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What if you somehow travelled back in time to when Hitler was a little boy and came out of under his bed. You told him, "I come from the future, where it is ruled by political corruption and media power. You will participate in World War 1, start World War 2, indirectly cause the Cold War, and allow the United States to police the world. The ONLY way we can stop this is for you to be killed. But my hands are going to be too busy working this camcorder, so your going to have to shoot yourself." And then you hand him the gun.


Wait, only Hitler can reply to this poll. If your not Hitler, DON'T VOTE! If your not Hitler, we can see who you are.

If I was Hitler, I'd point the gun at Mr. Time traveller, and find out exactly wht went on in WW2. Then I'd make sure not to make the mistakes he did.

I've been called "Hitler of the Baptists" before by some lady because at the time I was Catholic (and that is the only reason she had for saying that, I didn't say anything about Baptists). And when I say lady, I mean like a 40 year old mom.

Damn, I vote in too many polls. I'm not Hitler, my bad. Sorry...

Wouldn't it be easier and less problematic to go back in time to a certain austrian art school, hold a gun to the headmaster's chin and say, "Adolf Hitler is going to be accepted to your school or I show you how to make blood murals on your ceiling."

:)

No it would just be easier if you just interrupted his parents while they were making him. No conception=no Hitler

Well... Hitler was not the cause of WWI, and Germans wanted revenge from the Treaty of Versailles, so I think WWII was rather inevitable. There were more than enough warmongers in Germany to stir national sentiment, and republics are not known exactly for being the most peaceful entities... Japan would have also come to blows with the Americans and British on its own terms anyway (joined the Axis since it needed partners, but the US and Japan had more than enough reasons to come to blows without considering Germany). Stalin's ideas of Soviet greatness could also stir the pot, he was known to be quite coperative with the Germans until Barbarrossa...

Maybe you could stop the jewish, gipsy, communist, and dissenter's genocide by killing Hitler, but I doubt you would stop WWII.

Even if you couldn't stop it (WW2) from happening, you could prevent it from becoming a total war, saving lives on both sides (and of course preventing the genocide altogether, which alone would make it worth it).

Even if you couldn't stop it (WW2) from happening, you could prevent it from becoming a total war, saving lives on both sides (and of course preventing the genocide altogether, which alone would make it worth it).

Imagine a guy 10 times more intelligent that Hitler comes to power since Herr "Fuhrer" is not around. This guy stirs national sentiments (that part to me is inevitable), kicks the French's butt and drives the Brits back to the isle. This part would have been developed using modern technology and weapons, which actually saved lives compared to the stupid carnages of WWI.

But since the "lebensraum" BS or "we hate the jewish communists" propaganda is not around to stirr a conflict, this guy forges a long-term alliance with the Soviet Union and splits Eastern Europe with Stalin (Germans keep Checoslovakia, Hungary, old Prussian territory in Poland; Soviets get part of Poland, and split Balkans with Italians). He concentrates all his resources on a long-term attrition war with the British, and using Soviet lines of communication supports the Japanese war effort.

Maybe you stop the carnage of the Eastern Front, but the war would have dragged on and on and maybe more people get killed, especially since atomic weapons would be developed before the end of the war...

If I was Hitler, I'd point the gun at Mr. Time traveller, and find out exactly wht went on in WW2. Then I'd make sure not to make the mistakes he did.
Damn...beat me to the punchline!

Well... Hitler was not the cause of WWI, and Germans wanted revenge from the Treaty of Versailles, so I think WWII was rather inevitable.
I only said that he participated in WW1, which he did.

Imagine a guy 10 times more intelligent that Hitler comes to power since Herr "Fuhrer" is not around. This guy stirs national sentiments (that part to me is inevitable), kicks the French's butt and drives the Brits back to the isle. This part would have been developed using modern technology and weapons, which actually saved lives compared to the stupid carnages of WWI.

But since the "lebensraum" BS or "we hate the jewish communists" propaganda is not around to stirr a conflict, this guy forges a long-term alliance with the Soviet Union and splits Eastern Europe with Stalin (Germans keep Checoslovakia, Hungary, old Prussian territory in Poland; Soviets get part of Poland, and split Balkans with Italians). He concentrates all his resources on a long-term attrition war with the British, and using Soviet lines of communication supports the Japanese war effort.

Maybe you stop the carnage of the Eastern Front, but the war would have dragged on and on and maybe more people get killed, especially since atomic weapons would be developed before the end of the war...
and the Russians wouldn't break the cease-fire for what reason? Stalin wanted to invade Germany while the non-aggression pact was still valid, and Hitler beat him to the punch. No way Stalin keeps that alliance without a massive pay-off (i.e. control of the Straits, take-over of most of the Middle East, control of the Baltic, etc). Actually, that would probably just make him want more.

