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Does anyone here sympathize with osama?

Note to Americans to say yes to this the government IS watching you, you will be shot on the spot wuahahahaha...

go on say yes

I am Ashcroft.

I'm Batman!

I don't sympathize with that no-talent hack Osama, nor do I like Dubya. They ought to put the two of them in a cage with robots and have them fight to the death; winner gets a fair trial.

What if the robots win?

What if the robots win?
We become cyborgs and let them rule us.

I sympathize with is cause (to remove US force form the muslim holy groud (Saudi Arabia)Not that i'm muslim or anything but I would want foreign troops of land I hold dear ether). But how he is do so can not be for given. and on the point I agree with Ice hockey player.

If by sympathize you mean are understanding, if not in agreement with his stand against the US, then Yes, i sympathize.

If you mean support his means to his end, no. Mostly because he is doing a bad job ;)

I believe that osama should be punnished for his crimes but that sudam hussain was used as a scapegoat so that george bush could get his hands on Iraq's oil

By the way:

Do you know the top 3 countries when sorted by ammounts of unharvested oil?

1=Suadi Arabia (gives U.S.A. Millions of dollars every year)
2=Afghanistan (first country attacked by Bush's "War on terror)
3=Iraq (second country attacked by Bush's "War on terror)

Also Did you know that George Bush OWNS a oil company

And that saudi arabia decapitates heads and removes hands of prisoners for petty crimes such as theft?

I believe that osama should be punnished for his crimes but that sudam hussain was used as a scapegoat so that george bush could get his hands on Iraq's oil

By the way:

Do you know the top 3 countries when sorted by ammounts of unharvested oil?

1=Suadi Arabia (gives U.S.A. Millions of dollars every year)
2=Afghanistan (first country attacked by Bush's "War on terror)
3=Iraq (second country attacked by Bush's "War on terror)

Also Did you know that George Bush OWNS a oil company

And that saudi arabia decapitates heads and removes hands of prisoners for petty crimes such as theft?

anyone who thinks that iraq was/is about anything other than oil has fallen victim to the current administration's scare tactics. and from what i've heard, americans are the only ones in the country who think it's about anything other than that 3-letter word.

1=Suadi Arabia (gives U.S.A. Millions of dollars every year)
2=Afghanistan (first country attacked by Bush's "War on terror)
3=Iraq (second country attacked by Bush's "War on terror)


funny thing is that Canada has more oil than any of those nations, its just all trapped in the oilsands and is much, much harder and more expnsive to refine.

looks like we're next

;)

No shit, man.

Operation Iraqi Liberation.

funny thing is that Canada has more oil than any of those nations, its just all trapped in the oilsands and is much, much harder and more expnsive to refine.

looks like we're next

;)

I had thought that Russia had more "untapped" oil reserves then any of the 3 countries listed. Where did he get his source that the top 3 were SA, Iraq and Afganistan?

I sympathize with is cause (to remove US force form the muslim holy groud (Saudi Arabia)Not that i'm muslim or anything but I would want foreign troops of land I hold dear ether). But how he is do so can not be for given. and on the point I agree with Ice hockey player.
Why is all of saudi muslim holy ground? What happens at the borders? Those borders weren't drawn in the koran. Radical islamists like osama see any ground that was ever ruled by islam as islamic land. By their reasoning, spain is occupying muslim holy ground.

I believe that osama should be punnished for his crimes but that sudam hussain was used as a scapegoat so that george bush could get his hands on Iraq's oil

By the way:

Do you know the top 3 countries when sorted by ammounts of unharvested oil?

1=Suadi Arabia (gives U.S.A. Millions of dollars every year)
2=Afghanistan (first country attacked by Bush's "War on terror)
3=Iraq (second country attacked by Bush's "War on terror)

Also Did you know that George Bush OWNS a oil company

And that saudi arabia decapitates heads and removes hands of prisoners for petty crimes such as theft?
Afghanistan has oil? that's a new one on me. I guess we went in there for the oil, rather than to try to kill the people who are trying to slaughter our civillians.

And that saudi arabia decapitates heads and removes hands of prisoners for petty crimes such as theft?

