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I don't know about anyone else but im tired of protestors. But before I begin my rant I want to say that I am not some pig headed conservative. I'm just tired of protestors. What relevence do they have anymore? None of there points never seem to get heared anymore. Like animal rights? Who cares how some irelevent cow lives before I eat it? Or war protestors, the war has already started, can't you write letters instead of blocking traffic? And just because of that one thing I have to ask, Can I just run them over if they get in my way? Whose gonna miss them? Their parents, whoom im sure they live with, or ahhh... Im pretty sure most of these ppl don't have jobs so.... I think thats about it.

Also, protestors never seem to know what there protesting any more. Or be knowledgeable about the subject they're protesting. They never seem to think.

So deep down, can I just run them over and call it a day?

No.

I'm getting a great mental image...*thinks*...hahahahahahaha!

People protest to try and change something, and if they can't, they do it to prove a point.

What's more effective:

1,000 people writing letters to the White House?

OR

1,000 people marching through the middle of DC during rush hour?

Protests are a good thing. They may be quite inconvenient to many, but that's pretty much the only way that they can be heard. So you cannot disrespect those people who do protest.

Im tired of them. Why can't running them over be legal?

Oh yah ... nothin' worse than that First Amendment ... repeal it immediately!

The reason is because that I can run anybody over and say that they were being a protestor, there is nothing to prove otherwise since America isn't a big brother state (yet...). But I think organised protestors should be dealt with swiftly and violently by police forces if they are disrupting anything.

Im tired of them. Why can't running them over be legal?

Here's an idea for you: why not stage a protest to demand that running over protestors be legalised?

But I think organised protestors should be dealt with swiftly and violently by police forces if they are disrupting anything.

(emphasis added)

Anything? What, even that which is blatantly illegal?

Here's an idea for you: why not stage a protest to demand that running over protestors be legalised?

I second that motion!

On a more serious note, i totally agree with the first post of this thread about them living with their parents, however, i also respect their rights as individuals to do as they wish (within the law) (and if the law allows us to run em over...GO FOR IT)

I second that motion!

On a more serious note, i totally agree with the first post of this thread about them living with their parents, however, i also respect their rights as individuals to do as they wish (within the law) (and if the law allows us to run em over...GO FOR IT)

...but surely your running over of protestors could be construed as a counter-protest? This would mean that everybody else then has the right to ram/sideswipe/collide with your vehicle... I see a slippery slope.

People protest to try and change something, and if they can't, they do it to prove a point.

What's more effective:

1,000 people writing letters to the White House?

OR

1,000 people marching through the middle of DC during rush hour?

Protests are a good thing. They may be quite inconvenient to many, but that's pretty much the only way that they can be heard. So you cannot disrespect those people who do protest.

I don't mind protesters who are reasonable and respectful of others. In fact, I hold them in higher regard that those left-wing militant wackos. I can and do disrespect those who protest in such a way to inconvenience me! That's really the root problem here. Many protesters will demand a voice and take actions that infringe on others, but the moment you push back, they cry louder.

Don't run them over! Just use pepper spray.

lololol!!!!! hi dUdez im a 1337 n00b ad i thik that pr0test0rz r gay ad dezerve 2 die! roflmao!!!!!!1

P.S.-Yes, I'm being sarcastic. But seriously, screw hippies.








"Save a whale. Kill a hippie"-Me

lololol!!!!! hi dUdez im a 1337 n00b ad i thik that pr0test0rz r gay ad dezerve 2 die! roflmao!!!!!!1

P.S.-Yes, I'm being sarcastic. But seriously, screw hippies.


So, do Gulf War veterans protesting for an enquiry into 'Gulf War Syndrome' also fall into the 'can be run over' category?

Also, protestors never seem to know what there protesting any more.

told you so themselves, did they?

----"So you cannot disrespect those people who do protest."

I agree until they disrespect others, by spitting or blocking traffic. If you think about it, it just makes the people you are trying to get to (middle roaders) more mad at you. I could care less if people protested every issue on earth, everyday. I just don't like it when they think the whole world has to stop to listen to them and thier message. That sounds like forcing an opinion on someone if you ask me.

On a side note I do remember a big protest at a ann coulter event a couple of years ago and a protester spit on someone standing in line and the dude knocked him out cold onto the ground. It was rather wrong in the end because the other protesters (that were being fair) and the people standing in line(also being fair) gave thier stories to the police and the police stopped the protest due to that one dumbass. I don't believe in everyone having to suffer for one persons actions. It could be that one protester or that one gun owner, but it should always fall on the person doing the misdeed, not someone that is using a right legally.

I don't mind protesters who are reasonable and respectful of others. In fact, I hold them in higher regard that those left-wing militant wackos. I can and do disrespect those who protest in such a way to inconvenience me! That's really the root problem here. Many protesters will demand a voice and take actions that infringe on others, but the moment you push back, they cry louder.

Don't run them over! Just use pepper spray.
I coulda sworn it was the right that was more militant.

I don't know about anyone else but im tired of protestors. But before I begin my rant I want to say that I am not some pig headed conservative. I'm just tired of protestors. What relevence do they have anymore? None of there points never seem to get heared anymore. Like animal rights? Who cares how some irelevent cow lives before I eat it? Or war protestors, the war has already started, can't you write letters instead of blocking traffic? And just because of that one thing I have to ask, Can I just run them over if they get in my way? Whose gonna miss them? Their parents, whoom im sure they live with, or ahhh... Im pretty sure most of these ppl don't have jobs so.... I think thats about it.

Also, protestors never seem to know what there protesting any more. Or be knowledgeable about the subject they're protesting. They never seem to think.

So deep down, can I just run them over and call it a day?

You seem to have a lot of complaints about protestors. Mind if I run your lame ass over?

I don't know about anyone else but im tired of protestors. But before I begin my rant I want to say that I am not some pig headed conservative. I'm just tired of protestors. What relevence do they have anymore? None of there points never seem to get heared anymore. Like animal rights? Who cares how some irelevent cow lives before I eat it? Or war protestors, the war has already started, can't you write letters instead of blocking traffic? And just because of that one thing I have to ask, Can I just run them over if they get in my way? Whose gonna miss them? Their parents, whoom im sure they live with, or ahhh... Im pretty sure most of these ppl don't have jobs so.... I think thats about it.

Also, protestors never seem to know what there protesting any more. Or be knowledgeable about the subject they're protesting. They never seem to think.

So deep down, can I just run them over and call it a day?
The people in these pictures knew what they were protesting for, and yet their voices of reason were silenced by the actions of a "Shock and Awe" campaign against the people of Iraq.

http://people.cornellcollege.edu/a-free/feb15content.htm

I am sure they would have loved for YOU to try and run them over.

Yeah some people "never seem to think". Perhaps you are the guilty one?

I don't know about anyone else but im tired of protestors. But before I begin my rant I want to say that I am not some pig headed conservative. I'm just tired of protestors. What relevence do they have anymore? None of there points never seem to get heared anymore. Like animal rights? Who cares how some irelevent cow lives before I eat it? Or war protestors, the war has already started, can't you write letters instead of blocking traffic? And just because of that one thing I have to ask, Can I just run them over if they get in my way? Whose gonna miss them? Their parents, whoom im sure they live with, or ahhh... Im pretty sure most of these ppl don't have jobs so.... I think thats about it.

Also, protestors never seem to know what there protesting any more. Or be knowledgeable about the subject they're protesting. They never seem to think.

So deep down, can I just run them over and call it a day?
So, you're protesting against protesters?

So, you're protesting against protesters?
Well I would like to protest that he is protesting against protesters. :eek:

http://people.cornellcollege.edu/a-free/15protest-nyc-horiz.jpg

Protesters are important!
They are protesting the fact that they are losers who can't get jobs and live in their parents basement.
They are then pointing out that, do to George Bush and Evil White People, they have too much free time on their hands in which to take acid and run around New York naked. Further, without jobs, they have no reason for hygeine or sobreity, resulting in their horrible slogan creation and colonies of nearly sentient bacteria growing on them.

The best way to deal with them would be to dispatch the National Guard, that would sort them out! Why don't we just . . .
Oh yeah, the National Guard has been sent out to Iraq, ah well;)

Protesters are important!
They are protesting the fact that they are losers who can't get jobs and live in their parents basement.
They are then pointing out that, do to George Bush and Evil White People, they have too much free time on their hands in which to take acid and run around New York naked. Further, without jobs, they have no reason for hygeine or sobreity, resulting in their horrible slogan creation and colonies of nearly sentient bacteria growing on them.

The best way to deal with them would be to dispatch the National Guard, that would sort them out! Why don't we just . . .
Oh yeah, the National Guard has been sent out to Iraq, ah well;)
Well, that would have a lot more credibility if I didn't have a sneaky suspicion that you are one of the above-mentioned basement-dwelling kind. Unfortunately for you, people have the freedom to express their views even if they don't agree with yours (which is, I fear, at the root of the problem). Yes, that means they can act stupid, and undoubtedly will at some point, but it is their legal right to do so.
You really discredit yourself by resorting to sweeping statements about the sobriety (ooh vocab word! +50 points for you) and personal habits of protesters. Are you speaking from observation, or just sitting comforably in aforementioned basement, eating your cheet-ohs and shaking your fist at a television?

Well, that would have a lot more credibility if I didn't have a sneaky suspicion that you are one of the above-mentioned basement-dwelling kind. Unfortunately for you, people have the freedom to express their views even if they don't agree with yours (which is, I fear, at the root of the problem). Yes, that means they can act stupid, and undoubtedly will at some point, but it is their legal right to do so.
You really discredit yourself by resorting to sweeping statements about the sobriety (ooh vocab word! +50 points for you) and personal habits of protesters. Are you speaking from observation, or just sitting comforably in aforementioned basement, eating your cheet-ohs and shaking your fist at a television?
I do believe the post by Hajekistan was pure sarcasm?

you can run over anyone you want if you have a car and can get them lined up and under your wheels.

you just have to being willing to deal with the consequences, and the fact that you have just jumped right over the protester rung of social unrest and gone right up to terrorist.

Does no one remember the sixties?

Kent State anyone?

Mr. Thread-Starter, I'm here on behalf of the Committe for Properly Spelled Words for the Welfare of All Net Users to protest your spelling of the word "heard." There's only one 'e' in that, sir.

Does no one remember the sixties?

Kent State anyone?


man didn't we just have a long annoying kent state thread a couple of weeks ago with lots of, "they had it coming" coming from certain quarters.

Well, that would have a lot more credibility if I didn't have a sneaky suspicion that you are one of the above-mentioned basement-dwelling kind. Unfortunately for you, people have the freedom to express their views even if they don't agree with yours (which is, I fear, at the root of the problem). Yes, that means they can act stupid, and undoubtedly will at some point, but it is their legal right to do so.
You really discredit yourself by resorting to sweeping statements about the sobriety (ooh vocab word! +50 points for you) and personal habits of protesters. Are you speaking from observation, or just sitting comforably in aforementioned basement, eating your cheet-ohs and shaking your fist at a television?
They are pretzels, not Cheet-ohs!
Cheet-oohs are a result of the imperialism of Evil White People!
It was one of the brave pretzels who led the Kamikaze Assassin Tyger Stryke on George Bush! They are justified in their actions by Mean American terrorist actions!

Does no one remember the sixties?

Kent State anyone?
I do and it was a shocking piece of US history. :( :(

I do believe the post by Hajekistan was pure sarcasm?
AND WE HAVE A WINNER LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!
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I do and it was a shocking piece of US history. :( :(


Exactly.

Not that we should emulate the sixties, but that we should learn from history, and use it to plan for the future.

The right and ability to protest our government when we disagree is what this country was founded on.

Why has it gone so far from peoples memories?

AND WE HAVE A WINNER LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!
CanuckHeaven, COME ON DOWN!
CanuckHeaven has won a Captain Obvious Tee-shirt!
Captain Obvious Tees, whether announcing that it is raining during a hurricane or calling a Sumo Wrestler fat, you'll always look styilish in a Captain Obvious Tee.

it doesn't always rain in a hurricane, its often clear in the eye and sumo wrestlers are more muscular than you might imagine...

i see your captn obvious and raise you generalismo contrary

Im tired of them. Why can't running them over be legal?

I understand and sympathise with your feeling wowcha, these people enjoy being pains in the arse more than anything else, however your car is a powerful instrument of death, just push them slowly out of the way with your bumperbar, or fender as you would call it, that will do the job, if they push back against you and hit your car with signs, then just acelerate slowly, try to resist the satisfying feeling of joy that would come from just flooring it over them instead, after they have just scratched up the nice new paintjob on your precious car it took you months to save for, and seeing their dumb screeching drugged out heads dissapearing satisfyingly under your bonnet, or hood as you would call it, like a combine harvester mowing down wheat in a field, your car becomes an instant hero to the masses of tired workers behind you who just cant wait to get home after slaving for a living all day, not idlely lazing around in the sun like these protestors on a campus somewhere nodding wisely in a marijuana induced haze at whatever their leftwing hippy America hating professor says.

Your example of running over the protestors, would encourage other cars behind you to do exactly the same thing setting off a chain reaction of death and gore and tire crunching head carnage as cars that miss out on the easy road action leave the streets and hungrily chase hippys and their friends familys through the parks and ram them crunchingly into trees, the city applauds with relief!
Death to the protestors!
We cant stand you anymore!
Die unpatriotic cowardly lazy scum die!

AND WE HAVE A WINNER LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!
CanuckHeaven, COME ON DOWN!
CanuckHeaven has won a Captain Obvious Tee-shirt!
Captain Obvious Tees, whether announcing that it is raining during a hurricane or calling a Sumo Wrestler fat, you'll always look styilish in a Captain Obvious Tee.
I've always wanted a Captain Obvious Tee, ever since before they were invented. ;) red and white please and Large size.

it doesn't always rain in a hurricane, its often clear in the eye and sumo wrestlers are more muscular than you might imagine...

i see your captn obvious and raise you generalismo contrary
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Someone, send up The Obvious Signal!

Oh no, its Thinks About The Joke Too Much Man! Created when Ernst Rohm was crushed under a pile of dictionaries, college text books, joke books, and MAD Magazine, Thinks About The Joke Too Much Man seeks out all humor in order to think all potential humor out of it in a fit of onanism!

Someone, send up The Obvious Signal!
i refuse to accept the title of Thinks About The Joke Too Much Man, because its an awkward construction, and i really think the sin of onan was refusing to fufill his social duty and not masterbation per say...

:sniper: Trust me, the running over of protesters is quite enjoyable on a boring afternoon, but I was wondering if there was any room in that law for "being allowed to hit people who cut in front of you without using their turn signals." Nothing really political behind it, but while we on the subject of road rage, I figured I's throw it out there.



BTW: That killing hippies was a good idea too!! Crawling outta their parents basement with grungy unwashed hair with their sandwich boards on ::mental image:: "Ewwwww!!!!"

I've always wanted a Captain Obvious Tee, ever since before they were invented. ;) red and white please and Large size.
Well, first I'll need your mailing address and Credit Card Numbers (for no particular reason). Unfortunately, they only come in a color known as "Noromdiputs," which exists beyond the spectrum visible to humans, so it will appear to be invisible. Further, the fibers are extremely light weight and thin, so it will appear to you as if you are, in fact, not wearing anything.
However, I guarantee that the shirt is 100% Real as surely as my name is Hajikistan;)

i refuse to accept the title of Thinks About The Joke Too Much Man, because its an awkward construction, and i really think the sin of onan was refusing to fufill his social duty and not masterbation per say...
Help, someone!
Thinks About The Joke Too Much Man has struck again!
I can't hold him off forever, its like trying to keep a ferret in your pants, but with fewer stitches and embarrasing scars later.

Help, someone!
Thinks About The Joke Too Much Man has struck again!
I can't hold him off forever, its like trying to keep a ferret in your pants, but with fewer stitches and embarrasing scars later.
don't be to sure about the quanity of embarassing scars budy, i am ernst rohm that gay S&M nazi and someone is gonna get a caning pretty soon.

Well, first I'll need your mailing address and Credit Card Numbers (for no particular reason). Unfortunately, they only come in a color known as "Noromdiputs," which exists beyond the spectrum visible to humans, so it will appear to be invisible. Further, the fibers are extremely light weight and thin, so it will appear to you as if you are, in fact, not wearing anything.
However, I guarantee that the shirt is 100% Real as surely as my name is Hajikistan;)
Thanks for the laughs tonight, or should I say thanks for nothing.

BTW, will my maxed out credit card do? If so, I will see if I can retrieve it from the bank tomorrow.....

[QUOTE=Frainermany]:sniper: Trust me, the running over of protesters is quite enjoyable on a boring afternoon, but I was wondering if there was any room in that law for "being allowed to hit people who cut in front of you without using their turn signals." Nothing really political behind it, but while we on the subject of road rage, I figured I's throw it out there.

Road rage is the result of pent up anger at the frustration of not being able to do anything about the situation your in, therefore running over the selfish protestors and hippys becomes instead roadjoy, as you are no longer constrained by the social restrictions that these unsuspecting wankers hide behind, you are letting that marvellous limbic primitive centre of your brain, which is necessary for survival, take care of the unneeded and unwarrented stress these selfish sign waving bastards are causing by enforcing their opinion onto you in an unfair way.



BTW: That killing hippies was a good idea too!! Crawling outta their parents basement with grungy unwashed hair with their sandwich boards on ::mental image:: "Ewwwww!!!!"

Hippys are nothing but useless unproductive self centered scum they should be turned into park garden mulch.

Thanks for the laughs tonight, or should I say thanks for nothing.
Funny, thats what most of my girl friends say the next morning!

BTW, will my maxed out credit card do? If so, I will see if I can retrieve it from the bank tomorrow.....
Bad credit, No credit, WE DON'T CARE!
You're always approved at Hajekistan Scams Inc!

don't be to sure about the quanity of embarassing scars budy, i am ernst rohm that gay S&M nazi and someone is gonna get a caning pretty soon.
Hmm . . .
You're offer is . . . intriguing . . .
In the same way that the idea of lowering my genitals into a blender is intriguing.

Bad credit, No credit, WE DON'T CARE!
You're always approved at Hajekistan Scams Inc!

you've actually incorperated your scamming, now that's impressive.

you've actually incorperated your scamming, now that's impressive.
We'll do anything to screw you more!

[QUOTE=Frainermany]:sniper: Trust me, the running over of protesters is quite enjoyable on a boring afternoon, but I was wondering if there was any room in that law for "being allowed to hit people who cut in front of you without using their turn signals." Nothing really political behind it, but while we on the subject of road rage, I figured I's throw it out there.

Road rage is the result of pent up anger at the frustration of not being able to do anything about the situation your in, therefore running over the selfish protestors and hippys becomes instead roadjoy, as you are no longer constrained by the social restrictions that these unsuspecting wankers hide behind, you are letting that marvellous limbic primitive centre of your brain, which is necessary for survival, take care of the unneeded and unwarrented stress these selfish sign waving bastards are causing by enforcing their opinion onto you in an unfair way.



BTW: That killing hippies was a good idea too!! Crawling outta their parents basement with grungy unwashed hair with their sandwich boards on ::mental image:: "Ewwwww!!!!"

Hippys are nothing but useless unproductive self centered scum they should be turned into park garden mulch.
Now you on the other hand, I don't find funny. :eek:

Now you on the other hand, I don't find funny. :eek:
Its not polite to stare.
They can't help being Conservatives.
Its like being Godzilla destroying Tokyo, they just feel the urge and go.

Its not polite to stare.
They can't help being Conservatives.
Its like being Godzilla destroying Tokyo, they just feel the urge and go.
but sometimes in the later movies godzilla actually protected tokyo from the other monsters, like ghidrah or mechagodzilla.

Now you on the other hand, I don't find funny. :eek:

Yeah and I really care what you think is funny.

Yeah and I really care what you think is funny.
The good thing is that I can pray for you.

No One listens to anyone anymore. That's just the way things are nowadays. I know we all think it's a way to get our voices heard and all that sentimental "I matter crap", but in all reality, let's face the music: you arent important. Out of how many billions of people that this Earth has, all of them will stop to listen to you? Seriously, I can't remember any protests or letter writings or petitions EVER having any major effect, mainly because people just don't give a damn. Only those with Money are ever heard. That's why you have to have millions and millions of dollars to run for president. Money Matters. Protests don't. No one actually cares what the common man thinks anymore, and this trend will most likely continue.

but sometimes in the later movies godzilla actually protected tokyo from the other monsters, like ghidrah or mechagodzilla.
And he thrashed the puppies out of Tokyo in the process.
Much like the the Gods of Lankhmar, they would come out to protect the city in times of need, but made alot of havoc in the process to insure that they wouldn't be called upon frivolously.

I know all this, because I am a nerd. If you want real fun, talk to me about Cthulhu.

Kent State anyone?

The special state grand jury found that the National Guard had been justified in firing their arms. According to a quotation from the court transcripts the Guard was subjected to "verbal obscenity and vulgarity which we have never before witnessed!" Furthermore, the jury accused the professors for only teaching about "the negative side of our instituitons of government."

The New Republic wrote: "The Ohio grand jury found guilt almost everywhere. Demonstrators, arsonists, on-lookers, outsiders, obscenity shouters, faculty, the administration was to blame - but NOT those who did the shooting."

A professor at KSU said: "..The shots fired by the National Guard in Kent...belong to an American tradition...Official violence...has been a standard response to the waves of popular discontent that called into question the sanctity of governmental decisions. It is part of that tradition, too, that those shot were subsequently (and frequently posthumously) declared guilty, while those who did the shooting were exonerated."

http://www.stud.hum.ku.dk/rikkebj/KENT1970.html

The good thing is that I can pray for you.
How nice.

And he thrashed the puppies out of Tokyo in the process.
Much like the the Gods of Lankhmar, they would come out to protect the city in times of need, but made alot of havoc in the process to insure that they wouldn't be called upon frivolously.

I know all this, because I am a nerd. If you want real fun, talk to me about Cthulhu.
i like fritz leiber there was alot of spanking in f&gm novels, also like conjure wife and our lady of darkness.

lovecraft was okay, a bit too much unspeakable, unimaginable, and so darn wrong you just had to loss your mind, for my tastes.

