesus is in hardly any position to argue is he?...and if that was a reworking then whose to say that the whole thing isn't....

Or was she? Many now think that the prostitute thing was a reworking of history to make Jesus seem more chaste when she was actually his wife.

I don't think Jesus would like you calling his wife a whore. :eek:LOL, send me a postcard from Hell, kk? :D

Or was she? Many now think that the prostitute thing was a reworking of history to make Jesus seem more chaste when she was actually his wife.

I don't think Jesus would like you calling his wife a whore. :eek:

Read "The Davinci Code" for more facts on this through the medium of fiction (no, really).

http://www.danbrown.com/novels/davinci_code/reviews.html

Personally I want to find and read The Gospel of Magdeline.

why is that then?....doesn't seem to be a problem in amsterdam
I meant problematic in the sense that it wouldn't pay for lots of men to offer their services. Maybe part-time it would bring in some much needed cash for those who need it. I guess student men would be the obvious group that was in prostitution. Many of them don't have bothersome relationships, they need the cash, they are promiscuous and younger men are probably more attractive to women in general. Win-win it seems.

Are there any male prostitutes here? How much do you make per month? Does your income from prostitution vary a lot?

Read "The Davinci Code" for more facts on this through the medium of fiction (no, really).

http://www.danbrown.com/novels/davinci_code/reviews.html

Personally I want to find and read The Gospel of Magdeline.
looks interesting...i'll pick up a copy

Read "The Davinci Code" for more facts on this through the medium of fiction (no, really).

http://www.danbrown.com/novels/davinci_code/reviews.html

Personally I want to find and read The Gospel of Magdeline.careful though, alot of the facts in there are exaggerated, although it is a good book, there are alot of things that aren't quite as described.

HOWEVER, It's a really good book, as is Angels and Demons, I reccomend both ^.^

LOL, send me a postcard from Hell, kk? :DSend you a postcard? why? You'll probably be sharing the same room. :p

It is too often a form of subjucation for women or used to demean them. [...] I can not in good concence support it. The fact that I have actually known women that have been driven to such desperation is probably the biggest factor in my decision.

How about you get rid of the title "Pimp" then?

I am for regulated prostitution. It will happen anyhow, with controls you get rid of several aspects, mainly health issues, women being forced into it, hot spots creeping up in unwanted areas (near schools, living areas etc.). It puts an end to the whole pimping business, which is the main crime involved with prostitution and brings in tax revenue. Besides prostitution is a main valve for sexual deviants and aggressors, there is a correlation between prostitution and rape within relationships/marriage. The better the availabilty of whores the less rape.

looks interesting...i'll pick up a copy

Of course now when the book reveals that Magdeline was Jesus's wife you wont be nearly as surprised as you're supposed to be.

Send you a postcard? why? You'll probably be sharing the same room. :pProbably, but I like postcards, so please send me one :p

My 2 cents:

Legalized, government-controlled prostitution. There are already 'escort services' all over the world, and often times you can get a little extra for a lot more money. Legitimise this business, and you start to rid yourself of the problem. Th eless taboo something is, the less likely its going to cost a lot to do.

This is the same reason I believe in the decriminalization of marijuana. Focus on the dealers, the pimps, the importers, and let the druggies, johns and prostitiutes do their thing.


About a random young man or woman getting drunk and having sex with some stranger, it ISN'T okay... it isn't any better than prostitution... I also think that should be illegal...

Whats wrong with this? Explain to me whats wrong with what 2 consenting persons do behind closed doors? Why would I want the authorities knocking the door down while I'm having sex with someone? The government has no place in my bedroom. Neither does God. If he wants to watch me gettin' it on, so be it.

what are you talking about? i think all women should be forced to go through atleast 2 years of prostitution. and diseases wouldnt be that bad if everyone had them, then everyone could have sex whenever and with whoever they wanted, and not have to worry about a thing. sure, you'll live to be like, 30, but think of all the SEX you will get! im all for it.
Prostitution: Legalize it

ok diseases like chymidia and gonorrhoea are asymptomatic (they cause no apparent illness whilst making you sterile) so by your logic the human race would be all but wiped out within a generation

Further, his second in command so to speak, Peter, chopped someone's ears off, does this mean I should whip out my sword (I do have one ^.^) and start de-earing people?

No, you should do as Jesus did.