Everyone knows Saddam was horrible to the Kurds, but anyone bother to see how our "ally" Turkey treats them? Not much better IMO.

I don't sympathise with osama...but a war on terror is simply insane!!!!

Think about it.. the government/s involved are fighting a tool not a person. While this tool is used by the unjust to muscle-up to the big dog's in the yard,
or in order to show what they are capable of ( to get the west's attention ),
you can't win a war against a principle or tool.

In Islam (I think) to give your life in defence of your religion and your people is the highest honour.

I wise one once said " In the fight of the spirit against the sword...The spirit wins out ". You can't beat that unless the governments of the west change their tactics. Otherwise their efforts will cause pain and sufferring for both races. Here's a visual demonstration= :headbang: :headbang:

See what I mean.

Afghanistan has oil? that's a new one on me. I guess we went in there for the oil, rather than to try to kill the people who are trying to slaughter our civillians.

Not oil, Opium!

The Iraq war was a stupid move. I never supported it, but the war in Afghanistan was necessary. I am voting against bush in part because Iraq took money and resources away from the real war on terror.

I don't sympathise with osama...but a war on terror is simply insane!!!!

Think about it.. the government/s involved are fighting a tool not a person. While this tool is used by the unjust to muscle-up to the big dog's in the yard,
or in order to show what they are capable of ( to get the west's attention ),
you can't win a war against a principle or tool.

In Islam (I think) to give your life in defence of your religion and your people is the highest honour.

I wise one once said " In the fight of the spirit against the sword...The spirit wins out ". You can't beat that unless the governments of the west change their tactics. Otherwise their efforts will cause pain and sufferring for both races. Here's a visual demonstration= :headbang: :headbang:

See what I mean.
So what do you propose? Let the islamists kill people at will? Killing them is the best way to protect ourselves.

Did you know that the USA gave money to Osama!

Did you know that the USA gave money to Osama!
sure. when he was fighting the soviets. how does he repay us?

I disagree with any fundamentalists or extremist of any religion. Osama included ( duh), but John Ahcroft just as much, and Dubya to a lesser degree. His two great goals ( the beef with america and the re-muslification of saudi arabia) are so religiously based that it pains me ( I am an atheist since I knew I could be, and this is why strict religious indoctrinations piss me off)

Just my two cents. Osama he's a crazy guy who's probably already dead because its tough dragging a dialysis machine through the world. If you've never seen one before its kinda like plasma machines, just w/ better filters.

Secondly I've never understood why this president wants democracy in the middle east. We've never wanted democracy throughout the world...we just didnt want Communism. We toppled a stable and socially progressive democracy in Iran so they could have the Shah, who eventually led to the revolution of 79 or was it 78, anyhoo. America is just the only colonial power left and the world hates it. We are there to change what we want unfortunately at the expense of civilians and our friends in combat.

/bumper stickers for the election year

Bush & Cheney 1984 War is Peace
These colors don't run...the world.

My research into islamic terrorism has convinced me that they are not motivated by politics or economics, they are motivated by a hatefull version of islam that says they are entitled to impose their law and their religion on the world. God told them so. You can't argue with such people. Best to just kill them.

Just my two cents. Osama he's a crazy guy who's probably already dead because its tough dragging a dialysis machine through the world. If you've never seen one before its kinda like plasma machines, just w/ better filters.

Secondly I've never understood why this president wants democracy in the middle east. We've never wanted democracy throughout the world...we just didnt want Communism. We toppled a stable and socially progressive democracy in Iran so they could have the Shah, who eventually led to the revolution of 79 or was it 78, anyhoo. America is just the only colonial power left and the world hates it. We are there to change what we want unfortunately at the expense of civilians and our friends in combat.

/bumper stickers for the election year

Bush & Cheney 1984 War is Peace
These colors don't run...the world.
How can we be a collonial power when we have no collonies?