*yawn*

This actully happened once! A guy ran over 4 protesters in this huge protester march. You know what happened?
The protesters smashed this guys winscreen, and almost beat him to death until the police dragged him out. I think he's in jail though.
The lesson: If you want to run over protesters, be prepared for an almighty backlash.

Who cares how some irelevent cow lives before I eat it? Or war protestors, the war has already started, can't you write letters instead of blocking traffic?

Also, protestors never seem to know what there protesting any more. Or be knowledgeable about the subject they're protesting. They never seem to think.

you sound like a pigheaded conservative to me. in that you want things to stay the same and don't want your little boat rocked. so to answer in turn:
1: you care, if the cow is pumped full of nasty hormones that give you cancer, and e. coli in the meat from the shit mixed into the burger on the slaughtering floor and then you die.
2: you'll notice the vietnam war didn't end because people wrote letters.
if you think demonstrations do nothing, how can you possibly think letter writing will? or do you just want nothing to be done.

and as to the last part, when was the last time you talked to a protestor as a real person, rather than an exchange of heated slogans or deciding how "they" think based on the soundbytes in the news (which, it may surprise you to hear, are SOMETIMES selected specifically to make protestors seem dumb and inarticulate)

so, in conclusion: no you can't, because then me and my buddy would have to bandage them up and hold them in C-spine immobilization while waiting for an ambulance to show up before they died of internal bleeding.

and also, fuck you.

[QUOTE=Bandanna]how "they" think based on the soundbytes in the news (which, it may surprise you to hear, are SOMETIMES selected specifically to make protestors seem dumb and inarticulate)

The soundbites of the protestors sounding like complete idiots would'nt be that hard to find.

and also, fuck you.

Yeah same to you traitor scum.

[QUOTE=Frainermany]:sniper: Trust me, the running over of protesters is quite enjoyable on a boring afternoon, but I was wondering if there was any room in that law for "being allowed to hit people who cut in front of you without using their turn signals." Nothing really political behind it, but while we on the subject of road rage, I figured I's throw it out there.

Road rage is the result of pent up anger at the frustration of not being able to do anything about the situation your in, therefore running over the selfish protestors and hippys becomes instead roadjoy, as you are no longer constrained by the social restrictions that these unsuspecting wankers hide behind, you are letting that marvellous limbic primitive centre of your brain, which is necessary for survival, take care of the unneeded and unwarrented stress these selfish sign waving bastards are causing by enforcing their opinion onto you in an unfair way.



BTW: That killing hippies was a good idea too!! Crawling outta their parents basement with grungy unwashed hair with their sandwich boards on ::mental image:: "Ewwwww!!!!"

Hippys are nothing but useless unproductive self centered scum they should be turned into park garden mulch.

Why do you hate America? :(

So deep down, can I just run them over and call it a day?
Sure, why not. Run them over and enjoy :D

Why do you hate America? :(

I dont America at all.
Its the gutless protestors I dont like.

The only good antiwar/anti america/ socialist scumbag protester is a dead one.

Sure, why not. Run them over and enjoy :D
Dont forget your car can go in reverse as well, so if you miss any, back up.
Rid society of this curse.

I dont America at all.
Its the gutless protestors I dont like.

The only good antiwar/anti america/ socialist scumbag protester is a dead one.Why do you hate the first amendment? Are you a commie?

Why do you hate the first amendment? Are you a commie?

No, Im not.
I believe in freedom of speech, but I also believe in people suffering the consequences of that right, if they offend people with it.

I dont America at all.
Its the gutless protestors I dont like.

The only good antiwar/anti america/ socialist scumbag protester is a dead one.





You say you are in favour of killing fellow Americans who excerise their freedom of assembly and their freedom of expression for causes that you do not agree with. So again I ask you: why do you hate America? :(

You are complaining about people using the freedoms that our veterans faught and died for. That makes you an anti-america protestor. But please don't kill yourself. :( Instead, look into taking a civics course at your local institute of adult remedial education. Then you may be yet able to become a true American.

No, Im not.
I believe in freedom of speech, but I also believe in people suffering the consequences of that right, if they offend people with it.

So freedom of speach should only be used to express views that don't offend anyone, and people should be allowed to kill those that offend them?

Why do you hate America? :(

If our country's freedoms really make you so uncomfortable that you wish to murder us, please go back to Iran or to North Korea or to Saudi Arabia or to whatever freedom-hating country you came here from.

[QUOTE=Druthulhu]You say you are in favour of killing fellow Americans who excerise their freedom of assembly and their freedom of expression for causes that you do not agree with. So again I ask you: why do you hate America? :(

Im not American.

I dont hate America, just-the -war-protestors, mostly from all countrys, their just gutless.

You are complaining about people using the freedoms that our veterans faught and died for.

The same veterans those anti war bastards spat at and called baby killers when they came home right?

That makes you an anti-america protestor. But please don't kill yourself.
:(

Sorry but your an imbecile.

Instead, look into taking a civics course at your local institute of adult remedial education. Then you may be yet able to become a true American.

No thanks, you can keep all your big brother brainwashing seminars to yourself, and sorry but Im not any kind of American let alone a true one, which is something you will probably never be either.

Run over the Protestors!

Yes, and starting with that, we can go down the slippery slope of taking away the rest of the 1st Amendment while we're at it! *end sarcasm*

[QUOTE=Druthulhu]So freedom of speach should only be used to express views that don't offend anyone, and people should be allowed to kill those that offend them?



Bash them then, can we do that instead?

Why do you hate America? :(

I dont.

If our country's freedoms really make you so uncomfortable that you wish to murder us, please go back to Iran or to North Korea or to Saudi Arabia or to whatever freedom-hating country you came here from.

Murders too strong a word, and I dont think I would murder anyone, I just meant to say I really wouldnt shed a tear if any protestors got the living crap belt out of them, because they really are nothing but a pack of pigheaded fools.
And Im not in America or from any of the countrys you listed.

[QUOTE=Druthulhu]You say you are in favour of killing fellow Americans who excerise their freedom of assembly and their freedom of expression for causes that you do not agree with. So again I ask you: why do you hate America? :(

Im not American.

I dont hate America, just-the -war-protestors, mostly from all countrys, their just gutless.

O.K. so you just hate freedom in general? :(

You are complaining about people using the freedoms that our veterans faught and died for.

The same veterans those anti war bastards spat at and called baby killers when they came home right?

Yes, indeed, the same, and all others, baby killers and non-baby-killers alike. They fought and died for freedom and those, like you, who hate freedom dishonour them even more then those who hate them.

That makes you an anti-america protestor. But please don't kill yourself.
:(

Sorry but your an imbecile.

No need to apologize, it's not your fault. :) O.K., kill yourself if you really want to, but I think it's a bad idea.

B.T.W., in the phrase "you're an imbecile", the contraction "you are" is written as "you're", which distinguishes in from the possessive homonym, "your". :)

Instead, look into taking a civics course at your local institute of adult remedial education. Then you may be yet able to become a true American.

No thanks, you can keep all your big brother brainwashing seminars to yourself, and sorry but Im not any kind of American let alone a true one, which is something you will probably never be either.

Again, no need to be sorry. Since you're not any kind of American at all, though, I wonder just what it is you think you know about it that indicates to you that I am not one?



And again, why do you hate freedom? :(

Bash them then, can we do that instead?I'm offended by you. Not your politics. You personally. Can you give me your home address so I can bash you?

I dont.Just the American constitution.


Murders too strong a word, and I dont think I would murder anyone, I just meant to say I really wouldnt shed a tear if any protestors got the living crap belt out of them, because they really are nothing but a pack of pigheaded fools.And I bet you'll be the first to running crying to the cops if the demonstraters retaliate.
And Im not in America or from any of the countrys you listed.Go back to Iran.

Please, good people, do not feed the close-minded troll.

I dont hate America, just-the -war-protestors, mostly from all countrys, their just gutless.

Does this include the veterans of previous wars that protest against current wars and wars yet to come?

Please, good people, do not feed the close-minded troll.Please EC. I won't get bored like I did with the last one. I'll feed him and housetrain him and everything.

Please EC. I won't get bored like I did with the last one. I'll feed him and housetrain him and everything.
Oh, alright, but I'm not cleaning after him. You hear me?

I dont America at all.
Its the gutless protestors I dont like.

The only good antiwar/anti america/ socialist scumbag protester is a dead one.
In another thread, I asked you if you thought you had a handle on God's "values", and you replied "yes".

It appears from the above post that you must have some new religion or a different God than most other Christians?

If you can't be truthful to yourself how can you pretend to know God's "values"?

[QUOTE=Druthulhu]O.K. so you just hate freedom in general? :(

Not at all, I believe we should all be free to bash the protestors :)



Yes, indeed, the same, and all others, baby killers and non-baby-killers alike. They fought and died for freedom and those, like you, who hate freedom dishonour them even more then those who hate them.

You are so twisted.



No need to apologize, it's not your fault. :) O.K., kill yourself if you really want to, but I think it's a bad idea.

I dont want to kill myself, sorry.

B.T.W., in the phrase "you're an imbecile", the contraction "you are" is written as "you're", which distinguishes in from the possessive homonym, "your". :)

Well take a look at the big brain on Dru!



Again, no need to be sorry. Since you're not any kind of American at all, though, I wonder just what it is you think you know about it that indicates to you that I am not one?

You seem more keen on supporting terrorists by protesting Americas war on them, than supporting your own countrys fight against them, maybe you should sign up for the Taliban like David Hicks did?



And again, why do you hate freedom? :(

And again I dont.
Try and be more specific when you accuse people of hating something, like I hate protestors, not their freedom to express their idiocy, and I believe people should have the freedom to protest back against them without being called bigots and other dumb lefty tags, and should get just as much news coverage as the peacemongers.

[QUOTE=The Holy Word]I'm offended by you. Not your politics. You personally. Can you give me your home address so I can bash you?

Sure hero, Do you get a hardon when you personally threaten people over the net from the safety of your own keyboard?
Tosser.

Just the American constitution.

Get it through your thick stupid slow dumb wombat head mate, I have no problem with you idiots protesting, just dont be so indignant that alot of people do not like you.

And I bet you'll be the first to running crying to the cops if the demonstraters retaliate.Go back to Iran.

If the demonstrators retaliated I would be more than happy to fight them, no I wouldnt call the police.

Does this include the veterans of previous wars that protest against current wars and wars yet to come?

If anyone had a right to protest against war it would be them, at least they have been there.
Even if your own country got invaded you guys would probably come up with an excuse not to fight, like its not worth defending because its run by fascists who only care about themselves oil and profit, so why dont you just accept the bitter truth and face it, despite all the fancy names and philosphys you guys like to label yourselves with, the bottom line is your nothing but cowards.

Please EC. I won't get bored like I did with the last one. I'll feed him and housetrain him and everything.

I take it you also probably have a retarded man locked down in your basement as your gimp? :)

Oh, alright, but I'm not cleaning after him. You hear me?

Why not it would be a good job for you. :)

[QUOTE=Thou Shalt Not Lie]In another thread, I asked you if you thought you had a handle on God's "values", and you replied "yes".

Thats right.

It appears from the above post that you must have some new religion or a different God than most other Christians?

Oh right so we have to play by different rules to you guys now, if theres one thing that gets me riled up, its people like you who have ago at every aspect of our faith then when we get angry like a normal human does and break one of the rules you throw it in our faces, even though its something you probably dont believe in yourself.

Im Catholic anyway If you can't be truthful to yourself how can you pretend to know God's "values"?

I know his values, but Im only human.

Even if your own country got invaded you guys would probably come up with an excuse not to fight, like its not worth defending because its run by fascists who only care about themselves oil and profit, so why dont you just accept the bitter truth and face it, despite all the fancy names and philosphys you guys like to label yourselves with, the bottom line is your nothing but cowards.

Seeing as how you seem prepared to make unwarrented assumptions about my political beliefs and activities and are prepared to drag my country into the argument I'll ask a question which relates to where I live: Northern Ireland - several times there have been cross-community mass protests held to call for an end to sectarian murders carried out by paramilitary gangs, are all the people that go on these protests, such as myself, 'nothing but cowards'?

Ok I should confess first I am a raving radical left wing loonie. I say run them over. I got no problem with them being upset but find another way to show it instead of disrupting innocent people. And another thing find something real to protest about! The average person in society gives less than half a stuff about what protest carry on about and as we all know Democracy is rule of the majority. :)

Ok I should confess first I am a raving radical left wing loonie. I say run them over. I got no problem with them being upset but find another way to show it instead of disrupting innocent people. And another thing find something real to protest about! The average person in society gives less than half a stuff about what protest carry on about and as we all know Democracy is rule of the majority. :)
Given your post, it would be difficult to believe that you fit your own description as a " raving radical left wing loonie". BTW, the "rule of the majority" isn't always right, and in many countries, there may be a ruling party that has more representatives than the opposition but received less than half of the total votes. You should also realize that on certain issues, the voters that supported the "majority" views of the elected officials may in fact be against their own party.

and as we all know Democracy is rule of the majority. :)
yup, which is why America was specifically designed by the founders to prevent it EVER becoming a Democracy. America is not, and never has been, a democracy, for the express reason that the founders wished to avoid tyrrany of the majority.

by your logic, black people still should not be allowed in white schools, woment shouldn't be able to vote or own property, and the people who brought about those changes should have shut the hell up and left the rest of the country to go along its merry way. fortunately, in America, how many people believe in something is not used to determine how true or how just it is; a minority being abused is still wrong, even if the majority thinks it's right, and we have a Constitution designed to uphold that.

the rights of people to complain about the actions of their government are a fundamental part of the morals that began America as a nation, and any citizen who does not support those rights is a traitor to the ideals of their country. as such, they probably shouldn't be calling protestors "traitors," because they look very very silly when doing so.

Okay everyone calm down!!!

In case you missed it/I didn't make myself clear whatever my last post on this thread was heavily heavily laced with SARCASM!

I know democracy is inheritly flawed! I know people should fight all the way for their rights! I know people deserve the right to say what they want where they want! The whole point of what I was trying to convey is that most of these protestors actually don't have anything real to protest about. Black rights, female rights, anti-war anything, these are all good causes that were well served by protests. But there are many causes not helped by protesting. I am a "conservative radical" (sarcasm) beacuse I unlike a lot of radicals realise theres no point just going out carrying on about any issue just because I'm pissed off about how society's run, or they'r cutting down trees. There are better ways to protest that kind of topic. But when people are being put in prison because of their skin colour, or told they cannot vote because of their gender, that it the kind of this that is not only worth protesting about, its worth dying for.

Democracy is flawed, it gave your country Bush and my country Howard, but the day we stop believing democracy can work is the day we sign all our rights away to however happens to take power. And we dont even get the illusion that we have a voice.

Quoted by Azgardia
"Democracy is flawed, it gave your country Bush and my country Howard, but the day we stop believing democracy can work is the day we sign all our rights away to however happens to take power. "

Howard who? What country has a Howard?

Democrary is flawed because it is the one voice of millions of people, it just doesn't work. Also democrary was set up and is run by humans. Humans are flawed. Democrary is therefore flawed.

And those that want to run over protestors: You run them over, but then the cars would have to washed to remove the blood and the dents punched out. Now I like my car too much to run them over, but you could 'kidnap' all the protestors and put them on their on little island were they protest to their hearts content. And when there is only one or two protestors left, bring them back to mainland.

[QUOTE=Druthulhu]O.K. so you just hate freedom in general? :(

Not at all, I believe we should all be free to bash the protestors :)

Guess what? If I am free to do something and you are free to oppress me for doing it, then I am not really free. If it is a crime to run over or bash or whatever euphamism for violent assault you care to use any normal person, and it is not a crime to do it against a certain class of people, then those people are second class citizens and therefor not free.

Yes, indeed, the same, and all others, baby killers and non-baby-killers alike. They fought and died for freedom and those, like you, who hate freedom dishonour them even more then those who hate them.

You are so twisted.

Is it twisted in your mind to defend freedom? Is it twisted to think that the principle of freedom is more important than the feelings of those who defend it, and more important than covering up crimes done in its name?

No need to apologize, it's not your fault. :) O.K., kill yourself if you really want to, but I think it's a bad idea.

I dont want to kill myself, sorry.

Good! :D I feel much better now. :)

B.T.W., in the phrase "you're an imbecile", the contraction "you are" is written as "you're", which distinguishes in from the possessive homonym, "your". :)

Well take a look at the big brain on Dru!

Yup! :) And if I'm an imbecile, and spell better than you... guess what? ;)

Again, no need to be sorry. Since you're not any kind of American at all, though, I wonder just what it is you think you know about it that indicates to you that I am not one?

You seem more keen on supporting terrorists by protesting Americas war on them, than supporting your own countrys fight against them, maybe you should sign up for the Taliban like David Hicks did?

Guess what? Standing up for freedom of speach is not supporting terrorism, it is supporting freedom. Opposing a war which has nothing to do with terrorism when there are real terrorists trying to kill us is not supporting terrorism either, it is opposing it. I believe our efforts should be directed against Al Queada and O.B.L., but Mr. Bush doesn't even care about him any more and has said so. Which one of us is supporting terrorism? Me, who wants O.B.L. caught first before we start any unrelated new wars, or Bush, who is letting him roam free while he pursues a family grudge and makes Iraq into a new meeting place for all the terrorists in the region?

But then again, if your concept of "freedom" is to unquestioningly follow your leader even when he is even stupider than you are, I can see how you might have a problem telling a pro-terrorism stance, such as his, with mine, which is against it.

And again, why do you hate freedom? :(

And again I dont.
Try and be more specific when you accuse people of hating something, like I hate protestors, not their freedom to express their idiocy, and I believe people should have the freedom to protest back against them without being called bigots and other dumb lefty tags, and should get just as much news coverage as the peacemongers.

O.K. so now you want to tone down your rhetoric to the point when you are only talking about counter-protests, rather than assault and murder? You could have saved us all a lot of time if you'd just said that in the first place.

Guess what little boy? In the U.S.A., you do have the freedom to protest back! You can counterprotest all you want! In fact (this should probably make your other-people's-freedom-hating heart a little happier) in many places in the U.S.A. the cops will even refrain from police brutality and false arrest when you are supporting the no-think follow-without-question policies of the current administration.

So since you actually have more freedom to protest in favour of the government without fear of "law" enforcement personel harrassing and attacking you, what the Hell are you whining about? I suspect it really is that you wish for the freedom to commit assault and murder against the government's critics. So whether you like to admit it or not, you hate freedom. You would rather, it seems, have privilage ... freedom for you, but not for those who disagree with you.

But really, if it's just that the anti-war protests get more media attention than the other side, maybe you should try to get more of your cretinous inbred Saudi-puppet fellows out of their parent's basements and into the streets, where those who are willing to take time away from their jobs their classes and their families are protesting against the war-to-distract-from-terror and hogging all the spotlight simply due to their shameless exploitation of the totally unfair fact that there are more of them than there are of you.

Oh, but maybe you are just too scared to risk being called "bigots and other dumb lefty tags". Well that's ok. Stay hidden in your momma's basement behind the anonymity of her keyboard. You'll be safe there as you hurl insults at them and call for their deaths, and nobody will "ab"use their civil rights to hurt your feelings with a bad name.

Fucktard.

B.T.W., which freedom-hating country are you from?

Well I live in NYC and I have to run my mom to the doctor for her treatments every other day. If these protestors infringe on her rights to travel to her appointments, then why can't I infringe on their rights by running them down ala Death Race 2000. Her rights are just as important as any protestors. BTW I drive a big gas guzzling SUV which has a nice pusher in front.

How many protestors does it take to grease a car?

One if you hit them right.

Well I live in NYC and I have to run my mom to the doctor for her treatments every other day. If these protestors infringe on her rights to travel to her appointments, then why can't I infringe on their rights by running them down ala Death Race 2000. Her rights are just as important as any protestors. BTW I drive a big gas guzzling SUV which has a nice pusher in front.

How many protestors does it take to grease a car?

One if you hit them right.

If these protestors infringe on your momma's right to get to her appointment, the police will arrest them for blocking the roads, dipshit.

If these protestors infringe on your momma's right to get to her appointment, the police will arrest them for blocking the roads, dipshit.

Well numb-nuts what are you supposed to do if there aren't any cops around? Call 911 and wait for help? Are the cops going to be able to arrest 10,000 people at a time? Come on you Faulknerian Idiot Man-Child, think it clearly out in your head. The police can't always help you. DIPSHIT

No, Im not.
I believe in freedom of speech, but I also believe in people suffering the consequences of that right, if they offend people with it.

Amen.

Freedom of speech rights does not mean you can yell "fire" in a public building, or say libelous things about another person.

Where's the common sense, people?
The last time I disagreed with a law or ruling on some issue, I wrote my congressman. He's there to respresent his constiuents and that includes me. I wouldn't stand in a street with a stupid sign. Who reads all them dumb signs anyway.

The first protestor that distracts the NYPD and causes a terrorist attack can just pray his butt isn't blown up in front of the TV media because that is the one thing I fear from the protestors tomorrow at the RNC convention.

If you don't like something, who gives you the right to destroy public or private property, or piss on the street, or run naked like some mental patient, or flip over vehicles or throw smoke bombs at the police? That is not what the free speech right is about. That is just being IMMATURE and letting your emotions ruling your actions. No self controlled person would cause a riot or mob and harm others.

Seeing as how you seem prepared to make unwarrented assumptions about my political beliefs and activities and are prepared to drag my country into the argument I'll ask a question which relates to where I live: Northern Ireland - several times there have been cross-community mass protests held to call for an end to sectarian murders carried out by paramilitary gangs, are all the people that go on these protests, such as myself, 'nothing but cowards'?

Not at all BWO, I have nothing but respect for people who are protesting about something that effects them and risking their lives at the same time to do it.
The difference between you and some of the others on here, is they are not risking their lives, they are just being pains in the arse, once again I applaud yours and your friends and relatives courage.

Not at all BWO, I have nothing but respect for people who are protesting about something that effects them and risking their lives at the same time to do it.
The difference between you and some of the others on here, is they are not risking their lives, they are just being pains in the arse, once again I applaud yours and your friends and relatives courage.


