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I know that this topic inspires fanbois world wide to argue mindlessly for hours. My take:

Consoles win. Why? Because they're cheaper, more mobile, and more stable. I can buy a new consol every 4-6 years, and yet the graphics improve from year 1 to year 6 on the same system. For a PC, I'd have to buy a rather expensive one to be able to play the good games, and then constantly update my PC for every new "blockbuster". Shelling out 300 dollars for a PS2 (when I bought it) beats paying thousands for a top-of-the-line computer any day. Also, for the "mobile" comment, I often take my PS2 around with me, hooking it up to different TV's in different locations. I couldn't do that unless I bought a laptop, and laptops have small screens and low memory. In addition, I'd rather play laying down on my bed in my room, or sitting in my living room in a lazyboy watching the huge flatscreen. Can't get that on a computer.

What are your thoughts?

Uh...
PC can't be beat for some genres, like FPS. If you don't like FPS then just stay away from PC.
Also, you can't get more mobile than a laptop.
Additionally, As gaming systems get more and more expensive, home built, top of the line computers, get cheaper and cheaper.

A tough one..I love my PC..

but...IF IHAD TO CHOOSE...

consoles..because of those reasons...and because XBOX rules!

A tough one..I love my PC..

but...IF IHAD TO CHOOSE...

consoles..because of those reasons...and because XBOX rules!

Bah...PS2 all the way...although lets not go there in this thread...

I pick the computer...mine!

Bah...PS2 all the way...although lets not go there in this thread...
hehe I knew SOMEONE...would say that I have nbo prob with PS2 and respect the system..I just like XBOX a little better...end of yopic runoff unless anyone feels otherwise..

Uh...
PC can't be beat for some genres, like FPS. If you don't like FPS then just stay away from PC.
Also, you can't get more mobile than a laptop.
Additionally, As gaming systems get more and more expensive, home built, top of the line computers, get cheaper and cheaper.
(You're very quotable)

To you I have one thing to say: METROID.

Everyone I've talked to likes XBox because of Halo. Halo is a PC genre, AND, it has been done.

Computers have doom 3, consoles will have it, but it wont look like it does on a nice computer system.

fact most graphics are much better on computer systems.

Also, if you know what your doing and build a good system, it can be EXTREMELY stable. And you definately dont always have to buy memory cards, which is annoying.
And keyboards rock with first person shooters, sumthing consoles dont really match

METROID.
...could easily be put on my computer.

Computers have doom 3, consoles will have it, but it wont look like it does on a nice computer system.

fact most graphics are much better on computer systems.

Also, if you know what your doing and build a good system, it can be EXTREMELY stable. And you definately dont always have to buy memory cards, which is annoying.
And keyboards rock with first person shooters, sumthing consoles dont really match
I would buy FPSs for PS2 if I knew I could get a keyboard and use that for the controls, but I don't think that works.

Everyone I've talked to likes XBox because of Halo. Halo is a PC genre, AND, it has been done.
lol so shott me... but I like XBOX co-op better.... BAH I'm sorry Im goin off topic again lol

Hmm, you like co-op? Try 16v16. Is that co-op enough for you. Tribes (the game that the Halo creates ripped off) could provide that about the time that PSX was just coming out.

naw, i disagree, i much prefer first person shooter games on the x-box instead of the Pc

Hmm, you like co-op? Try 16v16. Is that co-op enough for you. Tribes (the game that the Halo creates ripped off) could provide that about the time that PSX was just coming out.

naw...ummm I mean co-op like 2 players playing the campaign not pvp...
(and btw..not only tribes but they also ripped some stuff from half life but that doesnt make the game any wirse in my eyes)

Computers have doom 3, consoles will have it, but it wont look like it does on a nice computer system.

fact most graphics are much better on computer systems.

Also, if you know what your doing and build a good system, it can be EXTREMELY stable. And you definately dont always have to buy memory cards, which is annoying.
And keyboards rock with first person shooters, sumthing consoles dont really match

Graphics look better cause they're on smaller screens...and only on some people's computers. Consol's look the same from one TV to the next. Memory cards aren't annoying either...after what...6-7 years, I've gotten used to them.

Also, FPS's aren't really that good of games. If you play one or two you've played them all. If that's all the PC has, then that only reaffirms my choice of consols more.

