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What a head-scratching contradiction: hate-filled, genocidal Nazis and violent White Power militia-types claiming to be Christian.

I'm no religious expert, but wasn't Christ's central message one of universal love, charity and forgiveness for all regardless of race or creed? The fact that Jesus was born Jewish and probably wasn't white make the modern Nazi connection appear weirder yet.

What would Christ say about modern white power/Nazi writings and actions? They seem to be exactly the opposite of everything Christ spoke in favour of.

To me, Nazi/white power groups seem to be more allied with the ancient personna of Satan than anything else in the modern world does.

I agree 100%.

They can call themselves neon-green emus for all I care. They're like a little kid who wants something he can't have; if you ignore them long enough, they'll stop complaining and be quiet.

To me, Nazi/white power groups seem to be more allied with the ancient personna of Satan than anything else in the modern world does.

Agreed. They're a bunch of sick, degenerate, morally bankrupt, perverse bastards. :mad:

I don't know what world you live in, but as a fascist the vast majority of other fascists I know despise Christianity as a slave religion. Try going to Stormfront some time and see what they think of Christians there. Most fascists in the US have no religion or look to the paganistic German past for inspiration, just as the SS did.

What about your pal Communist Mississippi? He's always calling himself a Christian.

But are there also Black Power Nazis, Yellow Power Nazis, Brown Power Nazis?

Rubberduck, hard-core Social-Democrat :)

Do these hate-filled, genocidal Nazis & violent White Power militia-types know that Christ wasn’t white?

And we wait for Tenes Traditiones to spew his mouthbreathing idiotic filth

That's a fantasy that exists in the minds of
mindless bourgeois liberals who want to have someone to hate.

Hmmm.... I'd say a fascist is hardly in a position to criticize in that respect....

Hmmm.... I'd say a fascist is hardly in a position to criticize in that respect....

ooo, burn. :D good one.

What a head-scratching contradiction: hate-filled, genocidal Nazis and violent White Power militia-types claiming to be Christian.

I'm no religious expert, but wasn't Christ's central message one of universal love, charity and forgiveness for all regardless of race or creed? The fact that Jesus was born Jewish and probably wasn't white make the modern Nazi connection appear weirder yet.

What would Christ say about modern white power/Nazi writings and actions? They seem to be exactly the opposite of everything Christ spoke in favour of.

To me, Nazi/white power groups seem to be more allied with the ancient personna of Satan than anything else in the modern world does.


Fascist Ideals is right here, modern fascists are not the old type of KKKers who quoted the Bible. Fascists now take Nietzsche at his word, God is dead. And the Klan is about as popular as the American Communist party although if the klan stages one small demonstration in Idaho the national media turns out to witness it.
I think the person who started this thread probably did it to vilify Christianity by association, not to condemn fascism. This person is clearly anti-Christian from his previous threads.

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Hatred is a good and necessary part of being human. It's natural. Liberals need someone to hate, Christian Conservatives do, even moderates do. Of course, we fascists do hate more than most. I love hatred myself. I try to encourage it through rational argumentation as much as I can. Nothing better than hatred for a good cause, i.e. racism and fascism in general. The more people who hate, the better the world is.
hate is a powerful motivater if used morally

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Hatred is a good and necessary part of being human. It's natural. Liberals need someone to hate, Christian Conservatives do, even moderates do. Of course, we fascists do hate more than most. I love hatred myself. I try to encourage it through rational argumentation as much as I can. Nothing better than hatred for a good cause, i.e. racism and fascism in general. The more people who hate, the better the world is.


I don't mean to be insulting, really I don't, but the way you say it, it sounds almost like... sarcasm. That's not a good thing if you're serious. I reserve my hatred only for very select people, most of them national leaders. I find hatred of regular everyday sort of people to be a bit of a waste.

I can honestly say though, that I disagree with your argument so much that it doesn't even offend me, because it's simply too ridiculous.

Well in answer to the original post, of course Christ wouldnt advocate thoughts or groups that weren't solely about Christian love and ideals.

But then, I don't think many Nazis care about that one way or another. At least, not the ones who claim to be educated about what they believe in.

the whole nazi-christian thing is illogical as the nazi were against religon just idealism.nazism is about tthe greater germania,Empire stuff,state controlled everything

That's because you don't understand human psychology very well, or political realities, and I wasn't intending to offend you anyway.