Well, I was also on the anti-Iraq invasion protests: I didn't think that military action was the best way to solve the problem of not letting weapons inspectors go about their business unmolested. I believed that an invasion would lead to more civilian casualties and more complications than other possible ways of tackling the problem. Those civilians that have died (and indeed those serving in the various armed forces on both sides) may not have been in my community or even my nation, but that does not dramatically lessen the importance I place on their lives.

To protest against a military action which one believes to be miscalculated is not cowardice: cowardice is saying "yes, sir, I will" and following orders that one disagrees with or quietly accepting the actions of those that claim to be your leaders.

You make reference to those who are 'risking their lives' and contrast it to others who are just 'pains in the arse', but to protest against war is not to devalue the efforts of the common man and woman that serve in the armed forces - sometimes the best way to support the troops is to bring them home. Sometimes being a right royal pain in the arse is the most effective way of allowing your voice to be heard airing its misgivings about prevailing beliefs.

Well numb-nuts what are you supposed to do if there aren't any cops around? Call 911 and wait for help? Are the cops going to be able to arrest 10,000 people at a time? Come on you Faulknerian Idiot Man-Child, think it clearly out in your head. The police can't always help you. DIPSHIT

Well, buttnugget, if protestors are breaking the law then there are various legal reprocussions. If the cops aren't up to the job then repeal the tax break and hire more cops, or otherwise pursue legal means against the criminals. Hey, maybe even pay cops what they're worth! What a novel idea!

In case you weren't reading, the original poster was whining about protestors per se, not protestors who break the law. If you've got a problem with protestors in general then please, move to some freedom0hating country where you won't have to worry about hearing any opinions that oppose the government. Your momma will love you for it, I bet.

..if protestors are breaking the law then there are various legal reprocussions...

In my experience most (but not all) protestors are prepared to face the legal repercussions of their actions: if they block a road as part of a protest and are arrested for causing an obstruction, fair enough - its publicity for their cause. This is not to say that they will be running into the arms of the cops shouting 'arrest me', they may well try and avoid arrest by non-violent methods, but if they fail then so be it.

[QUOTE=Bodies Without Organs]Well, I was also on the anti-Iraq invasion protests: I didn't think that military action was the best way to solve the problem of not letting weapons inspectors go about their business unmolested.

It was sorry, the UN inspectors were inhibited at almost every turn from carrying out searches for suspected WMDs, sometimes when finally able to look into a suspected site, they find the site to be empty, which begs the question why didnt the Iraqis just let them straight in, they were only hiding nothing right?

I believed that an invasion would lead to more civilian casualties and more complications than other possible ways of tackling the problem. Those civilians that have died (and indeed those serving in the various armed forces on both sides) may not have been in my community or even my nation, but that does not dramatically lessen the importance I place on their lives.


What about all the Iraqis that were getting executed and tortured under Saddams regim, do you place any importance on their lives or the ones who would have suffered the future consequences of Saddam being allowed to remain in power.


To protest against a military action which one believes to be miscalculated is not cowardice: cowardice is saying "yes, sir, I will" and following orders that one disagrees with or quietly accepting the actions of those that claim to be your leaders.

An army cant function properly if a meeting gets called doupting the rights and wrongs of every order given, mistakes will always be made in a wartime enviroment,as also alot of good decisions.
To call the soldiers cowards for following orders they suspect are wrong is not really fair on them, remember they are risking their lives in this matter, would a coward do that?

One of the battles at Gallipoli in 1915 my own countrymen fought bravely against the Turks in, was called The Nek.
At 4.20 am, the British ships off shore began what was supposed to be a ten minute barrage of shells on to the turkish trenches and gun emplacements, this was to stop at 4.30 am.
At 4.27 am four waves of troops of 150 each were to follow each other under the cover of the barrage to take the trenches the Turks had run away from, the first wave were given unloaded rifles not even one up the spout, just bayonets so they wouldnt stop to reload.
However the British inexplicably without warning, stopped their barrage at 4.23 am, giving the turks 4 minutes to scramble back into their bombed trenches and set up their machine guns again.
At 4.27 am the whistle blew and the Aussies attacked knowing they were dead men before they got out of the trenches, the first wave was cut down and fell back into their comrades arms in the trenches ripped to pieces by heavy machine gun fire, the second wave suffered the same metres from its trench, the third wave was cut down halfway across to the turkish trenches and the fouth actually reached it, but due to numbers could not take it.

Out of 600 men that morning most of them between the ages of 18 and 24, almost 300 were killed in less than 15 minutes.
These men should never have been sent to face that butchery, but they obeyed the orders and went anyway, do you think these young men were cowards?

As the old saying from the Charge of the Light Brigade goes-

'Ours is not to question why, ours is but to do or die.'


You make reference to those who are 'risking their lives' and contrast it to others who are just 'pains in the arse', but to protest against war is not to devalue the efforts of the common man and woman that serve in the armed forces - sometimes the best way to support the troops is to bring them home.

Do you think they want to come home, their doing an incredibly dangerous job and doing it mostly with great effectiveness.
Alot of them have seen their comrades and friends maybe even relatives killed over their, do you think they will appreciate your political views that disparrage their efforts in the face of life threatening danger as even important or relevant after that?

Well, I was also on the anti-Iraq invasion protests: I didn't think that military action was the best way to solve the problem of not letting weapons inspectors go about their business unmolested.

It was sorry, the UN inspectors were inhibited at almost every turn from carrying out searches for suspected WMDs, sometimes when finally able to look into a suspected site, they find the site to be empty, which begs the question why didnt the Iraqis just let them straight in, they were only hiding nothing right?

Your truth? Try the real truth?

http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/Bx27.htm

Iraq has on the whole cooperated rather well so far with UNMOVIC in this field. The most important point to make is that access has been provided to all sites we have wanted to inspect and with one exception it has been prompt. We have further had great help in building up the infrastructure of our office in Baghdad and the field office in Mosul. Arrangements and services for our plane and our helicopters have been good. The environment has been workable.

The inspectors should have been given more support, and more time.

BTW the US was in violation of UN Resolution 1441 by NOT providing, and sharing all relevant information with the inspectors.

It was sorry, the UN inspectors were inhibited at almost every turn from carrying out searches for suspected WMDs, sometimes when finally able to look into a suspected site, they find the site to be empty, which begs the question why didnt the Iraqis just let them straight in, they were only hiding nothing right?

On the evidence currently available to us why do you think the Iraqi authorities were obstructing the inspectors?


What about all the Iraqis that were getting executed and tortured under Saddams regim, do you place any importance on their lives or the ones who would have suffered the future consequences of Saddam being allowed to remain in power.

My opinion that a military invasion was not the best way of tackling the problem does not mean that I do not believe the problem shouldn't have been tackled by other means.

EDIT: now that sentence is a morass of negatives... I'll restate it for fear of it being misconstrued as a statement of quietism: I believe that invasion was not the best option for tackling the problem, another way should have been found and used.

To call the soldiers cowards for following orders they suspect are wrong is not really fair on them, remember they are risking their lives in this matter, would a coward do that?

See below: but sometimes a coward has no option but to risk their life. What choice would a man have had on the western front during the Great War? - obeying orders and possibly dying as a result, or deserting and almost certainly dying as a result.

These men should never have been sent to face that butchery, but they obeyed the orders and went anyway, do you think these young men were cowards?

No. If they followed orders that went against their convictions, then it was a form of cowardice - a form of self-abnegation which does not have the strength to stand up and reject that which it thinks is wrong.

Do you think they want to come home, their doing an incredibly dangerous job and doing it mostly with great effectiveness.

Do I think the soldiers would rather be at home? In most cases, yes. The same as I believe that most soldiers that have been sent to serce in Northern Ireland would rather be at home or stationed at some base away from the threat of constant injury or death.

Alot of them have seen their comrades and friends maybe even relatives liked (I assume you meant to type 'killed') over their, do you think they will appreciate your political views as even important after that?

I have met ex-soldiers who have served in Korea that have gone on protests against the invasion of Iraq. There were certainly Gulf War veterans elsewhere protesting against the recent invasion. Thus it appears that fighting in one war does not automatically mean a tacit agreement with and consent to all other future wars.

I fail to understand what point you are trying to make: is it that they are 'so steeped in blood' that they must carry on regardless of whether the operation they are part of is right or wrong?

I have a question that's been on my mind for a loooong time:
If it was legal to run people over, in this case, protesters, would people do it more often?
It's a moral thing I've been pondering...

[QUOTE=Parachute]Quoted by Azgardia
"Democracy is flawed, it gave your country Bush and my country Howard, but the day we stop believing democracy can work is the day we sign all our rights away to however happens to take power. "

Howard who? What country has a Howard?

Sorry, I should have explained. Have you ever seen that little short bald man with large glasses and a speech impediment? That is Australia's Prime Minister, John Howard, our brave and fearless leader.

[QUOTE=Parachute]Quoted by Azgardia
"Democracy is flawed, it gave your country Bush and my country Howard, but the day we stop believing democracy can work is the day we sign all our rights away to however happens to take power. "

Howard who? What country has a Howard?

Sorry, I should have explained. Have you ever seen that little short bald man with large glasses and a speech impediment? That is Australia's Prime Minister, John Howard, our brave and fearless leader.


actually rights are generally based on the belief in natural law, they don't actually require a democratic political structure.

I have a question that's been on my mind for a loooong time:
If it was legal to run people over, in this case, protesters, would people do it more often?
It's a moral thing I've been pondering...

Well from some of the needless frustration Ive seen, they probably wouldnt hesitate if it was legal, I dont think Id do it, but I wouldnt really care much if other drivers thought otherwise.

Sorry, I should have explained. Have you ever seen that little short bald man with large glasses and a speech impediment? That is Australia's Prime Minister, John Howard, our brave and fearless leader.

Also despite the childish discription from above poster, an honest and well liked guy, who stands by his convictions, and through sound economic management over the last ten years, has got Australia out of an appalling dept passed on from the inept, corrupt and minority appeasing Labor party, which hopefully will not win the coming Oct 9 election, God help Australia if they do.

John Howard is the most dishonest PM Australia has ever had. Well, either totally dishonest, or totally incompetent - maybe a little of both.

How many times can he shrug his shoulders and say "Errr, nobody told me!" as an excuse to everything from the "children overboard" debacle to Saddam's phantom WMD stockpile. Perhaps if he spent 5 minutes in Australia instead of non-stop overseas junkets; and stopped bootlicking Dubbya for a moment or two; he might have a clue as to what's happening in our own backyard.

Worst PM ever...I'm a swinging voter - I have voted both Labour and Liberal in the past, so I'm not just a blind hater of Liberal politicians...and I still say without any hesitation "worst PM ever". Dishonest, incompetent and blatantly in the pocket of his caviar munching buddies...

(For non-Australians, in Australia the two main parties have are Labour and Liberal. Labour is equivalent of the Democrats, and Liberal the equivalent of the Republicans...why our right-wing party is known as Liberal is a mystery to me).

End of discussion as far as I'm concerned - respond to my quote if you wish, I won't bother reading it...

The above is from a fool who really hasnt got a clue about anything, he wont mind me calling him an fool either because he wont read this post.
I always wonder at the sheer amount of venom that comes out of people like this guys mouth, about a guy who has pretty much not put a foot wrong since he came to power in 96, and realise that Howard must be right for guys like the above to get so worked up about him.

[Sure hero, Do you get a hardon when you personally threaten people over the net from the safety of your own keyboard?
Tosser.LOL You're the one that came on talking about "bashing protestors". And now you're whining when it's turned back on you. Do you need a new dummy? You seem to have spat that one out.

Get it through your thick stupid slow dumb wombat head mate, I have no problem with you idiots protesting, just dont be so indignant that alot of people do not like you. You have no problems with protestors you just want to bash them? Did you fail Logic 101?

If the demonstrators retaliated I would be more than happy to fight them, no I wouldnt call the police.So have you actually ever put this into practise or is this only a virtual battle for you?

minority appeasing Labor party, .


they are race traitors aint they my aryan brother, always sucking up to the muds and the mongrels. betraying the white man to curry the interests of the foriegners and animals and jews...

they are race traitors aint they my aryan brother, always sucking up to the muds and the mongrels. betraying the white man to curry the interests of the foriegners and animals and jews...

Damn what an idiot.

Damn what an idiot.

hey don't blame me, i'm just expanding on termies comments, taking them to their natural conclusions, ya stinkie hippie mudlover.

hey don't blame me, i'm just expanding on termies comments, taking them to their natural conclusions, ya stinkie hippie mudlover.

That conclusion is your natural conclusion to every statement. There obviously isn't enough room in your brain for more than that one thought.

You subhuman murderous racist.

I don't blame you, I blame your cretinous incompitent parents. If they'd had the strength of character to make something of themselves they wouldn't have felt the need to teach you to blame the Jews and Blacks for your own worthlessness.

[QUOTE=The Holy Word]LOL You're the one that came on talking about "bashing protestors". And now you're whining when it's turned back on you. Do you need a new dummy? You seem to have spat that one out.

But you took it one step further by personally threatening to come to my house as if you would even have the balls too, and bash me.

I did not make it personal and threaten to bash you yourself.

You have no problems with protestors you just want to bash them? Did you fail Logic 101?

What your limited brain has failed to comprehend understandably, is I believe they have a right to protest, but not in the violent and disruptive way their doing, Greece yesterday for instance, and should be prepared to take physical abuse back in that case, so please dont whine if you do get bashed.
Besides even if you did get bashed and go crying to the coppers, they wouldnt have much sympathy for you, they think your idiots too.

So have you actually ever put this into practise or is this only a virtual battle for you?

Yes twice.

That conclusion is your natural conclusion to every statement. There obviously isn't enough room in your brain for more than that one thought.

You subhuman murderous racist.

I don't blame you, I blame your cretinous incompitent parents. If they'd had the strength of character to make something of themselves they wouldn't have felt the need to teach you to blame the Jews and Blacks for your own worthlessness.
i mainly blame hippies and mimes for my problems, of course there are quite a few jewish hippies and at least a couple black mimes.

they are race traitors aint they my aryan brother, always sucking up to the muds and the mongrels. betraying the white man to curry the interests of the foriegners and animals and jews...

Sorry mate but that aint my bag either, while I understand your position and what your angry about, I dont hate Jews or non white people.

Strange that even though the Aryan brotherhood and Leftwing protesters of all philosphys loathe each other they both share something in common, they both hate Jews.

Myself I admire the plucky bastards if anything.

Shalom

Sorry mate but that aint my bag either, while I understand your position and what your angry about, I dont hate Jews or non white people.

Strange that even though the Aryan brotherhood and Leftwing protesters of all philosphys loathe each other they both share something in common, they both hate Jews.

Myself I admire the plucky bastards if anything.

Shalom

Aside for wanting an independent Palestine, how do left-wing protestors hate Jews?

But you took it one step further by personally threatening to come to my house as if you would even have the balls too, and bash me.
No, I asked if you minded if I did.
I did not make it personal and threaten to bash you yourself.I sometimes protest, so yes you did.

What your limited brain has failed to comprehend understandably, is I believe they have a right to protest, but not in the violent and disruptive way their doing, Greece yesterday for instance, and should be prepared to take physical abuse back in that case, so please dont whine if you do get bashed.
Besides even if you did get bashed and go crying to the coppers, they wouldnt have much sympathy for you, they think your idiots too.LOL. Where did I say I'd go the cops? And you wish to object to violent and disruptive protests with violent and disruptive behaviour. I love the smell of hyprocrisy in the morning.

Yes twice.When? Was it pacifists by any chance? That strikes me as about your level of courage. I seem to remember you're Australian. Why don't you go try it on Australian Class War?

Sorry, I should have explained. Have you ever seen that little short bald man with large glasses and a speech impediment? That is Australia's Prime Minister, John Howard, our brave and fearless leader.

To Americans, all Aussies have a speech impediment! :)

For your consideration:

http://www.cybersalt.org/cleanlaugh/images/m-p/monkeyprincipal.jpg
http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/uploads/john_howard.jpg

For your consideration:

http://www.cybersalt.org/cleanlaugh/images/m-p/monkeyprincipal.jpg
http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/uploads/john_howard.jpg

:) Howard is still a better leader than anyone Labor has.

[QUOTE=The Holy Word]No, I asked if you minded if I did.I sometimes protest, so yes you did.

Of course I would mind, I wouldnt go to a protestors house and bash them.
Thats invading someones property.

You dont understand personal threats do you?
You made me wanting to bash protestors into a personal thing against you yourself, as you protest as well, which is misguided thinking as I wouldnt even know who you were unless you carried a big sign reading - 'Come and get me Terminalia, Im the Holy Word'.



LOL. Where did I say I'd go the cops?

Well how could you go to them, after yelling and throwing stuff at them or rolling marbles under their horses its not like their going to have much sympathy for you is it?

And you wish to object to violent and disruptive protests with violent and disruptive behaviour. I love the smell of hyprocrisy in the morning.

Oh right I see so only you can be violent and disruptive and anyone who objects to you in the same manner is just a hypocrite.
Yes you do love the smell.

When? Was it pacifists by any chance? That strikes me as about your level of courage.

Well if they were Pacifists they didnt really behave in that way, anyway I had fun.
I play Rugby League so worry about your own level of courage.


I seem to remember you're Australian. Why don't you go try it on Australian Class War?

Yes the Socialists love screaming about that over here, only problem is we dont really have a class war.

Look folks, this whole thing is pointless...

First, Terminalia stirs up the shit by saying "I hate protestors and want to kill them".

Next everybody with a brain says "what's your fucking problem? you want to murder people for expressing their free speach/assembly rights?"

Then Terminalia says "well I don't want to kill them, just bash on them."

Then everybody with a brain says "that would still be criminal."

Then Terminalia says "well I wouldn't injure anybody unless they got physical, just protest back and yell at them and call them names."

By this time those with lesser brains are still bugged about all the bullshit that this troll has already been spewing, while a few point out that he seems to be a hypocrite motivated by jealousy.

But by now anybody with a worthwhile brain has abandoned this train wreck days ago.

STOP FEEDING THE TROLL!!!

(emphasis added)

Anything? What, even that which is blatantly illegal?

Especially that which is blatantly illegal!

[QUOTE=Druthulhu]
First, Terminalia stirs up the shit by saying "I hate protestors and want to kill them".

Wrong the original poster said this first, try reading the thread properly.

Next everybody with a brain says "what's your fucking problem? you want to murder people for expressing their free speach/assembly rights?"

Yet your protests have caused people to die in the past, because of their violent nature.
But thats probably overlooked by you as unimportant, isnt it.

By this time those with lesser brains are still bugged about all the bullshit that this troll has already been spewing, while a few point out that he seems to be a hypocrite motivated by jealousy.

But isnt it you that is really the hypocrite in this, you support in person or covert violent protests, but whinge when you recieve the same treatment back.
And the last thing I feel for you fools is jealousy, if anything its pity.

Ohhhh Mr. China

[QUOTE=Druthulhu]
First, Terminalia stirs up the shit by saying "I hate protestors and want to kill them".

Wrong the original poster said this first, try reading the thread properly.

You, your partner, your puppet, your total stranger. I don't really fucking care because trolls like you are all interchangeable.

Next everybody with a brain says "what's your fucking problem? you want to murder people for expressing their free speach/assembly rights?"

Yet your protests have caused people to die in the past, because of their violent nature.
But thats probably overlooked by you as unimportant, isnt it.

MY protests? Just which protests would those be? What protests did I participate in or support have caused anyone to die?

Besides most of the people who die in protests are protestors being shut up by the government, whether it's the P.R.C. Communist Party or the Nixon administration or one of our friendly dictator allies, etc. There is a difference between a protest and a riot - look it up.

By this time those with lesser brains are still bugged about all the bullshit that this troll has already been spewing, while a few point out that he seems to be a hypocrite motivated by jealousy.

But isnt it you that is really the hypocrite in this, you support in person or covert violent protests, but whinge when you recieve the same treatment back.
And the last thing I feel for you fools is jealousy, if anything its pity.

No it's not me because I do not support or participate in violent protests.

You... your puppet... whoever started this talking about how he hated protestors and wanted to run them over.

If you have anything to say about individuals who commit criminal acts while participating in a protest go ahead, but all I have heard from you is an only slightly watered down version of Wonka Wonka or whatever the fuck name he was using's knee-jerk hatred.

I don't recall of care if it was he or you who was saying he wasn't American. Whatever. I really think you should both go live in a country where protests are brutally snuffed out by the authorities, and leave the rest of the world alone.

And quit protesting about protestors, dipshit. Or, actually, don't.

You have the right to protest.

No matter how stupid it makes you look.

Well well, the guy who encouraged everyone here not to feed the troll, has returned like I knew he would, to give me another meal, hes either just plain stupid or very forgetful, probably both Id say, or maybe another troll himself, anyway:

[QUOTE=Druthulhu]You, your partner, your puppet, your total stranger. I don't really fucking care because trolls like you are all interchangeable.

In other words another poster who merely wanted to express how much he has had enough of you idiots as well.

MY protests? Just which protests would those be? What protests did I participate in or support have caused anyone to die?

If your've been involved in any protests against the Government or corperate bodys in countrys over the last 5 years which usually involve the use of a lot violence, then theres a good chance someone died as a result.
Even an elderly person being pushed aside by you mongrels could have had a cardio attack not that you would care much.

Besides most of the people who die in protests are protestors being shut up by the government, whether it's the P.R.C. Communist Party or the Nixon administration or one of our friendly dictator allies, etc. There is a difference between a protest and a riot - look it up.

Yes and what would you call the recent demonstrations at Athens by your kind, protests.. or riots.



No it's not me because I do not support or participate in violent protests.

Sure you dont.

You... your puppet... whoever started this talking about how he hated protestors and wanted to run them over.

He was merely venting his frustration at the peace and anti global idiots, as I was.

I don't recall of care if it was he or you who was saying he wasn't American. Whatever. I really think you should both go live in a country where protests are brutally snuffed out by the authorities, and leave the rest of the world alone.


Or maybe you should, then when you came back, hopefully not, you would appreciate your own society alot more, instead of abusing the freedoms it allows you to have, or hiding behind its laws, instead of being a self centered pain in the backside.

