NationStates Jolt Archive


Movie: Open Water

Opal Isle
24-08-2004, 06:21
It blows. That movie sucked so bad it's MST3k-able. In fact, I MST3ked it while I watched it.
Opal Isle
25-08-2004, 04:28
Anyone else seen this movie yet?
New Foxxinnia
25-08-2004, 04:36
We need more MST3Ks.
Opal Isle
25-08-2004, 04:40
This is true. I think they should MST3k Open Water as soon as it leaves theaters...
ModAlert
25-08-2004, 05:10
It blows. That movie sucked so bad it's MST3k-able.

The previews were so terrible I knew I could not wait to miss it.
Opal Isle
25-08-2004, 05:15
Okay. Here is the movie.

-They are at their house, getting ready to leave.
-They leave and the next scene, they are on the beach.
-Next, they are in their hotel room. The chick is naked. They are about to have sex; she claims to say that they can talk. He agrees that he is tired and not in the mood. That was the best part of the movie probably.
-The next morning, they are on the boat.
-After a boat ride, they are in the middle of the ocean. They go scuba diving and there is a headcount, but they counted wrong the second time to see how many people were back on the boat.
-The couple is left in the ocean.
-There is about an hour's worth of scenes of them in the ocean crying, screaming, freaking out, arguing, etcetera.
-The man gets attacked by a shark.
-Morning comes, the man is dead. She pushes him off and looks away until he is gobbled up by sharks. Boats and rescue vehicles and such are on their way.
-The woman lets herself drown.
-The credits roll.
Opal Isle
25-08-2004, 05:16
If you don't want to have the movie spoiled, just know that I explained essentially every detail of the 79 minute movie in that block and put every sentence (some are as short as 5 words) on a different line...
Opal Isle
25-08-2004, 05:20
Open Water (in a nutshell):

http://www.hwea.org/img/clean/ocean.jpg

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:QoFXJSnpT6IJ:ms.mathscience.k12.va.us/lessons/ocean/shark.GIF

http://www.thesharkdoctor.com/shark-attack1.jpg (except it doesn't actually show the guy get eaten...so my version of Open Water is better than the one you would pay $7.50 for)
Jets to Brazil
25-08-2004, 05:24
i saw it...

and it sucked ass. your right, i was disgusted by the shitiness of that movie. If i want to be stuck with a loving couple off of a south american coast, ill fly to Brazil myself.

screw open water- it sucked. Complete waste of money.
Opal Isle
25-08-2004, 05:28
i saw it...

and it sucked ass. your right, i was disgusted by the shitiness of that movie. If i want to be stuck with a loving couple off of a south american coast, ill fly to Brazil myself.

screw open water- it sucked. Complete waste of money.
Did you read my spoiler? I am leaving ANYTHING out? By the way, if you paid for it, you got double screwed. I work at a theater so I didn't pay for it. I just got screwed out of 79 minutes.
Jets to Brazil
25-08-2004, 05:31
the spoiler is perfect. maybe make it a little longer and more boring...

you seen the village? that movie rocked...
Opal Isle
25-08-2004, 05:32
the spoiler is perfect. maybe make it a little longer and more boring...

you seen the village? that movie rocked...
Not yet, and haven't heard awesome things either. I'm seeing Suspect Zero on Friday.
Zachnia
25-08-2004, 05:42
Anyone else seen this movie yet?


I saw it, and I thought it was awesome. Why didn't you like it?

It sucked if you were looking for the next jaws, it wasn't that, it was really different, but it was brilliant, I thought. I liked that the main characters weren't stupid, like so many horror movie characters are, and that they weren't annoying to each other throughout the movie, and that it didn't give in to the "everything turns out ok" ending. it was truly original.
Opal Isle
25-08-2004, 05:43
I saw it, and I thought it was awesome. Why didn't you like it?
Did you read the disclaimer in my sig before you posted that? I think you're going to have to be the first person I apply that to...
Zachnia
25-08-2004, 05:47
Did you read the disclaimer in my sig before you posted that? I think you're going to have to be the first person I apply that to...

what are you talking about? what sig?


EDIT: found it. fine use it. the movie still rocked.
Opal Isle
25-08-2004, 05:48
You have to turn on sigs in your profile, anyway:

DISCLAIMER: I reserve the right to use any reply to the above post at http://life.short.be/ to make a fool out of you.
Opal Isle
25-08-2004, 05:51
I saw it, and I thought it was awesome. Why didn't you like it?