So what do you propose? Let the islamists kill people at will? Killing them is the best way to protect ourselves.

what exactly do you mean with "islamists?" Yoou racist freak im going to carve your insides and feed them to your mother.
Ok, how about I make it simplee for you with other generalizations. Salem And Osama Bin Laden Together donated 1.2 million buck to harvard, so lets kill, instead of the muslims, all those who give money to Ivy League schools. Or, how about this one, Osama is worth about $ 36 Million, so, it was not only and "islamist" ( the proper word is muslim, you cokehead) but also a multi millionare. So lets round up anyone with over 10 million and lock em up in guantamo bay, huh? no trial by jury, no nuttin? how does that sound mr ashcroft?

So what do you propose? Let the islamists kill people at will? Killing them is the best way to protect ourselves.
A better education and infrastructure is the best way to stop terrorism. Let the people think for themselves and there won't be as many terrorist. Killing them only widens the neverending donward spiral.

i think some "insurgents" are running iraq more efficiently than the "liberators"

and i don't care the american govenment is tracking me now i as i am a communist anyway

but terrorist attacks are what i fight against and they are the scum of the earth

How can we be a collonial power when we have no collonies?

Don't need to actually own a place to be a colonial power. What it implies is that we are the regional power. The one who influences the region, has the might and money to do as we wish and uses these places as natural resource dumps. The world is our colony they just haven't bowed down yet.

Prepare for the invasion of canada, eh?

what exactly do you mean with "islamists?" Yoou racist freak im going to carve your insides and feed them to your mother.
Ok, how about I make it simplee for you with other generalizations. Salem And Osama Bin Laden Together donated 1.2 million buck to harvard, so lets kill, instead of the muslims, all those who give money to Ivy League schools. Or, how about this one, Osama is worth about $ 36 Million, so, it was not only and "islamist" ( the proper word is muslim, you cokehead) but also a multi millionare. So lets round up anyone with over 10 million and lock em up in guantamo bay, huh? no trial by jury, no nuttin? how does that sound mr ashcroft?
1 Racist? When did I mention any race?
2 Islamist is a term commonly used to describe organizations that want to spread islam through violent means.
3 Carve out my insides? Come on over. Meet me at 1204 rt 130 north in Cinnaminson NJ. I'd like to see you try.
4 My beef isn't with muslims in general. Only with islamists. you pig-fucking shit-eater.

Hateful visions caused by wars, destructions of their homes and death of their families then Osamas propaganda tells them the West is the cause of all their problems(which it sort of is).

A better education and infrastructure is the best way to stop terrorism. Let the people think for themselves and there won't be as many terrorist. Killing them only widens the neverending donward spiral.
That prevents new terrorists from arising. the existing ones need to be exterminated.

Don't need to actually own a place to be a colonial power. What it implies is that we are the regional power. The one who influences the region, has the might and money to do as we wish and uses these places as natural resource dumps. The world is our colony they just haven't bowed down yet.

Prepare for the invasion of canada, eh?
They are sovereign countries. They can, and often do, tell us to fuck off. Other nations only cooperate when it is in their interests to do so.

Not oil, Opium!
well, heres the thing, afghanistan may have opioum, I dunno, but their neck-deep in heroin. Back be4 osama but still during Bush, afghanistan agreed to cut their poppy crop plantations ( as part of the war on drugs) in order to have the gvt allow enron and other oil companis inside to build a pipeline, a deal which was worth hundreds of billions to the taliban. So, the taliban cut the poppy crop ( which they produced 75% of the total amount in the whole world) but: a) still had undocumented plantations b) had gigantic stockpiles of the thing saved up. And what happens when you cut the supply drastically of and in demand substance? Prices skyrocket, the kilo went from around $40 to around $700, making the taliban billions of dollars. Then osama crashed the planes, enron and halliburton backed off, and the taliban fell, but they ran off as bilionares, tahnks to the heroin.

Do you know the top 3 countries when sorted by ammounts of unharvested oil?

1=Suadi Arabia (gives U.S.A. Millions of dollars every year)
2=Afghanistan (first country attacked by Bush's "War on terror)
3=Iraq (second country attacked by Bush's "War on terror)
Uh, no. Afghanistan isn't second in the world for oil reserves. I don't think it even appears in the top 10.

BTW: I think it's more along the lines of the U.S. giving the Saudis millions of dollars every year.