And quit protesting about protestors, dipshit. Or, actually, don't.

Ohh big scary names now, what a tough keyboard hero you are.

You have the right to protest.
No matter how stupid it makes you look.

You really should take a good look into that last comment.

Well well, the guy who encouraged everyone here not to feed the troll, has returned like I knew he would, to give me another meal, hes either just plain stupid or very forgetful, probably both Id say, or maybe another troll himself, anyway:

[QUOTE=Druthulhu]You, your partner, your puppet, your total stranger. I don't really fucking care because trolls like you are all interchangeable.

In other words another poster who merely wanted to express how much he has had enough of you idiots as well.

MY protests? Just which protests would those be? What protests did I participate in or support have caused anyone to die?

If your've been involved in any protests against the Government or corperate bodys in countrys over the last 5 years which usually involve the use of a lot violence, then theres a good chance someone died as a result.
Even an elderly person being pushed aside by you mongrels could have had a cardio attack not that you would care much.

Besides most of the people who die in protests are protestors being shut up by the government, whether it's the P.R.C. Communist Party or the Nixon administration or one of our friendly dictator allies, etc. There is a difference between a protest and a riot - look it up.

Yes and what would you call the recent demonstrations at Athens by your kind, protests.. or riots.

And what kind are "my" kind? You don't know me so shut the fuck up and stop trying to label me for things I have never done.


No it's not me because I do not support or participate in violent protests.

Sure you dont.

You... your puppet... whoever started this talking about how he hated protestors and wanted to run them over.

He was merely venting his frustration at the peace and anti global idiots, as I was.

I don't recall of care if it was he or you who was saying he wasn't American. Whatever. I really think you should both go live in a country where protests are brutally snuffed out by the authorities, and leave the rest of the world alone.


Or maybe you should, then when you came back, hopefully not, you would appreciate your own society alot more, instead of abusing the freedoms it allows you to have, or hiding behind its laws, instead of being a self centered pain in the backside.

And quit protesting about protestors, dipshit. Or, actually, don't.

Ohh big scary names now, what a tough keyboard hero you are.

You have the right to protest.
No matter how stupid it makes you look.

You really should take a good look into that last comment.

You should really learn how to make proper quotations using this format. Until you do, and until you stop thinking you know anything about me other than what I have posted here, fuck off.

Of course I would mind, I wouldnt go to a protestors house and bash them.
Thats invading someones property.So violence is ok. But criminal trespass is bad.

You dont understand personal threats do you?
You made me wanting to bash protestors into a personal thing against you yourself, as you protest as well, which is misguided thinking as I wouldnt even know who you were unless you carried a big sign reading - 'Come and get me Terminalia, Im the Holy Word'.It's personal against anyone who protests if we believe that you've put it into practise as you say.

Well how could you go to them, after yelling and throwing stuff at them or rolling marbles under their horses its not like their going to have much sympathy for you is it?Because all protests are like that are they?

Oh right I see so only you can be violent and disruptive and anyone who objects to you in the same manner is just a hypocrite.
Yes you do love the smell.The difference is, my mentally disadvantaged friend, that I'm not claiming to be in favour of law and order.

Well if they were Pacifists they didnt really behave in that way, anyway I had fun.So who were they?
I play Rugby League so worry about your own level of courage.LOL. Just because you enjoy taking naked showers with other men it doesn't make you brave.

Yes the Socialists love screaming about that over here, only problem is we dont really have a class war.Note the capital letters. Class War the group, you silly child.

By this time those with lesser brains are still bugged about all the bullshit that this troll has already been spewing, while a few point out that he seems to be a hypocrite motivated by jealousy.

But by now anybody with a worthwhile brain has abandoned this train wreck days ago.

STOP FEEDING THE TROLL!!!It's not like any of us are getting wound up by him. It's funny watching his "big hard man" act when we all know he's solely an internet warrior. A modern version of the Victorians poking lunatics with sharp sticks. (I suspect I might not be a very nice person ;))

And what kind are "my" kind? You don't know me so shut the fuck up and stop trying to label me for things I have never done.

I'll make it simple for you then:

Do you support global protests that uses violence in their protesting against either the US, Global corperations or what ever else ticks their little heads off.

a) Yes

b) No

You should really learn how to make proper quotations using this format. Until you do, and until you stop thinking you know anything about me other than what I have posted here, fuck off.

Now now.. dont bite the monitor. :headbang: :p


.

STOP FEEDING THE TROLL!!!

what only you're allowed?
he's your pet and you have him on a strict diet...

[QUOTE= The Holy Word]So violence is ok. But criminal trespass is bad.

No but if you can use it why cant we use it on you?
Criminal trespass is not OK, something protesters are guilty of on alot of occasions.


It's personal against anyone who protests if we believe that you've put it into practise as you say.

Its only personal when it happens to you for some reason, should the cops and security take the protesters violence personally as well.


Because all protests are like that are they?

A lot are, the ones that arent have my support, not necessarily on the issue, provided their not in anyones way, people should be free to say what they want no matter how stupid they sound.

The difference is, my mentally disadvantaged friend,

Compared to you Id say Im anything but.



I'm not claiming to be in favour of law and order.

Well that makes you a criminal then.
Of course when the police or security beat you up you can use that same law and order to sue them in court, but you wont do that will you hardman.


So who were they?

On two occasions I saw the Australian war memorial being abused by Uni students and Socialists, the first time it was just some comical shoving, the second occasion one of then took a swing at me, so I hammered him in three punches and broke his shades.


LOL. Just because you enjoy taking naked showers with other men it doesn't make you brave.

Well thats just all a part of playing mate, theres nothing really homo about it.
If you see it that way then my advice would be to never go into a rugby league shed after a game and suggest that it is.


Note the capital letters. Class War the group, you silly child.

Whatever :rolleyes:

It's not like any of us are getting wound up by him.

Of course your not.

It's funny watching his "big hard man" act when we all know he's solely an internet warrior. A modern version of the Victorians poking lunatics with sharp sticks.


So I take it then that your the lunatic.

And Id say the hard act is something your into, I bet in a fight situation you probably go and wet yourself.



(I suspect I might not be a very nice person ;))

This is probably true.

what only you're allowed?
he's your pet and you have him on a strict diet...

Gassed or hung any Jews and blacks lately Heinriech?
Sorry even my suggesting that could be foreplay for someone like you.

STOP FEEDING THE TROLL!!!

But Dru you've been my main feeder on here mate, come on where are you Im hungry!

No but if you can use it why cant we use it on you?
Criminal trespass is not OK, something protesters are guilty of on alot of occasions.So if you can use it why can't we use it as well.


Its only personal when it happens to you for some reason, should the cops and security take the protesters violence personally as well.
If it's an anti cop/anti security demo then probably.


A lot are, the ones that arent have my support, not necessarily on the issue, provided their not in anyones way, people should be free to say what they want no matter how stupid they sound.Do you consider any protestors who used violence or disruption to be your enemy?


Compared to you Id say Im anything but.Id? What has Freud's theory of the psyche got to do with anything.

Well that makes you a criminal then.Then so does your use of violence (which you've already admitted to here).
Of course when the police or security beat you up you can use that same law and order to sue them in court, but you wont do that will you hardman.Nope. Unlike you I don't need others to do my dirty work for me.


On two occasions I saw the Australian war memorial being abused by Uni students and Socialists, the first time it was just some comical shoving, the second occasion one of then took a swing at me, so I hammered him in three punches and broke his shades.
You beat up a student? That must have been difficult.

Well thats just all a part of playing mate, theres nothing really homo about it.
If you see it that way then my advice would be to never go into a rugby league shed after a game and suggest that it is.Where did I say it was? It's all in your mind. You seem very threatened by homosexuality. Any reason?



Whatever :rolleyes: So you were wrong.



Of course your not.I was talking about you, not to you.




So I take it then that your the lunatic.

And Id say the hard act is something your into, I bet in a fight situation you probably go and wet yourself. So your witty retort is "I know you are but what am I". Are you six?



This is probably true.Doesn't stop you having sordid fantasys about me though.

On two occasions I saw the Australian war memorial being abused by Uni students and Socialists, the first time it was just some comical shoving, the second occasion one of then took a swing at me, so I hammered him in three punches and broke his shades.

How very Christian of you. Doesn't the Bible say something about turning the other cheek? Didn't Jesus teach non-violence? Or are you one of those "eye-for-an-eye" Christians?

(Just trying to rile him - no offense meant to Christians in general)

Now, before you say "well what would you do if someone took a swing at you?", you're damn right I'd punch him back - but then, I'm not the one preaching Chrisitian ideals all the time, am I?

At best, you are a blowhard exaggerating or inventing scenraios to make a point or to try and somehow impress the faceless hordes on the internet. At worst, you are a hypocrite who seems not to have gotten the main message that Christ was trying to get accross.

Even worse, I suspect that you are a "Young Liberal"! :p

And of course, all of this is waaay offtopic, but I wanted to vent for some unprovoked snipes that Terminalia had at me in some other threads. ;)

Now, having said all that, can we get some more specifics on this "abuse of the War Memorial"? Are you talking about physically damaging it, or using it for a purpose that didn't meet with your personal approval?

Especially run over protesters like this guy.

http://images.indymedia.org/imc/nyc/image/9/armless.jpg


Clearly he has no right to be able to express his opinion on things that don't directly affect him.....

Especially run over protesters like this guy.

http://images.indymedia.org/imc/nyc/image/9/armless.jpg


Clearly he has no right to be able to express his opinion on things that don't directly affect him.....
POINT.....SET......and MATCH!!!!!

Run him down I say - he looks like one of those damn dirty hippies! Why should he have a right to protest! [/sarcasm]

A very good example for those who like to stereotype protestors...

...but surely your running over of protestors could be construed as a counter-protest? This would mean that everybody else then has the right to ram/sideswipe/collide with your vehicle... I see a slippery slope.

A very, bloody, slippery slope indeed. How could you maintain control slipping on all those blood and guts without crashing?

How about something more mellow? Like a bunch of stink bombs thrown into the middle of the crowd.

I remember seeing someone run over on TV on one of those Elian Gonzalez protests. The crowd kept getting in his way even when he tried to go offroad. He finally snapped and accelerated and ran a protestor over. Man, THAT WAS THE MOST USELESS PROTEST I'VE EVER SEEN. The kid gets back to his father after his mother died swimming to Florida. And these idiots stop traffic ON PURPOSE for the sake of something already done. Everytime traffic is slow now in Florida we always say, "Must be one of those cuban protests again."

Maybe it would be ok if I did push everyone out of the way with my bumper. I have an old jeep wrangler which I wouldn't mind getting scratched up. Maybe if it's a protestor day I could put some armor on it (the ones designed for offroad) and they can scratch up all the armor. When I finally get through the protest back home, all I have to do is peel the armor off. The tricky thing is that some protestors WANT to get runover. It would be just like austin powers where that policeman gets runover by a steamroller going 2 mph. They want someone to sue for thier unemployed, jobless, basement lives.

[QUOTE=New Fubaria]How very Christian of you. Doesn't the Bible say something about turning the other cheek? Didn't Jesus teach non-violence? Or are you one of those "eye-for-an-eye" Christians?

Well Jesus was basically a pacifist, but if you read of his fury and outrage at the moneylenders and marketing going on in the temple where he whiped them out of there in a rage Indiana Jones style we see another Jesus all together, a vengeful Jesus, I felt the same way he did when I saw what these scumbags were doing to the Memorial.

(Just trying to rile him - no offense meant to Christians in general)
yawn

Now, before you say "well what would you do if someone took a swing at you?", you're damn right I'd punch him back - but then, I'm not the one preaching Chrisitian ideals all the time, am I?

All the time, hardly.


At best, you are a blowhard exaggerating or inventing scenraios to make a point or to try and somehow impress the faceless hordes on the internet.
At worst, you are a hypocrite who seems not to have gotten the main message that Christ was trying to get accross.

This is getting so old.

I get into fights sometimes, so therefore this automatically negates my entire belief in Christ.
Get some new material.

Even worse, I suspect that you are a "Young Liberal"! :p

Was for a while.

And of course, all of this is waaay offtopic, but I wanted to vent for some unprovoked snipes that Terminalia had at me in some other threads. ;)

yeah yeah you snipe me I snipe you big deal.

Now, having said all that, can we get some more specifics on this "abuse of the War Memorial"? Are you talking about physically damaging it, or using it for a purpose that didn't meet with your personal approval?

The first occasion they were trying to prevent people from going in and looking, the second time they were writing slogans with red spray on one of the walls, and one of them was up a bit further pissing in the corner of two of its walls.

Even worse, I suspect that you are a "Young Liberal"! :pWas for a while

Say no more - you are beyond redemption. Debating further with you would be like wrestling a pig in manure - I'd only end up dirty, and the pig would enjoy it. Goodbye.

[insert Terminalia's witty retort here]

Termite seems to be ignoring me now. Do you think I've hurt his feelings?

People protest to try and change something, and if they can't, they do it to prove a point.

What's more effective:

1,000 people writing letters to the White House?

OR

1,000 people marching through the middle of DC during rush hour?

Protests are a good thing. They may be quite inconvenient to many, but that's pretty much the only way that they can be heard. So you cannot disrespect those people who do protest.

What if you spammed the governemtn with millions upon millions of letters showing your point? theyd have to give in sooner of later

Termite seems to be ignoring me now. Do you think I've hurt his feelings?

Sorry but its just a pointless flame exercise that was getting dull as.

Say no more - you are beyond redemption. Debating further with you would be like wrestling a pig in manure - I'd only end up dirty, and the pig would enjoy it. Goodbye.

[insert Terminalia's witty retort here]

Im shattered.

Oh well looks like I win this one.















































































































































































































































































































































































Looks around.. kicks passing dustball and leaves.

If you try to run them over, please do it in the view of a responsible, law-enforcing police official please. Then stop and step out of your car, hold your hands up in the air.

JiangGuo

If you try to run them over, please do it in the view of a responsible, law-enforcing police official please. Then stop and step out of your car, hold your hands up in the air.

JiangGuo

How dull.

You realise by doing this you wont get the satisfying feeling of power blasting all the protester blood and meat and bone chips out of your grill and tyres with your hosegun when you get home.

nah you want to bleed the eagle(i think)carve there chest open still alive(of course)remove ribs and take lungs out and place them as outstreched wings viking trick neat aye

the problem with protests is you can get a large group agreeing on an issue but for different reasons but they might disagree with each other

Sorry but its just a pointless flame exercise that was getting dull as.Like your entire contribution to this thread has been anything else :rolleyes: Trolls just aren't what they used to be.

Oh well looks like I win this one.

*Laughs* Beating a strategic retreat is not the same as victory.

nah you want to bleed the eagle(i think)carve there chest open still alive(of course)remove ribs and take lungs out and place them as outstreched wings viking trick neat aye

Yes and use them then as hood ornaments, I like it.

[QUOTE=The Holy Word]Like your entire contribution to this thread has been anything else :rolleyes: Trolls just aren't what they used to be.

Yet all the same you keep responding, more coinage for this troll.



*Laughs* Beating a strategic retreat is not the same as victory.

Im still here.

Thanks for the coinage.

the problem with protests is you can get a large group agreeing on an issue but for different reasons but they might disagree with each other

The solution to this problem is an easy one and one beneficial to the rest of society.
Simply drop all these disagreeing protesters off onto an Island with crates of Vodka and Rum.
Come back in 3 hours and drop off crates of machine guns and ammo.

Especially run over protesters like this guy.

http://images.indymedia.org/imc/nyc/image/9/armless.jpg


Clearly he has no right to be able to express his opinion on things that don't directly affect him.....

Still haven't seen Terminalia reply to this one...;)

Still haven't seen Terminalia reply to this one...;)
Perhaps the point would elude him?

The solution to this problem is an easy one and one beneficial to the rest of society.
Simply drop all these disagreeing protesters off onto an Island with crates of Vodka and Rum.
Come back in 3 hours and drop off crates of machine guns and ammo.
[Assuming these are liberal and free-spirited protestors] I've never once seen a liberal be an angry drunk. It seems my conservative friends like to fight and cry more while intoxicated.
Maybe if you replace the rum and vodka with everclear, and then leave the guns the next morning, you might get better results...

you can run over anyone you want if you have a car and can get them lined up and under your wheels.

you just have to being willing to deal with the consequences, and the fact that you have just jumped right over the protester rung of social unrest and gone right up to terrorist.
Amen.

Perhaps the point would elude him?

Whats that, that sometimes guys risk loosing their limbs in battles?

Wait dont shoot me he crys I only joined the Army to get a good career, I never imagined in my wildest dreams that this could actually lead me in to something dangerous for my health.

Maybe he should have read the fine print better..

Whose gonna miss them? Their parents, whoom im sure they live with, or ahhh... Im pretty sure most of these ppl don't have jobs so.... I think thats about it.
Most of the people I know who can be bothered to leave their comfy homes (or air conditioned malls) to go and protest about something they feel strongly about, are also bothered to get jobs and go to work. Where comes this assumption that those who can be bothered to get off their behinds and march in protest of that they dissaprove of are bound to be more lazy than those who cannot be bothered to act on their convictions, or who dont even bother to have any?

Also, protestors never seem to know what there protesting any more. Or be knowledgeable about the subject they're protesting. They never seem to think.
Wow, so protestors are just like the rest of society on at least one level...

i totally agree with the first post of this thread about them living with their parents, however, i also respect their rights as individuals to do as they wish
Of all the people I know who have protested about things, only a very few of them lived with their parents, and considering that they were at the time under 10 years of age, I dont think living with their parents at that time was untoward.

I just don't like it when they think the whole world has to stop to listen to them and thier message. That sounds like forcing an opinion on someone if you ask me.
Forcing someone to be aware of your opinion is not the same as forcing them to accept your opinion as correct.

I understand and sympathise with your feeling wowcha, these people enjoy being pains in the arse more than anything else,
aha, and getting off their butts and risking arrest and being beaten up are the easiest ways these lazy basement dwelling people can come up with for causing annoyance to others....

This actully happened once! A guy ran over 4 protesters in this huge protester march.
Happened here to, the protestor was killed, she evidently did have a job, but was locked out of her place of work at the time, which is why she was protesting, perhaps she should have forgotten the job and just moved into her parent's basement...
In fact it happens all the time, and from personal experiance, children involved in protests are equally free game for the run-over. I guess it takes much more guts to run a child over with an automobile than it does to risk arrest and beatings by protesting.

I dont hate America, just-the -war-protestors, mostly from all countrys, their just gutless.
Yes well obviously, I mean they get off their backsides and risk arrest and beatings to express their opinion, how much more gutless can you get? Why dont these protestors behave bravely like 'anti protestors' and courageously use their automobiles to try to run children over.

murders too strong a word, and I dont think I would murder anyone, I just meant to say I really wouldnt shed a tear if any protestors got the living crap belt out of them, because they really are nothing but a pack of pigheaded fools.
Well you did state the only good anti this and anti that protestor is a dead one, I dont think that bashing the living crap out of someone until they are no longer alive can be construed as anything but murder.

Get it through your thick stupid slow dumb wombat head mate, I have no problem with you idiots protesting, just dont be so indignant that alot of people do not like you.
Of course, that explains the comment about wanting such people dead...tell me do you want everyone you dont have a problem with to be dead?

Seeing as how you seem prepared to make unwarrented assumptions about my political beliefs and activities and are prepared to drag my country into the argument I'll ask a question which relates to where I live: Northern Ireland - several times there have been cross-community mass protests held to call for an end to sectarian murders carried out by paramilitary gangs, are all the people that go on these protests, such as myself, 'nothing but cowards'?
Yes, all peacemongers are cowards and lazy, that should be obvious from the fact that they all live in their parents basements, yes even protestors who live in countries where most dwellings actually dont have a basement. Please dont start up with things like facts, they make it very difficult for people to justify their irrational stances...

Ok I should confess first I am a raving radical left wing loonie. I say run them over. I got no problem with them being upset but find another way to show it instead of disrupting innocent people. And another thing find something real to protest about!
And exactly what ways would that be? Sending letters that get thrown away to their political representitive? Just what exactly should protestors do instead of protesting?
With regards to the majority not caring, a lot of polls taken about issues protestors have protested about have often found a correlation between the protests and the views of the majority.

The whole point of what I was trying to convey is that most of these protestors actually don't have anything real to protest about. Black rights, female rights, anti-war anything, these are all good causes that were well served by protests. But there are many causes not helped by protesting. I am a "conservative radical" (sarcasm) beacuse I unlike a lot of radicals realise theres no point just going out carrying on about any issue just because I'm pissed off about how society's run, or they'r cutting down trees. There are better ways to protest that kind of topic. But when people are being put in prison because of their skin colour, or told they cannot vote because of their gender, that it the kind of this that is not only worth protesting about, its worth dying for.
So who decides which cause is worthwhile protesting about? You? I'm sorry I missed the bit where everyone else died and you were created as allmighty allknowing God on earth...
Evidently protesting is protesting, so your view makes no sense. You cant protest without protesting. A protest via email or a website is still a protest. Many protests take place by way of petition for instance. Just how the heck is a bunch of people passing a slip of paper around to garner signitures against something either not a protest, or a particular annoyance to non-participants?

Howard who? What country has a Howard?
The land down under.

You seem more keen on supporting terrorists by protesting Americas war on them, than supporting your own countrys fight against them, maybe you should sign up for the Taliban like David Hicks did?
I suggest it is flawed logic to assert that wanting to keep troops away from a war that is irrelevent to terrorism (and thus having said troops efforts put into activities that actually have the potential to reduce terrorism) is supporting terrorists. But I guess if you wish to consider that wasting precious resources that could be used to combat terrorism is a good way to fight terrorist, you wont allow logic to get in your way.

Guess what little boy? In the U.S.A., you do have the freedom to protest back!
Ditto Aussie...unless Howard's been more busy than I realised.

B.T.W., which freedom-hating country are you from?
I'm guessing Australia, although I hesitate to describe it as a freedom hating country. I rather suspect such sentiment is limited to those sort of people who make up stories about refugees throwing their children overboard, and who support internment of refugees in desert prison camps, or who the past forcfully removed children from their families for the purpose of 'assimulation'....actually come to think of it....