...could easily be put on my computer.
I'm not talking about the old NES ROM, I'm talking about the (Gamecube?) Metroid, which was released as a first person shooter. Metroid...Fusion, I think?

I know that this topic inspires fanbois world wide to argue mindlessly for hours. My take:

Consoles win. Why? Because they're cheaper, more mobile, and more stable. I can buy a new consol every 4-6 years, and yet the graphics improve from year 1 to year 6 on the same system. For a PC, I'd have to buy a rather expensive one to be able to play the good games, and then constantly update my PC for every new "blockbuster". Shelling out 300 dollars for a PS2 (when I bought it) beats paying thousands for a top-of-the-line computer any day. Also, for the "mobile" comment, I often take my PS2 around with me, hooking it up to different TV's in different locations. I couldn't do that unless I bought a laptop, and laptops have small screens and low memory. In addition, I'd rather play laying down on my bed in my room, or sitting in my living room in a lazyboy watching the huge flatscreen. Can't get that on a computer.


What are your thoughts?


hahaha youre right...we ARE arguing lol

Graphics look better cause they're on smaller screens...and only on some people's computers. Consol's look the same from one TV to the next. Memory cards aren't annoying either...after what...6-7 years, I've gotten used to them.

Also, FPS's aren't really that good of games. If you play one or two you've played them all. If that's all the PC has, then that only reaffirms my choice of consols more.
Uh, no, graphics look better because it is a higher resolution, which you can't get on a TV unless it's a high-definition TV. I have a Radeon video card so I could hook my laptop up to an HDTV and it would look just as good, only much bigger. You can hook any console you want up to that same TV and my PC game will look better because my video card has adjustable resolutions (up to like 2500 or something) whereas consoles run at a standard resolution which is pretty low so that smaller TVs can run the games decently. And memory cards might not be annoying, but when you figure in all the money you pay for memory cards for your console games and add that to the price of the console, the price gap between PC and console is even smaller.

I'm not talking about the old NES ROM, I'm talking about the (Gamecube?) Metroid, which was released as a first person shooter. Metroid...Fusion, I think?
Hadn't heard of it...however, you can get pretty much anything you want. I've seen PSX and N64 roms...

Hadn't heard of it...however, you can get pretty much anything you want. I've seen PSX and N64 roms...

Bah...roms...I've seen roms for almost everything, and I have a ZSNES one...but finding games for them is such a frustraiting process anymore it's almost not worth it.

Hadn't heard of it...however, you can get pretty much anything you want. I've seen PSX and N64 roms...
...about 80% of which don't work because the N64 ROMs are instable (there's only one emulator ever written that would support more than 20 ROMs) and few places have working ISOs.

Gamecube & XBox have no emulators currently as far as I know.

Gamecube & XBox have no emulators currently as far as I know.
Not yet. Wait for XBox 2 and you'll start seeing XBox roms pop up. Roms got to stay one step behind the game so they don't get attention like p2p stuff did.

Graphics look better cause they're on smaller screens...and only on some people's computers. Consol's look the same from one TV to the next. Memory cards aren't annoying either...after what...6-7 years, I've gotten used to them.

Also, FPS's aren't really that good of games. If you play one or two you've played them all. If that's all the PC has, then that only reaffirms my choice of consols more.


Graphics look better because theri at 1600x1200 resolution, something you catn get on a tv, unless its HD. And even then the playstation graphics engine cant even go that high.

Also the fact that you get much better anti aliasing on a pc, and antisotropic filtering on a pc.


I could put doom 3 on low setting, and thatll be about how its gunna look on a console, but when i put it to ultra mega high ( which i cant even play yet! )
it will look so muhc better then any console game out there, its ludicrus, even if i lower the resolution down to 800x 600

Honestly though, graphics aren't a biggy to me. I like the playability and if I have to turn down my graphics settings to make the game run better, I will. You know, it sucks though that you can't adjust graphics settings a whole lot on consoles eh?

Honestly though, graphics aren't a biggy to me. I like the playability and if I have to turn down my graphics settings to make the game run better, I will. You know, it sucks though that you can't adjust graphics settings a whole lot on consoles eh?

Yeah i here that ,i would rather play the game alot, cuz after all your not staring at the graphics alot..
but imho good graphics is like a nice looking car. Sure you dont need it, but why not? it looks nice!

i just cant wait for nvidia to pump out their SLI technology so we can get 60-80FPS on doom3 at ultra high quality.

