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Personally, I think it's gone 'down-market' with far less emphasise on real isues and dismal comments and posts on subjects. Agree or disagree?

Has what got better/worse?!

what are you talking about?

Personally, I think it's gone 'down-market' with far less emphasise on real isues and dismal comments and posts on subjects. Agree or disagree?

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i think hes talking about the forum

Sorry, I have amended the question to make it clearer. Please vote.

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I suspect we agree, old timer.

Of course, it helps if you've been here at least a year.

As an RP'er, there has been a lot more n00bs around that do not know enough about how to conduct warfare.

As for the 'General' forums they are nothing more than hotbeds for the bacteria of liberalism to multiply.

As an RP'er, there has been a lot more n00bs around that do not know enough about how to conduct warfare.

As for the 'General' forums they are nothing more than hotbeds for the bacteria of liberalism to multiply.

LOL. Trust me when I say this: Most of the 'veterans' don't know how to cunduct warfare. *chuckle* Why do you think I stopped rping? I must admit, sometimes I get a good laugh out of watching them try...

"My ships fire 2100 anti-ship missiles at your fleet". *snort* Bwahahahahaha!!!!

As an RP'er, there has been a lot more n00bs around that do not know enough about how to conduct warfare.

As for the 'General' forums they are nothing more than hotbeds for the bacteria of liberalism to multiply.

Interesting you call liberalism a 'bacteria' rather than a decent and legal form of politics. I have noted the rise (again) in far right posters. Are they 'bacteria too?

Interesting you call liberalism a 'bacteria' rather than a decent and legal form of politics.

Hey, don't knock the bacteria. No bacteria in your intestine equals a very sick person. Conctruct a parallel metaphor involving the state and 'liberals' as you wish...

The forums have been shit for ages, although they're slightly better than they were earlier this year. The game itself is a lot better with all the new issues.

Interesting you call liberalism a 'bacteria' rather than a decent and legal form of politics. I have noted the rise (again) in far right posters. Are they 'bacteria too?
I take it, then, that you are one of the aforementioned "liberal bacteria"?
I wonder how liberal bacteria would work, though, do they for committees demanding the equal distribution of their hosts food?

Anyways, I'd say it has gotten better, because its becoming frivolous. Whats the point of life if all there is is arguing? Lets all try being sarcastic, mud-flinging, attention whores.

I take it, then, that you are one of the aforementioned "liberal bacteria"?
I wonder how liberal bacteria would work, though, do they for committees demanding the equal distribution of their hosts food?

Anyways, I'd say it has gotten better, because its becoming frivolous. Whats the point of life if all there is is arguing? Lets all try being sarcastic, mud-flinging, attention whores.

Nah, urgument is good, it gets people thinking......well, sometimes.

The forums have been shit for ages, although they're slightly better than they were earlier this year. The game itself is a lot better with all the new issues.
totally agreed. Best was way early. then it turned pure shit. its getting better i think.

Nah, urgument is good, it gets people thinking......well, sometimes.
But head-think make Hajekistan bran hert.

But head-think make Hajekistan bran hert.
Nah. You just ate your ice cream too fast. :)

NS now, just in the short time I've been here, has degraded into a flame-filled, spam-filled, ignorance-filled General forum, for sure.

I can't wait for the kids to go back to school. :D

it's gotten worse. we used to have entertaining posters and fun threads. and before anyone gets stupid, yes, i've been here over a year.

I can't wait for the kids to go back to school. :D

Oh yeah, the sooner, the better.

I'd say it's been mostly getting crappy over the last 12 months, but just recently it's gotten better because it's started getting back on the funny, less serious, but most importantly somewhat VARIED track. I was getting REALLY sick of a front page clogged with nothing but "Is homosexuality natural?", "Gay marriage", "My view of homosexuality", "Bush vs. Kerry", "Bush is an idiot", "Bush is a great president", "Who are you going to vote for?", "The Bible is against homosexuality", etc.