Well numb-nuts what are you supposed to do if there aren't any cops around? Call 911 and wait for help? Are the cops going to be able to arrest 10,000 people at a time? Come on you Faulknerian Idiot Man-Child, think it clearly out in your head. The police can't always help you
yeah, because we all know with how well publisised in advance protests are, and the numbers of people involved, that it is really likely that you will hindered by a protest whilst not a single police officer is anywhere around....

The last time I disagreed with a law or ruling on some issue, I wrote my congressman. He's there to respresent his constiuents and that includes me.
And may I inquire as to the level of success this letter writing engineered?

The first protestor that distracts the NYPD and causes a terrorist attack can just pray his butt isn't blown up in front of the TV media because that is the one thing I fear from the protestors tomorrow at the RNC convention.
Ah the terrorist attacks, well there's good reason to throw out the premise of free speech, change the constitutional premise of the country itself, we wouldnt want terrorists to think they could somehow effect the US with their attacks now would we. We dont want them in the US blowing things up, thinking this might cause a material shift in the policies and lifestyles of US citizens. The last thing we need is protestors distracting police from their job of preventing the US being fundamentally changed by terrorists.

If you don't like something, who gives you the right to destroy public or private property, or piss on the street, or run naked like some mental patient, or flip over vehicles or throw smoke bombs at the police?
What has crime commited by some people engaged in protesting got to do with every other protestor? People have no right to get in their cars drunk and drive, but we dont hear many calls for all people who consume alcohol and who have a driver's license to be run over, even though arguably drunk drivers have destroyed more $s in property than protestors...

No self controlled person would cause a riot or mob and harm others.
And many protestors are self controlled persons. Perhaps it would make more sense to criticise rioters than protestors, the majority of whom are law abiding citizens who would not and do not destroy property, start riots, or harm others.

Not at all BWO, I have nothing but respect for people who are protesting about something that effects them and risking their lives at the same time to do it.
The difference between you and some of the others on here, is they are not risking their lives, they are just being pains in the arse, once again I applaud yours and your friends and relatives courage.
So if I can identify that my life would be endangered as a result of protesting, that's all good, but if I cant see how my expressing my opinion about a very important matter will directly put my life at risk, I should do nothing regardless how important the issue at hand is....I'm sorry but I can only describe your assertion as utterly stupid. I really dont see why the parents of a girl mauled by a dog are nothing other than 'pains in the arse' just because their protest action did not put their lives at risk. The many people who's children will not be similarily mauled by dogs as a result of the improved dog control legislation these protests resulted in, probably think your theory is as full of baloney as I do.

Hey, maybe even pay cops what they're worth! What a novel idea!
Oh get out of here with your outrageous sentiments....what next paying teachers and nurses what they worth?

Also despite the childish discription from above poster, an honest and well liked guy, who stands by his convictions, and through sound economic management over the last ten years, has got Australia out of an appalling dept passed on from the inept, corrupt and minority appeasing Labor party, which hopefully will not win the coming Oct 9 election,
Yes really honest. I mean what is dishonest about making up complete lies and fairytales? Howard with his 'refugee children overboard' stories is as honest as Bush.

why our right-wing party is known as Liberal is a mystery to me
Actually it shouldnt be a mystery to people, but it often is. Liberal and right wing are not really in the same category of description. Right wing is the opposite end to left and far far left is communism. Liberalism has it's founding in the industrialisation of Europe. Liberals were predominately industrialists seeking to prevent legislation that might interfere with the profitability of their factories (ie laws protecting child labourers). Although there appears to be a modern misconception regarding 'liberal' it is not traditionally something that applies to most left leaning persons, since most left leaners do not favour the 'sink or swim' 'let the markets sort it all out' policies that characterises liberalism.

I always wonder at the sheer amount of venom that comes out of people like this guys mouth, about a guy who has pretty much not put a foot wrong since he came to power in 96,
I so know what you mean. Who cares if Howard supports desert internment camps, come on just 'cause he lied about those refugees throwing children overboard, what the heck is people's problem with him?

And what kind are "my" kind?
basement dwelling, unemployed, lazy, cowardly, and willing to risk your freedom and personal well being to express your opinion? Oh heck I hope I didnt leave out the long unwashed hair bit...and the pot smoking...and having no notion as to what it is you are actually protesting about, oh and also in need of being run over and/or bashed, or maybe just bashed, or maybe only bashed if you start bashing people first....anyway, clearly you're scum, because if you were not (scum) you would only ever sit on the couch eating potatoe chips, and watching tv whilst moaning about what's wrong with the world instead of getting off your behind and trying to do something about it...it's scum like you that led to women voting, the end of blatant discrimination against black people and other horrific happenings, I sure hope you are ashamed of your motivated self, and your tendancy to act on your ideals. You should sit down and shut up when they come for your neighbours, and hope there's someone left to protest when they come for you...

Because all protests are like that are they?
yes, they are, and all muslims are terrorist, all Americans are rednecks, kiwis cant keep their hands off the sheep and all Aussies hate the Aboriginees. Didnt you know all wide sweeping generalisations and stereotypes are true?

A lot are, the ones that arent have my support, not necessarily on the issue, provided their not in anyones way, people should be free to say what they want no matter how stupid they sound.
Oh so it's only criminals who happen to be protestors that you have a problem, why didnt you say so in the first place? If you mean only protestors who break the law are scum why say all are scum, then all who arent risking their lives are scum? If it's really only criminals you have a problem with, why state so emphatically that it is 'anti-war' protestors, I can dig up your posts if you have forgotten what you so stridently asserted earlier.

Yes and use them then as hood ornaments, I like it.
and back again to general murder of any and all protestors...such inconsistency can only be admired. How do you kid yourself into thinking you are not contradicting yourself just about every time you post?

The solution to this problem is an easy one and one beneficial to the rest of society.
Simply drop all these disagreeing protesters off onto an Island with crates of Vodka and Rum.
Come back in 3 hours and drop off crates of machine guns and ammo.
So do you care to make up your mind exactly which protestors you think should be murdered, which bashed, and which dumped on an island...please also reconcile your position (whatever the heck it is this particular nanosecond) with all the contradictions you have already posted with regards to who should be bashed, run over, murdered or dropped on an island...

[QUOTE=Peopleandstuff]
Forcing someone to be aware of your opinion..

But what right have you got to think you can force someone to listen to you?


In fact it happens all the time, and from personal experiance, children involved in protests are equally free game for the run-over. I guess it takes much more guts to run a child over with an automobile than it does to risk arrest and beatings by protesting.

You have to wonder what kind of parents would put their kids into the possibility of danger.



Of course, that explains the comment about wanting such people dead...tell me do you want everyone you dont have a problem with to be dead?

No.


I suggest it is flawed logic to assert that wanting to keep troops away from a war that is irrelevent to terrorism (and thus having said troops efforts put into activities that actually have the potential to reduce terrorism) is supporting terrorists. But I guess if you wish to consider that wasting precious resources that could be used to combat terrorism is a good way to fight terrorist, you wont allow logic to get in your way.

Why are you attacking the great job American troops have done in Iraq in risking their lives to see a democracy set up there, was that just awaste of time?
Would you prefer Saddam to be still there, would you like to live under his terror?

Do you see the nearly 1000 dead America suffered in liberating the Iraqis as a waste of time?


I'm guessing Australia, although I hesitate to describe it as a freedom hating country. I rather suspect such sentiment is limited to those sort of people who make up stories about refugees throwing their children overboard, and who support internment of refugees in desert prison camps, or who the past forcfully removed children from their families for the purpose of 'assimulation'....actually come to think of it....

The kids overboard is one of the biggest storm in a teacup storys around, blown up by the media into a hidden conspiracy that never really had anything terrible to begin with.
The Boat was sinking, so for their childrens safety some of the adults were seen throwing them out of the boat before it sunk to safety, then jumping over as well.
As for the internment camps, what else can we do, just let anyone in no questions asked?

Any illtreatment is ususally bought on themselves.
They are fed, housed given medical treatment and entertainment such as playstations, sporting equipment, TV's and books.
Also lessons in various subjects like English, Gardening, general education are also given freely.
Sorry but their not the gulags you imagine them to be, this must dissapoint you.
Workers are regularly abused, spat at, and attacked.
As far as Im concerened anyone who does the above isnt worth letting in in the first place, and should be put onto a plane back to where they came from quickly as possible..


What has crime commited by some people engaged in protesting got to do with every other protestor? People have no right to get in their cars drunk and drive, but we dont hear many calls for all people who consume alcohol and who have a driver's license to be run over, even though arguably drunk drivers have destroyed more $s in property than protestors...

Thats debateable.


And many protestors are self controlled persons. Perhaps it would make more sense to criticise rioters than protestors, the majority of whom are law abiding citizens who would not and do not destroy property, start riots, or harm others.


Of course, its the old 'its only a minority of them doing it' so that excuses all the other protesters thoughts and actions, funny we never seem to see the majority if this is the case condemning these guys, I wonder why that is?


Yes really honest. I mean what is dishonest about making up complete lies and fairytales? Howard with his 'refugee children overboard' stories is as honest as Bush.


We'll just comdemn the man as a liar then, for a start John Howard was acting on Intelligence reports which were then blown totally out of proportion to what they were by the media.
So you know, he has also bought in the most soundest economic reforms and policys Australia has had yet, got the country out of dept and halved national unemployment during the eight years he has served.


basement dwelling, unemployed, lazy, cowardly, and willing to risk your freedom and personal well being to express your opinion? Oh heck I hope I didnt leave out the long unwashed hair bit...and the pot smoking...and having no notion as to what it is you are actually protesting about, oh and also in need of being run over and/or bashed, or maybe just bashed, or maybe only bashed if you start bashing people first....anyway, clearly you're scum, because if you were not (scum) you would only ever sit on the couch eating potatoe chips, and watching tv whilst moaning about what's wrong with the world instead of getting off your behind and trying to do something about it...it's scum like you that led to women voting, the end of blatant discrimination against black people and other horrific happenings, I sure hope you are ashamed of your motivated self, and your tendancy to act on your ideals. You should sit down and shut up when they come for your neighbours, and hope there's someone left to protest when they come for you...

Quick run the governments after you! lol


Oh so it's only criminals who happen to be protestors that you have a problem, why didnt you say so in the first place? If you mean only protestors who break the law are scum why say all are scum, then all who arent risking their lives are scum? If it's really only criminals you have a problem with, why state so emphatically that it is 'anti-war' protestors, I can dig up your posts if you have forgotten what you so stridently asserted earlier.

No its protesters who commit criminal acts, and then scream Government harrassment that should just accept whats coming to them, as for as all your cock and bull about noble causes that the common man is too lazy to get up and help fight for ( in other words the taxpayer busy trying too make ends meet) sorry but it doesnt really wash, you just enjoy public attention and being generally all round pains in the arse.

If the freedoms are so limited where you are, then move to the middle east or Africa and experience what real oppression is.


So do you care to make up your mind exactly which protestors you think should be murdered, which bashed, and which dumped on an island...please also reconcile your position (whatever the heck it is this particular nanosecond) with all the contradictions you have already posted with regards to who should be bashed, run over, murdered or dropped on an island...

Ah the Islands a good idea, surrounded of course by mines and man eating sharks, we wouldnt any of you headaches escaping.

I don't know about anyone else but im tired of protestors. But before I begin my rant I want to say that I am not some pig headed conservative. I'm just tired of protestors. What relevence do they have anymore? None of there points never seem to get heared anymore. Like animal rights? Who cares how some irelevent cow lives before I eat it? Or war protestors, the war has already started, can't you write letters instead of blocking traffic? And just because of that one thing I have to ask, Can I just run them over if they get in my way? Whose gonna miss them? Their parents, whoom im sure they live with, or ahhh... Im pretty sure most of these ppl don't have jobs so.... I think thats about it.

Also, protestors never seem to know what there protesting any more. Or be knowledgeable about the subject they're protesting. They never seem to think.

So deep down, can I just run them over and call it a day?

*runs you over.*

some people do go on.

Yet all the same you keep responding, more coinage for this troll.Just a bit of friendly advice. When trolling it is customary to deny that's what you're doing.

Im still here.

Thanks for the coinage.Hey, don't worry about it. Buy yourself a clue.

But what right have you got to think you can force someone to listen to you?

. . .



The same right that you have to think he can't, and the same right that you have to think that he doesn't have the right to think that.

You both also have the right to state what you think, including what you think you have or do not have the right to say, although you do not in all circumstances have the right to do so in a way that forces others to hear you. In public on public grounds you are both SUPPOSED to have the right to say what you want to say and not be forcibly silenced. You do not have the right to stalk or harrass, so someone who does not wish to hear what you have to say can leave and you cannot follow without a legitimate reason, which does not include making them listen to you.

You seem to be having a lot of trouble with the concepts of freedom of speach and freedom of thought, Term.

protests good, riots better

protests good, riots better

Welcome to the losers' box at this debate, population Terminalia, Wowcha Wowcha Land, and you.

But what right have you got to think you can force someone to listen to you?
Forcing someone to listen is not the same as forcing them to be aware.

You have to wonder what kind of parents would put their kids into the possibility of danger.
What sort of person on hearing that someone intentionally tried to run over a child who was going about their lawful business with their parents, accuses the parents rather than the criminal trying to run over a child? The sort of person you are....people have a right to go about their lawful business without having someone try to run them over.

Why are you attacking the great job American troops have done in Iraq in risking their lives to see a democracy set up there, was that just awaste of time?
Would you prefer Saddam to be still there, would you like to live under his terror?

Do you see the nearly 1000 dead America suffered in liberating the Iraqis as a waste of time?
I am not attacking the job that troops have done. I am criticising the decision to send them to Iraq in the manner in which they were sent. As for a democracy, no such yet exists because democracy cannot exist without security and stability. Would you like to live under the terror of people blowing up your wedding because of their ignorance about your cultural norms? The fact is most Iraqis were safe when Saddam was in power, now they are not. I dont like Saddam, but I dont think the mistake of interfering without thought for the ramifications of doing so is made better by engaging further in such behaviour. Without the shortsighted interference of the US, Saddam would have come to be what he was, I dont think repeating the mistake (shortsighted intervention) is advisable or sensible. I also happen to think that priorities such as dealing with terrorism are more important to US and international security and well-being.

The kids overboard is one of the biggest storm in a teacup storys around, blown up by the media into a hidden conspiracy that never really had anything terrible to begin with.
You only say that because Howard was involved. He was told those kids were not thrown overboard and yet he still went and told the nation they were for the specific purposes of winning an election. That shows a blatant dishonesty and disregard for the people of Australis, not to mention those parents he accused of trying to murder their own children. Such behaviour is abhorrent.

Any illtreatment is ususally bought on themselves.
Of course, young children locked up in stifling hot conditions in the middle of desert are bringing ill treatment on themselves... you are worried about a few protestors 'damaging a war memorial', but you dont mind young children being locked up, and have no problem with politicians making false and dishonest accusations of infanticide against parents....dont you think your priorities are bit messed up?

Sorry but their not the gulags you imagine them to be, this must dissapoint you.
Neither are most prisons in the Western world, but traditionally we dont lock children up in them. I dont care if you put them up in the Ritz, leaving children incarcerated for years on end, even though they have commited no crime is abhorrent.

Workers are regularly abused, spat at, and attacked.
you want to run people over just for inconviencing you, I dont think you are justified then in looking askance at people getting physically aggressive with those who are imprisoning them. The fact is that many of the people in these camps have been found to be traumatised and suffering mental ill health as a result of their internment - it is utterly unfortunate that people are being attacked, but no mystery as to why. What do you expect these desperate traumatised people to do. You think all the dead bodies in Iraq is justified by the freedom of democracy, but dont think a little spitting is justified when freedom is denied? Again I think you need to look at your priorities.

Thats debateable.
What is debateable, that drunk drivers cause more loss of property and physical injury than protestors? You either have a very exaggerated picture of the damage protestors cause, or dont understand the damage to property and person caused by drunk drivers.

Of course, its the old 'its only a minority of them doing it' so that excuses all the other protesters thoughts and actions, funny we never seem to see the majority if this is the case condemning these guys, I wonder why that is?
When and where would you see this majority, when the tv reporters go and interview every single person and ask 'did you approve of that?' Does the phrase 'squeaky wheel' ring any bells with you. As it happens when given the chance many of the organisers of protests and regular protestors condem the behaviour of the criminal few, even if only from self interest. The fact is there are people everywhere who think laws and rules dont apply to them. In a civilised nation we aim at restricting the behaviour of that few, rather than painting law abiding others with the same brush.

We'll just comdemn the man as a liar then, for a start John Howard was acting on Intelligence reports which were then blown totally out of proportion to what they were by the media.
No he was acting in spite of being told more than once that the photos were not confirmed and then being told that they did not show what he later told Australians they showed. He had been informed that the info was not absolute, and then informed that it was false, and still he asserted to Australians that it was true.

So you know, he has also bought in the most soundest economic reforms and policys Australia has had yet, got the country out of dept and halved national unemployment during the eight years he has served.
And yet still felt he couldnt win the election without making false accusations of infanticide against those not in a position to defend themselves against the allegations. Utter cowardice.

No its protesters who commit criminal acts, and then scream Government harrassment that should just accept whats coming to them,
So no it's not just criminal protestors, its protestors who commit crimes....which yet again does not explain your earlier comments in which it is all protestors you seem to have a problem for.

as for as all your cock and bull about noble causes that the common man is too lazy to get up and help fight for ( in other words the taxpayer busy trying too make ends meet)
I have said nothing about causes that the 'common man' is too lazy to fight about. I dont even believe in a 'common man'...as it happens none of the people who protest that I know do not pay taxes, they have jobs, raise families. You clearly think you know who protestors are, but you clearly dont. A protestor is someone who is protesting something. I wonder how you reconcile your notion of protestors with for instance the marchers in the 'Grey Power' protests - many of these people were over 50, many retired after working their entire lives, and large numbers of them war veterans. Along with them were supporters such as the children they worked so hard to raise, their grandchildren, etc.

sorry but it doesnt really wash, you just enjoy public attention and being generally all round pains in the arse
Yes obviously all those Grey Power marchers were not concerned about the fact that their pensions (despite repeated assurances) were being dropped to such a level that these people who worked their whole lives to build the nation, who suffered wars and depression, and who paid taxes their entire lives were at risk of loosing their homes because they cant keep up with necessities like council rates. No clearly they came out to march in bad weather, with their walking sticks and wheelchairs because they just wanted to be pains in the arse...

If the freedoms are so limited where you are, then move to the middle east or Africa and experience what real oppression is.
Oh the ever disengenious, if you approve of and like the very founding premises of your nation, get out of it....you are the one who doesnt like protesting, I suggest it is more sensible for you to move somewhere such freedoms are not allowed...that way you'll be happier surely.

Ah the Islands a good idea, surrounded of course by mines and man eating sharks, we wouldnt any of you headaches escaping.
Which you? Should I refer back to your comments where you say only 'protestors who commit crimes...', or is this all protestors in general?

^^^ Another good post. Score one more for the side of sanity and civili freedom...

[QUOTE=The Holy Word]Just a bit of friendly advice. When trolling it is customary to deny that's what you're doing.

OK Ill deny it then.



Hey, don't worry about it. Buy yourself a clue.

I dont need to, you on the other hand.. :)

Welcome to the losers' box at this debate, population Terminalia, Wowcha Wowcha Land, and you.

Dru equates winners and losers acording to numbers , so according to Dru, if more people came onto this thread that didnt support protesters he would be the looser.
(which he is anyway) :p

Dru equates winners and losers acording to numbers , so according to Dru, if more people came onto this thread that didnt support protesters he would be the looser.
(which he is anyway) :p

No, moderation and intelligence, "looser".

B.T.W. you might wish to notice that that poster's position seems to be directly opposed to yours, but the fact of him disagreeing with you does not save him from being just as much a loser.

Most likely if you ran over a protester all of the people around you would:

1.Stone your car

2. Set fire to you car

3. Hang you by the nearest lampost

or you could get a major dent in your car and need a new paint job.

No, moderation and intelligence, "looser".

B.T.W. you might wish to notice that that poster's position seems to be directly opposed to yours, but the fact of him disagreeing with you does not save him from being just as much a loser.

Oh I get it your the guy who walks around school and decides whos cool or not, whos in and whos out, right, I always loved scaring the shit out of wankers like you. :)

Most likely if you ran over a protester all of the people around you would:

1.Stone your car

Um no

2. Set fire to you car

Um no

3. Hang you by the nearest lampost

um no I like the way you think but.

or you could get a major dent in your car and need a new paint job.

Correct.

You seem to be having a lot of trouble with the concepts of freedom of speach and freedom of thought, Term.

Freedom of thought doesnt annoy people, I have no problem with whatever dumb thoughts you want to think, as long as I dont have to hear them or affected by you putting them into practice.

=Peopleandstuff]
Oh the ever disengenious, if you approve of and like the very founding premises of your nation, get out of it....you are the one who doesnt like protesting, I suggest it is more sensible for you to move somewhere such freedoms are not allowed...that way you'll be happier surely.


But then Id be unhappy, as Id have no protesters to hassel. :)
And I approve of my nations actions, you dont seem to but.



Which you? Should I refer back to your comments where you say only 'protestors who commit crimes...', or is this all protestors in general?

All protesters who cause violence and destruction and agitators of such people.

All protesters who cause violence and destruction and agitators of such people.What about those who agitate people to be violent against protesters?

Freedom of thought doesnt annoy people, I have no problem with whatever dumb thoughts you want to think, as long as I dont have to hear them or affected by you putting them into practice.

You don't want to hear? Walk away. If somebody harrasses you - if they touch you, block your entrence to somewhere, follow you home, call you after being told not to, etc. - then call the cops. But it sounds like you would rather supress free speach, and I don't see you saying that you don't have a problem with it. My suggestion? Move to Iran, Cuba, North Korea or some other such place whose official policies are more in keeping with you anti-free speach attitudes.

