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Elderly Black Voters in Florida Questioned by Armed Troopers
Bob Herbert of the New York Times is reporting that the Florida Department of Law Enforcement recently sent armed state troopers into the home of dozens of elderly African-American voters to question them about an investigation into election fraud. The Florida Voters League reported the investigation has sent chilling messages to African-American voters to stay away from the polls in November
www.democracynow.org

Oh, Sweet Jesus on the Cross, they were state troopers. They have guns. They were not Nazi death squads.

This one's stupid even by Democracy Now's standards.

This one's stupid even by Democracy Now's standards.

Now that IS a big statement! :p

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Jeb Bush intimidates elderly black voters with armed storm troopers
More proof that Bush is really Darth Vader in disguise and Cheney is Palpatine.

If your elderly grandma were being intimidated for trying to vote, you woudn't be nearly so flippant about it. Besides, you know full well if Kerry did this to conservatives, you'd be up in arms about it.

Pongoar: What disguise??? *L*

If your elderly grandma were being intimidated for trying to vote, you woudn't be nearly so flippant about it. Besides, you know full well if Kerry did this to conservatives, you'd be up in arms about it.

State troopers investigating election fraud. If they were white people being investigated would you make an issue of it?

Oh, Sweet Jesus on the Cross, they were state troopers. They have guns. They were not Nazi death squads.

police 'investigations' and 'questioning' are pretty intimidating under any circumstances. in any sort of a political context they are pretty much exclusively used for intimidation purposes.

If your elderly grandma were being intimidated for trying to vote, you woudn't be nearly so flippant about it. Besides, you know full well if Kerry did this to conservatives, you'd be up in arms about it.

Yeah, if it actually happened. So far, all we've got is one op-ed piece by a radical left-wing commentator in the Times that deliberatly mischaracterizes state troopers performing an investigative function. This is not intimidation but misrepresentation, pure and simple.

Ooh and I bet he beat them with their canes and then feasted on their decaying flesh. He's just PURE EVIL!!!!

police 'investigations' and 'questioning' are pretty intimidating under any circumstances. in any sort of a political context they are pretty much exclusively used for intimidation purposes.

Well, now, that's a nice double bind. If he doesn't investigate, then he's covering something up. If he does investigate, using the proper people for the job, then he's intimidating them.

what? did someone say overreaction? whoa...

and people say cnn is biased..

I'd honestly make an issue out of it whoever it was...even if it had been liberal Presidents trying to keep the conservative white ladies down. I just think that intimidation for the sake of politics is unconscionable.....it's a fair question but I can safely say that yes I would. :)

Yeah, if it actually happened. So far, all we've got is one op-ed piece by a radical left-wing commentator in the Times that deliberatly mischaracterizes state troopers performing an investigative function. This is not intimidation but misrepresentation, pure and simple.
I have to say it is true … they are the tools of the state doing their duty.

They are the basic investigative force for the US. That was their job, and they did it.

Who do you all think they would send to investigate voting fraud?

I read an article on this somewhere that was insightful, I wish I could find it now.

I just find it absurd that Jeb Bush is relying completely in technology that has already failed; I think if the election is close, and it comes down to Florida again, there's going to be many lawsuits against him, the state of Florida, and quite possibly the federal government if they do not intervene and demand intervention to get to the bottom, no matter who wins the Presidency.

I'd honestly make an issue out of it whoever it was...even if it had been liberal Presidents trying to keep the conservative white ladies down. I just think that intimidation for the sake of politics is unconscionable.....it's a fair question but I can safely say that yes I would. :)

When is sending in the appropriate authorities to investigate a possible crime intimidation?

That's an interesting article. Thanks for such great links MKULTRA. Where would we be without your radicalism. You're the Michael Moore of NS.
thanks Fascist--I like your values too.

Honestly, I'd just send someone less intimidating to an elderly person then a bunch of men with guns.....though I know what a HUGE threat that would be to National Security. Honestly, I just hope that everyone who wishes to feels that they can vote this year...it's one of our most precious Constitutional rights, and I just hate to see anyone loose the opportunity to represent him or herself if they choose. As to the voting technology, it's probably far more detrimental to voting rights than these investigations. I wonder what century JEB is actually living in??

