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It appears that we have a debunking of the argument that Swift Boats couldn't get into Cambodia - from the horse's mouth itself.

CNN's Newsnight just played the O'Neill-Nixon tape, with text graphic on screen:

O'NEILL: I was in Cambodia, sir. I worked along the border on the water.

NIXON: In a swift boat?

O'NEILL: Yes, sir.

So, would all the people who said that no swift boat was ever in Cambodia note this correction? I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to extrapolate from this hole in O'Neill's credibility.

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*snigger*

I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to extrapolate from this hole in O'Neill's credibility.

there is any left for there to be a hole in?

*snigger*

OMG

thats like the n-i-g-g-e-r word with an S in front

you bad bad man

...Holy crap, I was listening to that song when I read this thread, too o____o

(apologies to various deceased kennedys)

It appears that we have a debunking of the argument that Swift Boats couldn't get into Cambodia - from the horse's mouth itself.



So, would all the people who said that no swift boat was ever in Cambodia note this correction? I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to extrapolate from this hole in O'Neill's credibility.

Swift boats went into Cambodia as the war escaladed. Heck I flew over some in 72. They had too as the VC were also there. This doesn't mean Kerry spent xmas eve in Cambodia in 68. A memory which was seared....seared into him.

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Well if you didn't say that, I would of done

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Apologies accepted.

Apologies accepted.

too bad your former bandmates got the rights to it all

too bad your former bandmates got the rights to it all
Yes, how very true.

Swift boats went into Cambodia as the war escaladed. Heck I flew over some in 72. They had too as the VC were also there. This doesn't mean Kerry spent xmas eve in Cambodia in 68. A memory which was seared....seared into him.

Sigh. Hannibal, this direct hit to O'Neill's credibility has no impact on you at all? You prefer to believe confirmed liars simply because of your obvious bias? I really can't understand you, or anyone here who gives more credibility to the SVFT than to Kerry. Do you as well have an axe to grind because of his anti-war activities after the war?

I've seen many here say "He betrayed his fellow soldiers!" Meanwhile, Kerry was actually condemning the leaders who betrayed the soldiers in the first place. More evidence that conservative talking points seem to have more impact than the truth. It's a sad world.

Hannibal, Kerry has said that he was mistaken about Christmas - he was off by a couple of months. Admitted. Said it. You seem to be doing a good job of keeping that clue from sinking into your brain.

O'Neill has claimed that Swift Boats never went into Cambodia, and he knew that because he was there and he never went into Cambodia, and if he did, he would have been court-martialled.

But that's not what he told Nixon.

Another official navy document has surfaced - the task force's weekly report that includes the March 13, 1969. It also verifiies Kerry's story, and contradict's O'Neill.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040825/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_vietnam_records

The swift boat vets have no evidence.

There is an interesting article in the Washington Times regarding one of Kerry's purple hearts and the truthfulness of John Kerry's claims.

"Mr. Kerry has claimed that he faced his "first intense combat" that day, returned fire, and received his "first combat related injury."
A journal entry Mr. Kerry wrote Dec. 11, however, raises questions about what really happened nine days earlier.
"A cocky feeling of invincibility accompanied us up the Long Tau shipping channel because we hadn't been shot at yet, and Americans at war who haven't been shot at are allowed to be cocky," wrote Mr. Kerry, according the book "Tour of Duty" by friendly biographer Douglas Brinkley.
If enemy fire was not involved in that or any other incident, according to the Military Order of the Purple Heart, no medal should be awarded."

Now we know that Kerry's '1968 Christmas in Cambodia' was not true (Kerry has backed off that statement) and that Kerry's own journal refutes that he was wounded by enemy fire for his first purple heart.

O'Neill was questioned on his statement to Nixon. He claims when he told Nixon he was in Cambodia, he corrected it in his following statement. That 'he was on the border'.

Why is it that the hacks give credence to the "claims" made by someone like John O'Neill who has time and again been refuted by 1) his own words and 2) official Navy records, while simultaneously giving no credence to claims made by John Kerry who has time and again had both official records and credible eyewitness reports back him up?

You know what the most frustrating thing about all of this is? In the end, none of it means a goddamn thing as to either Bush's or Kerry's competence to lead the nation. None of it.

Make no mistake--this election is a referendum on Bush's job up to this point. Elections involving incumbents always are. If Bush has done a good job (or is at least able to con enough people into thinking he's done a good job) then he'll win, and all the war records in the world won't change that. They didn't do Bob Dole much good in 1996. Why? Because Clinton was doing a good job, and Clinton waltzed to re-election.

But these attacks against Kerry's Vietnam service are an act of desperation. If Bush had any kind of positive achievements to run on, he'd be doing it. But he's got nothing, and he knows it. His only hope is to smear Kerry so badly that Kerry no longer looks like a credible alternative to a bad presidency, and while I won't go so far as to say that's impossible, it's damn difficult. And Bush is going to try it, because he's got nothing else.