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There seem to be some conspiracies out there that the picture was fake, the program was faked, and the first moon landing was faked. What do you think?

The landings weren't faked. They're just BS conspiracy theories.

The landings weren't faked. They're just BS conspiracy theories.
Thats what I think.

Once again, No, it was not faked.

I know someone's going to bring up the Van Allen Belt theory, but that has been debunked time and time and time again. We pass through the Van Allen Belt just fine.

Those theories are bullshit. I'd vote for George Bush before I believed the moon landings were fake.

I think www.badastronomy.com has it all patched up nice and tight. There's no planet X, and the moon landings were totally real.

Yep, badastronomy is a great site for the doubters.

I find it funny that peaple still think that. We got shit up there thats still Regastring back to earth!!

there are WAAAAY too many people in the loop on that one for a secret of that magnitude to be kept.

its not exactly an impossible feat in any case

I think www.badastronomy.com has it all patched up nice and tight. There's no planet X, and the moon landings were totally real.

Oh yeah, the Apollo moon landings were real, but the claim that they were the first manned missions to land on non-terrestrial bodies were blatant lies. It was all a cover-up to divert suspicions from the source of high-technology items and manufacturing procedures that had been slowly percolating down into the mass-market and the factory floor as a result of the joint USA-Soviet mission to Mars that established a manned base there in 1962.

The moon landings were real.

joint USA-Soviet mission to Mars that established a manned base there in 1962.
??? What?

Oh yeah, the Apollo moon landings were real, but the claim that they were the first manned missions to land on non-terrestrial bodies were blatant lies. It was all a cover-up to divert suspicions from the source of high-technology items and manufacturing procedures that had been slowly percolating down into the mass-market and the factory floor as a result of the joint USA-Soviet mission to Mars that established a manned base there in 1962.
:confused: I once heard that the Nazi´s had fled to Mars.

:confused: I once heard that the Nazi´s had fled to Mars.
snicker

Once again, No, it was not faked.

I know someone's going to bring up the Van Allen Belt theory, but that has been debunked time and time and time again. We pass through the Van Allen Belt just fine.
Apparently Van Allen himself thinks that the conspiracies involving the Van Allen belt is amusing.

:confused: I once heard that the Nazi´s had fled to Mars.

Nah, that's Antarctica that you're thinking of: they attempted to flee into the inner voids of the planet through the entrances observed by Captain Byrd when he flew over the polar regions in 1929. The plan came to nothing when the Atlantic U-boat fleet that they were depending on for supplies surrendered to the Allies.

Nah, that's Antarctica that you're thinking of: they attempted to flee into the inner voids of the planet through the entrances observed by Captain Byrd when he flew over the polar regions in 1929. The plan came to nothing when the Atlantic U-boat fleet that they were depending on for supplies surrendered to the Allies.
Oh right. Sorry. My mistake.

If the moon landing was real why haven't we gone back?

Conclusive proof of my claims:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_3

If the moon landing was real why haven't we gone back?

Why would we want to?

If the moon landing was real why haven't we gone back?

Because it was all a side-show to distract attention from Archimedes Base on Mars. The public demand for space-exploration as mass-media event was sated, and they have since been satisfied with being drip-fed still pictures from unmanned probes.

Why would we want to?
Why not?

Why haven't we been back since?

Why should we go back? There was no reason to believe there were any resources to plunde...ah...develop that were worth the expense of going back. However an unmanned probe or two have been busy looking for signs of water. That would at least provide for the possibility of a stepping stone to the rest of the solar system.

snicker
i thought they fled to antartica

Why haven't we been back since?

Why should we go back? There was no reason to believe there were any resources to plunde...ah...develop that were worth the expense of going back.

Ah: no oil on the moon then?

Why haven't we been back since?

Why should we go back? There was no reason to believe there were any resources to plunde...ah...develop that were worth the expense of going back. However an unmanned probe or two have been busy looking for signs of water. That would at least provide for the possibility of a stepping stone to the rest of the solar system.

How convenient

Aren't there plenty of minerals to be found in the moondust?

