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Post them here. Whta do you think that his greatest mistakes were before and during WW2. Please, don't say things like living or stuff like that. Heres what I think

1.Attacking the Soviet Union: If Hitler had not commensed (I spelt it wrong) then he could of saved up massive amounts of troops for an offensive on Britain and othe more Southern nations. Many say that D-day was the biggest invasion, but while it was the greatest amphibious invasion ever, Operation Barbarossa consisted of over 3 million troops, 5000 tanks, and 3000 aircraft invading Russia. Think if he had saved all of those for a better purpose to the West.

2.He didn't use his paratroopers: Hitler had more, better quality paratroopers than any other nation. He could have easily (along with the Luftwaffe) bombarded Britain and paratroop creating a reverse D-day. If he had done this than we would have no stand point for invasion and wouldn't bea able to attack Africa or Europe. Then he could take the Soviet Union.

3.Declaring war on the US: We were isolated from him in such a way that he coulkd not attack us while we could send equipment overseas to Britain. We were then a economic and industrial power like none other, by the end of 1943 America was producing 8000 aircraft each month.

In the end, the factors that contributed to the Axis losing the war was: The Economic and Industrial supremecy of the US, The inginuity (did I spell it right?) and inventivness of Great Britain, All of the Brave Allied Soldiers (including US, GB, Canada, Frence Resistance groups, Soviet Soldiers, Free Polish, Indians, Brazilians, and Australians, and many more), The Brute Strength of the Soviets, The Intelligence of our Commanders, Andrew Higgins, and the stupidity of some of Hitlers actions.

I could list loads of mistakes:

- Building a surface fleet - resources would have been better place in the U Boats, to starve Britain into submission.

- Persecuting Jewish scientists, and others who could help the war effort once into power.

- Dunkirk. Not capturing the whole of the BEF and remenants of the French Army.

- Wasting Luftwaffe resources bombing the cities. Germany had NO heavy bombers at that point, and they would have been better committed in the East.

- Getting Mussolini in the war before Italy was ready.

- Allowing Barbarossa to be set back because of Italy's failings.. it could have been the most resounding military success ever. Capture Moscow, seige Leningrad before Winter '41. No supplies get to Leningrad or frontline troops as Moscow is the rail hub for the North. Summer '42 surround Stalingrad and press on. Soviet Union then all but defeated. Stalin deposed, fallout into civil war or peace treaty.

- Opressing the minorities within the Soviet Union and other occupied territories. Sure Hitler was a racist, but even a smart racist would avoid pissing off millions of people behind your troops front lines. Promise them liberty, allow them to enlist and fight the 'Godless beasts'.

- Realise that Japan is doing NOTHING to help you fight the Communists. Denounce their attack on America, even go so far as to openly defend America. See how much trouble Roosevelt gets trying to get permission to declare war from Congress then.

- Centralising army command too much. Letting his early success get to his head.

- Defending France from the Allies. Why not transfer EVERYTHING to the East. The war was already lost, but it would be far better on the remaining Germans to be occupied by the Allies than the Soviets.

Persecuting the Jews undermined his own army because a large percentage of the doctors in the German Army were Jewish.

All in all, I think breathing was a bad move. :D

...japan brought the US into the ww2... i believe

Being born.

No, I'm being serious.

1. Invading the Soviet Union--as is mentioned above.
2. If he had to invade the Soviet Union--he should have treated the conquered people better until after he won the war. In fact, the Russians greeted Hitler's tanks with bread and salt--a welcoming gesture. It was only when they were treated badly that they went back to Stalin.

I'm sure someone will say this is stupid, but....


Hitler should have invaded the Iberian peninsula.

1. Invading the Soviet Union--as is mentioned above.

All flaming aside, this was a pretty big mistake. He should have left the Soviet Union after he realized it was pointless to try and win there if he had to invade at all. He should have left them well alone, though.

Agreed on all the points about the Soviet Union so far.

One major thing is... in the battle of britain, why didn't he use his massive luftwaffe to cover while landing soldiers by boat across the English channel (with his U-Boats controlling the waters, this wouldn't have been a problem), or drop soldiers in on parachutes.... The battle of britain could have been over in a matter of a week.

Anyways, his largest mistake still I think was the way he mistakenly came to the conclusion that the Jews were the cause of the downfall of Germany, he blamed materialism and selflessness on the Jews, and eventually the Jews became symbollic of everything bad (in his mind). This is evident throughout the first half or so of the first volume of Mein Kampf.

- Building a surface fleet - resources would have been better place in the U Boats, to starve Britain into submission.
Well, they got very close to it in 1941.

- Wasting Luftwaffe resources bombing the cities. Germany had NO heavy bombers at that point, and they would have been better committed in the East.
True. He shouldn't have let himself get provoked by Churchill. If he had just continued to bomb the targets they started with the battle of Britain might would have turned out different.

- Getting Mussolini in the war before Italy was ready.
Which probably would have taken Benito another 20 years. Considering that he was in power several years before Hilter. And Italy, thanks to it's backstabbing in WW1, was on the winning side. Not that they gained anything by it. But still, Mussolini had plenty of time to plan the birth of his New Roman Empire instead of just talking about it.

- Allowing Barbarossa to be set back because of Italy's failings.. it could have been the most resounding military success ever. Capture Moscow, seige Leningrad before Winter '41. No supplies get to Leningrad or frontline troops as Moscow is the rail hub for the North. Summer '42 surround Stalingrad and press on. Soviet Union then all but defeated. Stalin deposed, fallout into civil war or peace treaty.
Probably. But on the other hand that would have left Southern Europe open for an Allied invasion.

- Opressing the minorities within the Soviet Union and other occupied territories. Sure Hitler was a racist, but even a smart racist would avoid pissing off millions of people behind your troops front lines. Promise them liberty, allow them to enlist and fight the 'Godless beasts'.
Lots of these Soviet minorities joined the ranks of the Waffen SS or as support units for the regular army.

Not following ALL of Machiavelli's principles and failing to follow the most important one, "Don't surround yourself with yes men!"

Agreed on all the points about the Soviet Union so far.

One major thing is... in the battle of britain, why didn't he use his massive luftwaffe to cover while landing soldiers by boat across the English channel (with his U-Boats controlling the waters, this wouldn't have been a problem), or drop soldiers in on parachutes.... The battle of britain could have been over in a matter of a week.
The navy didn't have the landing crafts to caary out a seaborn invasion. Not in the time that was needed to establish a stable beach head anyway. The navy lost alot of it's units in Norway.

All flaming aside, this was a pretty big mistake. He should have left the Soviet Union after he realized it was pointless to try and win there if he had to invade at all. He should have left them well alone, though.