Jesus looked past the (supposed) prostitute's profession. He didn't sell his own body.
Jesus Forgave Peter and put the guy's ear back on, he didna start choppin.

incidently I have a sword too, swords are coool :D

Well in black and white moral grounds it should be ilegal. In all actuality if it was legal you can firstly tax it then look after the welfare of the girls participating.
-No under age prostitutes
-No drug users
-Guarentee safe sex
-Also it takes it off the streets and therefore removes all the safty and community issues that affect residents and prostitutes aike.

Since its gonna happen whether you like it or not its better if it was controled

No, you should do as Jesus did.

Jesus looked past the (supposed) prostitute's profession. He didn't sell his own body.
Jesus Forgave Peter and put the guy's ear back on, he didna start choppin.

incidently I have a sword too, swords are coool :DFor the record, I agree, I was making a point. Sarcasm can work well toward that end. And yes they are, very cool! Shiny too ^.^

For the record, I agree, I was making a point. Sarcasm can work well toward that end. And yes they are, very cool! Shiny too ^.^

I know, but telling you to try and put the ear back on somehow seemed funny at the time... in hindsight I clearly have no sense of humour.

How about you get rid of the title "Pimp" then?

I am for regulated prostitution. It will happen anyhow, with controls you get rid of several aspects, mainly health issues, women being forced into it, hot spots creeping up in unwanted areas (near schools, living areas etc.). It puts an end to the whole pimping business, which is the main crime involved with prostitution and brings in tax revenue. Besides prostitution is a main valve for sexual deviants and aggressors, there is a correlation between prostitution and rape within relationships/marriage. The better the availabilty of whores the less rape. :rolleyes: While a pimp is the classic explotation symbol of prostitution, it is not by any stretch the only means of explotation. You are obviously Male. Your solution is just beurocratic explotation. Try to think as a woman and ask yourself if that is a life you would truly choose for yourself. I have known some who have excepted such a life but none who have choosen it (at least not after the reality and despair of it sinks in). If someone you loved was involved, you'd probably sing a different tune.

If someone lacks the selfrespect not to sell their body, and lacks the motivation to get a real job, they are worthless in my opinion. This goes for prostitues, drug whores, shallow bitches who sleep with anyone with a pretty face, etc etc. If only murder were legal. I cant stand sluts, never could, never will. They spread disease, jack up the population rate, hurt people who dont deserve it with their shallow useless ways, and are basically a waste of perfectly good resources. Not only should it not be legal, but it should carry the death sentence. Good thing I dont really run a country.

If someone lacks the selfrespect not to sell their body, and lacks the motivation to get a real job, they are worthless in my opinion. This goes for prostitues, drug whores, shallow bitches who sleep with anyone with a pretty face, etc etc. If only murder were legal. I cant stand sluts, never could, never will. They spread disease, jack up the population rate, hurt people who dont deserve it with their shallow useless ways, and are basically a waste of perfectly good resources. Not only should it not be legal, but it should carry the death sentence. Good thing I dont really run a country.
bit harsh...

If someone lacks the selfrespect not to sell their body, and lacks the motivation to get a real job, they are worthless in my opinion. This goes for prostitues, drug whores, shallow bitches who sleep with anyone with a pretty face, etc etc. If only murder were legal. I cant stand sluts, never could, never will. They spread disease, jack up the population rate, hurt people who dont deserve it with their shallow useless ways, and are basically a waste of perfectly good resources. Not only should it not be legal, but it should carry the death sentence. Good thing I dont really run a country.

I say we pass a law that authorises us to kill all self-righteous jerks who think they're better than someone (even if that someone is a whore).

All in favor?

For, with government control on health and such.

Yeah, I live next to Amsterdam, I've been to the red light district a couple of times. Not to get laid, but to get weed :) Once, a friend of mine went to see a prostitute, and afterwards he told me that they had condoms and stuff, so that it wás safe. Dunno whether this is the case in all sexhouses, dunno whether there's government control, but hey. It's their body. If they want to get HIV, if they want to get chlamydia, who am I to stop them? Legalize it or not, it will happen anyway.

aye :)....and if some tasty bird offered me money in return for a good session, i would find it hard to refuse

if and when it is legalised, and they are taxed for thier work, wouldn't that make the government one giant pimp?

if and when it is legalised, and they are taxed for thier work, wouldn't that make the government one giant pimp?

Big Brother is not only watching, but pimpin too.