It sucked if you were looking for the next jaws, it wasn't that, it was really different, but it was brilliant, I thought. I liked that the main characters weren't stupid, like so many horror movie characters are, and that they weren't annoying to each other throughout the movie, and that it didn't give in to the "everything turns out ok" ending. it was truly original.
uh...I was looking for Jaws...but I wasn't looking for 60 minutes of wasted film either.
Jets to Brazil
25-08-2004, 05:55
uh...I was looking for Jaws...but I wasn't looking for 60 minutes of wasted film either.

THIS MOVIE HAD POTENTIAL. I wasnt looking for Jaws, but i wasnt looking for a movie i could have filmed with a camera, toy sharks, and a friend.
Zachnia
25-08-2004, 05:56
uh...I was looking for Jaws...but I wasn't looking for 60 minutes of wasted film either.

You haven't even said why you didn't like the movie yet. You've just been insulting it.

It's not like it was footage of them floating out there for more than an hour or whatever. They had to face multiple challenges for survival. Plus, you watch them break down completely over the course of the movie which is really freaky.
Opal Isle
25-08-2004, 05:57
THIS MOVIE HAD POTENTIAL. I wasnt looking for Jaws, but i wasnt looking for a movie i could have filmed with a camera, toy sharks, and a friend.
A friend who would get naked and throw up...

Seriously, all the actors where shit.
There was no story line excluding the first fifteen and the last five minutes.
The sharks should've killed them in the first passing. If they did that, the movie would've been extremely better. It would've wasted less of my time, and there would be less of the pointless shots of water and out of place shots of people in clubs...
Opal Isle
25-08-2004, 05:59
You haven't even said why you didn't like the movie yet. You've just been insulting it.

It's not like it was footage of them floating out there for more than an hour or whatever. They had to face multiple challenges for survival. Plus, you watch them break down completely over the course of the movie which is really freaky.
No. It sucked. Besides, the movie is "based on true events" but no one survives. How do they know that the sharks didn't just immediately gobble them down? The movie is total BS. Besides, there is nothing you have to do to survive. There is not much you could do. You just have to sit out in the water and hope for the best.
Opal Isle
25-08-2004, 06:01
Well, I take everything I've said back. I suppose if you've never done anything remotely adventerous, the movie might not be a waste of time, but it's a waste of money if you get stuck paying for it.
Zachnia
25-08-2004, 06:05
Well, I take everything I've said back. I suppose if you've never done anything remotely adventerous, the movie might not be a waste of time, but it's a waste of money if you get stuck paying for it.

the reason they say based on true events is because its a hypothesis. Although we do know they made it through the morning, apparently they left a message on something or other. Never done anything adverturous? I'd say for a 15 year old I've been plenty adventurous, nd I don't get how you're deciding whether something is a watse of time or money.

Anyway, it's probably just a difference of opinion anyway, but the movie was good.
Opal Isle
25-08-2004, 06:06
the reason they say based on true events is because its a hypothesis. Although we do know they made it through the morning, apparently they left a message on something or other. Never done anything adverturous? I'd say for a 15 year old I've been plenty adventurous, nd I don't get how you're deciding whether something is a watse of time or money.

Anyway, it's probably just a difference of opinion anyway, but the movie was good.
No, you enjoyed the movie. The movie itself was terrible. And what are these "plenty adventurous" things you've done?
Jets to Brazil
25-08-2004, 06:12
i went on a 5 day canoe trip with a friend 100 miles last month. We lived only with what we brought with us. It fucking rocked.

I went to Japan for a year by myself.
Im going to Brazil this winter by myself.
Im going to Germany next summer by myself.

I paid for all that shit by myself.

I just turned 17 a couple days ago.

Ive done and am doing plenty of adventerous shit- and i hated that bloody movie.
Opal Isle
25-08-2004, 06:15
Which is why I wasn't asking you...I was asking the guy who enjoyed the movie...