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Hitler's goal world domination? If that's true, then he would have had to invade there.

Oh. His biggests mistake ever was standing behind a pillar in the Wolfs Schanze on July 20. 1944.

Hitler had too many soldiers stationed defending Norway from a possible allied amphibious assault in 1944(the number was arround 500,000) these soldiers very well supplied and when hitler was finding all the men he could to start the battle of the bulge for some reason he overlooked the troops in norway. If he wouldve just took 400,000 of those troops and added them to the force attacking antwerp the germans wouldve taken the crucial city with no problem annd as a result the allied front would split in two, also the germans couldve sent important resources from reconquered belgium to both fronts which would prolong the war in europe(and maybe the german "miracle" weapons like the Maus tank and V10 nucclear missle couldve won the war)

Hitler also refused to use chemical wafare on his enemies(using chemical weapons in battles like Stalingrad, Moscow,Battle over Britain,and D-day wouldve probably secured a german victory or at least the enemy casulties wouldve been 10 times higher then they were) just think about the potetial the chemical v2 rocket wouldve had

Hitler shouldve dismissed herman goring because goring was a complete idiot and he hurt the development of the german airforce(because of him germany never had any long range heavy bombers in its arsenal)

And Hitler had an unessesary obession with machine gun warfare and as a result he officially would not allow the production of a german assault rifle instead favoring mass production of MG42's instead(this made the production of the STG44 very small and when it finally was ready to be distributed among the german armys it was to little to late to have any effect on the war even though it was the best infantry weapon made in world war 2)

I agree and disagree with 'Not invaded the Soviet Union'. Operation Barbarossa was postponed by a month because Mussolini and his suck-ass troops were getting their asses kick in Greece, and Hitler had to divert some troops to help him out. This postponed the invasion of the USSR by about a month, which didn't leave Hitler enough time to conquer the USSR before the harsh winter.

Hitler had too many soldiers stationed defending Norway from a possible allied amphibious assault in 1944(the number was arround 500,000) these soldiers very well supplied and when hitler was finding all the men he could to start the battle of the bulge for some reason he overlooked the troops in norway. If he wouldve just took 400,000 of those troops and added them to the force attacking antwerp the germans wouldve taken the crucial city with no problem annd as a result the allied front would split in two, also the germans couldve sent important resources from reconquered belgium to both fronts which would prolong the war in europe

It's somewhat difficult to relocate troops from overseas without any means of transportation. And the North and Baltic seas swarming with Allied subs and surface ships.

Hitler made a mistake wasting his time in Australia

Hitler's biggest mistake? wasting all that time sending people to fight Indiana Jones

why hello everyone! Hitler was in Australia? I did not know that...

hello popcorn man!

whoa, i just noticed that it says that its 2:20 am...wierd :confused:

popcorn man...are you even on here? am i just talking to myself like a stupid little mole? ahh! i need more cheese...

1.Attacking the Soviet Union: If Hitler had not commensed (I spelt it wrong) then he could of saved up massive amounts of troops for an offensive on Britain and othe more Southern nations. Many say that D-day was the biggest invasion, but while it was the greatest amphibious invasion ever, Operation Barbarossa consisted of over 3 million troops, 5000 tanks, and 3000 aircraft invading Russia. Think if he had saved all of those for a better purpose to the West.

Then Russian forces would slam through his eastern border virtually unopposed. Stalin had plans of his own, Hitler just pulled the trigger first.

2.He didn't use his paratroopers: Hitler had more, better quality paratroopers than any other nation. He could have easily (along with the Luftwaffe) bombarded Britain and paratroop creating a reverse D-day. If he had done this than we would have no stand point for invasion and wouldn't bea able to attack Africa or Europe. Then he could take the Soviet Union.

Dropping thousand of paratroopers into England? That's a recipe for their slaughter. They would have virtually no supplies beyond what they could carry, no armored support, no artillery, no real intelligence, in hostile territory, and your assuming that the RAF wouldn't stop them.

3.Declaring war on the US: We were isolated from him in such a way that he coulkd not attack us while we could send equipment overseas to Britain. We were then a economic and industrial power like none other, by the end of 1943 America was producing 8000 aircraft each month.

The war was inevitable anyway. WWII was not close, it was a curbstomping.

Hitler had too many soldiers stationed defending Norway from a possible allied amphibious assault in 1944(the number was arround 500,000) these soldiers very well supplied and when hitler was finding all the men he could to start the Battle of the Bulge for some reason he overlooked the troops in norway. If he would've just took 400,000 of those troops and added them to the force attacking Antwerp the germans wouldve taken the crucial city with no problem annd as a result the allied front would split in two, also the germans couldve sent important resources from reconquered belgium to both fronts which would prolong the war in europe(and maybe the german "miracle" weapons like the Maus tank and V10 nuclear missle couldve won the war).

Exactly how were they supposed to transport these soldiers? Frankly, the Maus tank was a bad idea, the thing could barely move under it's own power. Also, the Germans wouldn't have been able to build a nuclear weapon, they simply didn't have the resources or industrial capacity.

Hitler also refused to use chemical wafare on his enemies(using chemical weapons in battles like Stalingrad, Moscow,Battle over Britain,and D-day wouldve probably secured a german victory or at least the enemy casulties wouldve been 10 times higher then they were) just think about the potetial the chemical v2 rocket wouldve had.

And you know what would have happened if they had? Berlin, Dresden, Hamburg, Bonn, and every other major German city would disappear under clouds of mustard gas from Allied bombers. If they had used chemical weapons, they would have been utterly massacred. The only potential a chemical V2 would have had is getting their own population slaughtered.

Hitler was chasing kangaroos in Austalia when he lived in Canada

how could he chase kangaroos in Australia if he was living in Canada? does Canada actually have good sausage? i dont know where i heard that, but i heard Canada has good sausage.

His big mistakes were:
1. Failing to invade England. Before attacking the Soviet Union, he should've gone after the UK. Use the paratroopers to invade Gibralter and Malta, and send a few armies to capture the Suez Canal, and their colonies in the Middle East. Without their navy, the UK has no way to sustain itself, even if it could defend its own islands. Without a navy, the British Isles would be under seige. Combine them with a few bombing raids, and the UK will either surrender or starve. It nearly worked in WWI.
2. Not coordinating with Japan. They could've had a successful joint offensive on the Soviet Union, keeping the Soviet army very busy. They would be conquered in a year at the most.
After that, WWII on Eurasia would be pretty much over. The two could then plan a joint offensive on the US, not just one where each side defends themselves from the US. Perhaps they could plan a joint offensive on the Panama Canal. They could use submarines to clear out the ships guarding the canal, and then follow up with a surface fleet. Perhaps they could land an army somewhere in South America, and have them march to Panama. In the mean time, a study flow of naval fleets on both sides should help prevent naval reinforcements to the area. Wait for an army to flush the Americans out, then the Canal, if it is well guarded, can have the navies move through freely, and the US navy would be crippled. Even if it was built at an astonishing rate, how could it move from coast to coast? They may not be able to launch a joint invasion on the US, but a few smart moves could cripple them.