You don't want to be effected by ideas that you don't agree with? Find a dictatorship that mirrors your beliefs, and move there. The whole point of free speach is to allow the people to encourage political change, so since you are apparently anti-democracy, move to somewhere where you won't have to worry about the ideas of others affecting the political process.

Oh I get it your the guy who walks around school and decides whos cool or not, whos in and whos out, right, I always loved scaring the shit out of wankers like you. :)

There are no wankers like me, and if there were none of them would be afraid of a pissant like you. And in school everybody thought I was either too cool an ass-hole, because I never gave a shit about what people thought was cool. But it sounds more to me like you were the guy who got a bunch of his friends together (courage of numbers) to beat up on the uncool kids. And now you have a car. Maybe I should be scared... after all, threats of murder should be taken seriously, right?

^, yes I suspect his bumper sticker might be in need of investigation....call out the secret service, after all it's not like Termie's going to protest about it...

Peopleandstuff]
Oh the ever disengenious, if you approve of and like the very founding premises of your nation, get out of it....you are the one who doesnt like protesting, I suggest it is more sensible for you to move somewhere such freedoms are not allowed...that way you'll be happier surely.

But then Id be unhappy, as Id have no protesters to hassel

And as you can see he doent want to move. Actually I'm not surprised, because even though Termie would like everyone to think that he has a legitimate and heart felt complaint about protestors, he clearly only is in it for the attention and to make himself into as big of a pain in the arse as he can be....

Originally Posted by Terminalia
Freedom of thought doesnt annoy people, I have no problem with whatever dumb thoughts you want to think, as long as I dont have to hear them or affected by you putting them into practice.

http://www.biblepicturegallery.com/Thumbs/ca/teaching/x_teach/money/Ostrich%20with%20his%20head%20in%20the%20sand.jpg

I don't know about anyone else but im tired of protestors. But before I begin my rant I want to say that I am not some pig headed conservative. I'm just tired of protestors. What relevence do they have anymore? None of there points never seem to get heared anymore. Like animal rights? Who cares how some irelevent cow lives before I eat it? Or war protestors, the war has already started, can't you write letters instead of blocking traffic? And just because of that one thing I have to ask, Can I just run them over if they get in my way? Whose gonna miss them? Their parents, whoom im sure they live with, or ahhh... Im pretty sure most of these ppl don't have jobs so.... I think thats about it.

Also, protestors never seem to know what there protesting any more. Or be knowledgeable about the subject they're protesting. They never seem to think.

So deep down, can I just run them over and call it a day?Nice use of free speech to complain about it.

=Druthulhu]There are no wankers like me, and if there were none of them would be afraid of a pissant like you.

Im 6'0 I weigh in at 104 kgs and play Rugby league in the second row, you would never call me a pissant to my face and if you were stupid enough too..

you were the guy who got a bunch of his friends together (courage of numbers) to beat up on the uncool kids.

Wrong, I even stuck up for them sometimes.

And now you have a car. Maybe I should be scared... after all, threats of murder should be taken seriously, right?

You take it as far as you want too, Im not in the slightest bit worried.

=Druthulhu]You don't want to hear? Walk away. If somebody harrasses you - if they touch you, block your entrence to somewhere, follow you home, call you after being told not to, etc. - then call the cops.

Why not just knock them out instead?

Why should they have the freedom to harrass people?


But it sounds like you would rather supress free speach,


No I just want to supress idiots like you taking advantage of it.


My suggestion? Move to Iran, Cuba, North Korea or some other such place whose official policies are more in keeping with you anti-free speach attitudes.

Why dont you, your the commie lover not me.

You don't want to be effected by ideas that you don't agree with? Find a dictatorship that mirrors your beliefs, and move there. The whole point of free speach is to allow the people to encourage political change, so since you are apparently anti-democracy, move to somewhere where you won't have to worry about the ideas of others affecting the political process.

Undermining it needlessly in order to destroy it, would be better words.

http://www.biblepicturegallery.com/Thumbs/ca/teaching/x_teach/money/Ostrich%20with%20his%20head%20in%20the%20sand.jpg

This should be the world wide symbol for all the anti US/anti global protesters in the west. :)

What about those who agitate people to be violent against protesters?

Like who?

And as you can see he doent want to move. Actually I'm not surprised, because even though Termie would like everyone to think that he has a legitimate and heart felt complaint about protestors, he clearly only is in it for the attention and to make himself into as big of a pain in the arse as he can be....

Wrong, you guys are the pains in the arse, and I am merely someone in the public whos sick and tired of all your whining.

There are no wankers like me, and if there were none of them would be afraid of a pissant like you. And in school everybody thought I was either too cool an ass-hole, because I never gave a shit about what people thought was cool. But it sounds more to me like you were the guy who got a bunch of his friends together (courage of numbers) to beat up on the uncool kids. And now you have a car. Maybe I should be scared... after all, threats of murder should be taken seriously, right?

Man it gives me a laugh when forum debates degenerate into a name-calling sh*tfight.

Im 6'0 I weigh in at 104 kgs and play Rugby league in the second row, you would never call me a pissant to my face and if you were stupid enough too..


I would. Because you are acting like a bully, and seem to think that mere might makes you right.

Also, I am 6'4'', also played Rugby (a decade ago), and weigh almost exactly 100 kgs - and grew up in the East End of London. (Where we eat those swaggering braggarts for breakfast).

You are trying to act like a tough guy, but just coming across as a thug.
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You don't want to hear? Walk away. If somebody harrasses you - if they touch you, block your entrence to somewhere, follow you home, call you after being told not to, etc. - then call the cops. But it sounds like you would rather supress free speach, and I don't see you saying that you don't have a problem with it. My suggestion? Move to Iran, Cuba, North Korea or some other such place whose official policies are more in keeping with you anti-free speach attitudes.

You don't want to be effected by ideas that you don't agree with? Find a dictatorship that mirrors your beliefs, and move there. The whole point of free speach is to allow the people to encourage political change, so since you are apparently anti-democracy, move to somewhere where you won't have to worry about the ideas of others affecting the political process.

Exactly. Freedom of Speech means that people get to say what they want to, even if you don't agree with them.

I think that all those guys promoting racist sentiments, anti-gay sentiments, etc. are sick in the head. But, I protest that they have the RIGHT to voice their opinion - even if they are whacked-out loons.

It's fun protesting.

It's also fun pissing off protesters.

I do both :D

Protests I agree with? I'm there.

Protests I don't and find stupid? I'll go over there and mock them. Every single one of them. I'll hurl insults, I'll be hurtful, I'll be one hell of a rat bastard.

And the thing is, they can't say shit, because I'm exercising the same rights THEY are.



And if one attacks me, well hey, then if I hit them back it's in self defence.

Oh, and Terminalia? I could so take you. And I'm some scrappy punk 18 year old kid.

Oh, and Terminalia? I could so take you. And I'm some scrappy punk 18 year old kid.

ptttt

=Grave_n_idle]Also, I am 6'4'', also played Rugby (a decade ago), and weigh almost exactly 100 kgs - and grew up in the East End of London. (Where we eat those swaggering braggarts for breakfast).


All by yourself, or did you get your mates to hold them down first.

Im not calling you a pussy Grave, but if you can beat me by yourself your doing OK.

Why not just knock them out instead?
Because it is illegal and criminal to do so...

Why should they have the freedom to harrass people?
Same reason everyone else has the right to do what they like so long as they dont break the law. Thus, to the point that the law does not prevent their behaviour, everyone has a legal right to annoy and harass others. Needless to say the right to harass and annoy does legally include peaceful demonstrations of protest, whilst excluding knocking people out. Once again as on the issue of freedom to protest your opinion directly contradicts the legal and political policy of your nation....as it does not your right to 'knock people out' if they annoy you or call you 'pissant'. still if you think that the laws are so silly with regards to people's right to 'harrass you' with protests, and your own lack of right to 'knock them out' like some mad league vigilante... you can always start a protest. Or alternatively you could become a super crusader in the anti protest cause...
...is it a keg, is it a platypus, is it a gentically engineered toad cane? Quicker than a finger up your 'what's it' mid-tackle, able to out-glare a goal post, and capable of identifying the drunkest lady in a room faster than you can say, "is she unconsious?"....it's League Man, the sweatiest hero of them all. But what can he do to stop the dartesdly protestors in their efforts to be heard...? Dont forget to watch the next installment; this diabolical dilema will tax all the downunder hero's knocking out skills, and powers of locker room bonding induced manliness - that's if he doesnt get caught up down the pub instead...So remember to tune in for the next infantile installment in the life of League Man...same fantasy time, same fantasy channel...
Obviously I doubt you are quite so delluded as that, but the above passage is not a huge exaggeration on how you are portraying yourself with your hyperbole and your vigilante attitude and your 'I play league so I can take anyone and everyone on physically, therefore I am above the laws against assault.
Basically if you have a point, it's being totally overshadowed and discredited by the manner in which you are presenting it.

No I just want to supress idiots like you taking advantage of it.
The point of having freedom of speech is that citizens are supposed to take advantage of that freedom, that is actually a founding premise of the country you live in's entire system of governence, maybe you could organise a protest to get that changed...
As it happens 'idiots' appears to be 'whoever disagrees' with you....hardly a valid interpretation of who should be allowed to exercise freedoms.

Undermining it needlessly in order to destroy it, would be better words
Lawful demonstrations of protest do not undermine democracy (in fact they are premised as being integral to it), however breaking the law by 'knocking people out' rather than calling the police does undermine and needlessy risks destroying society.

Wrong, you guys are the pains in the arse, and I am merely someone in the public whos sick and tired of all your whining.
So far as the first part of your comments are concerned - "you guys are the pains in the arse,", I didnt make the laws governing the rights to freedoms, so how am I the cause of your disagreement with your nation's laws?

All by yourself, or did you get your mates to hold them down first.

Im not calling you a pussy Grave, but if you can beat me by yourself your doing OK.

Not even worth dignifying with a response...

Not even worth dignifying with a response...

So why did you bother.

So why did you bother.

I didn't. I left your rude little comments alone, and just pointed out that I was doing so because they were beneath me.

One wonders why you keep coming back for more...

See, you post a little barb like that, and then come back to check... see if you 'hooked' anything.

I am beginning to think you are desperate for attention, any attention.

[QUOTE]Because it is illegal and criminal to do so...

No its not, if anyones harrassing you and you think it will lead to assault you are quite entittled to defend yourself.


Same reason everyone else has the right to do what they like so long as they dont break the law. Thus, to the point that the law does not prevent their behaviour, everyone has a legal right to annoy and harass others. Needless to say the right to harass and annoy does legally include peaceful demonstrations of protest, whilst excluding knocking people out. Once again as on the issue of freedom to protest your opinion directly contradicts the legal and political policy of your nation....as it does not your right to 'knock people out' if they annoy you or call you 'pissant'. still if you think that the laws are so silly with regards to people's right to 'harrass you' with protests, and your own lack of right to 'knock them out' like some mad league vigilante... you can always start a protest. Or alternatively you could become a super crusader in the anti protest cause...
...is it a keg, is it a platypus, is it a gentically engineered toad cane? Quicker than a finger up your 'what's it' mid-tackle, able to out-glare a goal post, and capable of identifying the drunkest lady in a room faster than you can say, "is she unconsious?"....it's League Man, the sweatiest hero of them all. But what can he do to stop the dartesdly protestors in their efforts to be heard...? Dont forget to watch the next installment; this diabolical dilema will tax all the downunder hero's knocking out skills, and powers of locker room bonding induced manliness - that's if he doesnt get caught up down the pub instead...So remember to tune in for the next infantile installment in the life of League Man...same fantasy time, same fantasy channel...
Obviously I doubt you are quite so delluded as that, but the above passage is not a huge exaggeration on how you are portraying yourself with your hyperbole and your vigilante attitude and your 'I play league so I can take anyone and everyone on physically, therefore I am above the laws against assault.
Basically if you have a point, it's being totally overshadowed and discredited by the manner in which you are presenting it.

I cant take everyone, trust me I know that better than you do.
And you dont hang around with many League guys do you?
Amusing take on what you think League players are like.


The point of having freedom of speech is that citizens are supposed to take advantage of that freedom

from your own mouth.

As it happens 'idiots' appears to be 'whoever disagrees' with you....hardly a valid interpretation of who should be allowed to exercise freedoms.

Well dont you guys think the same way of people who disagree with you?
Dont grab the moral high ground, cause there isnt one.


Lawful demonstrations of protest do not undermine democracy (in fact they are premised as being integral to it), however breaking the law by 'knocking people out' rather than calling the police does undermine and needlessy risks destroying society.

No it would just get rid of annoying idiots thinking they have the right to bother you with their crap, society would still go on.


So far as the first part of your comments are concerned - "you guys are the pains in the arse,", I didnt make the laws governing the rights to freedoms, so how am I the cause of your disagreement with your nation's laws?

Please your abusing the freedoms and undermining them, yet you cry like babies when people use the same freedom to object to you trampling on it.

...but surely your running over of protestors could be construed as a counter-protest? This would mean that everybody else then has the right to ram/sideswipe/collide with your vehicle... I see a slippery slope.

imagine that hey we could have a world wide destruction darby sounds like fun and the only survivors would be the sensible ones! hows that for evolutionary processes

=Grave_n_idle]I didn't. I left your rude little comments alone,

Are you sure your not a woman?

and just pointed out that I was doing so because they were beneath me.

One wonders why you keep coming back for more...

See, you post a little barb like that, and then come back to check... see if you 'hooked' anything.

I am beginning to think you are desperate for attention, any attention.[/

yawn

Are you sure your not a woman?I've just read your location. Are you Cathy from Wuthering Heights?

No its not, if anyones harrassing you and you think it will lead to assault you are quite entittled to defend yourself.
So now that the criminality of your mind set has been pointed out you add on a qualification of 'if you think they are going to assault you', which is utterly irrelevent to the subject of lawful demonstrations of protest, by virture of the definition of lawful...

And you dont hang around with many League guys do you?
Amusing take on what you think League players are like.
My opinion of league players was not communicated in my post. My comments were a slight exageration (ie a satirisation) of your own portrayal of yourself throughout this thread. It is an illustration of how very silly you sound with your 'I'm King Kong because I play league' mantra and the all the silly confused whinning which vacilitates between stating all protestors should be subject to physical harm, to running for cover of comments such as 'if I think they will assault me', that are irrelevent to the issue of lawful demonstration, whenever you are challenged on your irrational statements.

from your own mouth.
Well it's no big secret, it is as I pointed the premise of democracy which means that it is a founding premise of the legal and political system of the nation you live in. If you think that the means the ability to take advantage of the freedom to express opinions in a lawful manner in order to achieve representation and stimulate discourse about important issues, within the context of a political system that is premised on the notion that representation and discourse are essential to it's operation, then I suggest you complain to someone other than me, because even were you to be able to persuade me that the very founding rationales behind democracy were entirely false, it is not within my power to totally reorder the laws and political system of Australia.

Well dont you guys think the same way of people who disagree with you?
Dont grab the moral high ground, cause there isnt one.
Who the heck is/are 'you guys'? I personally am only one person, and if the question is addressed to me, then the answer is no.

No it would just get rid of annoying idiots thinking they have the right to bother you with their crap, society would still go on.
The very premise that the laws of Australia and law enforcement policy operate on, contradict your notion.

Please your abusing the freedoms and undermining them, yet you cry like babies when people use the same freedom to object to you trampling on it.

I am abusing no one's freedoms nor undermining anyone's freedoms, I note that you provide no premises or basis for your statement asserting the contrary, which is not surprising since I know that the statement you are making is not one that you can substantiate.
Evidently I am not crying, and also you should be aware that running people over, knocking people out, and banishing people to shark surrounded islands, are not rights conferred to you in the freedom of speech provisions that form Australian law.

I've just read your location. Are you Cathy from Wuthering Heights?

No
Im Heathcliffe.

=Peopleandstuff]So now that the criminality of your mind set has been pointed out you add on a qualification of 'if you think they are going to assault you', which is utterly irrelevent to the subject of lawful demonstrations of protest, by virture of the definition of lawful...

Im talking about being physically harrassed, not demonstrations by terrorist appeasers, which shouldnt be allowed in the first place.


My opinion of league players was not communicated in my post. My comments were a slight exageration (ie a satirisation) of your own portrayal of yourself throughout this thread. It is an illustration of how very silly you sound with your 'I'm King Kong because I play league' mantra

All I said was I play League so if violent protesters want to try and bash me they would be in for a rude shock.

and the all the silly confused whinning which vacilitates between stating all protestors should be subject to physical harm, to running for cover of comments such as 'if I think they will assault me',

I didnt say all, just the ones who use violence shouldnt bitch to the media or police when they get bashed up as well.


Well it's no big secret, it is as I pointed the premise of democracy which means that it is a founding premise of the legal and political system of the nation you live in. If you think that the means the ability to take advantage of the freedom to express opinions in a lawful manner in order to achieve representation and stimulate discourse about important issues, within the context of a political system that is premised on the notion that representation and discourse are essential to it's operation, then I suggest you complain to someone other than me, because even were you to be able to persuade me that the very founding rationales behind democracy were entirely false, it is not within my power to totally reorder the laws and political system of Australia.

So do all your legal stuff in a park out of peoples way, express your opinion without assaulting security and police and vandalising property if its so lawful.

Evidently I am not crying, and also you should be aware that running people over, knocking people out, and banishing people to shark surrounded islands, are not rights conferred to you in the freedom of speech provisions that form Australian law.

Well they should be. :)

Im talking about being physically harrassed, not demonstrations by terrorist appeasers, which shouldnt be allowed in the first place.

Violent protesters should get locked up. Lawful protesters should be allowed. No need to dismiss the issue being protested or ban demonstrations simply because some dumbasses with hot heads joined the crowd.

Termy can you please learn to input proper quote formats?

I don't know about anyone else but im tired of protestors. But before I begin my rant I want to say that I am not some pig headed conservative. I'm just tired of protestors. What relevence do they have anymore? None of there points never seem to get heared anymore. Like animal rights? Who cares how some irelevent cow lives before I eat it? Or war protestors, the war has already started, can't you write letters instead of blocking traffic? And just because of that one thing I have to ask, Can I just run them over if they get in my way? Whose gonna miss them? Their parents, whoom im sure they live with, or ahhh... Im pretty sure most of these ppl don't have jobs so.... I think thats about it.

Also, protestors never seem to know what there protesting any more. Or be knowledgeable about the subject they're protesting. They never seem to think.

So deep down, can I just run them over and call it a day?

There's a reason it's a First Amendment right. If we don't like the direction our government is going, we have every right to protest them.

I am glad there were almost a million people protesting the pResident the day before the start of the Republican Convention. They were merely pointing out what over 1/2 of the country (and most of the world) feels right now.

Nothing wrong with that.

I understand completely where the anger towards protestors is coming from. I wouldn't want to run them over, because my tiny Datsun 280ZX couldn't handle the abuse so it's a sheer matter of survival.

But he's got a point. People in Portland, Oregon (USA) have died from the protestors here who don't follow the legal routes of protesting, and usually come armed with acid to throw on the downtown. While there can be regular protests, it's the ones that interfere with the rights of others that get me so riled up, and no philisophical justifications can suit me.

The fact that protestors firebombed a Starbucks (I don't know if they have them overseas, it's a very successful coffee house chain in the Pacific NW) and killed three people and didn't think there was anything wrong with it. Democrats here threw acid at Police officers when the president came to speak blinding one of them. They've broken police horses's legs before and disabled the cops.

In New York they passed out pamplets on how to injure police and their animals and get away with it, destroy property and get away with it, et all. Which was foolish, because the police knew what to look for.

The consistitution affords people the right to peaceably assemble, but not to injure, maim, or inflict harms on the rights of other people. Sadly there is often the lack of political will to do what's right and protect not only the rights of the property owners but the people themselves who aren't joining in on the madness.

Protesting ceases to be noble when the cause they protest (and in Portland it can be anything, they've rioted over a $500 a year increase in tuition) and they begin to consistantly infringe on everyone else's rights. Police should arrest and jail at the slightest infraction of the parade permit (which allows them to protest on public streets) to prevent any disruption.

I get the sense they don't want to be taken seriously, but that opinion statements are to be forced upon, rather than heard and considered. Liberals in the United States have never stood for freedom, except when it applies specifically to them.

The rest of you are just trying to antagaonize the original poster for reasons I don't know. The internet makes strange flamers of people with little else to do but pounce and attack. It's just like my mother being attacked and threatened with a gun when she drove my car for it having a Bush/Cheney sticker on it.

I understand completely where the anger towards protestors is coming from. I wouldn't want to run them over, because my tiny Datsun 280ZX couldn't handle the abuse so it's a sheer matter of survival.

But he's got a point. People in Portland, Oregon (USA) have died from the protestors here who don't follow the legal routes of protesting, and usually come armed with acid to throw on the downtown. While there can be regular protests, it's the ones that interfere with the rights of others that get me so riled up, and no philisophical justifications can suit me.

The fact that protestors firebombed a Starbucks (I don't know if they have them overseas, it's a very successful coffee house chain in the Pacific NW) and killed three people and didn't think there was anything wrong with it. Democrats here threw acid at Police officers when the president came to speak blinding one of them. They've broken police horses's legs before and disabled the cops.

In New York they passed out pamplets on how to injure police and their animals and get away with it, destroy property and get away with it, et all. Which was foolish, because the police knew what to look for.

The consistitution affords people the right to peaceably assemble, but not to injure, maim, or inflict harms on the rights of other people. Sadly there is often the lack of political will to do what's right and protect not only the rights of the property owners but the people themselves who aren't joining in on the madness.

Protesting ceases to be noble when the cause they protest (and in Portland it can be anything, they've rioted over a $500 a year increase in tuition) and they begin to consistantly infringe on everyone else's rights. Police should arrest and jail at the slightest infraction of the parade permit (which allows them to protest on public streets) to prevent any disruption.

I get the sense they don't want to be taken seriously, but that opinion statements are to be forced upon, rather than heard and considered. Liberals in the United States have never stood for freedom, except when it applies specifically to them.

The rest of you are just trying to antagaonize the original poster for reasons I don't know. The internet makes strange flamers of people with little else to do but pounce and attack. It's just like my mother being attacked and threatened with a gun when she drove my car for it having a Bush/Cheney sticker on it.