Aren't there plenty of minerals to be found in the moondust?

Minerals, yes, particularly interesting/useful ones, not really:

http://www.neiu.edu/~jmhemzac/images/moonsoil2.jpg

Minerals, yes, particularly interesting/useful ones, not really:

http://www.neiu.edu/~jmhemzac/images/moonsoil2.jpg
Ah thanks. Oxygen isn't particularly usefull?

Ah thanks. Oxygen isn't particularly usefull?

Given the obstacles currently required to be overcome to liberate it in a useful form for human beings there, yes. If it was 42% platinum (for example) I'm sure there would be a much greater drive to solve these problems.

If the moon landing was real why haven't we gone back?
A: Too damned expensive
B: The science guys got most everything they needed from Apollo 11-17
C: Apollo was getting old and crochety. No budget for a replacement
D: Too much gravity for most experiments, not enough for the rest
E: Microgravity proved more useful than 1/6g
F: The political pressure for space travel had eased by 1972
G: Too damned expensive

My teacher's twin brother went to the moon. I've heard him talk about it and I highly doubt that he's a liar.

My teacher's twin brother went to the moon. I've heard him talk about it and I highly doubt that he's a liar.

Interesting. What was the name?

Charlie Duke. His brother was my Sunday School teacher way back in the day (5th grade). I think he was on one of the later missions, but don't quote me on that.

Charlie Duke. His brother was my Sunday School teacher way back in the day (5th grade). I think he was on one of the later missions, but don't quote me on that.
Apollo 16 crew with Charles Duke, LEM pilot (http://www.nasm.si.edu/collections/imagery/apollo/AS16/a16crew.htm)

If the moon landing was real why haven't we gone back?


Ummm ... we've been more than once ...

F: The political pressure for space travel had eased by 1972
G: Too damned expensive Indeed. The space race between the US and the USSR came to an end after the moon landings.

Indeed. The space race between the US and the USSR came to an end after the moon landings.

I don't know about that, the Soviets had a more-or-less continual prescence in space all throughout the 70s and 80s with their orbiting stations. The American side of things petered out until the shuttles were built, but had lost a lot of steam...so NASA got more involved with unmanned missions instead.

I'm rambling...

the race to the moon was more of a " i did it before your punk ass did!" to russia more then anything. It was highly politically motivated by JFK at a time when we needed to feel better then russia at something, considering they beat us into space. So of course we prolly see no need to go back.
But look at how bush made a big deal about mars! see another politically motivated thing to distract us from the real issues at hand. Mars is cool, i agree, but we dont need to go there yet, we can wait until its easier, and safer.
If you take a telescope, you could prolly see all the stuff we left on the moon.

If you take a telescope, you could prolly see all the stuff we left on the moon.[/QUOTE]
can anyone provide me with a recent photograph of the landing site, coz me scope's not powerful enough :)

No

no, i dont think the moon landing was faked, but, considering the number of lies, conspiracies, and straightjackets on our minds and freedoms in this world, If it were proved tomorrow that it was faked, i wouldnt be surprised even for one second.

There is NO DOUBT that those landings were faked, and there are so many proofs that they were faked that nobody who has all of his / her wits can believe they were for real. Geez, you guys make me change my opinion... I liked the post about the oil though, can't remember who wrote that sorry congrats man.

NO MAN HAS SET FOOT ON THE MOON, except for Andy Kaufman.

I believe that it was faked.

No
why?, if the evidence is there why can't we see it on the surface?

You wouldn't need to go back, why would you? All it would do is cost you a few billion dollars and you wouldn't get anything done there, except make a few astronauts happy.

If the Apollo 11 landing was faked it would be the biggest fraud of all time thus the conspiracy theories.

If the eyes see and the ears hear.. the mind believes!

But I like a bit of controversy so keep going, this is fun.

if the moon landings were real, how did that german plane get up there before them ?

answer that believers

You're telling me that the USA managed to make a flight to the moon when they didn't even have the technology to build a safe car?