See, when he was supposedly "fighting the war" he was outback hunter guy who ate his dogs to survive. He also was dealing with drugs down there. He had a weed farm as far as the eye could see. That's why he lost the war.

i think this is a smart people only thread...cuz these guys sound like they're professors.

wow, i wonder what would happen if you burned a weed farm...would you get high from the smoke?

His big mistakes were:
1. Failing to invade England. Before attacking the Soviet Union, he should've gone after the UK. Use the paratroopers to invade Gibralter and Malta, and send a few armies to capture the Suez Canal, and their colonies in the Middle East. Without their navy, the UK has no way to sustain itself, even if it could defend its own islands. Without a navy, the British Isles would be under seige. Combine them with a few bombing raids, and the UK will either surrender or starve. It nearly worked in WWI.
2. Not coordinating with Japan. They could've had a successful joint offensive on the Soviet Union, keeping the Soviet army very busy. They would be conquered in a year at the most.
After that, WWII on Eurasia would be pretty much over. The two could then plan a joint offensive on the US, not just one where each side defends themselves from the US. Perhaps they could plan a joint offensive on the Panama Canal. They could use submarines to clear out the ships guarding the canal, and then follow up with a surface fleet. Perhaps they could land an army somewhere in South America, and have them march to Panama. In the mean time, a study flow of naval fleets on both sides should help prevent naval reinforcements to the area. Wait for an army to flush the Americans out, then the Canal, if it is well guarded, can have the navies move through freely, and the US navy would be crippled. Even if it was built at an astonishing rate, how could it move from coast to coast? They may not be able to launch a joint invasion on the US, but a few smart moves could cripple them.

I don't know why your talking like he was in Europe

wow, i wonder what would happen if you burned a weed farm...would you get high from the smoke?
A little, yeah.

wow, i wonder what would happen if you burned a weed farm...would you get high from the smoke?

In "Whithout a Paddle" the guys burned a weed farm and got high. It was hilarious

yup, yup, yup. you guys should listen to him, hes a genius in disguise.

ha ha haa!! you should see me now, staring at the computer, laughing in this chair that rolls around. i feel like an idiot

yup, yup, yup. you guys should listen to him, hes a genius in disguise.

Who?

you! popcornman!

oh

why do you keep quoting me? its getting a little awkward.

Are we all talking about the same hitler?

His big mistakes were:
1. Failing to invade England. Before attacking the Soviet Union, he should've gone after the UK. Use the paratroopers to invade Gibralter and Malta, and send a few armies to capture the Suez Canal, and their colonies in the Middle East. Without their navy, the UK has no way to sustain itself, even if it could defend its own islands. Without a navy, the British Isles would be under seige. Combine them with a few bombing raids, and the UK will either surrender or starve. It nearly worked in WWI.

This is so much bullshit I don't know where to start. Wait, yes I do! Britain had Germany under blockade in WWI, not the other way around. The Germans were a threat because of U-boat warfare, but nothing really dire. Also, exactly how do you propose that the RN ceases to exist in that scenario? It's not like their entire fleet was in the Mediterranean or anything, and they had free run of the Atlantic. Remember, any time German warships ventured into the Atlantic, it was in a pre-planned operation with massive fighter support to protect from attacks by the Royal Navy.

Anyway, you think England would capitulate after a few bombing raids? That's complete and utter stupidity.

2. Not coordinating with Japan. They could've had a successful joint offensive on the Soviet Union, keeping the Soviet army very busy. They would be conquered in a year at the most.

A year. Ha. Where the hell do you get that idea? The Soviets had a huge manpower and production advantage over the Germans, and the Japanese had no real armored corps. Besides, depending on the year, they were busy with China, Australia/New Zealand, and the rest of those island nations.


After that, WWII on Eurasia would be pretty much over. The two could then plan a joint offensive on the US, not just one where each side defends themselves from the US. Perhaps they could plan a joint offensive on the Panama Canal. They could use submarines to clear out the ships guarding the canal, and then follow up with a surface fleet.

Ha. Hahahahahaha!

Perhaps they could land an army somewhere in South America, and have them march to Panama.

Which is an act of war on every nation they march through, even assuming they make it to Panama.

i really have no idea. i didnt know there was more than one hitler.

i went to Panama last summer. it was really humid. i dont like humid places.

I thought we were talking about that teacher I had in 3 grade

well then, i then i think we should still talk about your teacher. he seems like a fun guy to make fun of. hah! your teacher had a weed farm!

i just noticed that im the first one to say something on every page, not including the first page. thats just one reason why moles are so great.

Not really, I lied.
Two new teen girl squad: hilarious

ok, well not the second page either, but moles are still great

really? i have to watch them!! popcorn man, hold on a sec while I watch Teen Girl squad.

Hey mole do you want to go now, back to nationstates

When you get back on, mole, I'll be on NS. to go back quit, get on the nationstates website, then sign back in and I'll be waiting

hiltler couldnt invade britian because of the raf and hiltlers plan only had 20 minuets of flying time over bitian because of fuel restrictions and war with the soviets would have come sooner or later because stalin saw the threat and was upgrading industry and the military even if he didnt declare war on us we would have declared it on him not to long after he declared it on us because of britians persistence and japan and germany were allied

You know, could you two take it to a telegram or AIM or something? It's really obnoxious to hijack a thread with your spam.

read above...get a life

i guess no one likes my answer

1) The first and formost mistake Hitler made was actually launching the war when he did. After annexing the Rhineland and Austria , Germany made a pact with Great Britain saying they would take no more land. Hitler then informed the then head of the navy that he did not expect to start a major conflict untill at least the late 1940's. At the start of the War, the Nazi army was not the all powerfull million man force is was during the Barbarossa campaign. They were actually outnumbered on more than occasion early on in the war, and prevailed by use of better armor tactics and a heavily concentrated air cover. If England, or any other country for that matter would have stepped up and stood against Hitler when he first started anexing territories, the Third Reich would have been stilborn. If Hitler had been satisfied with his pre-war gains, and signing the non-agression pact with the Soviets, he could have given his navy a chance to actually build a large fleet, one capeable of carrying out seaborne invasions and rivaling the British Royal Navy.Even though they did a respectable job in the early war years, we can only imagine what another 7-10 years of preperation could have done. How many more Bismarks would have been built? The U-Boat "wolfpacks" could have opperated more freely andmore effectivly from the get-go.