That prevents new terrorists from arising. the existing ones need to be exterminated.
You need to educate them before you can eliminate the curent batch of terrorist. If you kill present terrorist, their children will grow hating you. Then you'll want to kill them next. You have to build infrastructure and they will figure out that the bombs are not the only way and they will, in time, help you root out terrorist cells.

They are sovereign countries. They can, and often do, tell us to fuck off. Other nations only cooperate when it is in their interests to do so.

And then we invade them or cause a regime change. Once again don't need to actually own a place to be the power there. Though technically the US looks down upon CIA sponsored coups. I'm sure we still have our hand out there in some countries to leaders who are more 'sympathetic' to the US needs and wants. Typically people that give us what we want we leave alone, unless we think a lot of people will die then we wont invade. Vietnam was too much of a career ender for a President to try it again...though Bush did take a stance on Taiwan. First president to do that in a long time. At least China has be good until 2008 so we have a repreive until then.

How can we be a collonial power when we have no collonies?

See, but thats where the genious (sp) lies in our way of doing things. We don't take colonies, per se. What we do is attack countires and install goverments that are sympethetic to us. That way, we dont have to actually RUN the countires, or take the blame when things go wrong. And when someone accuses us of being a collonial power, we can say "but look, no colonies!" However, by having these puppet goverments we can still get cheep oil, food, and other products.

Oh, and another thing - we also have protectorits (sp) which are tied to America, but arent actually states. Sounds a bit like a colony to me...

EDIT: I guess someone already said this. Ah well...

well, heres the thing, afghanistan may have opioum, I dunno, but their neck-deep in heroin. Back be4 osama but still during Bush, afghanistan agreed to cut their poppy crop plantations ( as part of the war on drugs) in order to have the gvt allow enron and other oil companis inside to build a pipeline, a deal which was worth hundreds of billions to the taliban. So, the taliban cut the poppy crop ( which they produced 75% of the total amount in the whole world) but: a) still had undocumented plantations b) had gigantic stockpiles of the thing saved up. And what happens when you cut the supply drastically of and in demand substance? Prices skyrocket, the kilo went from around $40 to around $700, making the taliban billions of dollars. Then osama crashed the planes, enron and halliburton backed off, and the taliban fell, but they ran off as bilionares, tahnks to the heroin.
Heroin is made from opium, asshole. It's diacetyl morphine. the morphine comes from opium poppies.

You need to educate them before you can eliminate the curent batch of terrorist. If you kill present terrorist, their children will grow hating you. Then you'll want to kill them next. You have to build infrastructure and they will figure out that the bombs are not the only way and they will, in time, help you root out terrorist cells.
I agree.

The war on terror is a joke but few people seem bright enough to see it. First complete and utter lie made by the Bush's government is that Iraq had something to do with 9/11 catastrophy. Intriquingly the bulk of the plane highjackers were U.S.'s close middle east allies; saudis... Wonder, knowing this, Bush didn't raid Saudi Arabia. Back to the subject however. Iraq was never a fanatic islamistic country but mr Bush has along with destabilizing the country and making many ordinary iraqi people turn to really hate U.S. Terrorism in the occupied Iraq has shot sky high within one year and after the U.S. military leaves the country, it might be facing a civil war and at worst case scenario turn into another Iran or pre-war Afganistan ruled by low headed religious fanatics who make the historic spanish inquisition look like choir boys. Along side with this, Bush has left a clear message to fanatics and dictatorships of the world: "Only way you can keep the U.S. from invading is to own a respectable weapons of mass destruction".

Oh well. At least Bush and his rich friends at oil companies will be happy getting some more dime to their purse with only sacrificing some poor vermin sent back from Iraq in coffins and destabilizing the world safety. Way to go.

Does anyone here sympathize with osama?


Of course I sympathize with Osama. All of those other fine upstanding muslims got to martyr themselves and go to live in paradise with Allah and there he is stuck in his cave with wall-to-wall roaches and a dialysis machine.


It's just not fair!


I mean - if anyone deserves to go to Allah - it's certainly him!