Well, I must believe it because you said so. ;)

You're telling me that the USA managed to make a flight to the moon when they didn't even have the technology to build a safe car?

Well, I must believe it because you said so. ;)

Well if the moon was afake, dont you think every scientist who does have a scope powerful enough to see, would have said something?
Dont you think everyone in nasa (control center, etc...) would know that they either, didnt do the moon mission, or b. completely faked it the entire time?
I think if this was a fraud, we wouldv found out LONG ago, prolly by the russians, since they were the ones who hated us the most at the time.

You can call me Dr. Refused Party Program. Head of Physics.

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Originally Posted by Dalradia
No

why?, if the evidence is there why can't we see it on the surface?

We can't see the equipment left on the moon from Earth because it is all to small. No telescope in existence has the resolution necessary to make that stuff out from the surface of Earth.

If you were in Lunar orbit with a telescope, you could see the equipment left behind.

found lots of photos, but no close up recent ones...thought this was interesting though http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm, has anyone here read it?

We can't see the equipment left on the moon from Earth because it is all to small. No telescope in existence has the resolution necessary to make that stuff out from the surface of Earth.

If you were in Lunar orbit with a telescope, you could see the equioment left behind.
i assume hubble can't do close-ups

Correct, the Hubble is for deep space viewing. It's actually to
close to the moon to see the equipment.

maybe they ought to think about building a scope here on earth which can take extreme close ups of the moons surface, then shut everyone up with a photo of the equipement left behind, or would that expose something else?

The moon landings were real . . . the last wave of major conspiracy waved up in like 2000-2001, but it was all debunked fast

The moon landing was debunked in 1975 and then again in 1999. How did those astronauts manage to sleep without bunks?

The moon landing was debunked in 1975 and then again in 1999. How did those astronauts manage to sleep without bunks?

I fall asleep in my chair (at school during my boring as heck science class) all the time - astronauts can surely do the same

We're talking about Americans here...

We're talking about Americans here...
I'm an American . . . .

Well then, I rest my case. Thank you, drive safely.

You're telling me that the USA managed to make a flight to the moon when they didn't even have the technology to build a safe car?

Oh, they had the techonology, to be sure. It's just that GM didn't want to go through with the expense. It took a lot of bitching to get the auto industry to install seatbelts (something relatively simple, compared to an internal combustion engine) in every car they make.

I can't believe you're all falling for it. Everyone knows that the Moon Landings were faked by Lego. If you look carefully at the original footage Neil Armstrong's actually yellow and the rocket ships obviously on elastic.

Hi guys,

This one is really simple.

We have telescopes on earth that can see into some of the distant reaches of the galaxy, and even our universe. It's not just the USA that have these telescopes, several other countries (including those that might like to embarass America) have these telescopes. With me so far?

Ok so they move them a little bit, now there looking at the moon and....oh lookie! There is the original moon lander! and the flag the americans left there!

So unless someone wants to start saying that an un-manned mission put these objects there.....actually, that's not a bad conspiracy theory!

<suddenly starts thinking about this> :eek:

AJ.

Contary to popular belief, I was the first man to land on the moon. Althoug, back then, I was a woman. Long story... To put it simply... Those tabasco slim jims are a lot hotter on the way out than on the way in.

Hi guys,

This one is really simple.

We have telescopes on earth that can see into some of the distant reaches of the galaxy, and even our universe. It's not just the USA that have these telescopes, several other countries (including those that might like to embarass America) have these telescopes. With me so far?

Ok so they move them a little bit, now there looking at the moon and....oh lookie! There is the original moon lander! and the flag the americans left there!

So unless someone wants to start saying that an un-manned mission put these objects there.....actually, that's not a bad conspiracy theory!

<suddenly starts thinking about this> :eek:

AJ.

i've asked about that, where's the footage please, so i can see for myself

Hi guys,

This one is really simple.

We have telescopes on earth that can see into some of the distant reaches of the galaxy, and even our universe. It's not just the USA that have these telescopes, several other countries (including those that might like to embarass America) have these telescopes. With me so far?