2) Aside that the war started when he did, issuing the "halt order", stopping his Pazer armies mere miles from the beachhead of Dunkirk, as mentioned previously. If he had crushed the allied armies there, it would have had an exponentially dramatic effect on the future british war effort. It would have reduced an already comparativly small British Army to next to nothing, leaving the home islands almost defenselss.

3) In response to previous quotes about why the germans didnt more utilize their paratrooper corp as paratroopers: The luftwaffe did not have sufficent numbers of airplanes or the trained pilots to conduct such large scale airdrops. In 1940, they did conduct scuh an operation. When the germans invaded the island of Crete, the assumed their paratroopers, landing at strategic points and being reinforced by beach landings, could easily take the island. They were wrong. To make a long story short, after misslandings, supply problems, poor decisions on part of the command staff, and not properly training all involved troops in airborne warfare, the operation was a pyeric victory. Of the nearly 22,000 total troops invovled in the invasion of the island, nearly 6000 were casualties. After this fiasco, the German parachute arm was relagated to an elite light infantry duty, and never again used on a large scale.

4) Invading the USSR was not entirely a mistake. It was only a mistake because of the failure to subdue Great Britain. Even then, if Hitler had let his General's conduct the war instead of micromanaging all the details (Hitler's only army rank was that of a corporal), and properly supplied with correct winter gear, the Wehrmacht could have had a fighting chance. On this same note, weakening the invading force by having to save the Italian army in Greece, and supporting an ongoing war in North Africa as well as waging an airware with Britain, proved too much a strain on the german infastructure.

5) Going back to Hitler's obsession with micromanaging...The Germans were well ahead of any other contry in the development of jet aircraft. The first prototype ME-262 interceptor made test flights as early as 1942, and could have been set to mass produce by 1943. We can only imagine the effect with would have had on the allied bombing raids over Europe, being faced by jet interceptors in large numbers before we had complete fighter escort. But Hitler insisted the plane be modified. He wanted a jet bomber, capeable of quickly reaching british cities and bombing them. The changes pushed back the deployment of the fighter by almost a year to mid 1944, and by the the allied bombing campaign, and the turns in the war on the eastern front and the D-Day invasions proved too much a drain to resoruces to produce this new fighter, and what fuel production remained was focused on producing fuel for the pazer corps. Though a few hundred were produced, they were flown by poorly trained pilots and were not used in great enough nubmers to have the desired devistating effect on the massed allied bombers.

I don't know if Hitler's biggest mistake was being a bad artist, being racist, or committing suicide...

Agreed on all the points about the Soviet Union so far.

One major thing is... in the battle of britain, why didn't he use his massive luftwaffe to cover while landing soldiers by boat across the English channel (with his U-Boats controlling the waters, this wouldn't have been a problem), or drop soldiers in on parachutes.... The battle of britain could have been over in a matter of a week.



Without air superiority and considering that the Royal Navy was more than powerful enough to cut any invasion fleet to pieces, any invasion before preliminary bombing would have resulted in a catastrophe...and the British looking like the winning side internationally, perhaps prompting a Soviet strike against Germany.

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Hitler's goal world domination? If that's true, then he would have had to invade there.

Yes, you are wrong, but this is a very common misconseption among westerners (Disclaimer: I do not support Hitler or anything he did (racially, i.e. the Holocost) however, I would have supported Germany in WWII, had a different leader been present.)

Hitler did not want to take over the world. He wanted Liebenstraum (sp sorry my German is really bad right now), which means "living space" for the German people (his 'Aryan' race). He, had he successfully taken Europe, probably couldn't have cared less about the rest of the world, The Americas, Far Asia and Africa. As long as they didn't pose a threat to him.

Now back to the topic at hand:

They've pretty much all been said, so I'll recap the main ones:

1. Attacking the USSR
2. Failing to concentrate more attack power at Britain
3. Declaring war on the US (He didn't have to if he didn't want to; he could've let Japan fight it out with the US while he concentrated on Europe.)

Sorry to leave the others out, but it's late and I just came from playing a game of Axis and Allies (I was Germany, and won like usual ^.^ And I really don't feel like going more in-depth because I did an hour ago!)

I don't know if Hitler's biggest mistake was being a bad artist
Hitler may have been an unoriginal artist but his painting, though conventional, is pleasant... I wouldn't mind having a Hitler in my living room.

http://www.tightrope.cc/imagefiles/hitlerart5.jpg

Hitler did not want to take over the world. He wanted Liebenstraum (sp sorry my German is really bad right now), which means "living space" for the German people (his 'Aryan' race). He, had he successfully taken Europe, probably couldn't have cared less about the rest of the world, The Americas, Far Asia and Africa. As long as they didn't pose a threat to him.The thing wrong there is that the German population was so decimated after WWI that they were resorting to government programs to get their people to breed enough to keep up what land they did have. It was, in the end, just an excuse.

From my viewpoint, Hitler's greatest mistakes during the majority of WW2 were:

1) Failing to create balanced forces. German Panzergruppe were only effective in the beginning of the war because of the close support they had from the Luftwaffe, using the Blitzkrieg doctrine. Pz-I, II, and III tanks are remarkably weak, when compared to the Allied tanks of the time. The reason that the Panzers were effective was partially due to the Ju-88s shrieking down and putting a two-fifty through your turret hatch, but also because Allied armoured units were dispersed too widely. Had the Germans developed more effective armour, such as the Pz-IV, and copied the more effective enemy designs (As they later did), then they would have had a slightly more decisive advantage on the ground.

2) Failing to end a "War on Two Fronts." Maintaining diplomacy with North America is crucial, so as to avoid a two-front war once the UK was crushed. Due to the failure of "Operation Sealion", this became impossible.

3) At Dunkirk, as was mentioned above, the Panzergruppe and other arrayed Kampfgruppe should have been allowed to annhilate the trapped Commonwealth and French forces. Herman Goring is squarely to blame about this.

4) The Kriegsmarine wasn't entirely to blame about the failure of Operation Sealion. The Luftwaffe should not have switched to attacking civilian population centers in retaliation for raids carried out on German targets. (This switch was made on Hitler's orders.) The Kriegsmarine also should have been given more time to prepare, and additional intelligence should have been developed about;

5) Operation Barbarossa, the invasion of Russia. Had additional intel been properly developed by German units prior to the jump-off of this operation, sucess would have been assured. A proper time table needed to be prepared, and being surprised by the "Klementi Voriloshov" (KV-1, KV-2) type tanks should NOT have happened. Same with the T-34/Mod.41 - T-34/85 "Cavalry Breakthrough Machines."