:sniper:

The war on terror is a joke but few people seem bright enough to see it. First complete and utter lie made by the Bush's government is that Iraq had something to do with 9/11 catastrophy. Intriquingly the bulk of the plane highjackers were U.S.'s close middle east allies; saudis... Wonder, knowing this, Bush didn't raid Saudi Arabia. Back to the subject however. Iraq was never a fanatic islamistic country but mr Bush has along with destabilizing the country and making many ordinary iraqi people turn to really hate U.S. Terrorism in the occupied Iraq has shot sky high within one year and after the U.S. military leaves the country, it might be facing a civil war and at worst case scenario turn into another Iran or pre-war Afganistan ruled by low headed religious fanatics who make the historic spanish inquisition look like choir boys. Along side with this, Bush has left a clear message to fanatics and dictatorships of the world: "Only way you can keep the U.S. from invading is to own a respectable weapons of mass destruction".

Oh well. At least Bush and his rich friends at oil companies will be happy getting some more dime to their purse with only sacrificing some poor vermin sent back from Iraq in coffins and destabilizing the world safety. Way to go.
Only bush and his boys classify the Iraq war as part of the war on terror. The real war on terror is going on at the Afghan/Paki border, in the southern Phillipines against Abu Sayaf, and other little hotspots around the world. The Iraq war was a stupid mistake on the part of the bush regime, and it will cost him his presidency.

and it will cost him his presidency.
It better
Heres the oil figures http://www.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/facts/favorites/fcvt_fotw201.shtml

Osama Bin Laden is a terrorist to the United States because he seeks to destroy our society and our way of life because he hates it. However, the US terrorizes the Middle East and other countries world-wide. We terrorize Cuba by putting trade embargos on their country. We terrorize Iraqi civilians by "accidentally" bombing their homes while trying to root out "terrorists." We terrorize countless nations by bullying them into following us. Iraq may have been a warning to terrorists and dictatorial regimes world-wide, but it also gave every other sovereign nation on earth a reason to hate and fear the US. If we could defy the UN, invade Iraq, and then have the reasons for invasion be false, who knows what other countries it could happen to?

Does anyone here sympathize with osama?

The man, no. The cause, yes.

Osama Bin Laden is a terrorist to the United States because he seeks to destroy our society and our way of life because he hates it.

No he doesn't. Stop listening to Bush propoganda and the CNN "bit and piece" excerpts from translations of video footage.

Unless you were being sarcastic, then never mind.

The man, no. The cause, yes.
What cause? The spread of sharia law through violent means?

No he doesn't. Stop listening to Bush propoganda and the CNN "bit and piece" excerpts from translations of video footage.

Unless you were being sarcastic, then never mind.
So you don't think he hates our way of life? The fact that christians and jews and atheists can live as equals with muslims? Of course he hates that. He also hates that people are free to blaspheme allah and the prophet here. His goal is to weaken the US so that he can topple the governments of muslim nations and install islamist theocracies.

What cause? The spread of sharia law through violent means?

The creation of a Palestinian State, which has been blocked at every turn by the US. Stopping the US from the systematic and deliberate destruction of the Muslim world.

I'd say those are perfectly valid causes.

The man, himself, is a bit off his rocker. Unfortunately, desperate times call for desperate measures. If he were a white Christian, he wouldn't be called a terrorist ... Tim McVeigh was certainly never labelled a terrorist. In some cases, if he were a white Christian, Osama would be called a "freedom fighter".

The fact that christians and jews and atheists can live as equals with muslims?

BUWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!! You've obviously never been a Jew in the Southern US. You've also obviously never been a non-white Muslim anywhere in the US since 9/11/01. Your Fox News blinders are showing.

He also hates that people are free to blaspheme allah and the prophet here. His goal is to weaken the US so that he can topple the governments of muslim nations and install islamist theocracies.

He has never once said either of those things. Never once.

The creation of a Palestinian State, which has been blocked at every turn by the US. Stopping the US from the systematic and deliberate destruction of the Muslim world.

I'd say those are perfectly valid causes.

The man, himself, is a bit off his rocker. Unfortunately, desperate times call for desperate measures. If he were a white Christian, he wouldn't be called a terrorist ... Tim McVeigh was certainly never labelled a terrorist. In some cases, if he were a white Christian, Osama would be called a "freedom fighter".
Osama isn't fighting for palestine. Although he would love to see the jews in Israel slaughtered. He's fighting for territorial conquest for islam. He makes references to Al Andalus in his speeches for fuck's sake! This guy wants to reclaim territory that his religion lost in 1492!