I've been on numerous canoeing trips and I want to go on a canoeing trip down the Colorado through the Grand Canyon plus a Vegas trip all in one for my 21st spring break (in 2 and a half years).
I also used to go caving/camping/camping in caves once a month but now it's been cut back some..
Jets to Brazil
25-08-2004, 06:19
oh ya- and im gonna do a road trip across the US with my highschool buds before i hit college. :D
Lunatic Goofballs
25-08-2004, 06:21
So what you're saying is: Wait for the book.

...then don't read it. :)
Opal Isle
25-08-2004, 06:21
So what you're saying is: Wait for the book.

...then don't read it. :)
No, just read the summary of the movie/book that I posted on page one under the spoiler.
Lunatic Goofballs
25-08-2004, 06:27
Reminds me of the 'Family Guy' episode where Brian is describing a movie(The Blair WItch Project) to a blind person.

"They're going into the woods to make some movie about a witch. ...Nothing's happening...nothing's happening... SOmething about a map. I wasn't paying attention. ...Nothing's happening...Nothing's happening...Nothing's happening... It's over. A lot of people in the audience look pissed."
Opal Isle
25-08-2004, 06:30
Reminds me of the 'Family Guy' episode where Brian is describing a movie(The Blair WItch Project) to a blind person.

"They're going into the woods to make some movie about a witch. ...Nothing's happening...nothing's happening... SOmething about a map. I wasn't paying attention. ...Nothing's happening...Nothing's happening...Nothing's happening... It's over. A lot of people in the audience look pissed."
LOL !! EXACTLY!!

"They're going to the ocean to go scuba diving...they're idiots and got left behind...nothing's happening...nothing's happening...nothing's happening...nothing's happening..., oh wait, jelly fish, nothing's happening...nothing's happening...nothing's happening...nothing's happening...,sharks,nothing's happening...nothing's happening...nothing's happening...nothing's happening...nothing's happening...hmm...they're dead and the movie is over...a lot of the people in the audience are just sitting around lookin' confused...nothing's happening...nothing's happening...credits are done rolling, everyone's still confused, not going anywhere...nothing's happening...nothing's happening...lobby music starts playing, people decide to leave.
Jets to Brazil
25-08-2004, 06:44
LOL !! EXACTLY!!

"They're going to the ocean to go scuba diving...they're idiots and got left behind...nothing's happening...nothing's happening...nothing's happening...nothing's happening..., oh wait, jelly fish, nothing's happening...nothing's happening...nothing's happening...nothing's happening...,sharks,nothing's happening...nothing's happening...nothing's happening...nothing's happening...nothing's happening...hmm...they're dead and the movie is over...a lot of the people in the audience are just sitting around lookin' confused...nothing's happening...nothing's happening...credits are done rolling, everyone's still confused, not going anywhere...nothing's happening...nothing's happening...lobby music starts playing, people decide to leave.
:D
Opal Isle
25-08-2004, 06:46
That's pretty accurate too, eh?
Opal Isle
26-08-2004, 05:05
I haven't seen it but from what I've seen and heard...
I really have to question the "trueness" factor of this movie. They constantly show the people in the water surrounded by sharks. Sharks wouldn't gather around anything floating on the surface unless it was bleeding profusely. Which I don't think the divers were. (Opal correct me on that if I'm wrong.)
I dive myself and I have been in the water with sharks,m none of them took any notice of me or any of the other divers in the water, they just swam by like we were nothing.

Another thing, how long were those people out there?
Any idiot should know the general direction of shore when their out on the water, so they could have use their compasses(all divers are supposed to have compasses, especially if they are in open water like the movie shows), get a heading and swim in that direction till they could see the shore. They would also know to drop their weight belts in a situation like that and keep their B.C.s fully inflated.

Lastly, that would have to be an incredibly stupid boat crew to leave them there. Every boat I, or a someone else I know who dives, has ever been on, requires each person to sign a board or make some sort of mark telling the crew who is going under, so the boat won't leave untill everyone is accounted for.

This movie seems like just another movie trying to sell itself on peoples fears of what they don't understand; in this case it's sharks.
Comments to come.
Opal Isle
26-08-2004, 05:12
1) For the majority of the movie, the sharks didn't really swarm around them and what not until the man started bleeding, but it's not real clear as to how he starts bleeding. He gets a chunk taken out of his leg and I assume it's because of a shark, I don't know.

2) The people were in the water a 9:35 on the first day and the lady drown herself at 8:55 on the second day. The man died over the night.