Of course, I come from the era when the "Last person to post here wins" thread was 600 pages long...

I was getting REALLY sick of a front page clogged with nothing but "Is homosexuality natural?", "Gay marriage", "My view of homosexuality", "Bush vs. Kerry", "Bush is an idiot", "Bush is a great president", "Who are you going to vote for?", "The Bible is against homosexuality", etc.


The emboldened subject particularly annoyed me, because every time I saw it I just wanted to shout "For whom are you going to vote?" at my monitor. I'm just irritatingly pedantic that way.

lol, i love to argue, but as has been mentioned all the posts are about "Who will you vote for" or some bullshit

if intelligent people want to talk about intellignet things, ill do it, but its just dumb people who dont understand politics beyond republicans and democrats trying to apply those ideals to situations that are much more complex than the american bi-polar... i mean bi-partisan electorial system.

Of course, I come from the era when the "Last person to post here wins" thread was 600 pages long...

And the days of the Volcano and Pet and Iki's and Normack, King of General.....

Ah, memories.

the worst part of the "who are you going to vote for?" posts is that there are a large number of us who DONT ACTUALLY LIVE IN AMERICA. which means (sadly) WE CANT VOTE!

the worst part of the "who are you going to vote for?" posts is that there are a large number of us who DONT ACTUALLY LIVE IN AMERICA. which means (sadly) WE CANT VOTE!


YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE CAPS TO GET YOUR POINT ACROSS!!!! WE CAN GET YOUR POINT WITHOUT THE NEED TO SHOUT!

YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE CAPS TO GET YOUR POINT ACROSS!!!! WE CAN GET YOUR POINT WITHOUT THE NEED TO SHOUT!
EVERYONE KEEP IT DOWN, IM TRYING TO TYPE HERE

YES BUT I FIND IT RELIEVES STRESS. I'm sorry.

what are you talking about?

He / she (I'm not sure on the gender, but it doesn't matter) has IMHO started one of the more interesting threads I've read in general. This isn't to say I agree with OI, but I did like at least one of his threads.

As for the last 12 months, well ... if you look at the early NS UN resolutions, I think they kinda sucked. I like many of the more recent NS UN resolutions.

And I do like JOLT better than the previous forum.

the worst part of the "who are you going to vote for?" posts is that there are a large number of us who DONT ACTUALLY LIVE IN AMERICA. which means (sadly) WE CANT VOTE!

But you still can voice your opinions.

Since US Presidents tend to muck around with other countries, frankly I'm surprised that more countries don't give money to US political "issue" groups like the ones involved in the current questions about Kerry's military career (both sides).

But your point is a good one. NationStates is often too dominated by Americans. I'd love to see more players from other countries, and frankly I think other languages should be allowed as well. Especially because I'm not going to understand if I'm being flamed by somebody else unless it is in one of two languages. ;)

He / she (I'm not sure on the gender, but it doesn't matter) has IMHO started one of the more interesting threads I've read in general. This isn't to say I agree with OI, but I did like at least one of his threads.

As for the last 12 months, well ... if you look at the early NS UN resolutions, I think they kinda sucked. I like many of the more recent NS UN resolutions.

And I do like JOLT better than the previous forum.

ya, i decided i really didnt care anymore, as i would rather laugh at stupid people then try to argue with them

i prefer discussions, where the point is to share ideas, not necessarily come to a new agreement, and not to necessarily assume that any one answer is correct. Its really hard to do that with Americans

But you still can voice your opinions.

Since US Presidents tend to muck around with other countries, frankly I'm surprised that more countries don't give money to US political "issue" groups like the ones involved in the current questions about Kerry's military career (both sides).

But your point is a good one. NationStates is often too dominated by Americans. I'd love to see more players from other countries, and frankly I think other languages should be allowed as well. Especially because I'm not going to understand if I'm being flamed by somebody else unless it is in one of two languages. ;)

There's been about a million of those "Het Derde Nederlandese" topics, and they used to go way up there before the 65 page limit was instituted back in the olden days.