For the most part prostitution is a product of poverty, drug addiction, mental illness, homelessness, etc. No self-respecting woman would go into prostitution simply for no reason. If people are getting convinced that prostitution is a worthwhile business platform for women then we are in more trouble then I thought.

For the most part prostitution is a product of poverty, drug addiction, mental illness, homelessness, etc. No self-respecting woman would go into prostitution simply for no reason. If people are getting convinced that prostitution is a worthwhile business platform for women then we are in more trouble then I thought.

What if She (or He - you sexist pig) really likes sex? They say if you enjoy your job you'll never work a day in your life.

For the most part prostitution is a product of poverty, drug addiction, mental illness, homelessness, etc. No self-respecting woman would go into prostitution simply for no reason. If people are getting convinced that prostitution is a worthwhile business platform for women then we are in more trouble then I thought.
i know women who do it for fun....and money, it can be very lucrative if you want it to be...

What if She (or He - you sexist pig) really likes sex? They say if you enjoy your job you'll never work a day in your life.Nice try at rationalizing it but in reality if you really like sex you pick a desirable partner and just have sex with them alot. Prostitution means having sex with someone who pays you whether you find them desirable or not. (and lets face it, alot of who you end up as customers are seeking your sevices because desirability is not something that oozes from them)

Well, let's see... Sex is legal, making money is legal... Yet if you make money having sex, that's ILLEGAL! Any logic here? No, I didn't think so...

You can't stop people from having sex. Since you can't stop that, you are really barking if you think you can stop people from exchanging money! Why have laws that are so useless? :rolleyes:

If someone lacks the selfrespect not to sell their body, and lacks the motivation to get a real job, they are worthless in my opinion. This goes for prostitues, drug whores, shallow bitches who sleep with anyone with a pretty face, etc etc. If only murder were legal. I cant stand sluts, never could, never will. They spread disease, jack up the population rate, hurt people who dont deserve it with their shallow useless ways, and are basically a waste of perfectly good resources. Not only should it not be legal, but it should carry the death sentence. Good thing I dont really run a country.

I've not been on these forums for very long but a worrying number of people seem to think that if you don't have a standard, respectable job then it's entirely your own fault through lack of effort...

I don't personally know any prostitutes, but proper government control would mean that nobody is forced to do anything against their wishes. Cleaning septic tanks sucks big time (imagine telling someone on a first date what you do, while the date keeps sniffing the air like something smells funny), but some people are still willing to do it.

If someone is "forced" into it, because she is so poor, then what are the alternatives? At least most European countries have a welfare system that people can live on. At least government control would ensure its safe for everyone, especially the prostitutes.

I say we pass a law that authorises us to kill all self-righteous jerks who think they're better than someone (even if that someone is a whore).

All in favor?

AYE! :sniper:

Think that making it illegal to sell something you can legally give away for free is just illogical.

Nice try at rationalizing it but in reality if you really like sex you pick a desirable partner and just have sex with them alot. Prostitution means having sex with someone who pays you whether you find them desirable or not. (and lets face it, alot of who you end up as customers are seeking your sevices because desirability is not something that oozes from them)
Explain married men, who use prostitutes.

Ok, this has nothing to do with your post, and I agree that most prostitutes aren't nymphomaniacs. But I bet many of the people who end up as prostitutes would at least be indifferent about it.

By the way, it doesn't help the prostitution debate at all if the men are all labelled as losers who can't get laid otherwise.

Legalise and regulate.

No one should be the hostage of conservatives or moralists.

You can't stop people from having sex. Since you can't stop that, you are really barking if you think you can stop people from exchanging money! Why have laws that are so useless?
You can't stop people from killing each other with laws against murder either, but still it makes sense.

At least you can affect the demand and supply with laws.

Legalise and regulate.

No one should be the hostage of conservatives or moralists.


What?

First off, I think it should be legalised. taxed, etc as has already been dicussed. Although i must admit if i ever had children, i would not want this to be the choice of profesions.
Also could you imagine seeing them one strike! Going down the street with plaques reading "No monetary relief? No oral relief!" etc...

I've seen alot of guys go out, go for any women they think is easy, spend a fortune on drinks, chat with the women for hours on end. Just for shag at the end of the night. They might as well go to a prostitute and save on time!