3) They both kept their weights for a long time until the girl was starting to feel sick, so the man suggested she take her weights out to relieve some of the stress on her stomach.

4) I don't know what a B.C. is.

5) They didn't start swimming at first because they were halfway between two boats and they weren't sure which was there boat. Anyway, the man also commented that swim or not, they wouldn't go anywhere that the current didn't want them to go (it was pointed out early on that they were drifting).

6) It was an amateur diving thing...they weren't pros.

7) Here is how they got left behind. The guy did a head count, and to make sure all the people got back on, he marked a board when ever someone got back on the boat, but he marked two people twice (because they went back in after he marked them and then marked them again when they came out). The couple that got stuck just happened to be the last pair and were left.

8) It is supposedly based on a true story.
The Land of the Enemy
26-08-2004, 05:23
4) I don't know what a B.C. is.




The B.C.(sometimes called the BCD) is the bouyancy compensator device. It is attached to the tank through a low pressure hose and allows you to fill it with air so you can float on the surface without treading water the whole time. And dropping the weights is the first thing you should do in an emergancy situation. All things I mentioned are things you're taught in basic diving courses that you have to take before you can even dive.

One other thing I'm curious about is what did the two do when they first started seeing sharks?
Opal Isle
26-08-2004, 05:25
Well then...I guess the movie sucks even more than I thought. The only intelligence the people had was that the guy had watched Shark Week...
Opal Isle
26-08-2004, 05:27
One other thing I'm curious about is what did the two do when they first started seeing sharks?
The guy had seen Shark Week so he said not to worry, but the first one like splashed up at the surface real quick and it surprised them, but the first time they really, really started freaking out was when the jelly fish were stinging them.
The Gaza Strip
26-08-2004, 05:29
I haven't seen it, and I never intend to. It looks like crap. Two people floating for 2 hours? What a shitty idea for a movie!

Hey producers of this movie: :upyours:
Opal Isle
26-08-2004, 05:33
I haven't seen it, and I never intend to. It looks like crap. Two people floating for 2 hours? What a shitty idea for a movie!

Hey producers of this movie: :upyours:
79 minutes...where you pay the same price to get like 240 minutes of good storyline if you watch LotR:RotK.
Opal Isle
26-08-2004, 05:34
And 79 minutes is really short for a movie, but trust me, you'll feel like it lasted for like 3 hours....
The Land of the Enemy
26-08-2004, 05:40
Well then...I guess the movie sucks even more than I thought. The only intelligence the people had was that the guy had watched Shark Week...


Well.. If anyone in movies had the slightest iota of common sense, then no movies would be worth watching because the characters would figure everything out and do smart things and everyone would live happily ever after. UGH
Opal Isle
26-08-2004, 05:46
Well.. If anyone in movies had the slightest iota of common sense, then no movies would be worth watching because the characters would figure everything out and do smart things and everyone would live happily ever after. UGH
Have you seen Manchurian Candidate? That didn't rely on stupid characters. How about Sphere? ...or The Day After Tomorrow?

...just to name a few...
MKULTRA
26-08-2004, 05:49
Reminds me of the 'Family Guy' episode where Brian is describing a movie(The Blair WItch Project) to a blind person.

"They're going into the woods to make some movie about a witch. ...Nothing's happening...nothing's happening... SOmething about a map. I wasn't paying attention. ...Nothing's happening...Nothing's happening...Nothing's happening... It's over. A lot of people in the audience look pissed."
well they wanted it to be realistic thats why nothing happened
*but actually something did happen at the end--that kid was staring at the wall
Opal Isle
26-08-2004, 05:51
well they wanted it to be realistic thats why nothing happened
Which is why it sucked.
Opal Isle
26-08-2004, 05:52
*but actually something did happen at the end--that kid was staring at the wall
What?
Zachnia
26-08-2004, 05:54
Have you seen Manchurian Candidate? That didn't rely on stupid characters. How about Sphere? ...or The Day After Tomorrow?

...just to name a few...

The people, especially the main characters, weren't stupid. And teh one potentially annoying guy in the movie (the guy who miscounted on the boat) is exempt, because that actually happened in real life.