He / she (I'm not sure on the gender, but it doesn't matter) has IMHO started one of the more interesting threads I've read in general. .

And I do like JOLT better than the previous forum.

He actually. And yes, Jolt is a great improvement.

Since US Presidents tend to muck around with other countries, frankly I'm surprised that more countries don't give money to US political "issue" groups like the ones involved in the current questions about Kerry's military career (both sides).

people from most other countries in the world understand how much of a sham the american electorial system is and therefore wouldnt support either Bush or Kerry, as politically they are very much the same candidate. Thats why the media focuses on things like "military history" instead of real issues.

Everytime I join a forum it goes downhill. So this one must be going down too. :cool:

It sucks. Nothing against Jolt, it just changed the feel of the forums, and they seem so sterile now. I hate not being able to see who's on and who's modding. Long before that however, this place started going down the crapper. When Beeker's anti nazi brigade got the smack down form Neut, things started going foul around here. Then there was the forum purge. Without warning, they purged the forum of all the great threads, giving us no time to wrap up our rp's or move them somewhere else. They deleted poetry threads without giving any of us a chance to archive our work. The haiku war thread was one I would have saved if I could have.

Since US Presidents tend to muck around with other countries, frankly I'm surprised that more countries don't give money to US political "issue" groups like the ones involved in the current questions about Kerry's military career (both sides).



of course a way to get around that would to have everyone voting for a world president.

of course a way to get around that would to have everyone voting for a world president.

NO NO NO AND NO

It sucks. Nothing against Jolt, it just changed the feel of the forums, and they seem so sterile now. I hate not being able to see who's on and who's modding. Long before that however, this place started going down the crapper. When Beeker's anti nazi brigade got the smack down form Neut, things started going foul around here. Then there was the forum purge. Without warning, they purged the forum of all the great threads, giving us no time to wrap up our rp's or move them somewhere else. They deleted poetry threads without giving any of us a chance to archive our work. The haiku war thread was one I would have saved if I could have.

Wow, you still exist.

its too boring it needs more issues. I should be able to do an issue every 30 mins like KOC. I mean congress does so many bills a year . Nation states should do like millions of issues a day. oh yeah. :fluffle: oh btw this has nothing to do with the topic of the thread GG

NO NO NO AND NO

yeh don't worry, i would never advoctae that, it only solves the problem of US presidents mucking with the world, and i doubt the Americans would be happy about the rest of the world voting for their Head of State.

its too boring it needs more issues. I should be able to do an issue every 30 mins like KOC. I mean congress does so many bills a year . Nation states should do like millions of issues a day. oh yeah. :fluffle:

There's a song by the Beatles you should check out. It's off of "Magical Mystery Tour". Let's see if you can figure it out.

Wow, you still exist.


Yeah, can you believe I haven't been deleted?

Yeah, can you believe I haven't been deleted?

I thought you expired from inactivity.

I thought you expired from inactivity.

No, I exiled myself to a regional board. I was the delgate for Sweden for a while and I just recently started posting again.

yeh don't worry, i would never advoctae that, it only solves the problem of US presidents mucking with the world, and i doubt the Americans would be happy about the rest of the world voting for their Head of State.

i have enough trouble knowing that my vote is worth as much as some drop out who cares nothing about politics and is only voting because they want to be rebellious by voting for a party that is against their parents.

if my vote was equal to that of people from, for example, the south of america ( im sure there are some educated people there, dont get your panties in a bunch) i would be agahst, quite frankly, people who are that out of touch with reality shouldnt have a say in the running of a nation.

No, I exiled myself to a regional board. I was the delgate for Sweden for a while and I just recently started poting again.

Ah. Well, to tell the truth, there's no reason to come back now. General is a mere shadow of its former glory. I've phased myself mostly out of here and into the RP forums, and even those aren't as good as I remember. It's too bad, really.

i have enough trouble knowing that my vote is worth as much as some drop out who cares nothing about politics and is only voting because they want to be rebellious by voting for a party that is against their parents.