Look at it this way: Communists need to inspire hatred of the class enemy. Fascists need to inspire hatred of the untermensche. Both use a mixture of truth and less-than-the-truth for their purposes. Democratic political parties do exactly the same thing - they inspire hatred for their own purposes. The Democrats have created a hate figure out of Bush just as the Republicans did out of Clinton. Hyperbole, disinformation, and propaganda create the desired effect. We all have hate figures. There are some people here who are highly skilled in creating hatred, or encouraging hatred, MKULTRA is one I admire tremendously because he is the best propagandist around although many wouldn't agree.
Hate is a fact of human life. A good one too. Get used to it.

I quote from the movie Men In Black seems a bit appropriate here...

"A person is smart; people are dumb panicky dangerous animals".

Get any group of people together, be they Nazi's, Islamic Fundamentalists, Republicans, or your local rotary club, and boom... there goes the collective IQ down the drain.

Who isTenes Traditiones?
Some other anti semetic shitbrick

In my opnion they can themselves whatever they want and support whatever religious organisations they want. It's illogical, but i don't have problem with it. It won't change the fact that their ideologies stinks.

Do these hate-filled, genocidal Nazis & violent White Power militia-types know that Christ wasn’t white?

no they don't

they live in a state of delusion where history is re-written and jesus was white. they dont even acknowlege that jesus was a jew.

as to the topic.... all one has to do to be a christian is to accept jesus christ as his personal lord and savior. if they do that, they are christians. that doesn't make them GOOD christians. but then christianity is not a religion of perfect people, its a religion of sinners.

But very few nazis are christians, they're mainly atheists and "pagans". However, they still like using the celtic cross and swastika, both of which are christian symbols. Bastards

I think the person who started this thread probably did it to vilify Christianity by association, not to condemn fascism. This person is clearly anti-Christian from his previous threads.

You couldn't be more wrong. I love my Christian parents and friends.

I'm not "anti-Christian" at all. But I'm strongly against the kind of Conservative Christianity that too easily finds itself in agreement with racist/homophobe/misogynist hate groups.

I might not be a Christian, but I do admire the kind of Liberal Christian philosophy practiced by Quakers, Episcopalians, Liberation Catholics etc. This is the truest kind of Christianity IMO because it empasizes love of humanity rather than the selfish end goal of "gettin' Saved" and judging others who aren't like you.

I would never encourage Christians to give up their faith. But I do encourage them to ask themselves what kind of Christianity they follow, and switch churches if they find a moral dissonance in their present one.

There's a right kind and a wrong kind of Christian thought/practice, clearly. I think that the intolerant & hateful rightwing kind of Christianity is not only immoral, it completely contradicts what Christ taught.

But very few nazis are christians, they're mainly atheists and "pagans". However, they still like using the celtic cross and swastika, both of which are christian symbols. Bastards

The swastika is alot older than Christianity itself- it's a symbol that was universally used by tons of different religions.. including the Pagans.

They can call themselves neon-green emus for all I care. They're like a little kid who wants something he can't have; if you ignore them long enough, they'll stop complaining and be quiet.

I just had a brilliant idea for an anime series.
:D

What does your political ideals have to do with your religious beliefs? Not much.

What does your political ideals have to do with your religious beliefs? Not much.
Politics and religion are both realms in which people express their moral aspirations for themselves and the world. I'd say the two have everything to do with each other.

White Power Nazi 'Christian' beliefs are irrational.

1) Jesus was a semite, his skin is therefore brownish and and his hair is black therefore detracting from any 'Aryan' appearance. Furthermore he is a Jew which is a possible high pinnacle of White Supremacist hate.

2) Jesus' beliefs involved unity between all and universal compassion and goodness. His beliefs smacked of cosmopolitanism which is contradictory to the separatist attitudes of White Supremacists. Jesus most certainly did not believe in any concept of Ubermensch and Untermensch.

3) White Supremacists, more often than not resort to violence. This is contradictory to Jesus who never commited violence on another.

White Power Nazi 'Christian' beliefs are irrational.

1) Jesus was a semite, his skin is therefore brownish and and his hair is black therefore detracting from any 'Aryan' appearance. Furthermore he is a Jew which is a possible high pinnacle of White Supremacist hate.

2) Jesus' beliefs involved unity between all and universal compassion and goodness. His beliefs smacked of cosmopolitanism which is contradictory to the separatist attitudes of White Supremacists. Jesus most certainly did not believe in any concept of Ubermensch and Untermensch.