O yeah another reason why PC's rock, cuz theyll have half life 2 :D

naw...ummm I mean co-op like 2 players playing the campaign not pvp...
(and btw..not only tribes but they also ripped some stuff from half life but that doesnt make the game any wirse in my eyes)

Well, it had to be good stuff if it was worth ripping off, right?

Anyway, I'm a console fan, Gamecube/GBA at the moment, simply because it's much more intuitive. I'm not much into 3D shoot-em-ups beyond Metroid Prime, which I enjoy being able to play legally, as opposed to ROMs. But the feeling of moving around in a world is much better if you have an actual joypad in your hands, rather than tapping at keys and perching on a mouse. This is why I prefer Metroid Prime to games like Descent, even though Descent 2 had monster longevity and a better cloaking system. I generally use computers for puzzles and strategy games, things I'm not expected to react to second by second, like Civilisation, Alpha Centauri or this place, but not for anything that I just pick up to unwind.

I know that this topic inspires fanbois world wide to argue mindlessly for hours. My take:

Consoles win. Why? Because they're cheaper, more mobile, and more stable. I can buy a new consol every 4-6 years, and yet the graphics improve from year 1 to year 6 on the same system. For a PC, I'd have to buy a rather expensive one to be able to play the good games, and then constantly update my PC for every new "blockbuster". Shelling out 300 dollars for a PS2 (when I bought it) beats paying thousands for a top-of-the-line computer any day. Also, for the "mobile" comment, I often take my PS2 around with me, hooking it up to different TV's in different locations. I couldn't do that unless I bought a laptop, and laptops have small screens and low memory. In addition, I'd rather play laying down on my bed in my room, or sitting in my living room in a lazyboy watching the huge flatscreen. Can't get that on a computer.

What are your thoughts?

The Console has tried everything the PC has tried, and failed misreably. Look at Halo. Half Life owns it. Look at Zelda, Baldurs Gate owns it, Look at a MGS, Deus Ex owns it hands down.

The PC is at the forefront of technology. It always has, and it always will be. I own every console and have a good PC too. Yet Console Single player games are unbelievably bland - the AI is pathetic, the graphics are worse than the PC, there is never any storyline, the physics are appalling and the gameplay is pathetic.

Look at Half Life 2.....

Look at it and tell me a Console could achieve any kind of 'revolution' like that.

The Console has tried everything the PC has tried, and failed misreably. Look at Halo. Half Life owns it. Look at Zelda, Naldurs Gate owns it, Look at a MGS, Deus Ex owns it hands down.

The PC is at the forefront of technology. It always has, and it always will be. I own every console and have a good PC too. Yet Console Single player games are unbelievably bland - the AI is pathetic, the graphics are worse than the PC, there is never any storyline, the physics are appalling and the gameplay is pathetic.

Look at Half Life 2.....

Look at it and tell me a Console could achieve any kind of 'revolution' like that.

Legend of Zelda owns Naldur's Gate...by the way...

anyhow...

Final Fantasy Series

Resident Evil Series

Devil May Cry

Breath of Fire Series

Wild Arms Series

Metal Gear Solid (It's not even the same type of game as Deus Ex...and it still is better than it)

Gran Turismo Series

etc....

What does the PC have? Hordes of FPS...what do consoles have? Everything else. I look at Half Life 2 and see a game. I look at Final Fantasy XII, Gran Turismo 4, Devil May Cry 3, Metal Gear Solid: Snake Eater, and I see instant classics.

I can get all the good Zelda games in ROMs.

You left off Silent Hill (but not 2, because the sequel sucked).

Gran Turismo as well as a horde of other racing games are on PC.

Neverwinter Nights works out pretty good. The MMO aspect of PC is pretty much what allows it too dominate over console.

Legend of Zelda owns Naldur's Gate...by the way...

anyhow...

Final Fantasy Series

Resident Evil Series

Devil May Cry

Breath of Fire Series

Wild Arms Series

Metal Gear Solid (It's not even the same type of game as Deus Ex...and it still is better than it)

Gran Turismo Series

etc....

What does the PC have? Hordes of FPS...what do consoles have? Everything else. I look at Half Life 2 and see a game. I look at Final Fantasy XII, Gran Turismo 4, Devil May Cry 3, Metal Gear Solid: Snake Eater, and I see instant classics.

