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*We can only specualte on how many peoples minds Bush needlessly tromatized with his uncessary war in Iraq and if Bush wins re-elections and starts 4 more wars how many more lives he will destroy as a result of his oil terrorism

Soldier Kills Himself Day After Return Home From Iraq
In New Hampshire, a member of the state's Air National Guard has killed himself one day after returning home from Iraq from a six-month tour. Technical Sergeant Dave Guindon was 48 years old. The Iraq war marked the first time members of New Hampshire's Air National Guard had ever participated in Army combat missions
www.democracynow.org

Errrrr.... so... a soldier kills himself, and you blame it on Bush?

Wow you people absolutely LOVE to do ANYTHING you can to make someone you don't like look bad don't you?

Errrrr.... so... a soldier kills himself, and you blame it on Bush?

Wow you people absolutely LOVE to do ANYTHING you can to make someone you don't like look bad don't you?
foxnews set that standard during the Clinton years ;)

You know after wars theres always some returning vets who cant take it and kill themselves that number is extremely extremely low. But no matter what there will be soldiers who just lose it and kill themselves. Theres more people who commit suicide that havent been on a battlefield then there are who were.

That's what war will do to you. I've heard of stuff like this happening in the past.

You know after wars theres always some returning vets who cant take it and kill themselves that number is extremely extremely low. But no matter what there will be soldiers who just lose it and kill themselves. Theres more people who commit suicide that havent been on a battlefield then there are who were.
there were news storys just a few months ago about the high rate of soldier suicides in Iraq tho

That's what war will do to you. I've heard of stuff like this happening in the past.
in which wars? nom?

foxnews set that standard during the Clinton years ;)

Lol never said I approved of that either :P

in which wars? nom?

WWI. Case that comes to my mind the clearest is the leader of "the lost battalion" he killed himself after the war.

WWII. The Captain of the Indianapolis committed suicide after the war.

Korea. cant think of any examples for korea

Vietnam. a slightly higher percentage compared to other wars for bad post war effects on soldiers.

WWI. Case that comes to my mind the clearest is the leader of "the lost battalion" he killed himself after the war.

WWII. The Captain of the Indianapolis committed suicide after the war.

Korea. cant think of any examples for korea

Vietnam. a slightly higher percentage compared to other wars for bad post war effects on soldiers.
if Bush gets re-elected to start armaggedon there will prolly be millions of soldier suicides

Your proof or even real reasoning that shows Bush being re-elected will lead to Armageddon comes from where?

Your proof or even real reasoning that shows Bush being re-elected will lead to Armageddon comes from where?
Bushs extremist brand of christian fundamentalism

I hate bush as much as the next liberal, but come on! This is silly. If the guy couldn't hack going to war, he should never have signed up. Even if you blamed the army for not diagnosing him and sending him to a psychiatrist, that would be a little harsh. But to blame the president for not identifying one man who shouldn't have been sent. That is unreasonable.

On second thoughts, when did reason ever come into American political debate?

if Bush gets re-elected to start armaggedon there will prolly be millions of soldier suicidesAh, be realistic, it won't be armaggedon, that would be bad for business. You can't make a buck if the world's destroyed, it will just be lots of small scale wars.

Your proof or even real reasoning that shows Bush being re-elected will lead to Armageddon comes from where?

Hey check out this link, the write is from the washington post, and was made popular over the watergate scandal.

Click On This Link (http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/04/08/far04028.html)

Basically says that bush has been sleeping with the far right, sumthing weve already known, but just dig into it deeper and you'll be kinda shocked at the shit it says.

Granted i believe bush is doing more political maneuvering, then thinking of the rapture when he does his mideast policy. Its just a fact that he has to apease his far right. I dont like it, but i understand.

MKULTRA im actually surprised you knew anything about this one : )
i just found this out like last week from a coworker.

Bush, the bloodthirsty monster (http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/042803_vatican.html)

What the hell were you expecting from a war MK?