I think you need to ask yourself what you were witnessing... 'protestors' or militants. The right to 'protest' is the right to Free Speech, and that is fine. Throwing acid is not protesting, it is assault.

I don't think people are trying to antagonise the original poster... he asserted that protesting was a negative thing, and that protestor's issues are trivial. Well, if that were true, they are still entitled to it. Just because the original poster doesn't care about animal welfare - that doesn't make it unimportant, or him/her correct.

I'm convinced that the right to protest is one of the things that stabilises western 'democracy'. Look at the revolutions and revolutionary intent in nations that do not allow free assembly, and compare that to the loud, but chiefly peaceful, state of affairs in 'the Democratic West'.

I protest this thread. :p

I protest this thread. :p

*Runs Big Jim P over*

*laughs at Big Jim P and Dementate*

Im talking about being physically harrassed, not demonstrations by terrorist appeasers, which shouldnt be allowed in the first place.
You appear to not know what you are talking about. Perhaps if you re-read the thread and your comments...
All I said was I play League so if violent protesters want to try and bash me they would be in for a rude shock
That is not all you said, you also communicated to another poster that as you are a league player they would not dare to call you a name (specifically pissant), the only implication I can draw from such comments is that you believe you have the right to bash someone over for calling you a name.
I didnt say all, just the ones who use violence shouldnt bitch to the media or police when they get bashed up as well
You've said all sorts of things, for instance many of your comments seem to be directed towards me specifically, yet whether or not I have protested or been present at any particular kind of protest you have no notion. The most information you have in that area would be that I have been present at an unspecified protest when I was under the age of 10, yet you clearly signal me as being included in the group to which you refer, and so you have signalled law abiding citizens by including myself as being one of those to whom your comments apply.
So do all your legal stuff in a park out of peoples way
You expect me to drag my lawyer to the park just to sign my will....you're strange one alright....not sure how my conducting my legal business in a park will help you out with your hangups over the lawful utilisation of democratic provisions.
express your opinion without assaulting security and police and vandalising property if its so lawful.
I have never assaulted security or police, or vandalised property, and of course in a free society there is nothing unlawful about me holding any opinion...why that should mean I would conduct my legal business in a park, I really cannot begin to imagine...
Well they should be.
Why should I be crying, I'm perfectly happy with the democratic premises on which rights in my country are legally provisioned for, and with laws that prevent assault. If anyone is indicating unhappiness, wouldnt it be the person doing all the bleating.....?


But he's got a point. People in Portland, Oregon (USA) have died from the protestors here who don't follow the legal routes of protesting, and usually come armed with acid to throw on the downtown.
People have died because of motorists who dont follow the legal rules about blood alcohol levels and driving...
You dont need to be Sherlock Holmes to work out that membership to just about any typography of people you can name, does not preclude current criminal action.
While there can be regular protests, it's the ones that interfere with the rights of others that get me so riled up, and no philisophical justifications can suit me.
Your rights are basically what the law says your rights are. If someone is not acting in contravention of the law, then they are not interfering with your rights. Society consists of competing rights, and sometimes those rights are contradictory to each other. Which rights take precedence is laid out in the law. If someone is not breaking the law but annoying you, you have every right to be annoyed, but that doesnt mean you have a right (as Termie suggests) to start knocking people out. If someone breaks the law, the are distinct from those who are not.
The fact that protestors firebombed a Starbucks
The fact that criminals firebombed a Starbucks...
I don't know if they have them overseas, it's a very successful coffee house chain in the Pacific NW
They are the McDonalds of the coffee world...
and killed three people and didn't think there was anything wrong with it
Society as a whole feels differently, as recognised in law. It was an act of terrorism. Think about it, blow up a federal building and you are a terrorist but blow up Starbucks and you are just a 'protestor'....that's nonsense. The person robbing a bank may be a mechanic, but primarily in relation to bank robbing, they are a bank robber. Terrorists may also engage in other actitivities and even schedule their criminal acts to coincide with those other activities, but in relation to their crime, they are criminals.
Democrats here threw acid at Police officers when the president came to speak blinding one of them. They've broken police horses's legs before and disabled the cops.
This is an example of extremely confused thinking. Why are you saying Democrats? People who are republicans, swing voters, backers of independents, non-voters and even unregistered voters also commit criminal acts.
In New York they passed out pamplets on how to injure police and their animals and get away with it, destroy property and get away with it, et all. Which was foolish, because the police knew what to look for.
Again you are confusing the typography of criminals with one of the many typographies that can have one or more members who also belong to the typography 'criminals'.
The consistitution affords people the right to peaceably assemble, but not to injure, maim, or inflict harms on the rights of other people.
Exactly, the law draws a distinction between lawful behaviour and unlawful behaviour, and thus between persons who commit crimes (criminals) and those who dont.
Sadly there is often the lack of political will to do what's right and protect not only the rights of the property owners but the people themselves who aren't joining in on the madness.
If there is no political will to enforce the law, then that is indeed strange, but unless the majority of protestors are also the political non-actors who are responsible for any lack of political will to which you refer, I dont see how you can blame slack law enforcement on law abiding citizens.
Protesting ceases to be noble when the cause they protest (and in Portland it can be anything, they've rioted over a $500 a year increase in tuition) and they begin to consistantly infringe on everyone else's rights.
Whether or not protesting is noble is not relevent. As pointed out above society decides the extent of your rights via it's legal apparatus, not via romaticism. If you have legal recourse (including those taken on your behalf by prosecuting authorities), your issue is not with protestors but specifically with a person, or persons who have acted in contravention of the law.
Police should arrest and jail at the slightest infraction of the parade permit (which allows them to protest on public streets) to prevent any disruption.
Obviously the police should apply the law - that's why we have police.
I get the sense they don't want to be taken seriously,
That who dont want to be taken seriously?
Liberals in the United States have never stood for freedom, except when it applies specifically to them
Yes and all Asians are good at mathes but bad at driving....
The rest of you are just trying to antagaonize the original poster for reasons I don't know.
A conclusion for which you provide no premise.
The internet makes strange flamers of people with little else to do but pounce and attack.
A propostion which appears to have no logical relationship to the one proceeding it.
It's just like my mother being attacked and threatened with a gun when she drove my car for it having a Bush/Cheney sticker on it.
Unpremised, unsound and probably invalid. Your inability to correctly apply ratios whilst applying obvious implications derived from material distinguishments is astounding.

Throwing acid is not protesting, it is assault
An obvious fact, that I am surprised you had to point it out. One should not have to be a lawyer to realise that throwing acid at someone are exercising one's lawful rights (such as freedom of expression) are materially distinct activities, even though it's possible to engage in both at once.

When a crowd of protestors has hostile elements, then I regard the entire crowd as hostile, especially since I hear absolutely NO condemnation here in Portland, it's de-evolving in fire-mob rule.

We're losing the battle for peace, and I don't hear any protestors condemning violence unless it comes from police.

When a crowd of protestors has hostile elements, then I regard the entire crowd as hostile, especially since I hear absolutely NO condemnation here in Portland, it's de-evolving in fire-mob rule.

We're losing the battle for peace, and I don't hear any protestors condemning violence unless it comes from police.

I am afraid I have never been to Portland, so I have no first-person perspective on this...

But, all over America there have been protests specifically FOR peace, over the last two years.

And, while you class an entire crowd of protestors as hostile, because of a hostile element, you should bear in mind that, most likely, the protestors in the crowd don't consider the violent elements to be part of THEIR protest.

If you asked them, they would probably be just as unhappy with the militants as you are - and those violent elements are actually weakening their peaceful protest.

Not usually no, and if they're protesting for peace then why are they not getting the hell out of there when violence breaks out?

Unfortunately they tend to join in a large scale and Portland can have riot police on call for hair trigger response times. The peaceful protestors will occassionally show up, but even they've given up because they're afraid of being linked with mobs of violence.

Peace protestors are violent. But don't you dare infring on their civil rights to be violent and hurt other people to make their points. They're not true peace protestors like Ghandi or Thorough, who advocated paying the price for civil disobedience, not violence, and not skating away from it.

In Portland the full skinny is the peace protestors get the hell out of their, but the majority (of a crowd of 5000, maybe 100) the rest just join in. They're thugs and mobs, not protestors.

A Pro-Bush ralley when the President came was shortly haulted when the police were unable to control anti-Bush elements attacking the (legally by the way) assembled group. We paid the price because the other side was violent and causing disruption.

But like my mother (an ardent liberal) says, it's our fault for being there in the first place because there's a lot of "anger at Bush and anything is justified."

But that's akin to saying a woman deserved to be raped because she was wearing a tank-top rather than a Burqa. I deserve security to peacefully assemble to support the president, not to be disbanded because the opposition group uses tactics of violence. Is that fair?

I don't blame the police, I blame the fact that liberals are nothing but a PC Lynch Mob.

Not usually no, and if they're protesting for peace then why are they not getting the hell out of there when violence breaks out?

Unfortunately they tend to join in a large scale and Portland can have riot police on call for hair trigger response times. The peaceful protestors will occassionally show up, but even they've given up because they're afraid of being linked with mobs of violence.

Peace protestors are violent. But don't you dare infring on their civil rights to be violent and hurt other people to make their points. They're not true peace protestors like Ghandi or Thorough, who advocated paying the price for civil disobedience, not violence, and not skating away from it.

In Portland the full skinny is the peace protestors get the hell out of their, but the majority (of a crowd of 5000, maybe 100) the rest just join in. They're thugs and mobs, not protestors.

A Pro-Bush ralley when the President came was shortly haulted when the police were unable to control anti-Bush elements attacking the (legally by the way) assembled group. We paid the price because the other side was violent and causing disruption.

But like my mother (an ardent liberal) says, it's our fault for being there in the first place because there's a lot of "anger at Bush and anything is justified."

But that's akin to saying a woman deserved to be raped because she was wearing a tank-top rather than a Burqa. I deserve security to peacefully assemble to support the president, not to be disbanded because the opposition group uses tactics of violence. Is that fair?

I don't blame the police, I blame the fact that liberals are nothing but a PC Lynch Mob.

Okay - I'm confused. You're not talking about protestors at all, right? I mean, you've mentioned 'protestors' in there, but you are basically talking about 'non-protestors' - you're talking about violent mobs.

You have, yourself, in the examples you cited, shown how the two are not automatically the same - how they are two opposed factions.

The militants are not protestors... they may be wearing a mask of protest, but they are street-thugs. You recognise those people by their actions.

The ones you said don't join in... they are the protestors. I mean, sure, if the police brutalise a peaceful protest, tempers get frayed, a peaceful protestor may strike out - but, in general, these are two different groups.

And the 'protestors' are legally protected in their assembly, and in their freedom of speech.

The 'militants', conversely, are acting outside of the law - and have no legal recourse.

I blame the police. If there is a continued tradition of violent assembly in the area where you live, then it must be the same perpetrators, again and again. If your local police form cannot isolate this element, or cannot respond when these 'thugs' turn up, then they are neither "serving" nor "protecting" your interests.

I am curious about your 'liberal' PC lynch mob... First: it doesn't fit the concept of 'liberal'. Second: How do YOU know they are liberals? Third: Can you even HAVE a 'PC' lynch mob?

Stereotyping much?

I think you need to ask yourself what you were witnessing... 'protestors' or militants. The right to 'protest' is the right to Free Speech, and that is fine. Throwing acid is not protesting, it is assault.

I don't think people are trying to antagonise the original poster... he asserted that protesting was a negative thing, and that protestor's issues are trivial. Well, if that were true, they are still entitled to it. Just because the original poster doesn't care about animal welfare - that doesn't make it unimportant, or him/her correct.

I'm convinced that the right to protest is one of the things that stabilises western 'democracy'. Look at the revolutions and revolutionary intent in nations that do not allow free assembly, and compare that to the loud, but chiefly peaceful, state of affairs in 'the Democratic West'.


Herein lies the problem... protestors have a right and a duty to protest. Unfortunately, many are of the opinion that QUANTITY of people will make more news than quality -- and they are right, as far as the media is concerned.

So calls go out to get as many people as possible to show, and by accident or design, the militants and general "soccer hooligans" show up, swelling the numbers and rioting. Then those who are there to peacefully prove their point are swept up and arrested along with the hooligans.

It's a tough situation.

=Peopleandstuff]You appear to not know what you are talking about. Perhaps if you re-read the thread and your comments...


Ah this is a different issue, from the original one, perhaps you could read better.


That is not all you said, you also communicated to another poster that as you are a league player they would not dare to call you a name (specifically pissant),


probably not unless they have group courage.

the only implication I can draw from such comments is that you believe you have the right to bash someone over for calling you a name.

Well can you tell me why I should tolerate rudeness?


You've said all sorts of things, for instance many of your comments seem to be directed towards me specifically,

Dont flatter yourself, you came into this ages after it started, and I have been mostly responding to you.


I have never assaulted security or police, or vandalised property, and of course in a free society there is nothing unlawful about me holding any opinion...why that should mean I would conduct my legal business in a park, I really cannot begin to imagine...


Well to go back to what this whole topic started off on, why should people tolerate you guys taking over public areas that traffic and services need to use, you people have got no consideration for anyone.

Why should I be crying, I'm perfectly happy with the democratic premises on which rights in my country are legally provisioned for, and with laws that prevent assault. If anyone is indicating unhappiness, wouldnt it be the person doing all the bleating.....?

Like protesters?

I deserve security to peacefully assemble to support the president, not to be disbanded because the opposition group uses tactics of violence. Is that fair?
Yes you do deserve the right to protest. That is my point entirely. It seems strange that having criticised all protestors, you now reveal yourself as being one. It is ironic that you state people such as myself who are defending a right you admit exercising are only doing so for the purpose of antagonizing someone else...may I ask why you imagine the word protestor applies only to troublemakers whose views oppose your own?

When a crowd of protestors has hostile elements, then I regard the entire crowd as hostile,
Really, and do you only apply this strange rationale to groups that are comprised of protestors, or do you apply it universally? For instance since the USA has hostile elements do you regard the entire USA (and all it's citizens) as being hostile?

Not usually no, and if they're protesting for peace then why are they not getting the hell out of there when violence breaks out?
Because people getting the hell out of there are running away from the centre of the group towards the batton armed policemen who frankly are not in a position to ask those running towards them if they are escaping from the situation or attempting to 'rush' the police.

Peace protestors are violent.
No 'violent peace protestors' are violent. 'Non-violent peace protestors' are non-violent. I draw your attention to your own comments with regards to Ghandi, who either was not a peace protestor, was violent, or is proof that your statement 'peace protestors are violent' is not accurate.

But don't you dare infring on their civil rights to be violent and hurt other people to make their points.
They have no such civil rights, being violent in order to prove a point is not a civil right so far as I can ascertain.

I don't blame the police, I blame the fact that liberals are nothing but a PC Lynch Mob.

Well you are wrong. I know plenty of people from all spectrums of the political scale, and the only ones I consider to be any danger are the ones that make stupid simplistic statements about everyone who has a differing view to their own. You know the kind of people who 50 years ago would have blamed everything on black or Jewish people, but who consider themselves above that kind of stupidity and instead blame the world's ills on whoever happens to have a different political position to them....you can tell those kinds of people because they make statements like 'I blame the fact that liberals are nothing but a PC Lynch mob'.

Ah this is a different issue, from the original one, perhaps you could read better.
When someone linguistically signals a subject, and you reply without specifying a change in the subject, by the rules of semantics you are still discussing the same issue. Evidently common sense suggests the same thing that semantics confirm. .

Well can you tell me why I should tolerate rudeness?
Can you tell me why when faced with a situation you can only conceive of two possible responses, one of which is illegal and the other of which appears to be personally discomforting to you? I certainly can tell you why you should not bash people for calling you a name, because unlike protesting bashing people in such a circumstance is illegal. Once again if you dont like the law of the land, you can always do what you suggested law abiding protestors do, and live somewhere else...,

Dont flatter yourself, you came into this ages after it started, and I have been mostly responding to you.
I hardly consider someone referring to me to be flattering in and of itself. Perhaps you dont get a lot of attention and any attention in your mind is good attention and thus something to be flattered about.....


Well to go back to what this whole topic started off on, why should people tolerate you guys taking over public areas that traffic and services need to use, you people have got no consideration for anyone.
If they are taking the areas over lawfully, then people should tolerate it because that is how society works, people tolerate lawful behaviour and seek the assistence of law enforcement agencies where unlawful behaviour occurs. Should anyone;s behaviour be unlawful, then they should face the proper and expected legal sanctions.

=Peopleandstuff]
When someone linguistically signals a subject, and you reply without specifying a change in the subject, by the rules of semantics you are still discussing the same issue. Evidently common sense suggests the same thing that semantics confirm. .

Um do you always try and sound like a textbook to impress people?


Can you tell me why when faced with a situation you can only conceive of two possible responses, one of which is illegal and the other of which appears to be personally discomforting to you?

Defending yourself is not illegal.
And why should I run away, your not suggesting these protesters are going to assault me are you, not the law abiding protesters!


I certainly can tell you why you should not bash people for calling you a name, because unlike protesting bashing people in such a circumstance is illegal.

Unless your a protester and you want to try and put cops and security in hospital, because your cause is right isnt it?

Once again if you dont like the law of the land, you can always do what you suggested law abiding protestors do, and live somewhere else...,

But why should I?
Unlike you people I support my country and government, you dont.
Move yourself, go to the middle east and become Shields for the terrorists, you wont be missed.

I hardly consider someone referring to me to be flattering in and of itself. Perhaps you dont get a lot of attention and any attention in your mind is good attention and thus something to be flattered about.....

:) thats good, you made me laugh, thanks.

If they are taking the areas over lawfully, then people should tolerate it because that is how society works,

No thats how you twisted people want it to work, what would you bastards stoop too if you werent given permission to protest I wonder?
Cant imagine you would be too happy about it?


people tolerate lawful behaviour and seek the assistence of law enforcement agencies where unlawful behaviour occurs. Should anyone;s behaviour be unlawful, then they should face the proper and expected legal sanctions.

Your so called peaceful protests are a venue for nothing but potential and actual violence, course all the peaceful ones like you suddenly wash your hands clean of it, like you had nothing to do with it.

think.

So deep down, can I just run them over and call it a day?

I completely support that move of yours!
Kill em all :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :gundge: :sniper:

Defending yourself is not illegal.
And why should I run away, your not suggesting these protesters are going to assault me are you, not the law abiding protesters!
If your chosen method of defense happens to be bashing people, and the thing you are defending yourself from happens to be someone calling you a name, then that is illegal. What have protestors got to do with it, I'm sure there are many more people out there both capable and inclined to calling you names?

Unless your a protester and you want to try and put cops and security in hospital, because your cause is right isnt it?
No, there is no unless. Bashing someone just because they called you a name is illegal. Now you dont have to take my word for it, ring a lawyer and ask them if the legal code makes being a protestor wanting to try and put cops and security in hospital a legal defence, as it happens the circumstance you describe would be considered by most courts to be aggrevating features of a crime, not mitigating circumstances giving rise to a legal defense.

But why should I?
Unlike you people I support my country and government, you dont.
Move yourself, go to the middle east and become Shields for the terrorists, you wont be missed
Because you seemed to think that if people were unhappy about some aspect or other of their nation, that they should leave that nation, well I can only gather that you would not give advice you are uninclined to take, and you clearly are not happy with several aspects of your nation, including the laws against common assault. Further on what basis do you premise your conclusion that I do not support Australia (or my own nation if that is what you were attempting to communicate)?

you made me laugh, thanks.
Your welcome, I guess that's the nice thing about recipricol relationships...

No thats how you twisted people want it to work,
I happen to be sitting in an unentangled position. As it happens it does work like that. People are entitled to do that which does not constitute an unlawful act.

what would you bastards stoop too if you werent given permission to protest
My parents were married when I was concieved and when I was born. I dont need permission to protest if I so desire, it is a legal right where I live.

Cant imagine you would be too happy about it?
I cant imagine anyone who values their freedom would be happy about it.

Your so called peaceful protests are a venue for nothing but potential and actual violence, course all the peaceful ones like you suddenly wash your hands clean of it, like you had nothing to do with it.
How are they mine? I didnt buy them, I dont recall them being gifted to me. Evidently a protest is not a venue....you really are hung up on the inability to think past simplified stereotypes are'nt you? Just imagine if you were born 50 years earlier instead of blaming all the world's ills on protestors, you could have blamed then on blacks, Jews, or 'Pinkos'...

probably not unless they have group courage.

Do you even know what "pissant" means?



Well can you tell me why I should tolerate rudeness?


And your response to rudeness is GREATER rudeness, and threats of violence? You are hardly in a position to be debating rudeness...


Dont flatter yourself, you came into this ages after it started, and I have been mostly responding to you.


Although there ARE certain people that you do specifically target, aren't there, Terminalia?


Well to go back to what this whole topic started off on, why should people tolerate you guys taking over public areas that traffic and services need to use, you people have got no consideration for anyone.


Because people have the rights to free speech and free assembly.

People have a legal right to occupy the same areas that traffic use, and that may inconvenience you, but where is YOUR consideration for THEIR cause?

If you don't like it that those rights exist, maybe you should protest against them.

*shrugs* Picking apart statements and dissecting them one by one is an old trick to try and question the premise rather than addressing the issue.

My point about regarding a crowd as hostile stems from the fact that it's long standing habit of protests here to turn violent. ONLY however when garnished in large numbers. The small groups of people holding signs don't bother me, and for some reason or another my father takes special delight in debating them on the street.

But when groups get violence as a matter of course rather than the rule you'd start to be suspicious too. You're absolutely correct that the people protesting Star Bucks and then firebombing it are criminals, leading me to further your point suggesting that protestors who assemble in my area must be regarded as criminals precisely because of that track record.

Take for example the most recent visit by President Bush that came with huge police forces that had to quash nearly constant violence. People bringing their kids in and using them as shields. Absolutely horrible. Bush and his campaign got footed with the bill of overtime security. But no one questioned the actions of the violence that occuring on large scales.