3) White Supremacists, more often than not resort to violence. This is contradictory to Jesus who never commited violence on another.

They picked up on a quote of his when trouble loomed that his followers should 'sell your cloaks and buy a sword'.
However, he was ever the pragmatist (the only reason he didn't have female desciples was becuase that would put them in danger) and as such was most likely aware that simply carrying a sword will often stop people from attacking you (note he never told anyone to actually learn to use it or indeed to use it).

White Power Nazi 'Christian' beliefs are irrational.

1) Jesus was a semite, his skin is therefore brownish and and his hair is black therefore detracting from any 'Aryan' appearance. Furthermore he is a Jew which is a possible high pinnacle of White Supremacist hate.

2) Jesus' beliefs involved unity between all and universal compassion and goodness. His beliefs smacked of cosmopolitanism which is contradictory to the separatist attitudes of White Supremacists. Jesus most certainly did not believe in any concept of Ubermensch and Untermensch.

3) White Supremacists, more often than not resort to violence. This is contradictory to Jesus who never commited violence on another.

You sure do live up to your name! Please come around more often.

If White-Power Nazis are Christian, they should be able to call themselves Christian.

But all in all it is very similar to Christian organisations: stupid, racist, violent (see Inquisition, Crusades etc.) and intolerant.

1) Jesus was a semite, his skin is therefore brownish and and his hair is black therefore detracting from any 'Aryan' appearance. Furthermore he is a Jew which is a possible high pinnacle of White Supremacist hate.

2) Jesus' beliefs involved unity between all and universal compassion and goodness. His beliefs smacked of cosmopolitanism which is contradictory to the separatist attitudes of White Supremacists. Jesus most certainly did not believe in any concept of Ubermensch and Untermensch.

3) White Supremacists, more often than not resort to violence. This is contradictory to Jesus who never commited violence on another.
1 is true, but just because their saviour isn't Aryan doesn't mean Christianity can't be shunned from an Aryan supremist's life.

2, Jesus wanted peace and unity under one religion, Christianity. This could be taken as everyone being homogenous, like White Supremists want. Their views on how and who differ, but it remains that both want humanity united under one specific common trait.

3, Mark 3: 5
5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, "Stretch forth thine hand." even Jesus took part in violence. The Christians also often turn to violence, like in the Inquisition and Crusades.

Yes, he would support the nazi facist christians because as we all know god smited people.

I don't know what world you live in, but as a fascist the vast majority of other fascists I know despise Christianity as a slave religion. Try going to Stormfront some time and see what they think of Christians there. Most fascists in the US have no religion or look to the paganistic German past for inspiration, just as the SS did.
Well at least you're truthful about it. The fascist states of Italy and, to a lesser extent, Germany, hid behind a banner of Christianity. I saw this one taped speach of Hitler, who was using Christ's teachings as a justification for his policies. Of course, Hitler wasn't a Christian, even though he made himself to be one out in public.

Yes, he would support the nazi facist christians because as we all know god smited people.
jesus didnt smite anyone
the worst he did was toss some tables around at a temple and then give them a piece of his mind

jesus didnt smite anyone
the worst he did was toss some tables around at a temple and then give them a piece of his mind

But god smited people. Floods and things.

jesus didnt smite anyone
the worst he did was toss some tables around at a temple and then give them a piece of his mind
He smote a fig tree because he was hungry and the fig tree didn't have fruit.

as to the topic.... all one has to do to be a christian is to accept jesus christ as his personal lord and savior. if they do that, they are christians. that doesn't make them GOOD christians. but then christianity is not a religion of perfect people, its a religion of sinners.

Well, on the face of it that's correct, but...

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Faith in Christ should mean you follow his teachings. If you say 'Woo, I love Jesus!' and then completely ignore everything that he taught, then you obviously don't really sincerely recognise him as the Son of God.

And by the way, why does God's smiting of people have any relation to how we behave? God has the right to mete out justice because he knows everything.

It is kind of funny how they are christians and white supremacists. Especially when Christ wasn't white

Jesus wanted peace and unity under one religion, Christianity.
I dunno, would it even be accurate to say "Christianity" yet existed when Christ still walked the earth? It seems to me that "Christianity" is something that was cooked up by Christ's followers in the centuries after his time here.