As far as the nothing happened part, you're just wrong lol. stuff did happen. I'm sorry if you go to movies relying on lots of action and fighting scenes and stuff like that, but this just required a little more thought. You needed to try and put yourself in that position and try to comprehend the complete helplessnes of their entire situation. You needed to sort of see beyong just the words they were saying and view their complete breakedown from being hopeful and happy, to literally suicidal.
MKULTRA
26-08-2004, 05:55
I haven't seen it, and I never intend to. It looks like crap. Two people floating for 2 hours? What a shitty idea for a movie!

Hey producers of this movie: :upyours:
but the woman was pretty and you got to see her tits TWICE
MKULTRA
26-08-2004, 05:57
Which is why it sucked.
you were supposd to imagine things happening
MKULTRA
26-08-2004, 05:58
What?
in the movie theater lol
Opal Isle
26-08-2004, 05:58
The people, especially the main characters, weren't stupid. And teh one potentially annoying guy in the movie (the guy who miscounted on the boat) is exempt, because that actually happened in real life.

As far as the nothing happened part, you're just wrong lol. stuff did happen. I'm sorry if you go to movies relying on lots of action and fighting scenes and stuff like that, but this just required a little more thought. You needed to try and put yourself in that position and try to comprehend the complete helplessnes of their entire situation. You needed to sort of see beyong just the words they were saying and view their complete breakedown from being hopeful and happy, to literally suicidal.
Dude, first, don't flame when you don't know what you're talking about.
Second, a real scuba diver has posted on this thread commenting on the stupid things they did indeed do in the movie.
Third, the movie could have been compressed to a 30 minute time block on TV including commercials. Have of the movie was wasted film. What the hell was with all the cut shots going to the ocean and the people in resteraunts and stuff? This isn't a debate. You may have enjoyed the movie, but it was a bad movie. I understand that it is about their mental breakdown and not about the action, but it even failed in that regard. Besides that, a lot of movies that actually go somewhere have a lot of the mental aspect in them if you would actually pay attention. In fact, if you want to see a good movie about people in the middle of the ocean mentally breaking down and going mad and such, watch Sphere.
MKULTRA
26-08-2004, 06:00
Dude, first, don't flame when you don't know what you're talking about.
Second, a real scuba diver has posted on this thread commenting on the stupid things they did indeed do in the movie.
Third, the movie could have been compressed to a 30 minute time block on TV including commercials. Have of the movie was wasted film. What the hell was with all the cut shots going to the ocean and the people in resteraunts and stuff? This isn't a debate. You may have enjoyed the movie, but it was a bad movie. I understand that it is about their mental breakdown and not about the action, but it even failed in that regard. Besides that, a lot of movies that actually go somewhere have a lot of the mental aspect in them if you would actually pay attention. In fact, if you want to see a good movie about people in the middle of the ocean mentally breaking down and going mad and such, watch Sphere.
I think the clubs scenes was to make you feel jealos
Jets to Brazil
26-08-2004, 06:04
I think the clubs scenes was to make you feel jealos

hey TRA. you know me?

2 words-- FUA Illumni.

Guess.
MKULTRA
26-08-2004, 06:07
hey TRA. you know me?

2 words-- FUA Illumni.

Guess.
gimme one more hint
MKULTRA
26-08-2004, 06:08
hey TRA. you know me?

2 words-- FUA Illumni.

Guess.whats the password (Kiszarasu?)
Jets to Brazil
26-08-2004, 06:09
ill give u a TG.
Opal Isle
26-08-2004, 06:09
I think the clubs scenes was to make you feel jealos
You know...you pay a little under a dime per minute to see that movie...holy shit...that's a little less than $6.00/hr which is more than I earn working at the movie theater...and I'm not boring, trite, shit...Letila was right, I am underpaid!!! j/k
MKULTRA
26-08-2004, 06:10
ill give u a TG.
aight but Im not logged on
MKULTRA
26-08-2004, 06:12
You know...you pay a little under a dime per minute to see that movie...holy shit...that's a little less than $6.00/hr which is more than I earn working at the movie theater...and I'm not boring, trite, shit...Letila was right, I am underpaid!!! j/k
I only paid $6 to see it cause I went to it during the daytime
Opal Isle
26-08-2004, 06:13
Well, I got in free...

but here it's $6 for University kids to see the evening shows but the matinee is $5.50
MKULTRA
26-08-2004, 06:16
Well, I got in free...