Yes but where would you draw the line? what would the value of a certain persons vote be based on? and if such a system was put in place then parties would not lobby people whose vote was worth very little, so they would miss out on any benefits.

I'd say it's declined mostly because of all the regulations the mods instilled in the old forum. Granted they put them in place to help the server, but it took away some of the charm of Nationstates. That and the lack of the older nations have dragged it down. Although it's good to see some of the oldies haven't disappeared.

On that note, now that we're on this new, generic server, are the old regulations (such as page limit, no word games, etc) lifted?

Yes but where would you draw the line? what would the value of a certain persons vote be based on? and if such a system was put in place then parties would not lobby people whose vote was worth very little, so they would miss out on any benefits.

ya, thats why im not sold on democracy yet, at least not a complete democracy. Some issues are too complex for the general public

I'd say it's declined mostly because of all the regulations the mods instilled in the old forum. Granted they put them in place to help the server, but it took away some of the charm of Nationstates. That and the lack of the older nations have dragged it down. Although it's good to see some of the oldies haven't disappeared.

On that note, now that we're on this new, generic server, are the old regulations (such as page limit, no word games, etc) lifted?

Yeah, like Nyborg was saying. The forum purges really upset people, especially when some really great threads were deleted. And the ban on word games made alot of people mad too because they were the last bastion of non-political talk in General.

On your other note, I don't think the page limit exists anymore. As for word games, last I recall reading, the mods were discussing lifting the ban on word games, but no decision had been reached. Perhaps someone can correct me on this.

people from most other countries in the world understand how much of a sham the american electorial system is and therefore wouldnt support either Bush or Kerry, as politically they are very much the same candidate. Thats why the media focuses on things like "military history" instead of real issues.

I've always wondered that if more of the actual game features were in another language, French or Spanish would be my first guesses, that if that might encourage more non-Americans to play.

And I agree. With the election a little more than two months away, we should be seeing some actual *plans* from the candidates, which is why I'm thinking my vote won't be for either Kerry or Bush.

And I agree. With the election a little more than two months away, we should be seeing some actual *plans* from the candidates, which is why I'm thinking my vote won't be for either Kerry or Bush.

thats right, dont just be a sheep!

NS is fine and dandy.

It's the forums that suck now. Too many n00bs acting all big and bad and the old farts floating around 3 billion are too damn scared to take one another on, for fear of losing over a years worth of work.

And no... I didn't read the rest of this thread, so if this doesn't fit with it... too damn bad.

i had 2 nations here about a year ago, maybe more, and i must say this site has gotten worse. no offence ns

In terms of the UN the issues have gone down.

In terms of the RPs, many interesting and quality RPs have sprouted up since I joined back in December. True, there have been some instances of goddmoding and such from noobs, but there are more quality and repected RPers to overshadow that. So, in my opinion, RPs have imporved.

thought the word noob wasnt gonna b used anymore

With me here, it's got to be better! Everything's better w/Superpower07! :D

thought the word noob wasnt gonna b used anymore
Who the hell told you THAT?! :confused:

"ya, thats why im not sold on democracy yet, at least not a complete democracy. Some issues are too complex for the general public"

Doesn't less than 50% of the US population actualy vote anyway? Could you imagine what it would be like if we brought everyone out of the woodworks? I think alot of the issues you are speaking about are solved at the commitee level in congress? Is there any mainstream issues out there that the general public doesn't deserve to have a say in?

I do agree that some issues are much to complex (or important such as national security issues) for the public to have a say in, but thats why we allow intelligence commitees and such to handle them.

Two words:

Summer vacation.

(But it's nearly over.)

*sighs*

IMHO, it's become a bit too restrictive recently. One of the main problems I see is the restrictions in General - a lot of the random fun aspects of the NationStates community have disappeared.

There are also quite a few of the great older players who have ceased playing. *looks around for Bas and Qaa*

Even the DEATs aren't as enjoyable as they used to be.