Also maybe if most people were not so anal about sex (only slight pun intended) there would be less of a need for prostitutes. Just look at how so many people say, "oh no sex before marriage" or "only when your really really inlove". COME ON!!! its sex. Yes you should be with someone that makes you happy, etc. BUT SEX IS FOR FUN.
P.S. never been to a prozy, and never will. My choice, but i will not judge others on such things

I am for leagalised prositution, with necesarry health checks and saftey precuations being offered.

there are already brothels functioning in such a manner, and I see nothing wrong with this.
it takes out the seediness and danger from a female walking the streets for a start.

whether prostitution degrades the woman (like the argument about the porn industry degrading women), is down to her own personal conduct.

go to any student night at a club and watch just how many guys and girls are there paying for each others drinks with one goal in mind: sex.
tho there is no direct exchange of cash for sexual favours there, it is only one step away from prostitution.
lol, and how many times in the history of one night stands has it happened that money has been left inadvertantly the morning after? I've done it myslef, and have had it happen to me... does that make me, or the guy I left cash with, a prostitute??

and one question, a little of topic, why is sex so hushed up? why, in the day to day living of the 'civilised' world, do we consider sex to be such a bad thing?

lol, and how many times in the history of one night stands has it happened that money has been left inadvertantly the morning after? I've done it myslef, and have had it happen to me... does that make me, or the guy I left cash with, a prostitute??


How do you inadvertently leave money?

p.s. you are indeed a skanky hoe :P

How do you inadvertently leave money?

p.s. you are indeed a skanky hoe :P

you know, when you empty your pockets before going to bed, and then not picking it up again in the morning.

p.s. my one night stand days are over, but at the time I'd have prefered the term 'slut'... :fluffle:

:rolleyes: While a pimp is the classic explotation symbol of prostitution, it is not by any stretch the only means of explotation. You are obviously Male. Your solution is just beurocratic explotation. Try to think as a woman and ask yourself if that is a life you would truly choose for yourself. I have known some who have excepted such a life but none who have choosen it (at least not after the reality and despair of it sinks in). If someone you loved was involved, you'd probably sing a different tune.

I never try to think as a woman, i dont even try to think as another man. My mind works very well, thank you. I can, however try to be empathic.
Nonetheless i dont see what kind of bureaucratic exploitation you are speaking of. If prostitution is a legal business that touches on health issues, it should be dealt with like any other enterprise. That means taxation and means abiding by health standards. Food producers have them, pharmacies have them etc. And guess what, they dont feel exploited by the government. Because they see the neccessity to taxes and to health standards.
Fyi, in Germany prostitution is legal. Most sex workers are self-employed, which means that they chose this profession for whatever reason they had. It is not my, your or anyones business to condemn them by any moral standards. If it is legal it sure takes off the edge of the worst cases of exploitation, because the amount of criminals involved in the business is dropping to very low levels.
So, please show me why it is exploitation if i want people to chose whatever they like. Prostitution harms no one, its the circumstances that come with the illegality that do.

I'm not a fan of "the world's oldest profession," but having said that, I don't think it's the government's place to dictate morality. I also think it's prohibitively difficult to enforce anti-prostitution laws. Finally, the government could make a mint on taxes or licenses for prostitutes and others involved with the profession, among other things. Condoms could legally be written off as a business expense.

You can't stop people from killing each other with laws against murder either, but still it makes sense.

there are laws forbiding people to commit suicide (no, really), and if you think about it, it makes sense: you'r not allowed to put yourself (or others) in risk...

prostitution in a way is putting your health at risk, so it should be illegal, and taken care of by these means...however, basejumping is fun, and so is sex, so if you bann it people will do it uncontrolled and accidents will occur more often...seems to me there is no right answer to problems like this one.

you know, when you empty your pockets before going to bed, and then not picking it up again in the morning.

p.s. my one night stand days are over, but at the time I'd have prefered the term 'slut'... :fluffle:

Ahh, that makes sense now, thanks slut.
Personally I often leave the stuff in my pockets, since I'll be wearing those clothes again in the morning. Of course, I've never had a one night stand - not like some sluts I could name. :D

*CoughPlayTimeBunniesCough*

hehe. I'm such a shauvenist pig sometimes :p.

I for it if its completely government ran and complusory disease checks weekly.

there are laws forbiding people to commit suicide (no, really), and if you think about it, it makes sense: you'r not allowed to put yourself (or others) in risk...

prostitution in a way is putting your health at risk, so it should be illegal, and taken care of by these means...however, basejumping is fun, and so is sex, so if you bann it people will do it uncontrolled and accidents will occur more often...seems to me there is no right answer to problems like this one.
i think there's a very easy solution: prohibit people from actions that endanger others, like base-jumping in metro areas or committing suicide by jumping from a roof onto a crowded street, but allow people absolute freedom to endanger themselves...if you actually think it is right to legislate against people harming themselves then you need to start supporting laws that ban butter, fried foods, and soda, since those three products lead to more American deaths each year than all STDs and drugs combined. people have the absolute right to be stupid, to endanger themselves, and to make bad choices, they simply cannot make bad choices that harm OTHER people.