/9The creation of a Palestinian State, which has been blocked at every turn by the US. Stopping the US from the systematic and deliberate destruction of the Muslim world.

I'd say those are perfectly valid causes.

The man, himself, is a bit off his rocker. Unfortunately, desperate times call for desperate measures. If he were a white Christian, he wouldn't be called a terrorist ... Tim McVeigh was certainly never labelled a terrorist. In some cases, if he were a white Christian, Osama would be called a "freedom fighter".
Destruction of the muslim world? Please provide an example of us destroying the muslim world pre 9/11.

He makes references to Al Andalus in his speeches for fuck's sake! This guy wants to reclaim territory that his religion lost in 1492!

So do Native Americans ... what's your point?

BUWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!! You've obviously never been a Jew in the Southern US. You've also obviously never been a non-white Muslim anywhere in the US since 9/11/01. Your Fox News blinders are showing.



He has never once said either of those things. Never once.
I don't watch fox news. I also live in a very racially and culturally diverse area, New Jersey. There haven't been an appreciable number of hate crimes vs. muslims here. Not like oh, let's say pakistan, where christian women are routinely arrested for "lewdness" after they complain about being raped, and then are gang-raped by their prison guards.

Destruction of the muslim world? Please provide an example of us destroying the muslim world pre 9/11.

How about the practically giving away of biological and chemical weapons to secular Iraq so that they could destroy Muslim Iran?

So do Native Americans ... what's your point?
He can't have it. If he wants to fight a war over it, we have to kick his ass.

My research into islamic terrorism has convinced me that they are not motivated by politics or economics, they are motivated by a hatefull version of islam that says they are entitled to impose their law and their religion on the world. God told them so. You can't argue with such people. Best to just kill them.

What about those right-wing christian fundamentalist groups in the US . who want to "impose their law and their religion on the world. God told them so"?? I believe Dubya supports them. Kill them too????

How about the practically giving away of biological and chemical weapons to secular Iraq so that they could destroy Muslim Iran?
France gave them a fucking nuclear breeder reactor. Bin Laden doesn't give a shit about Iran, they are shia. Apostates worthy of death in his eyes. They are the equivalent of polytheists because they have "saints" that they refer to as Imams. In sunni islam Imam is a prayer leader. to a shia it's like a saint. Imam ali shrine is the saint ali shrine.

What about those right-wing christian fundamentalist groups in the US . who want to "impose their law and their religion on the world. God told them so"?? I believe Dubya supports them. Kill them too????
Only when they slaughter 3000 civillians in one day. so far the christian fundies here in the states have been pretty peacefull.

I dug this up from an old post of mine in the UN Forum (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=309784). Most of it is still relevant here.
Who are the terrorists, exactly? Did you ever pause to ask that question?

Definition One: one who uses violence, torture, or physical intimidation to achieve one's ends, esp. one's political ends.

Definition Two: one of an unofficial or loosely organized group of soldiers who stage unconventional or surprise attacks against an enemy.

See the difference? Not much of one, is there? Here's the thing, though - #1 is a definiton of terrorist. #2 can be a definition of the following:

Freedom fighter, devotee, sympathizer, Jacobin, radical, revolutionary, extremist, nonconformist, Maquis, agitator, anarchist, ultra, fanatic, True Believer, sectarian, partisan, guerrilla, insurgent, irregular, disciple, Young Turk

Which is the terrorist? The anti-abortionist who bombs a clinic, or an abortion doctor who performs the procedure? Depends on which side of the aisle you sit on, doesn't it?

Is this a terrorist? This guy sneaks into enemy territory and kills the head of the intelligence agency with a sniper rifle. His name? Bond. James Bond.

Terrorism depends on which side you are on. Terror is a weapon used by the weak against the mighty. It's fine to condemn terror when you're one of the mighty ... but it's another thing when beleagered Freedom Fighters are struggling to bring medical supplies into your plague-ridden country, while the evil empire that is your enemy bombs your cities and kills your countrymen.