6) Tying into point #5, the concept of three operational manuever groups such as A-Gruppe Nord, Center, and South, it's idiotic. A concentrated swing through the Caucasus Region with barring thrusts at Moscow to secure the Southern groups' lines of communication and supply would have been sufficent, thus ensuring the success of the two units.

Summa Summarum:
You cannot expect a veteran corporal to have a full understanding of what is nessecary to win several military campaigns upon which your continuance as a nation depends. (By which I mean if you lose, you've really lost and your homeland is threatened. Unlike, say the Americans in Vietnam.)

Hitler's insistance that the "Final Solution" be carried out to the letter and on precise timetables actually damaged the war movement. German reinforcements, and most importantly, ammunition, food, fuel, and winter clothing were delayed due to the insistance that the Jews and other "Untermenschen"/Racial Undesirables be eliminated in the manner prescribed.

To digress slightly:
The concept of "Einzatsgruppen" as a whole is absurd. When you have entered an area where your forces are considered to be liberators, make use of the population's general support. Do not deploy SS "Einzatsgruppen" to turn their opinion against you by shoving several hundred of them into a ditch and firing until the bolt locks back on an empty chamber. "One bullet each! It's not that hard!" :rolleyes:

Did it ever cross your minds that Joesph Stalin was planning to invade the third reich even if hitler never drew first blood. Stalin wanted to invade germany he just needed a little more time to prepare for a war against the axis(he probably wouldve invaded in 1942) Hitler and many high ranking germans knew that war was inevitable with the USSR and why the hell should he wait for the soviets to strike first( he figured the best defence was a good offence)

And if it was up to hitler then he would start a global conflict in 1944 rather then 1939( he didnt think britain and france would make such a fuss over poland considering they gave away austria,half of the czech republic, and let the germans remilitirize the rhine with virtually no resistence)

About the evacuation of german troops in norway to assist the battle of the bulge there actually were several ways the germans couldve taken taken 400,000 troops. for instance instead of using ships to supply the army stationed at norway hitler couldve used those ships to transport the army to denmark( he also couldve used the small but sufficient amount of transport planes he had left to transport the army) and believe me the ocean north of denmark was NOT swarming with allied subs(the main reason why the allies never attempted to stage an amphibious assault on norway and then invade germany from the north was because they never truly gained naval superiority in that area, germans u boats continued to operate in that area even after hitler's suicide and only gave up because admiral dornitz had ordered them to do so on may 1945)

And if germans had used chemical warfare the soviets might have started using it as well but the westurn allied nations would NOT use chemical weapons(all the western nations follow the geneve convention which OUTLAWS chemical warfare, as a result the western allies would never use chemical warfare even if the germans were using them)

The thing wrong there is that the German population was so decimated after WWI that they were resorting to government programs to get their people to breed enough to keep up what land they did have. It was, in the end, just an excuse.

I may be reading this wrong but, are you saying that he did not have a strong army? In truth he had one of the most powerful armies ever. Stronger than both France and Britain combined and even a bit of the US force added to that. After WWI, the treaty of Versailles was based solely on the fact that the Germans would agree. Britain and France didn't want to fight, so Germany could ignore it and massively build up weapons.
Also Vernii, it appears that you have duaghts that GHitler had any chance of ever winning the war (NOTE: I am anti-Hitler and don't believe that he was a good leader, a motivating one, but not a good one). Just one question, are you British because, no offense meant, British and most Americans have a hard time believing that there was a chance of us losing. Anyways, the Luftwaffe was twice the size as the RAF.

Another mistake that may possibly convince you was that Hitler could of mass produced his ME-262's, which had a cruise speed 120 MPH faster than the fastest allied planes maximum speed, in 40 instead of 43-44 he could have crushed the RAF. One time, during a bombing raid on Germany, the Allies sent in 25 Bombers and 34 escort fghters. The 262's shot down 15 fighters and 7 bombers with out getting hit once. Now imagine, the German war machine would have massed produced these and destroyed the RAF. Allied Generals were mad because, "these planes were flying in circles arounf ours and we couldn't do anything about it."

oh, come on, if you will insist on attempting to sound intelligent by discussing and analysing historical events on an internet forum, i suggest that you improve your spelling and grammar first.

Then I suggest that you start your sentences with capitals and if you have an I thats alone, you should also capitalize it.

Hum Hitlers greatest mistakes, hum interesting

In no particular order:-

1) Decreeaing war would end at a certain date so thier was no great need to modernerise the forces at a very accelerated rate. If memmory sevres the date was 1943, and only germanys increasing desperate straights forced invoations as shown by the wide variety of weapons introduced, with varied sucsess.

2) Beliving (or being convinced) that areil (aireal, er can't spell that) could be a decisve strategice weapons. They can win tacticaly but not stratetgic battels on thier own. Shown by the odd bombing pattern switching in the battle of britain and the use of the luftwaffe on the dunkirck evacuation.

3) odd choices of allies, (not including italy who was and obvious alliy) who could provide men but not much else. Also shown in the alliacne with japan, hitler did gain some advantage for japan entering the war in forcing the british and other powers to fight colonial wars, but the disadvantage of having america turn and fight outwaying those advantages.

4) and most vittaly belviing himself to be infallable. Something that showed to advantage sometimes in some of the more daring success of the army. But also to a massive disadvantage from events like the faluire to capture moscow. And his obsession that the reason his armys were defeated was due to incopotent command or disloyal troops - not the fact that the was a bad dieccsion that caused it.

5) tied to 4 and obbsession with symbols, both with architectrue in cities and of course the obvious example of stalingrad.


Oh and in answer to other points raised somewere the made me laugh, use the u-boats to safe the channels for areial invasion. A good sounding idea in pratcie, but given the royals navys plan in case of invasion was to fling the entire fleet south, thats destroyers, crusiers, battleships and carriers in one last great almost susicde attempt. Given the size of the home fleet i dout they would have even had enought torpedos!. Airsuperitys had to be won first so that the navy could be destroyed peice by peaice.

While invading the Soviet's was obviously a mistake and major miscalculation. Hitler had all the time in the world to sit back and rest his war machine. The core of his army was getting younger and the source for replenishment (mother Germany) was all but out of able bodied men.
Why not stop the invasion for five or six years and allow your troops to better position themselves where they were while reinforcements were being raised and trained? The war fueled the economy which was in great need of something... anything, and war the perfect cure.
Make some bogus political agreements to appease the nearby anxious countries until the war machine once again ran with a full tank of youth.
The problem was Hitler was an economic genius while at the same time a cultural moron. He understood the German's at the time and the state of the economy. While fixing the economy his insane and out of control cultural policies drove him to ruins. Too much, too fast equals one of two things, either extreme restrain and understanding or over confidence and poor judgement. Thank goodness he didn't restrain himself long enough to see what he'd accomplished before going into Russia.