Ya know.....

I personally knew 16 individuals who committed suicide while I was in the USAF. Thats right, 16. They did so during the Reagan, Bush and Clinton years. Were either of those presidents to blame for their actions? No. Suicide is a permanent fix to a temporary problem and is used for many reasons. Ultimately however, it is the individuals responsibility for his/her own actions. It is noone elses fault, period.

I did not read the article, but from my experience, most military suicides are due to relationship issues or immaturity brought out due to being away from home for the first time.

If you want to blame Bush for an illegitimate war, I'm with you 100%. But war is traumatising in any circumstance, whether the war is fought for legitimate (if such a thing exists) reasons or illegitimate reasons. If you want to blame anyone for that soldier's suicide, blame humanity: it seems that we just can't get along peacefully.

More of MK's twisted logic and the blame game.

If the soldier killed himself, he already had a propensity or likelihood to suicide to begin with. Just given the sheer numbers of current soldiers and veteran soldiers of war(s) over time, the suicide rate among members of the military is no worse than in the general population. Having lived in San Diego almost all my life (a huge military town with the US Marines Camp Pendelton, MiraMar Air-Station {formerly 'Top Gun' school}, the Navy's Western Fleet AND Submarine Fleet headquartered here, and the Coast Guard and even Air Force personnel), and having once worked for the Medical Examiners Office (Coroner), I can tell you first hand that the suicide rate in military households is actually very low compared to the general pop. And the general population in San Diego consists largely of military dependants. The fact that his 6 months in Iraq may have been the trigger, it could have been any number of things that would have eventually triggered his suicide anyway. Be it a disasterous relationship, alcohol/drug addiction, deep depression, whatever.

Blaming his ill/weak mind and thirst for death on Bush is like blaming the manufacturer of whatever device he used to facilitate his suicide.

Hey check out this link, the write is from the washington post, and was made popular over the watergate scandal.

Click On This Link (http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/04/08/far04028.html)

Basically says that bush has been sleeping with the far right, sumthing weve already known, but just dig into it deeper and you'll be kinda shocked at the shit it says.

Granted i believe bush is doing more political maneuvering, then thinking of the rapture when he does his mideast policy. Its just a fact that he has to apease his far right. I dont like it, but i understand.

MKULTRA im actually surprised you knew anything about this one : )
i just found this out like last week from a coworker.ever since 911 I havent trusted Bush in any capacity

More of MK's twisted logic and the blame game.

If the soldier killed himself, he already had a propensity or likelihood to suicide to begin with.
Blaming his ill/weak mind and thirst for death on Bush is like blaming the manufacturer of whatever device he used to facilitate his suicide.

Suicide rates among homosexuals kids are several times higher than with "normal" kids. You're saying that this is NOT caused by society's ill acceptance of gays? This is caused by their ill/weak mind?
I think MANY people have a propensity to suicide, but in most it never really happens because they are never pushed to the limit (by for example war, depression, etc.)
It's not because someone has a propensity to suicide that the people surrounding him hold no responsibility in his suicide if they pushed him to his limit.

----"Having lived in San Diego almost all my life (a huge military town with the US Marines Camp Pendelton, MiraMar Air-Station {formerly 'Top Gun' school}, the Navy's Western Fleet AND Submarine Fleet headquartered here, and the Coast Guard and even Air Force personnel), And the general population in San Diego consists largely of military dependants."

What not even a honorable mention to NAB Coronado? I must say other than the medium house mortgage of over $500,000, it was a fun city to party in. Just stay away from Thads!

in which wars? nom?
Viet Nam
WW I
WW II
etc.

ever since 911 I havent trusted Bush in any capacity

I never trusted Bush in any capacity, but come on man, Bush doesn't run the US government, Cheney does. Bush justs takes naps and reads off of teleprompters (when he isn't fucking up, that is). And I haven't trusted Cheney since his tenure in Reagan's Whitehouse.