Im all for it, as long as Goverment controls for disease control are strictly enforced.

thats a HUGE taxable income market that is not being tapped.


We can barely control it at all right now. Now that you want it taxed, nobody will do it legit. I agree with your idea that it is a huge taxable income though.

I read the first page, became mildly ill, and decided I would just put my opinion out there and never come back.

Prostitution is completely and totally against any morality what-so-ever. It makes the most holy union between man and woman a product that can be advertised, marked and shipped. If America slips into legalizing it, I will seriously consider moving to Singapore, the only place I know that has morals of any kind anymore. Yes, it's a brutal dictatorship, but at least they still care on some level.

I'm also against it for the massive spread of AIDS, HIV, pregnancies with babies infected with the above and the horrible emotional and physical scars of having to sell the most pure part of themselves to make money. There is no need, and to the perverts who want sex all the time, they need to get a life, for there is a thousand fold more to the world than sex. For those who want to get TAXES of all things, you obviously would rather give in to the pressures of society to continuously fall apart, rather than fight for any morals and decentcy. The Arabs hate us enough for genuine reasons, please don't give them more.

-R. S. of UC

Ok, the above post boils down to: I am right, you are both wrong and totally sick because you dont agree with me and now i am going and shut my eyes to any arguments that may prove my viewpoint as not absolute. And Jesus does not love you anymore, bad people.

Prime example of missing conversation culture, thanks. :rolleyes:

Wow, on 8th page, (original poster here), anyways yeah... I went to bed for like 5 hours, come back and it's 5 pages later....

Anyways, it seems the vast majority of the people on here are for prostitution because they have the attitude of "well it's going to happen anyways"

I'm going to take a quick run-down of the "positive" points of prostitution.

It would provide a good source of revenue for the government -
Yes it would.... so would government controlling the sale of Marajuana, Cocaine, Ecstacy, etc. Should we just legalize those and have the government regulate it? I mean people are going to do them anyways... If we increased the punishments while also creating in our media the message that it is wrong, then over time it would be viewed the same as murder or theft, no one would question that it was wrong... What most of you don't seem to realize is that being opposed to murder and theft is also only a product of your culture, so it is rather worthless to argue that prostitution is only immoral because of my culture....

It's going to happen anyways, so why not legalize it?
I can't even begin to point out what's wrong with this... almost every cime in the book will "happen anyways", so should we just throw out the law book?

It is a victimless crime
As I said, it hurts society's moral fabric... to whoever was saying that morality is worthless because it's not something we can see and touch (not those exact words, but that was the idea given), do you seriously not value anything that isn't physical? If yes, then you very well represent what prostitution would lead to (which I oppose)... a materialistic world where people only care about the people and things they can see and touch. What about honor? What about integrity? What about dignity and pride? Do those have no meaning to you as well? Love even....

Sex is fun!
Errr okay... yes I'm sure it brings alot of physical pleasure (seeing as I refuse to have it until I meet the girl I will marry, I wouldn't personally know), but again, this ties to the above one, the idea that something is okay just because it feels good is a very materialistic one... and I oppose materialism quite strongly. I'm sure it'd be "fun" and feel great for me if I went off and had sex as much as I could too, but I don't, because of moral reasons...

It's between 2 consenting adults, why should the law prohibit it?
We don't allow 2 consenting adults to duel each other? They are both fully aware of the risks involved (i.e. one of them will die, if not both), both are fully consenting... I'm sure they'd probably both even be willing to pay a fee to the government or something, shall we allow that? Where does it end if we allow anything between 2 consenting adults to occur?

Oh, to anyone who didn't read my posts before, please don't give me any crap about oh it's in the bible or anything like I've noticed several people doing.... I'm not Christian, so it has no bearing on me.