Japan brought america into the war, but america did not declare war on germany, only japan. Hitler declared war on america, thus helping to awake the sleeping giant. Think about it, with no american troops on d-day, the german might have won and might have been able to bomb America.

Butter&Kannonen. The industry didn't switch to a total war industry untill 1944. Untill then the production of consumer goods had priority over arms production. Less then 50% of the industrial production was for the army.

There's a lot of good stuff here, and I especially give props to Hate E and Russka on their posting about what I would say. (I have a Bachelor's degree in History, and had concentrated study in the Habsburg and Hohenzollern monarchies).

BTW, if you are really interested in the subject, Haffner's "The Meaning of Hitler" is probably the best work to reference. A mere 165 pages or so, gives a very good account of factors in Europe, in Germany, and in Hitler for the period.

Most notably:
* The war started too late. * Had the war begun in 1937 (as Hitler wanted!) instead of 1939, Germany would have had a much easier time. The USSR was still purging millions to the gulag, England and the US were virtually unarmed, and German weapons were the best in the world, as proved in the Spanish Civil War. The French and English acceptance at Munich really screwed up his timetable.

As for other mistakes, they are tough to rationalize... he didn't want to invade England, as he hoped the English would become allies (if only of convenience) once France fell. Thus the allowance of Dunkirk.

The invasion of the USSR was an ideological necessity. The NASDP was the complete enemy of Communism, and Communism must be eradicated. This was a core tenent of National Socialism, so the war in the East had to happen. In theory, it *was* successful. The mistake was pushing for two objectives at the same time: Moscow and the oil in the south. Had one been done and then the other (and the stupidity of Stalingrad) happened differently, the Red Army would likely not existed west of the Urals by 1943.

But the worst mistake? Easy. Declaring war on the USA on 10 December, 1944. Had he not done that, the Allies would not have been able to go about the "Europe First" policy, and the US would have put more into the war on Japan instead.
This also means that Operation Overlord would probably not have succeeded (or even occurred!), as most of the gear being used by the Allies was American made. (Polish, Belgian, Free French and other troops were entirely decked out by US made gear. British and Canadian gear was a mixture of US made and their home industry. Most of the transports and planes were US made.) While the Western Allies only accounted for 10% or so of all German casualties, their liberation of Western Europe seriously depleted resources from the war in the East.

...Sorry, that was a bit more than I meant to post!!

Hitler had hoped that either the Soviet Union would see that nobody is helping them and ally with Hitler again or that Britain and the US would start fighting eachother. Declaration of war upon the US was inevitable and in truth it slowed Japans defeat, but his mistake was delcaring it during the same (I may be wrong here) during the same month if not week that the Soviet troops were pushing his army back from Moscow in their counter-offensive. He should have waited until declaring war.

I may be reading this wrong but, are you saying that he did not have a strong army? Yeah, you did read that wrong. I was putting paid to his idea of living space for the german people, in that he really didn't need any. I said nothing about the strength of his army.

That moustache.

hmm, well i seem to be shit at art.
I know why not go into politics???

And if germans had used chemical warfare the soviets might have started using it as well but the westurn allied nations would NOT use chemical weapons(all the western nations follow the geneve convention which OUTLAWS chemical warfare, as a result the western allies would never use chemical warfare even if the germans were using them)

curious. When were chemical weapons banned by the geneva convention.
The reason I ask, is that britain at the time had large stockpiles of mustard gas and such ready to use if the germans invaded.

Did it ever cross your minds that Joesph Stalin was planning to invade the third reich even if hitler never drew first blood. Stalin wanted to invade germany he just needed a little more time to prepare for a war against the axis(he probably wouldve invaded in 1942) Hitler and many high ranking germans knew that war was inevitable with the USSR and why the hell should he wait for the soviets to strike first( he figured the best defence was a good offence)
That is a common theory. However there is no evidence for that.
Lets go back and lock to German foreign policy strategy after Versailles.
The aim even of the democratic parties was to get rid of it - however through peaceful means. Therefore Germany figured up the following. Getting some ties with the USSR to undermine the Versailles treaty and to present itself as counter-balance of an expansionist policy of Soviet Russia. After all: the USSR wanted to export the revolution and was therefore also seen as a thread by France and Britain.
Many of the newly created nations in Eastern Europe where very destable. Yugoslavia led by the Serbs faced internal turmoil due to croat opposition to that state. And in Czechoslovakia Slovak, Hungarian and German minorities where unhappy about the new state led by the Czechs. The only "stable" counter-balance against Germany and the Soviets was Poland. But Poland is located between them. Very dangerous indeed.
The German aim was to use cooperation with the Soviets to get around of some restrictions of Versailles and on the other hand to present themself as an anti-communists power and counter-balance to the Soviets to France and Britain. Via that policy Germany hoped to regain its old status.
The first step in that direction was Rapallo (USSR-Germany) which contained a secret protocoll under which Germany was able to make some flight tests in the USSR in return of german technology to the USSR). So, a way to undermine Versailles. This cooperation lasted from 1922-33. When Hitler came to power he intended to use the foreign policy strategy for his imperialistic aims. But when he banned the german communists it was ended by the Soviets. Then he made a very clever thing. In 1934 he signed an non-agression treaty with Poland (for ten years). By doing so he signalled Britain and France that he would actually be ready to play the role of a counter-balance to the Soviets. The so-called appeasement policy was the result of that - which was actually a rather hawkish strategy directed against the Soviets.
However he went to far for them. When Germany invaded the rest of Czechoslovakia at the begining of 1939 Britain and France gave a security garantee to Poland. So he knew very well that an invasion of Poland would lead to war.
And in that sense the position of the Soviets was important. The western powers and Germany were in that situation most interested in a deal with the Soviets. And Stalin decided for Hitler since he was able to offer him more: half of central eastern Europe. The non-agression pact between the USSR and Germany was signed which included a secret protocol about the division of Eastern Europe. And so it happened. Germany invaded Poland on September 1 and soon after that East Poland, the three baltic states, parts of Romania and Finland were invaded by the Soviets. And then Germany began to invade other countries who would might present a base for a landing of the allied states (like Norway, Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium) before invading France, which fall within 6 weeks after the offensive. In 1941 Yugoslavia and Greece were invaded. The invasion of Greece and especially of Serbia bound a lot of forces (while Croatia, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and Finland where after all allied with Germany). Furthernmore that postponed the date for the operation Barbarosa.
Instead of begining the invasion of the USSR in spring it began in summer. That was to late in the year. So actually the invasion attempt on the Soviets failed firstly for the same reason Napoleon failed in 1812 - the winter and the missing winter equipment.
And since the Blitzkrieg wasn´t successful the question of resources where. And in that field the Soviets had more.
I consider the invasion of the USSR as his biggest military mistake - aside of the fact that he was one of the worst dictators in human history.
There is no evidence that suggests that the USSR wanted an invasion. It was actually to weak for such a thing. The USSR even had problems in fighting against Finland at the winter-campaign in 1939/40. So an assumption that the Soviets intended to invade Germany in 1942 seems completly unrealistic. So it wasn´t a "preventive strike" when Hitler invaded the Soviets. It was an ideologic decision based on his ideology to gain more living room for the german people in the east and because it made it possible to begin the campaign of the "final solution" of the "jewish question" in the shadow of this invasion which detracted attention away from that factor.
The military leadership was very sceptical about it. However after the successes in 1940 (France within six weeks) and the poor performance of the Soviets in 1939/40 against Finnland the opposition became more quiet. Hitler called himself the "greatest commander of all times" which gave rise for some humorous remarks using the the first letters of those words in german (Gröfaz).