I think so long as one followed certain core moral codes and lived a compassionate life, Christ wouldn't have cared what you called yourself. Bet he would've gotten along with Buddhists just fine.Too bad so many of his followers aren't nearly so wisely open-minded.

The Christians also often turn to violence, like in the Inquisition and Crusades.

Proper Christians don't. I feel quite certain that Christ would have greatly despaired at these evils being carried out in his name.

I dunno, would it even be accurate to say "Christianity" yet existed when Christ still walked the earth? It seems to me that "Christianity" is something that was cooked up by Christ's followers in the centuries after his time here.
I think so long as one followed certain core moral codes and lived a compassionate life, Christ wouldn't have cared what you called yourself. Bet he would've gotten along with Buddhists just fine.Too bad so many of his followers aren't nearly so wisely open-minded.
Proper Christians don't. I feel quite certain that Christ would have greatly despaired at these evils being carried out in his name.
I am pretty sure it did. Perhaps in a different form or name, but it would stand to reason it was whatever religion he followed at the time that he wanted everyone to be united under.
Perhaps, he still would have called them heretics. He very much disliked heretics, for example when he went into the temple and trashed stuff, they were being heretics by making money from worship. Buddhists also have idols. The same could be said for any of the other peaceful religions of the world other than his own.
An angel destroyed an entire city, Moses wrought plague upon Egypt, the Great Flood, the banishment from Eden and countless other acts of violence. Violent acts have been committed by many of the great figures of Christianity including Jehova himself. Perhaps a true and proper Christian would deplore these kind of acts, but their great figures obviously don't.

What about your pal Communist Mississippi? He's always calling himself a Christian.

My opinion of Communist Mississippi:

He is a white southern male who is vulnerable to the rhetoric of the nazi racist unclefuckers who post here. It may be that his father or himself, or both &/or others, lost a job or jobs to somebody of another race, or maybe his girlfriend left him for a black guy, or he lost a scholarship to a hispanic kid who he did not believe deserved it. If he grew up in Mississippi he was probably exposed to a lot of talk about how the federal government has fucked up the natural order. I think he believes that american society is stacked against the white man and that either it never was stacked against the non-white man or else if it was then that has been rectified long ago.

Other than that he seems to be intelligent and witty and a valuable member of our community. What we are watching is the seduction of one of our most vulnerable citizens by the White Shame Party.

What does your political ideals have to do with your religious beliefs? Not much.

Politics and religion are both realms in which people express their moral aspirations for themselves and the world. I'd say the two have everything to do with each other.

Just to add to that. It isn't just 'moral aspirations'. Politics and religion both contain universal world views. I.e. they contain ideas, concepts, and principles which claim to be applicable world-wide. Christians claim that God is both three and one at the same time, but you'll have a hard time if you say that to a Muslim or a Jew.
This is different to 'moral aspirations' because (e.g.) Islam, Judaism, and Christianity (and other religions which aren't monotheist, for that matter) do have a lot in common when it comes to inherent moral values.

Political ideals, such as marxism, also have universal world views. E.g. That capitalism in all its forms is exploitation for a capitalist has to pay a worker less in value than what he makes in order to turn a profit, that machines are nothing more than 'stored labour', that the only by rising up against those who control capital will the masses be freed from capitalists. These are communist universalisms. No one believes in them any more, but they used to have a following.

White-supremacism has one big universal claim as far as I know. It is that the white race is superior to all others. It may not fit with a lot of Christian values, but I've heard some people convince themselves that it does.

In response to Janathoras' questioning of the relation between religion and politics....
How can you question the link when the U.S president HAS to refer to God when he addresses the nation?
How can you question the link between religion and politics when Iranian politics is dominated by Shia Muslim Clerics who veto any proposal that conflicts with their version of Islam?
When Osama Bin Laden calls for a policy of Holy War (regardless of the target)?
When the Protestant part of Northern Ireland that wants to remain part of Britain, and the Catholic part doesn't?
When the Communist party of China has outlawed all religion apart from their chosen view-point? (Atheism)
When nations are settled because of a precedent based in holy scripture?
When the Catholic Church rails against John Kerry for supporting abortion?
When Turkey may be prevented from entering the European Union because it is a Muslim country and thus accused of being 'un-european'?
When the U.S. has in its constitution that politics and religion should be kept seperate, to prevent one impacting upon the other...

If you don't consider yourself biased or ill informed....
ARE YOU STUPID?