Half life 2 and doom 3 will never just be games.
Doom 3 took like 6 years of development.
that is one of the best games ever.

Hmm, I'm suprised no one has mentioned the fact that you can mod PC games, that's one of the things that I think makes them much better than consoles. Not to mention, I don't believe you can't play NS on a console. (Well, I suppose you could, but anyway...)

I prefer my XBOX all the way! It eliminates MOST of the cheaters on the computer games. All you need is a computer and a 13 year old with an inferiority complex to get your ass kicked. XBOX is much more fair. I love Rainbow Six 3, Rainbow Six 3:Black Arrow, Counter-Strike, and Midtown Madness 3.

As an aside, I can't wait for Half-Life 2 to come out for PC; and I'm ready...I THINK. DELL XPS with 3.4MHZ Pentium IV Processor, 2GB of Ram, (2) 120GB SATA Drives, ATI Radeon 256MB card, and a 20.5" Dell FPD.

Which just proves I'm not envious of other's computers....Instead I just think XBOX LIVE is fairer.

Hmm, Punkbuster does a pretty good job of getting rid of cheaters on a few of the games I'm playing right now... (Call of Duty and Joint Operations.)

As consoles get better and better, they will eventually morph into sub-par computers. Right now all they are good for are FPS and platformers. They are crap for anything else. RPGs are better on the computer; although I will admit that the Final Fantasy Series is one of the best, you can play these games on the computer and have a just as good, if not better, time. And most of the really next-gen stuff in FPS is being done for computer, which leave only platformers for consoles, a dying genre.

Plus, playing strategy games on console SUCKS! And those are my favorite games anyway. And nothing beats having a multi-purpose like a computer in which you can simultaneously download movies, play a game, look up tips and tricks, carry on a chat, and fine-tune a mod. I'd like to see a console that can do all THAT without becoming a computer.

Platformers aren't dying- they've been saying that since the mid 90s. Strategy games are better on computers, simply because of the interface. The thing about a console is, it's designed with this sole purpose in mind, and quite frankly, I don't want to be playing a game and be able to log on and get cheats for it immediately- I want to have that little barrier method to encourage me to think for myself. Can you really say you get the same feel with a keyboard and mouse as from a joypad with a rumble-pak?

Platformers aren't dying- they've been saying that since the mid 90s. Strategy games are better on computers, simply because of the interface. The thing about a console is, it's designed with this sole purpose in mind, and quite frankly, I don't want to be playing a game and be able to log on and get cheats for it immediately- I want to have that little barrier method to encourage me to think for myself. Can you really say you get the same feel with a keyboard and mouse as from a joypad with a rumble-pak?

When did I say anything about cheats? Say I'm playing a strategy game and I'm wondering about the stats of a specific unit as compared to the stats of another unit, why not go on the net and look it up? And say I'm trying to figure out why whenever I do X, Y happens?? Online and I understand. Or maybe I'm looking for the latest patch/add-on. I don't cheat in games anymore unless I'm bored and want to try something weird.

Rumble-pak? Why would I want my control pad to rumble? It doesn't add anything to the game (unless it is therapeutic and makes my hands feel better), and they have joypads for the computer too, so I'm not missing out on anything there.

i find console controls make my hands ache after a while, unlike a mouse/keyboard combination. Dunno why.

Rumble-pak? Why would I want my control pad to rumble? It doesn't add anything to the game (unless it is therapeutic and makes my hands feel better), and they have joypads for the computer too, so I'm not missing out on anything there.

Perhaps because when you get hit, it adds to the realism to feel something? As for joypads for PCs, there are many and various designs, none of which are specifically designed for the system, and may or may not work well with any given game, which is supposed to work primarily with keyboard and mouse anyway.

All right, it's not always cheats, but to some extent getting any detailed information spoils it somewhat if you haven't really earned it. Most strategy games have a info menu with stat powers anyway, or it's clearly displayed. Tapping in a web address semi-automatically defeats the object, and as for patchs and add-ons, I prefer it when a publisher is confident enough to stamp final on a piece and move on to something else.

Half life 2 and doom 3 will never just be games.
Doom 3 took like 6 years of development.
that is one of the best games ever.

Honestly, how is it different than other FPS? Granted it has good graphics...but still...looks aren't everything...

Half life 2 and doom 3 will never just be games.
Doom 3 took like 6 years of development.
that is one of the best games ever.

yeah and they are coming 2 xbox anyway