And if germans had used chemical warfare the soviets might have started using it as well but the westurn allied nations would NOT use chemical weapons(all the western nations follow the geneve convention which OUTLAWS chemical warfare, as a result the western allies would never use chemical warfare even if the germans were using them)
Quite frankly spoken: if Germany had used it against the western allies they had used it as well. That is for shure. I don´t have the slightest doubt about it. The second world war was a "total war". The reason for Germany not using chemical and biological weapons was the fear of reprisels in the same way.

Hitler had NO intention of attacking the US until AFTER 1945. Japan in all its stupidity decided to attack the US without Hitler's permission. This was all the fault of Japan and in no way related to Hitler and the Nazi's. Obviously Hitler was not happy with Japan's decision to attack the US.

Hitler had NO intention of attacking the US until AFTER 1945. Japan in all its stupidity decided to attack the US without Hitler's permission. This was all the fault of Japan and in no way related to Hitler and the Nazi's. Obviously Hitler was not happy with Japan's decision to attack the US.

the why did he and mussolini declare war on the US.

Hey, I for one agree with Hitler's Final Solution.

Who's with me?

Hitler had NO intention of attacking the US until AFTER 1945. Japan in all its stupidity decided to attack the US without Hitler's permission. This was all the fault of Japan and in no way related to Hitler and the Nazi's. Obviously Hitler was not happy with Japan's decision to attack the US.

Dude, what are you smoking. The against Germany ended in May of 1945. Why would we have attacked him if he didn't declare war on us. We would have attacked Japan. He declared war on us December 10, 1941. Now if you are saying that he wiouldn't have declared war on us if Japan hadn't attacked, that has some truth. But Hitler could have delayed declaring war on us for long periods of time. His mistake was that he didn't.

curious. When were chemical weapons banned by the geneva convention.
The reason I ask, is that britain at the time had large stockpiles of mustard gas and such ready to use if the germans invaded.
And Anthrax. Don't forget Anthrax.

And if germans had used chemical warfare the soviets might have started using it as well but the westurn allied nations would NOT use chemical weapons(all the western nations follow the geneva convention which OUTLAWS chemical warfare, as a result the western allies would never use chemical warfare even if the germans were using them)

Yeah...just like they didn't firebomb Dresden or Tokyo. Oh wait, they did! The Geneva Convention got tossed out a lot in that war, and the Allies *would* have responded in kind if gas attacks had been used against them.

Japan brought america into the war, but america did not declare war on germany, only japan. Hitler declared war on america, thus helping to awake the sleeping giant. Think about it, with no american troops on d-day, the german might have won and might have been able to bomb America.

You're assuming we wouldn't have declared war on them.

3.Declaring war on the US: We were isolated from him in such a way that he coulkd not attack us while we could send equipment overseas to Britain. We were then a economic and industrial power like none other, by the end of 1943 America was producing 8000 aircraft each month.


it was the japanese who declared war on the americans... or sneak attacked, which is pretty much a declaration of war without the formality.

so i would say the mistake hitler made was alling with the japanese.

it was the japanese who declared war on the americans... or sneak attacked, which is pretty much a declaration of war without the formality.

so i would say the mistake hitler made was alling with the japanese.


Er... Hitler officially declared war on the United States on 10 or 11 December, 1941. Go look it up if you don't believe me, but it's true. Just type "Hitler declares war on USA" into google...

Hitler could've been a great leader if he wasn't nuts. Had he not tried to kill everyone who wasn't "aryan" he could've had it made. But he decided to suck at not being an asshole.

it was the japanese who declared war on the americans... or sneak attacked, which is pretty much a declaration of war without the formality.

so i would say the mistake hitler made was alling with the japanese.

Hitler was never actually allied to the Japanese, they only had a pact that said they would defend each other, but only when attacked, not doing the attacking. Hitler wanted Japan to attack the Soviets in the Far East (which would have seriously put a dent in the Soviet counter to Operation Typhoon), but they, having already been slaughtered at Nomanhan/Khalkin Gol in 1939, did not want to send sufficient forces to fight the Soviets. So the Japanese did not come to Hitler's side in his little war, but, as an ackowledgement of Japan's status as an ally, Hitler declared war on the US when Japan did (well, 3 days later), the Japanese nevere returned the favor.

From my viewpoint, Hitler's greatest mistakes during the majority of WW2 were:

1) Failing to create balanced forces. German Panzergruppe were only effective in the beginning of the war because of the close support they had from the Luftwaffe, using the Blitzkrieg doctrine. Pz-I, II, and III tanks are remarkably weak, when compared to the Allied tanks of the time. The reason that the Panzers were effective was partially due to the Ju-88s shrieking down and putting a two-fifty through your turret hatch, but also because Allied armoured units were dispersed too widely. Had the Germans developed more effective armour, such as the Pz-IV, and copied the more effective enemy designs (As they later did), then they would have had a slightly more decisive advantage on the ground.

The reason Panzers were so effective is, as you stated, ebcuase of close air support, and grouping their tanks into single divisions. Considering how new most of the design techniques that went into the Panzer III were, it is doubtful they could produce the Panzer IV any faster then they did IRL. The Panzer IV was superior to every Western tank until the introduction of the Sherman, and better than most Soviet Armour.