Ok so they move them a little bit, now there looking at the moon and....oh lookie! There is the original moon lander! and the flag the americans left there!

So unless someone wants to start saying that an un-manned mission put these objects there.....actually, that's not a bad conspiracy theory!

<suddenly starts thinking about this> :eek:

AJ.


Can't be done. Can't get enough resolution on the moon with those scopes. It'll just be blurry dark patches.

If a lunar probe were to take pictures of the moon landing sites, the equipment would be visible.

Can't be done. Can't get enough resolution on the moon with those scopes. It'll just be blurry dark patches.

If a lunar probe were to take pictures of the moon landing sites, the equipment would be visible.
yup, explains why here, and also a photo from an orbiter showing the landing site....not too convincing though, but at least there is one
http://www.tass-survey.org/richmond/answers/lunar_lander.html#clem

why do you think the landing was faked?
Do you believe we've put objects in space?
do you believe people have gone into space?
Do you believe unmanned crafts have been sent to other parts of the system?

You're telling me that the USA managed to make a flight to the moon when they didn't even have the technology to build a safe car?

Well, I must believe it because you said so. ;)

It was Ralph Nader, yes THAT Ralph Nader that brought about safer cars.

GM made a car in the 1960's called the Corvair. It was a response to the Volkswagon. It was rear engined and air-cooled. The thing was dangerous to drive and caught fire easily. Nader wrote a book about it and other automaker sins called "Unsafe at any speed" and became a consumer advocate.

Due to Naders action, changes in the US auto companies took form and we have much safer cars today because of it.

For a good all around debunking of the "Apollo Moon Hoax" please see the aforementioned BadAstronmy website.

The specific link is this: http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

Even if they could build a telescope that could see the Apollo landing sites then chances are the conspiracy theorists would immediatly start claiming the telescope photos were fake.

If the moon landing was real why haven't we gone back?
But we have. Didn't you watch Wallace and Gromit's big adventure?

what about mass spectrometry, could that detect a 17 ton lump of metal on the moon?

Hi guys,
This one is really simple.
We have telescopes on earth that can see into some of the distant reaches of the galaxy, and even our universe. It's not just the USA that have these telescopes, several other countries (including those that might like to embarass America) have these telescopes. With me so far?
Ok so they move them a little bit, now there looking at the moon and....oh lookie! There is the original moon lander! and the flag the americans left there!
So unless someone wants to start saying that an un-manned mission put these objects there.....actually, that's not a bad conspiracy theory!
<suddenly starts thinking about this> :eek:
AJ.

The problem here is that firstly, most of the ground-based telescopes don't see in visible light, so you wouldn't be able to detect any of the Apollo stuff left on the Moon.
Second, even using Hubble you wouldn't see them. Sure it can detect distant reaches of the universe (13 billion light-years distance) but these are of REALLY BIG objects. Like galaxies or gas clouds light-years in length. Neil's footprint is like less than a size 12.
They also use gravity to act as a lens to take these pictures.
Now if you did point the Hubble at the Moon you need to consider several issues:
1. Demand for using Hubble is huge and ppl have to wait months to get their time - and justify it.
2. It's pretty costly manoevering the Hubble into position - time in which it can't be used - so there has to be very important and well-justified reasons why NASA should do this. Somehow I think proving a handful of simple-minded crackpots wrong ranks highly here. Which is also why they haven't sent a imaging probe to the Moon BTW.
3. Finally even if you did all this, the resolution on Hubble wouldn't show anything. Remember it's designed to detect far-distant objects. So in a sense it's far-sighted. Very far-sigted. At best it could probably detect objects approx. the size of a football field if pointed at the Moon. Unfortunately nothing the Astronauts left up there are that size.

A question about this, and all other, "conspiracy theories":

If it's really such a secret conspiracy, how the hell do people know about it?

what about mass spectrometry, could that detect a 17 ton lump of metal on the moon?

I don't think you mean mass spectrometry. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_spectrometer.

There are forms of spectroscopy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectroscopy) that I think you do mean, but we are talking about really minute amounts of metal on a really large celestial body.