What you are essentially suggesting is that we can narrow down further and further who is a real protestor and who isn't, just a thug, or a criminal like you suggested. Well then the original post stands and it becomes a legit self-defense. And it makes his original point for him. Protestors deserve to be treated harshly because they have ceased to be protests when they're in violation of the law.

It appears that we've reached agreement here.

But when groups get violence as a matter of course rather than the rule you'd start to be suspicious too. You're absolutely correct that the people protesting Star Bucks and then firebombing it are criminals, leading me to further your point suggesting that protestors who assemble in my area must be regarded as criminals precisely because of that track record.

What you are essentially suggesting is that we can narrow down further and further who is a real protestor and who isn't, just a thug, or a criminal like you suggested. Well then the original post stands and it becomes a legit self-defense. And it makes his original point for him. Protestors deserve to be treated harshly because they have ceased to be protests when they're in violation of the law.

It appears that we've reached agreement here.

So, why are you anti-protestor? That bit still makes no sense? Protestors protest... those people throwing acid and starting fires aren't part of the 'protest', they are acting on their own behalf.

So - why do protestors deserve harsh treatment? What about criminal elements who DON'T attend protests? By your logic, they are representative of NON-PROTESTORS. So, people who DON'T protest should be treated harshly.

You can't persecute a group because of the actions of a minority.

Um do you always try and sound like a textbook to impress people?
Oi, peopleandstuff, what you reading for?

Defending yourself is not illegal.
And why should I run away, your not suggesting these protesters are going to assault me are you, not the law abiding protesters!
You've made it clear earlier that you're talking about attacking all protestors so you can cut the "self defence" bollocks out now.


Unless your a protester and you want to try and put cops and security in hospital, because your cause is right isnt it?You're the one saying you wish to attack people you disagree with.


But why should I?
Unlike you people I support my country and government, you dont.
Move yourself, go to the middle east and become Shields for the terrorists, you wont be missed.If you want a right wing fundamentalist state that doesn't tolerate any dissent why don't you move to Iran.


No thats how you twisted people want it to work, what would you bastards stoop too if you werent given permission to protest I wonder?
Cant imagine you would be too happy about it?Can you translate that into English for me?


Your so called peaceful protests are a venue for nothing but potential and actual violence, course all the peaceful ones like you suddenly wash your hands clean of it, like you had nothing to do with it.
Peace=Violence. That's Orwellian in it's brillance.

*shrugs* Picking apart statements and dissecting them one by one is an old trick to try and question the premise rather than addressing the issue.:rolleyes: Are you suggesting that addressing your statements one by one is an invalid form of debate? Where do you feel your position has been misconstrued?

My point about regarding a crowd as hostile stems from the fact that it's long standing habit of protests here to turn violent. ONLY however when garnished in large numbers. The small groups of people holding signs don't bother me, and for some reason or another my father takes special delight in debating them on the street.
Then you're taking a different stand then the people you're defending on this thread. Both the threadstarter and Termy have argued that they should be allowed to attack any protestor as a matter of course.
But when groups get violence as a matter of course rather than the rule you'd start to be suspicious too. You're absolutely correct that the people protesting Star Bucks and then firebombing it are criminals, leading me to further your point suggesting that protestors who assemble in my area must be regarded as criminals precisely because of that track record.Should all Republicans be regarded as criminals because of the activities of Richard Nixon?

Take for example the most recent visit by President Bush that came with huge police forces that had to quash nearly constant violence. People bringing their kids in and using them as shields. Absolutely horrible. Bush and his campaign got footed with the bill of overtime security. But no one questioned the actions of the violence that occuring on large scales.

What you are essentially suggesting is that we can narrow down further and further who is a real protestor and who isn't, just a thug, or a criminal like you suggested. Well then the original post stands and it becomes a legit self-defense. And it makes his original point for him. Protestors deserve to be treated harshly because they have ceased to be protests when they're in violation of the law.Couple of general points. Do you consider all violent protestors to be thugs, including those in the American War of Independence and the Suffragettes? As a Bush supporter I'm assuming you support his stance on Iraq. That means that you're supporting violence as much as I am (I'm one of the few posters on here that is prepared to support political violence in certain situations). Hence you're stance on protestors isn't a blanket condemnation of violence as a concept, it's an application of a value judgement about different types of violence.

Terminalia, I suggest that you at least try to make sense and use some logic in your arguments, otherwise no one will take you seriously.

You made the statement that in your opinion, it was OK to physically assault someone for calling you a name. When several people question you on the point, you either answered with another question, or responded with a totally non-related topic.

While that might work for politicians with a smidgeon of glibness, it really isn't working for you...it's only making you look foolish and uninformed.

I think you could do much better on your side of the debate if you just try a little harder. No offense meant.

=Grave_n_idle]Do you even know what "pissant" means?
And your response to rudeness is GREATER rudeness, and threats of violence? You are hardly in a position to be debating rudeness...
Although there ARE certain people that you do specifically target, aren't there, Terminalia?
Because people have the rights to free speech and free assembly.
People have a legal right to occupy the same areas that traffic use, and that may inconvenience you, but where is YOUR consideration for THEIR cause?
If you don't like it that those rights exist, maybe you should protest against them.
Grave Grave Grave, give it a rest, Ive got no more time for you OK?

Terminalia, I suggest that you at least try to make sense and use some logic in your arguments, otherwise no one will take you seriously.

You made the statement that in your opinion, it was OK to physically assault someone for calling you a name. When several people question you on the point, you either answered with another question, or responded with a totally non-related topic.

While that might work for politicians with a smidgeon of glibness, it really isn't working for you...it's only making you look foolish and uninformed.

I think you could do much better on your side of the debate if you just try a little harder. No offense meant.
i respectfully second this suggestion. with the addition that "your" is the possesive second person and "you're" is the contraction meaning "you are." i usually don't nitpick spelling and grammar, but that particular error has been turning up a lot here, and it's one of those mistakes that can really change the meaning of a sentence, so in the interests of clarity you [Terminalia] might want to watch out for it.

=New Fubaria]You made the statement that in your opinion, it was OK to physically assault someone for calling you a name. When several people question you on the point, you either answered with another question, or responded with a totally non-related topic.

Yes I think its OK, rude people deserve nothing less, their a pox on social graces and deserve anything they get.

I think you could do much better on your side of the debate if you just try a little harder. No offense meant.

Non taken.

you know have you ever thought to know why the protesters are protesting in the first place?

they there for a really good reason, and its peaple that dont like protesters who just let the goverment get away with murder, so in a way you are conservative, they are protesting because they need too. :gundge: :headbang: :fluffle:

=The Holy Word] You've made it clear earlier that you're talking about attacking all protestors so you can cut the "self defence" bollocks out now.

The car stuff right?.. joke comprende?
Their have been other posters on here talking about running them over as well and also machine gunning them, but you dont seem to have a problem with them, so are you being personal here?


You're the one saying you wish to attack people you disagree with.

Something protesters never do, of course not you, your one of the peaceful ones arent you, and you of course comdemn all violent protests and protesters blablabla right?



If you want a right wing fundamentalist state that doesn't tolerate any dissent why don't you move to Iran.

Like you wont tolerate any dissent of your marches or reasons for them ?


Peace=Violence. That's Orwellian in it's brillance.

Yes its strange that protesters wanting peace have no problem with baying for George Bushes and other peoples blood, and dont tell me again how you guys disaprove so much of violent protesters and protests, because if you did you wouldnt allow your so called peaceful protests to become a stage for them so easily.

=Waldenropt]you know have you ever thought to know why the protesters are protesting in the first place?

Because their bored idiots who like attention?


they there for a really good reason, and its peaple that dont like protesters who just let the goverment get away with murder, so in a way you are conservative, they are protesting because they need too.

Were living in a democracy, the government is not getting away with murder, unfortunately part of being in a democracy is we have to put up with conspiracy idiots who have nothing better to do with their time than believe socialist bullshit.

just wait intell we got four more years of bush in the white house,


it wont be a democracy then,

and the republicans will wonder what the hell they did voting for him. ;)

=Eine Hund]

My point about regarding a crowd as hostile stems from the fact that it's long standing habit of protests here to turn violent. ONLY however when garnished in large numbers.


Its called group courage, the only courage protesters really have, despite all the high and noble opinions they have of themselves.

Take for example the most recent visit by President Bush that came with huge police forces that had to quash nearly constant violence. People bringing their kids in and using them as shields. Absolutely horrible. Bush and his campaign got footed with the bill of overtime security. But no one questioned the actions of the violence that occuring on large scales.


You have to question what kind of people would place their own children in the way of danger.


Protestors deserve to be treated harshly because they have ceased to be protests when they're in violation of the law.

Exactly.

Its called group courage, the only courage protesters really have, despite all the high and noble opinions they have of themselves.




You have to question what kind of people would place their own children in the way of danger.




Exactly.


ITS PEAPLE LIKE YOU THAT DESERVE TO BE TREATED HARSHLY THERE PAL. :)

ITS PEAPLE LIKE YOU THAT DESERVE TO BE TREATED HARSHLY THERE PAL. :)

People.

People.


WOW SO SUE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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WOW SO SUE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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I dont sue, just correct :)

I protest. Quite frequently. In anti-war protests, and left-wing protests, in fact. But, y'see, here's the thing - none of them have had any trouble. Most protests are sorted out between the protestors and the police beforehand, sorting the route, etc. The people make their march. And a point is made. Your delusion of "rioting evil protesters that will KILL US ALL!" is far from the truth. Indeed, a large majority of people marching in a lot of the anti-war protests were as far from the "loony lefties" as you can get - old people, middle class people, young kids - just people who were angry at being lied to, and angry at a war they didn't want. Like someone said before, there's a difference between a protest and a riot. You seem not to see the difference. Protestors are making a point, standing up for what they believe in, and that is to be lauded.

You know, the world today reminds me of Catch-22 - you have all the rights in the world, as long as you don't exercise them. That would just be criminal. *rolls eyes*

You know, the world today reminds me of Catch-22 - you have all the rights in the world, as long as you don't exercise them. That would just be criminal. *rolls eyes*

But you can, you just explained how yourself, just dont be criminal.

Oi, peopleandstuff, what you reading for?
Well when I went to school they insisted on making me literate! Darn government and their literacy and insistence on freedom of speech, and their failure to make being called a name a legal defense in cases of assault.....where will the government stop....low unemployment, universal health care....? ;)

Are you suggesting that addressing your statements one by one is an invalid form of debate?
But look at the bright side, if the nefarious government hadnt insisted on making me literate, I wouldnt have been able to read this gem....obviously addressing statements one by one cannot be any more a valid form of debate, than legal tender is a valid form of payment for goods and services......., I mean really what kind of person thinks addressing the points made by someone is a valid form of debating, isnt proper debating where you just call names, and then bash each other?

Yes I think its OK, rude people deserve nothing less, their a pox on social graces and deserve anything they get.
You can think whatever you like about it, the law still disagrees. If you bash someone for calling you a name you are a criminal. But hey if you dont like the laws of the land, you can always take your own advice...

Something protesters never do, of course not you, your one of the peaceful ones arent you, and you of course comdemn all violent protests and protesters blablabla right?
Let me warn you in case you happen to think 'they do it' is a legal defense, just like 'they called me a name', 'they do it' is not a legal defense. With regards to some protestors also being criminals, well some league players like to stick their finger up your 'whats-it' mid tackle, by your rationale you would deny doing so, but as a league player that's just what we would expect you to say...cleary if some protestors are criminals all are, and if some league players get a thrill out of sticking their finger in another guy's anus....

Like you wont tolerate any dissent of your marches or reasons for them ?
I do better than tolerate freedom of expression, I applaud it.

Yes its strange that protesters wanting peace have no problem with baying for George Bushes and other peoples blood, and dont tell me again how you guys disaprove so much of violent protesters and protests, because if you did you wouldnt allow your so called peaceful protests to become a stage for them so easily
Probably no more strange than the fact that some police commit crimes, many Christians dont know how to turn the other check, not all doctors refrain from smoking cigarettes, etc. And do you think you could get over the 'you guys' thing, every time you assume that people who support freedom of expression must automatically be people who take part in protests where violence occurs, or even that they regularily protest at all, you just make a bigger fool of yourself.

Because their bored idiots who like attention?
Wow who would have thought that at an average age of 55-65 people would still need so much attention that they would take to their wheel chairs in all kinds of weather taking their banners with them...such a coincidence that they only did so when their pensions were under threat...may I ask who was giving the grey power protestors attention before and after the period of time when their pensions came under threat, or did they just have more exciting pass times and thus were not so bored prior and post to the time when their pensions came under threat and they took to protesting in the streets in large numbers...

Its called group courage, the only courage protesters really have, despite all the high and noble opinions they have of themselves.

Of course those WWII vets marching in the grey power protests have no courage at all, which explains how they survived fighting in a war including at Gallipoli....

Protestors deserve to be treated harshly because they have ceased to be protests when they're in violation of the law
law abiding citizens deserve to be treated harshly because they have ceased to be law abiding when they're in violation of the law....if someone is not a protester (having ceased to be one) why should those who still are protestors (and by the definition you have implicitly mooted are law abiding) be treated harshly...? Your assertion is in logical terms fatally flawed.

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Originally Posted by Waldenropt
ITS PEAPLE LIKE YOU THAT DESERVE TO BE TREATED HARSHLY THERE PAL.



People.
Termie, given your grammer and spelling, you really are asking to be hit over the head with that one....

I dont sue, just correct
Then I invite you to self correct all your own posts before you worry about someone else's typo...

But you can, you just explained how yourself, just dont be criminal.
May I ask why you are telling others not to behave criminally while advocating your own right to do so?

=Peopleandstuff]
Let me warn you in case you happen to think 'they do it' is a legal defense, just like 'they called me a name', 'they do it' is not a legal defense.


No really, thanks I'll try to remember that.



With regards to some protestors also being criminals, well some league players like to stick their finger up your 'whats-it' mid tackle, by your rationale you would deny doing so, but as a league player that's just what we would expect you to say...cleary if some protestors are criminals all are, and if some league players get a thrill out of sticking their finger in another guy's anus....

Ah I hate to be the one to break it to you but that rarely happens in League, before you shriek John Hopate at me, hes about the only high profile league player that was doing it, and hes a basket case, good guy and top player, but never the less.

I do better than tolerate freedom of expression, I applaud it.

Great I believe all violent protesters should be deported to an Island and kept there indefinitely, thanks for the applause.


Probably no more strange than the fact that some police commit crimes, many Christians dont know how to turn the other check

Right that must be great sport with someone like you, um are you a Christian hater, Its allright you can say so if you are, its PC so your covered.



And do you think you could get over the 'you guys' thing, every time you assume that people who support freedom of expression must automatically be people who take part in protests where violence occurs, or even that they regularily protest at all, you just make a bigger fool of yourself.

Im referring to people who protest violently and people like yourself who seem to covertly support it by not condemning it.
By all means express your freedom of opinion no matter how stupid it looks and sounds, or so you dont go off on another tangent about how all people expressing their freedom of opinion on Issues according to me sounds stupid, whether their incredibly smart and brilliant as well.
Just dont get violent or support violence from other protesters who break the law, and to cover more tired and walked over ground with you, just go do it in the park.


Wow who would have thought that at an average age of 55-65 people would still need so much attention that they would take to their wheel chairs in all kinds of weather taking their banners with them...such a coincidence that they only did so when their pensions were under threat...may I ask who was giving the grey power protestors attention before and after the period of time when their pensions came under threat, or did they just have more exciting pass times and thus were not so bored prior and post to the time when their pensions came under threat and they took to protesting in the streets in large numbers...

Oh yeah and like those old dearies are just terrifying arent they, dont jump to something thats not even part of the issue, just so even you can comprehend Ill say it clearly so there is no more confusion, I have no problem with protesters in general, provided they keep out of my face, I mighten like how they hold traffic up or agree with their opinion, but Im not going to go ballistic on them for it.
The ones I do have a problem with are protesters who use violence and encourage others to do it, are we crystal yet?


Of course those WWII vets marching in the grey power protests have no courage at all, which explains how they survived fighting in a war including at Gallipoli....

Right so guys who actually do have courage go protest, so this according to you automatically gives courage status to everyone else who protests.

And Gallipoli was in 1915 not WW2.



May I ask why you are telling others not to behave criminally while advocating your own right to do so?


My right to self defence comes before what the law deems is assault or not, so you understand, if protesters want to harrass me from across the street or in passing, I just laugh them off, but if they want to get in my face then they have crossed the line into my personal space and then thats intimidation with possible intention to assault which naturally I'll defend myself against by knocking them out.

Whereas on the other hand you seem to have no huge problem with protesters using violence to promote their noble causes.

Ah I hate to be the one to break it to you but that rarely happens in League, before you shriek John Hopate at me, hes about the only high profile league player that was doing it, and hes a basket case, good guy and top player, but never the less.
Are you suggesting that outside the top-level it's a common occurance? As it happens the fact that Hopate's behaviour is not the norm for league players is no revelation to me. My point is in the logical form you presented which is that some protestors are criminal, ergo all protestors are criminal. I note that when applied to a group which you belong to you quickly see the fallacy. Well the thing about logic is it's consistency. If the form of an argument is invalid, no matter what set of facts you apply it to, the argument is still invalid.

Great I believe all violent protesters should be deported to an Island and kept there indefinitely, thanks for the applause.
Aha, and despite my insistence that you have every right to express, I think your opinion is a particulary stupid one.

Right that must be great sport with someone like you, um are you a Christian hater, Its allright you can say so if you are, its PC so your covered.
The only premise I can see for such a conclusion would also imply that I am a hater of police, and doctors also. As it happens I have teachers who are stupid, so by your (incorrect) reasoning I must also hate teachers, in fact I cant think of a single group that does not contain individual's who's behaviour at times is contrary to the ideology or purpose of that group, so by your logic I would hate everyone (myself included since I belong to many namable typographies). Please reconsider those comments that suggest you invest some time in coming to terms with logic.
Evidently, what are the defining characteristics of someone like me (in terms of actually saying something as opposed to name calling and throwing insults not backed up by legitimate premises).

Im referring to people who protest violently and people like yourself who seem to covertly support it by not condemning it.

You keep posting here, so I would have to presume you are literate...I can only suggest you go and re-read my posts again. You will find that I consistently condemn all law breaking be it by those who happen to be protesting, or by league players who cant hack being called a name.

By all means express your freedom of opinion no matter how stupid it looks and sounds,
Exactly, after it seems to be working out ok for you.

Just dont get violent or support violence from other protesters who break the law, and to cover more tired and walked over ground with you, just go do it in the park.
As you will note if you care to read I have consistently stated that any law breaking should be dealt with according to the law. It's somewhat ironic that you are now rabbiting on about covered ground, whilst basically telling me that I should hold the view that I have been suggesting you take up (aside from the park thing).

Oh yeah and like those old dearies are just terrifying arent they,
According to your assertions throughout this thread they are dangerous, troublemaking, out for attention, cowards, and should be run over, bashed, shipped to a shark surrounded island and ought to leave the country they have fought for, supported with taxes their whole working life, and which has always been their home, because they are protestors. Grab a dictionary if you still think protestor means anything other than persons who are engaged in the activity known as protest.

dont jump to something thats not even part of the issue, just so even you can comprehend Ill say it clearly so there is no more confusion, I have no problem with protesters in general, provided they keep out of my face,
I suggest you re-read all your comments then, you have clearly misrepresented your view, and then continued to do so despite even when it was pointed out that people understood your comments to be referring to the law abiding. In fact so far as I can ascertain your last post implyed that there were no such thing as peaceful protestors, that people just said they were peaceful even though they were not...

provided they keep out of my face
so far as I am aware your face is not entitled to any more or less protection than the next persons...now I'm sure it's a very nice face and all, and that you and your loved ones are fond of it, but the same can be said of with regards to most peoples' faces.

The ones I do have a problem with are protesters who use violence and encourage others to do it, are we crystal yet?
I really cant speak for you, but your posts have done a great job of representing a view entirely out of step with your current assertion. May I ask why you were ever disagreeing with me since my position is that people have the right to freedom of expression so long as they do so lawfully, if you have no problem with with protestors who not not break the law for instance by using violence. Since the only assertions I have made have been in support of lawful expression (which by definition precludes violent behaviour), you either entirely did not understand what you were reading, or you argued against a point of view you dont disagree with, or you have changed your mind, or you are lying about your point of view. Either way the confusion appears to belong entirely to you.

Right so guys who actually do have courage go protest, so this according to you automatically gives courage status to everyone else who protests.
May I inquire why you can see that the form some of group X = A, therefore all X's are As is invalid when applied to league players and fingers up bums, or courage and protestors, but not when applied to violence and protestors? Evidently I dont need to prove that all protestors have courage to refute your claim, I only need prove that one does to prove that your conclusion is unsound.

And Gallipoli was in 1915 not WW2.
Aha, but my comment should have read WW vets not WWII, although actually the numbers of those who were veterans of the earlier of the two wars (and that were involved in the protests referred to) were significantly lower.

My right to self defence comes before what the law deems is assault or not,
Says you, which makes you no better than the protestors who think that their right to express themselves becomes before what the law deems is lawful, since some of these protestors are protesting in defence of what they perceive as being rights, then their protest a form of self defense, but I maintain that this gives them no right to act unlawfully, and neither does your claim that someone called you a name give you any moral or legal excuse to bash people.

so you understand, if protesters want to harrass me from across the street or in passing, I just laugh them off,
Which is probably the most annoying thing you could do to them, plus is a form of expression in its own right.

I just laugh them off, but if they want to get in my face then they have crossed the line into my personal space
What does getting in your face mean, calling you a name, standing too close to you in the bank? The fact is you have asserted you believe you have the right to bash people for doing nothing more than making some articulate sounds. Now whether or not you like it most people consider this unacceptable behaviour, so unacceptable in fact that there are laws against it.

and then thats intimidation with possible intention to assault which naturally I'll defend myself against by knocking them out.
If someone simply calling you a name incites you to physical violence because in your mind it is so intimidating, then I suggest you toughen up....gee, they dont make league players like they used to...

Whereas on the other hand you seem to have no huge problem with protesters using violence to promote their noble causes.
Whereas on every hand you appear to be in desperate need of a reading remedial program...