2) Failing to end a "War on Two Fronts." Maintaining diplomacy with North America is crucial, so as to avoid a two-front war once the UK was crushed. Due to the failure of "Operation Sealion", this became impossible.

Operation Sealion was doomed on September 3rd, 1939, it could never have been acheived.

3) At Dunkirk, as was mentioned above, the Panzergruppe and other arrayed Kampfgruppe should have been allowed to annhilate the trapped Commonwealth and French forces. Herman Goring is squarely to blame about this.

It's not completely Goering's fault, the Seventh Panzer Division had just been rather brutally counter-attacked by the British at Arras, and almost had their flank turned, this had scared the Germans very badly, they were still not aware of how complete their victory had been, and they were also busy reducing the French First Army at Lille, which only surrendered once it was out of ammunition, and had to reduce the British divisions that did not reach the Channel, and Calais. Short of possessing some kind of psychic powers to see just how badly hurt the British were, it's fairly unfathomably the Germans would attack. Not to mention that particular area is very hilly and cut by many rivers and bogs, it's not ideal at all for offensive operations.

4) The Kriegsmarine wasn't entirely to blame about the failure of Operation Sealion. The Luftwaffe should not have switched to attacking civilian population centers in retaliation for raids carried out on German targets. (This switch was made on Hitler's orders.) The Kriegsmarine also should have been given more time to prepare, and additional intelligence should have been developed about;

Even without the switch, Sealion still fails. The RAF was far outproducing Germany in terms of fighters, and was still fighting over it's homeland. It could fall back on bases in Northern England, Scotland, and Wales, and keep the fight going from there. And the Kreigsmarine was never able to challenge the Royal Navy, and though the Luftwaffe had been training, they had not shown any ability to destroy RN forces in the Channel. Not to mention how unpreprepared the Heer was for an amphibious invasion, and that the barges to be used were causing enormous strain on the Ruhr industrial valley by their absence.

5) Operation Barbarossa, the invasion of Russia. Had additional intel been properly developed by German units prior to the jump-off of this operation, sucess would have been assured. A proper time table needed to be prepared, and being surprised by the "Klementi Voriloshov" (KV-1, KV-2) type tanks should NOT have happened. Same with the T-34/Mod.41 - T-34/85 "Cavalry Breakthrough Machines."

Hitler certainly made a lot of mistakes in this, but this war was inevitable, Had he not gone off on his Balkan adventure, he would not have wasted those precious weeks needed to sustain the advance on Moscow, not even Kiev was as great a mistake as this.

And if it was up to hitler then he would start a global conflict in 1944 rather then 1939( he didnt think britain and france would make such a fuss over poland considering they gave away austria,half of the czech republic, and let the germans remilitirize the rhine with virtually no resistence)

Had he waited until 1944, it would have been far easier for the Allies to win the war. Without War, the German economy would have collapsed sometime around 1941, and the Western remilitarization would have been completed, which started after Munich.

About the evacuation of german troops in norway to assist the battle of the bulge there actually were several ways the germans couldve taken taken 400,000 troops. for instance instead of using ships to supply the army stationed at norway hitler couldve used those ships to transport the army to denmark

Almost all of the troops in Norway were barely even third-rate quality divisions, they would have made little effect on the Ardennes Offensive. Not to mention they didn't even have enough supplies to support the forces they used in the Offensive, what would they have done with 400,000 more. And the supplies being sent to Norway were not that many, most of the supplies gathered were from Norway itself, Germany did not have a Navy large enough to protect supply convoys from roving Allied patrols.

(he also couldve used the small but sufficient amount of transport planes he had left to transport the army)

Utter suicide considering how complete Western Aerial Supremacy was after 1943, he would have lost almost all his planes, and every troop inside of them.

and believe me the ocean north of denmark was NOT swarming with allied subs(the main reason why the allies never attempted to stage an amphibious assault on norway and then invade germany from the north was because they never truly gained naval superiority in that area, germans u boats continued to operate in that area even after hitler's suicide and only gave up because admiral dornitz had ordered them to do so on may 1945)

They don't have to be, the transports are easily hit by the RAF and USAAF, the Luftwaffe had nothing to stop this with, without pulling fighters off of Reich Defense, and even then it probably would not have stopped the Allied Air Forces.

I may be reading this wrong but, are you saying that he did not have a strong army? In truth he had one of the most powerful armies ever. Stronger than both France and Britain combined and even a bit of the US force added to that. After WWI, the treaty of Versailles was based solely on the fact that the Germans would agree. Britain and France didn't want to fight, so Germany could ignore it and massively build up weapons.

The Heer was not stronger then the French, British, and American armies combined, it just happened to catch the first unawares and unprepared, the second barely able to deploy, and the third didn't come in until late in the war. On brute strength, the US and Soviet Union had by far the strongest armies, a US division consumed as much supplies as eight Germany or Soviet Divisions.

Also Vernii, it appears that you have duaghts that GHitler had any chance of ever winning the war (NOTE: I am anti-Hitler and don't believe that he was a good leader, a motivating one, but not a good one). Just one question, are you British because, no offense meant, British and most Americans have a hard time believing that there was a chance of us losing. Anyways, the Luftwaffe was twice the size as the RAF.

The Luftwaffe was only twice the size of the RAF at the very beginning of the war, the RAF matched the Luftwaffe in size afterwords, and producing far more fighters than the Germans. And German Air production doesn't even come close to US Air Production, which was the largest in the world (96,000).

Another mistake that may possibly convince you was that Hitler could of mass produced his ME-262's, which had a cruise speed 120 MPH faster than the fastest allied planes maximum speed,

Not the Meteor. And he could not have mass-produced them, had he not put the jet fighter projects aside, it is not easy to discern if the ME-262 would have been developed along the same lines (It was developed mostly to combat the Strategic Air menace). It was not particularly good at what it did either, since it was used as a fighter-bomber far too often, the Luftwaffe lacked trained pilots, or a good pilot-replacement program, and fuel.

in 40 instead of 43-44 he could have crushed the RAF.

The earliest a viable jet fighter could have been produced would have been 1943.

One time, during a bombing raid on Germany, the Allies sent in 25 Bombers and 34 escort fghters. The 262's shot down 15 fighters and 7 bombers with out getting hit once. Now imagine, the German war machine would have massed produced these and destroyed the RAF. Allied Generals were mad because, "these planes were flying in circles arounf ours and we couldn't do anything about it."

Had the ME-262 appeared earlier, the Allies would likely have sped up their own programs. Almost every nation had a prototype jet fighter by at least 1939, none were sent to combat squadrons until 1945 however, had the Germans jumped the gun, the early US and British fighters would have taken to the air, and they can easily outnumber the German fighters, with the far larger production capabilities.