"better the devil you know"

If I were Hitler as a young lad, and some random guy popped from under my bed and said weird things in English, which I couldn't understand, and gave me a gun.. I'd be more in a "WTF!?" state.. eventually running out of the room in a frightened, hurried manner only to be told that I must have been having a horrible, horrible nightmare.

I wouldn't do it.

You can't mess with the past. History has turned out a certain way and by mucking it up, who knows what will happen? The world may be better. It may be worse.

I wouldnt touch that sure hitler did horrible things and to many people died becuase of it but if it never happened so much stuff we have now wouldnt be, like computers, jets, space shuttles etc.

I'd say "Not now, Time Traveler. I'm looking at this website I just found called Stormfront."

Well... Hitler was not the cause of WWI, and Germans wanted revenge from the Treaty of Versailles, so I think WWII was rather inevitable. There were more than enough warmongers in Germany to stir national sentiment, and republics are not known exactly for being the most peaceful entities... Japan would have also come to blows with the Americans and British on its own terms anyway (joined the Axis since it needed partners, but the US and Japan had more than enough reasons to come to blows without considering Germany). Stalin's ideas of Soviet greatness could also stir the pot, he was known to be quite coperative with the Germans until Barbarrossa...

Maybe you could stop the jewish, gipsy, communist, and dissenter's genocide by killing Hitler, but I doubt you would stop WWII.

Who knows where it could have gone though?
Germany could have been the better option afterwards.
Weimar Republic vs Imperialist Powers sort of presentation.

I only said that he participated in WW1, which he did.

I know, I just wanted to point out that since killing him would not stop WWI, the fatal consequenses of how that conflict ended would still cause WWII.

Hitler volunteered for WWI and ended up as a corporal with an Iron Cross.

and the Russians wouldn't break the cease-fire for what reason? Stalin wanted to invade Germany while the non-aggression pact was still valid, and Hitler beat him to the punch. No way Stalin keeps that alliance without a massive pay-off (i.e. control of the Straits, take-over of most of the Middle East, control of the Baltic, etc). Actually, that would probably just make him want more.

Good question. However, as things were in 1939, Stalin with a purged army would not dare to attack Germany until 1943 or 1944, at least. He had to recall "traitors" from Siberia and the Gulag after Hitler invaded since he needed them, but the army as he wanted it would take 4-5 years to rebuild. That is the primary reason.

BTW, I'm not arguing that Germany would win (unless by a miracle they were able to invade Britain), but that the war would have dragged on and on, causing more blodshed. If Stalin broke the alliance by 1944, you already have 5 years of war, and now add the several million dead in the Eastern Front, AND the soon coming atomic bombs.

Overall, I don't see the benefit in Hitler's death unless you argue that the ethnic genocides done by the Third Reich would not happen. That is the only thing I see that could have been stoped.

Who knows where it could have gone though?
Germany could have been the better option afterwards.
Weimar Republic vs Imperialist Powers sort of presentation.

Well... the Weimar was already rearming itself using Russia as a secret point of production, so it's not like Hitler drove the rearmament of the Germans.

Quite frankly, i wouldn't change one thing. Yes, the genocides and atom bombs were terrible, but chances are that the world we live in now would not be. Make 'chances' 'definetaly' in fact.

And on the sensible side, if someone went back and changed the way history went, there wouldn't be a reason to go back in the first place, so the whole 'go back in time and change history' idea is complete bogus.

I wouldnt make any attempt to change anything.

I'd shoot the time traveler. I think the world was better off with WWII than it would be without it.

#2. I'm no fan of Hitler, but he was not quite the central axis of evil history makes him out to be. He was a political figure, a tool. Now, if we were discussing Mr. Heinrich...

A lot of rubish.


Best thing that was available to stop the 3th Reich in 1939, and that was millitary possible for France&GB, was to cross the German border after the occupation of the Rheinland or to do it while Germany fought "Polska" , the Western frontier was at is weakest then and Hitler feared that action. WWII would perhaps have taken place but first on German soil and the French, of course with help from a BEF. would have won against the then still not German Army of 1940/41, the Ruhr was in the reach then for the French (1938) and with the Brits in late 1939/early 1940.

ooh, technically, i couldn't.. because one of my relatives came to america to escape nazi germany, and like, i wouldn't exist if hitler hadn't been all.. evil & stuff.. so if i went back in time and made hitler kill himself, i would never be born in the future to go back and make him shoot himself.. or something to that effect.. :p
(plus, if it wasn't for hitler, russian commies would've taken over.. they would've been seriously powerful) :mp5:

Think of all the inventions that came out of WW2. Jet engines would be later in the century same with syinthetic rubber and Microwaves.

Has anyone played Red Alert? The problem is that if you eliminate Hitler, the communists would have taken over Europe instead of Germany. If you eliminated both Hitler and Stalin, that might have prevented the atrocities of WWII, but it probably still would have happened.

Why not go the other way and bring modern technology to Britain, France and the US during the early 30's? That way Germany could be stopped before they stepped over the border of Poland in 1939.