You want to fight acts of terror? Fine. Define them as such. Figure out which actual acts offend the international sensibility, and condemn those. As long as you let yourselves be ruled by the word terrorism and ignore the acts of terror, you deserve all the punative laws and abuse that get passed in that name.

I dug this up from an old post of mine in the UN Forum (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=309784). Most of it is still relevant here.
The weak can be totally wrong, and the mighty can be right. that's the case with Al Quaeda. They kill civillians to impose their twisted ideology on more and more of the world.

The weak can be totally wrong, and the mighty can be right. that's the case with Al Quaeda. They kill civillians to impose their twisted ideology on more and more of the world.
Thank you. Mr. Judge, Jury, and Executioner. I'll just go put away my debating shoes now.

Thank you. Mr. Judge, Jury, and Executioner. I'll just go put away my debating shoes now.
That's quite alright. I'm always glad to educate and enlighten.

Only when they slaughter 3000 civillians in one day. so far the christian fundies here in the states have been pretty peacefull.

So ... just killing around 100 is okie dokie?

They kill civillians to impose their twisted ideology on more and more of the world.

So does the US ....... point?

Only when they slaughter 3000 civillians in one day.

So...how many do the Coalition troops kill every day, I wonder.

So ... just killing around 100 is okie dokie?
I was using 9/11 as an example of the difference between christian fundies and al quaeda.

So does the US ....... point?
America isn't trying to impose any ideology. We don't go to saudi and tell them to stop cutting the hands off of thieves. We don't invade muslim countries to liberate their oppressed religious minorities, women, gays, etc. Perhaps we should. Our ideology is one of freedom, not theocracy.

So...how many do the Coalition troops kill every day, I wonder.
I never defended the war in Iraq. It's not part of the war on terror. I didn't vote for bush, and won't vote for him in the coming election. You are drawing a false comparison between the American people, who are pretty decent, and the terrorists like bin laden, who need killing.

America isn't trying to impose any ideology.... Perhaps we should. Our ideology is one of freedom, not theocracy.

No, it only wishes to impose regimes in order to protect business interests.

E.g. most of South America, The Middle East and Cuba.

You call that freedom?

So far the christian fundies here in the states have been pretty peacefull.

Peacefull? Two botched wars, attempted coups and a motion to constitutionalize sexual discrimination - I'd call that anything but peacefull.

America isn't trying to impose any ideology.

"You are either with us, or against us." George W. Bush, President of the United States.

Rather imposing, don't ya think?

No matter how many people you kill you will not kill the idea. The main prupose of terrorism...can you guess? FEAR. This is the meaning of "terror". As far as the masterminds of 9/11 are (whomever they may be - we still don't know) concerned it has worked. To stop terrorism you must show people that it doesn't work. You must extinguish the idea. Killing will not do this.

sure. when he was fighting the soviets. how does he repay us?
By making the oil and arms industry richer beyond even their wettests dreams.

No, it only wishes to impose regimes in order to protect business interests.

E.g. most of South America, The Middle East and Cuba.

You call that freedom?
The US hasn't imposed any regimes in south america. The shah was the last regime we imposed on the middle east. I don't agree with the cuban embargo, and won't try to defend it. As for our military involvement in central america, yeah, some things we did were shamefull, but deposing ortega in nicaragua was a good move. Removing noriega in panama was justified, just done way too late.

Peacefull? Two botched wars, attempted coups and a motion to constitutionalize sexual discrimination - I'd call that anything but peacefull.
Afghanistan was justified. I have already said that Iraq was not a justified war, and bush will lose the presidency over that one. The fundamentalist christians in the US don't attack the civillian populations nations simply because of their religious ideology. They're wrong, but they're fairly well behaved, unlike al quaeda.

"You are either with us, or against us." George W. Bush, President of the United States.

Rather imposing, don't ya think?
He wasn't lawfully elected, and he won't get a second term. When will al quaeda vote out bin laden and change their ways, I wonder?

Of course I sympathize with Osama. All of those other fine upstanding muslims got to martyr themselves and go to live in paradise with Allah and there he is stuck in his cave with wall-to-wall roaches and a dialysis machine.