but here it's $6 for University kids to see the evening shows but the matinee is $5.50
the movie was good cause it made suicide look cool
Opal Isle
26-08-2004, 06:17
Yea, and I learned a lesson. If I get left behind, save the movie-goers' time and just commit suicide in the beginning because I'm going to die anyway.
MKULTRA
26-08-2004, 06:20
Yea, and I learned a lesson. If I get left behind, save the movie-goers' time and just commit suicide in the beginning because I'm going to die anyway.
or you can sing every song you ever liked in your entire life while sharks are ripping off all your limbs
*ps why didnt one of them dive down and look for the knife that guy dropped and slice all the sharks throats with it?
Opal Isle
26-08-2004, 06:23
Open Water is a good reason to never have a boring moment in your life. Even if you're just sleeping, you have to be doing something exciting and entertaining that will bring people into the theaters just in case someone decides to make a movie about you getting eaten by sharks. Then at least you'll know that if people get ripped off, it's not your fault.
Opal Isle
26-08-2004, 06:23
or you can sing every song you ever liked in your entire life while sharks are ripping off all your limbs
*ps why didnt one of them dive down and look for the knife that guy dropped and slice all the sharks throats with it?
Because that would've made for a good movie.
MKULTRA
26-08-2004, 06:25
Open Water is a good reason to never have a boring moment in your life. Even if you're just sleeping, you have to be doing something exciting and entertaining that will bring people into the theaters just in case someone decides to make a movie about you getting eaten by sharks. Then at least you'll know that if people get ripped off, it's not your fault.
its supposed to make u scared of diving
MKULTRA
26-08-2004, 06:26
Open Water is a good reason to never have a boring moment in your life. Even if you're just sleeping, you have to be doing something exciting and entertaining that will bring people into the theaters just in case someone decides to make a movie about you getting eaten by sharks. Then at least you'll know that if people get ripped off, it's not your fault.
P.S. that asshole who forgot his mask was the one who really killed them--the sharks just finished em off
Opal Isle
26-08-2004, 06:26
its supposed to make u scared of diving
The movie blows so bad it only makes me afraid of going in and watching just any movie. I have to be more responsible with my unlimited free movie priviledge...
Opal Isle
26-08-2004, 06:27
P.S. that asshole who forgot his mask was the one who really killed them--the sharks just finished em off
Yea. I liked how he was a shitty actor too...(just like everyone in that movie). You know, I wouldn't been surprised to see 2 robots and a man sitting down on the front right corner (MST3k).
Keruvalia
26-08-2004, 06:50
Yep ...

Pretty stinky piece of cinematic filth.

At least Kentis used real sharks, though ... not bad for a $120,000 budget.

Oh ... and the film is "loosely" based on a true story ...

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/08/0806_040806_openwater.html
Kramerske
26-08-2004, 07:07
Have you seen Manchurian Candidate? That didn't rely on stupid characters. How about Sphere? ...or The Day After Tomorrow?

...just to name a few...

The day after tomorrow was quite possibly the worst movie that I have ever seen. Ever. Not only was just about EVERY science fact 100% wrong, the characters were poorly acted and poorly developed. I did not feel the least bit sad for the death of any of them, the only guy I was sad for was the one who cut his own line. That movie reeked, and if this is worse, I would rather read the dictionary.
Keruvalia
26-08-2004, 07:17
I would rather read the dictionary.

Ooooh! You'll love the ending.
Luna Amore
26-08-2004, 07:25
5) They didn't start swimming at first because they were halfway between two boats and they weren't sure which was there boat. Wait a second. There were two boats in sight? I've never been in that situation before, but if I were stranded in the middle of the ocean, I think I'd head for one of the boats. Why would it matter if it was yours or not?
Keruvalia
26-08-2004, 07:34
Wait a second. There were two boats in sight? I've never been in that situation before, but if I were stranded in the middle of the ocean, I think I'd head for one of the boats. Why would it matter if it was yours or not?

I think I would have at least shouted something like, "Hey! Are you my boat?!"
The Sacred Toaster
26-08-2004, 08:02
It blows. That movie sucked so bad it's MST3k-able. In fact, I MST3ked it while I watched it.
You like MST3K too? It's impossible to explain it to people in England, I've tried and failed (had to use pictures). Also they never show it on Tv over here, even on sky and cable. Personnaly Pod People is my all time mst3k episode :)