Anyways, I agree with right arm of U C, just not so harshly put :P I DO know people (my friend's mother is one of those types that talks to all her daughter's friends and stuff), and those friends of mine who don't exactly do it with strangers, but still... yet I am still openly opposed to it, so I think those of you who say that the only reason people would be opposed to it is because they don't know anyone like that, you are wrong. Have to disagree on the Singapore thing though... I like their moralistic laws, but I still don't think I'd like to live there all too much :P

We don't allow 2 consenting adults to duel each other? They are both fully aware of the risks involved (i.e. one of them will die, if not both), both are fully consenting... I'm sure they'd probably both even be willing to pay a fee to the government or something, shall we allow that?
IMO, YES. If they're willing to go to that length at least the other guy has a chance, as opposed to one of them sneaking into the other guy's house and shooting him or something. I do, however, see your point. It does have to end somewhere

Absolutely legalise it. As George Carlin once said: "Selling is legal. Fucking is legal. Why is selling fucking illegal?"

Prostitution is not different from any other commercial service industry.

As for regulation, most regulations regarding health and business practices already exist.

Health issues, such as spreading STDs, already come under public health statutes, including reckless endangerment and public nusance statutes. Note that most reckless endangerment statutes read something like this:
recklessly engaging in conduct which creates a substantial risk of serious physical injury to another person. IANAL, but engaging in unprotected sex without being regularly tested for STDs fits the definition of reckless endangerment for me. Certain cases may fall under assault, manslaughter, or even murder statutes. And, if I recollect correctly, cases have already gone ahead under those charges.

Issues of forcible prostitution already fall under Involuntary Servitude statutes (http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/crim/1581fin.htm) and similar statutes.

Most locals already have these, so there are few places where much specific regulation would be needed.

It would provide a good source of revenue for the government -
Yes it would.... so would government controlling the sale of Marajuana, Cocaine, Ecstacy, etc. Should we just legalize those and have the government regulate it?

You could have substituted a-bombs and it would not make your point more valid. There are things that are harmfull to society, like wmds and things that arent. Thats why possession of wmds is not allowed while, lets say toys, are. Nobody claims that everything should be legal, legislation puts a stop to things that endager its population.

It's going to happen anyways, so why not legalize it?
I can't even begin to point out what's wrong with this... almost every cime in the book will "happen anyways", so should we just throw out the law book?

It was a crime to say that the earth does revolve around the sun, who threw the good old law book out in which this was written. Laws should only prohibit to protect.

It is a victimless crime
As I said, it hurts society's moral fabric... to whoever was saying that morality is worthless because it's not something we can see and touch (not those exact words, but that was the idea given), do you seriously not value anything that isn't physical? If yes, then you very well represent what prostitution would lead to (which I oppose)... a materialistic world where people only care about the people and things they can see and touch. What about honor? What about integrity? What about dignity and pride? Do those have no meaning to you as well? Love even....

Lets be short. That is your viewpoint on morality. Show me a society that broke down because prostitution existed. Laws, once again, are not there to enforce morality. Honor and dignity are items of personal honor, not the same as "societies moral fabric"

Sex is fun!
Errr okay... yes I'm sure it brings alot of physical pleasure (seeing as I refuse to have it until I meet the girl I will marry, I wouldn't personally know), but again, this ties to the above one, the idea that something is okay just because it feels good is a very materialistic one... and I oppose materialism quite strongly. I'm sure it'd be "fun" and feel great for me if I went off and had sex as much as I could too, but I don't, because of moral reasons...

What does a personal opinion on sex in general have to do with this?


It's between 2 consenting adults, why should the law prohibit it?
We don't allow 2 consenting adults to duel each other? They are both fully aware of the risks involved (i.e. one of them will die, if not both), both are fully consenting... I'm sure they'd probably both even be willing to pay a fee to the government or something, shall we allow that? Where does it end if we allow anything between 2 consenting adults to occur?

Duels remove people from the workforce, thus ultimately hurting society. This is the reason why duels to the death were substituted with "to first blood" during renaissance, a lot of young, educated people were lost to duels. As mentioned above, laws are made to protect either individual victims or society as a whole.

I'm opposed for both moral and public health reasons

And public health obviously suffers more from regulated legal prostitution than from an illegal one without std tests, right?

All outlawing prostitution has done is put prostitutes in jail, when usually all they're trying to do is make money for food, shelter, and probably a kid or two. This just puts takes up time and puts more strain on the prison system, which is already full of non-violent drug offenders.

totally for
I'm sure plenty of people have already listed the reasons why
it's not the government's business to force us to be moral if our actions don't infringe on anyone else's freedom
but thanks for caring!