It's just not fair!


I mean - if anyone deserves to go to Allah - it's certainly him!

:sniper:

*high fives Zeppistan!*

Amazing how the leaders never die for the cause -- just get ill-educated young idealists to do it for them......

what exactly do you mean with "islamists?" Yoou racist freak im going to carve your insides and feed them to your mother.
Ok, how about I make it simplee for you with other generalizations. Salem And Osama Bin Laden Together donated 1.2 million buck to harvard, so lets kill, instead of the muslims, all those who give money to Ivy League schools. Or, how about this one, Osama is worth about $ 36 Million, so, it was not only and "islamist" ( the proper word is muslim, you cokehead) but also a multi millionare. So lets round up anyone with over 10 million and lock em up in guantamo bay, huh? no trial by jury, no nuttin? how does that sound mr ashcroft?

Crackpie, if I catch you flaming on these forums again you will be issued with a temporary forum ban. Do I make myself clear? Consider this an official warning.

1 Racist? When did I mention any race?
2 Islamist is a term commonly used to describe organizations that want to spread islam through violent means.
3 Carve out my insides? Come on over. Meet me at 1204 rt 130 north in Cinnaminson NJ. I'd like to see you try.
4 My beef isn't with muslims in general. Only with islamists. you pig-fucking shit-eater.

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Guess I'll wait on my reply to him then. Shame ... he was actually being civil with me. That's ok, though.

I hven't got a shred of sypathy for Osama, but I have understanding, even a little sympathy for his pawns who are mostly poor muslim men.

Does anyone here sympathize with osama?

Well the Bush familly does with Osama's brothers in business.

I'm Batman!
I am Osama!

I mean....I am Spartakus! :D

Yes, osama is almost as awsome as THE GREAT MAO-ZE-DONG

My research into islamic terrorism has convinced me that they are not motivated by politics or economics, they are motivated by a hatefull version of islam that says they are entitled to impose their law and their religion on the world. God told them so. You can't argue with such people. Best to just kill them.

That is the way they view america, congrats you've become your enemy. (The greatest danger of hatred is the risk you will become it yourself)

Why is all of saudi muslim holy ground? What happens at the borders? Those borders weren't drawn in the koran. Radical islamists like osama see any ground that was ever ruled by islam as islamic land. By their reasoning, spain is occupying muslim holy ground.
I think it's the general area that's mosty within Saudi's border. and do keep in mind most muslim nations around to day were carved out after ww1 when the allie dismanted the ottoman empire so made they made the country around the region that is the muslim holy.

anyway it's just something I heard on the CBC.

Hi...
It´s funny how the war in Iraq has turned out, isn´t it??
It started out being a war against weapons of mass destruction, but in the end it turned out to be a war on fundementalist muslims. We of course all know that the oil played a very important part as well.
But consider this: When you look at the definition of fundamentalism, then U.S.A and the Americans are fundementalists. I kind of like that outlook. I think that the opression of the Iraqi people was to much, but I find it rather disturbing, that there is a whole lot of opression going on in the U.S.
Also, as my final point, I would like to draw attention to the fact, that the "U.S-lead coalition" was/is a coalition between America and some smaller exotic nations must people haven´t even heard about. The rest of the worlds larger nations: Russia, France and Germany (just to mention a few) think the idea of war in Iraq was farfetched, and the U.S got no help whatsoever from the U.N! U.S.A are the crazy fundementalists! And Tony Blair is a pussy for not being able to stand on his own two feet. He tried to save his dying political career, but ended up drawing a blanc.

I just want to apologize for spelling mistakes and so on, I am not a native english speaker, and this has been written in kind of a hurry :rolleyes:
Yours sincerely

The sheer number of urban legends, half-truths, and outright myths being referenced as fact in this thread is truly oustanding. My kudos to the propagandists!

I am especially moved by the concept that building infrastructures for third-world countries will somehow bring them around to the West's way of thinking. Well, it makes my bowels want to move, anyway...

Have we truly descended to "Peace Through Bribery?" For a nation which once proudly said to the Barbary pirates (guess who they were?) "Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute!", some of us have certainly fallen a long way.