BTW, I was going to save most of the arguments by posting a list of common denials by hoaxes and the appropriate counter-refutations, but it looks like a lot of people beat me to some of the points, so I'll refrain from posting that now.

My top reason why it was not a hoax is because the Russians did not cry foul! If anyone would have had the resources to notice a hoax (through radar tracking of the spacecraft and keeping an eye on where radio communications were coming from), the Russians would have. They weren't exactly going to stand by and be complicit in such a hoax and yet they basically did an "Ok, you won, you got to the moon first, but we're still going to live in orbit for months at a time, so {rasberry}!!!"

(Oh, I see someone mad that point as well... Oh well.)

If you believe the moon landings were faked, your a failure and tax dollars were wasted trying to educate you.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

Read it all the way through. Then tell me with a straight face the moon landings were faked.

Thanks.

If you believe the moon landings were faked, your a failure and tax dollars were wasted trying to educate you.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

Read it all the way through. Then tell me with a straight face the moon landings were faked.

Thanks.
have done so, interesting, thanks..that and about two hours of browsing other material has dispelled any doubt i might have had...

Dr RPP has no doubt that Americans landed on the moon. He just finds it difficult to believe that it happened in 1969.

Oh yeah, the Apollo moon landings were real, but the claim that they were the first manned missions to land on non-terrestrial bodies were blatant lies. It was all a cover-up to divert suspicions from the source of high-technology items and manufacturing procedures that had been slowly percolating down into the mass-market and the factory floor as a result of the joint USA-Soviet mission to Mars that established a manned base there in 1962.
Are you posting from that base?

If the moon landing was real why haven't we gone back?
It's expensive, dangerous, and of no real scientific value. Anything humans can do in space macines can do better, cheaper, and safer.

Why haven't we been back since?

Why should we go back? There was no reason to believe there were any resources to plunde...ah...develop that were worth the expense of going back. However an unmanned probe or two have been busy looking for signs of water. That would at least provide for the possibility of a stepping stone to the rest of the solar system.
If the moon were made of pure solid gold it would still be economically unfeasible to mine it. The cost of the mining operation would be more than the value of the gold.

There is NO DOUBT that those landings were faked, and there are so many proofs that they were faked that nobody who has all of his / her wits can believe they were for real. Geez, you guys make me change my opinion... I liked the post about the oil though, can't remember who wrote that sorry congrats man.

NO MAN HAS SET FOOT ON THE MOON, except for Andy Kaufman.
What's your evidence for claiming it was faked. Post and you shall be debunked.

What's your evidence for claiming it was faked. Post and you shall be debunked.
Joey P, take a moment to look for satire. Nobody in this entire topic has consistently maintained that the moon landings were faked. You're encouraging the trolls and falling for the satirists.

what about mass spectrometry, could that detect a 17 ton lump of metal on the moon?
That was a mining unit left by the prox men after we defeated them in the second lunar war of 1979

Joey P, take a moment to look for satire. Nobody in this entire topic has consistently maintained that the moon landings were faked. You're encouraging the trolls and falling for the satirists.
sorry. it's sometimes hard to recognize sarcasm in text form.

There seem to be some conspiracies out there that the picture was fake, the program was faked, and the first moon landing was faked. What do you think?

They were fake.
They really landed on Mars and used a grey filter to make it look like the moon.
That's because they found that the moon was made of cheese and is the primary supply source for various cheese factories owned by high ranking Masons and used to fund a secret war against anyone who will threaten the position of capitalism.

sorry. it's sometimes hard to recognize sarcasm in text form.

Oh, I'm so sorry.

That's easier to understand.
:D

Yes...it was faked. So was the finding of the Titanic. So was the breaking of the sound barrier and so was the atomic bomb. All of these things were faked in an attempt to get Bush reelected. ;)

Finally! Something I can believe!

Yes...it was faked. So was the finding of the Titanic. So was the breaking of the sound barrier and so was the atomic bomb. All of these things were faked in an attempt to get Bush reelected. ;)
no, the bush election was faked.