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More proof that Bush is really Darth Vader in disguise and Cheney is Palpatine.
your very perceptive

Yeah, if it actually happened. So far, all we've got is one op-ed piece by a radical left-wing commentator in the Times that deliberatly mischaracterizes state troopers performing an investigative function. This is not intimidation but misrepresentation, pure and simple.
its not a legitamate investigation and its only targetted to black voters for intimidational purposes

Well, now, that's a nice double bind. If he doesn't investigate, then he's covering something up. If he does investigate, using the proper people for the job, then he's intimidating them.
why just black voters who vote democrat? why not cuban republican voters where there is more odds of fraud?

its not a legitamate investigation and its only targetted to black voters for intimidational purposes

So you have inside knowledge on the planning of the investigation?

I'd honestly make an issue out of it whoever it was...even if it had been liberal Presidents trying to keep the conservative white ladies down. I just think that intimidation for the sake of politics is unconscionable.....it's a fair question but I can safely say that yes I would. :)

How is investigating voter fraud "intimidation" again?

And please, old people are easily scared by anything. Even if the State Trooper had shown up with nothing but his hat and flashlight they'd be scared. You'd have to send a little kid before they felt comfortable, and then people would be in an uproar when they heard that the kid accepted hard candy from Granny. Corruption indeed....

:D

I have to say it is true … they are the tools of the state doing their duty.

They are the basic investigative force for the US. That was their job, and they did it.

Who do you all think they would send to investigate voting fraud?
theres no evidence of fraud theyre just tryin to suppress the black vote ONCE AGAIN--are you people really this naieve?If there was any fraud at all it was when 94,000 black voters were purged from the rolls illegally-why dont they investigate if all those 94,000 were re-admitted back onto the rolls insted?

When is sending in the appropriate authorities to investigate a possible crime intimidation?
when its geared towards only one group of people

I still think that elderly Americans should be entitled to respect and couresy even if we CAN'T give them decent prescription drug coverage. I don't know if the polling was targeted or not, but if it was, I think we should send our beloved Pres to a white collar resort when he exits the White House. If they HAD shown up without guns in just hats and the elderly had still been intimidated, at least I'dve given the interviewers props for TRYING not to be intimidating BTW. All we are teaching older people to do through displays like this is not to complain, and that isn't what I, for one, want. Our first Ammendment gives us all the right to whine, especially if our OTHER rights are trampled on, and I think that's just topsies. Also, why is this just being investigated NOW right before the election?? Why didn't Bush give it the attention it deserved if he's really so concerned with fairness?

theres no evidence of fraud theyre just tryin to suppress the black vote ONCE AGAIN--are you people really this naieve?If there was any fraud at all it was when 94,000 black voters were purged from the rolls illegally-why dont they investigate if all those 94,000 were re-admitted back onto the rolls insted?

How do you know there was no evidence of fraud?

So you have inside knowledge on the planning of the investigation?
people still remeber Jebs slezy conduct during election 2000

Maybe they should

BUT it will still probably be with “armed troupers” THAT is where I have the trouble with the story!
Got to love them adding the “armed” in there just to elicit feelings of some Elian Gonzales mental pictures BAH no of course they couldn’t say “police” or “state troupers” or “investigators” got to though that “armed” before every time they say it lol

theres no evidence of fraud theyre just tryin to suppress the black vote ONCE AGAIN--are you people really this naieve?If there was any fraud at all it was when 94,000 black voters were purged from the rolls illegally-why dont they investigate if all those 94,000 were re-admitted back onto the rolls insted?

Wow Mkultra, you obviously know everything there is to know. Poor ignorant us, here we are thinking that state troopers were there to uphold and protect the law, when in reality they're all just Waffen SS men who like to kick puppies and push the elderly down stairs, following the orders of His Imperial Majesty George W. Bush to insure his oppressive regime another four years. :rolleyes:

theres no evidence of fraud theyre just tryin to suppress the black vote ONCE AGAIN--are you people really this naieve?If there was any fraud at all it was when 94,000 black voters were purged from the rolls illegally-why dont they investigate if all those 94,000 were re-admitted back onto the rolls insted?
Well it appears they are investigating that's your whole point.

Dun, dun, dun, dun, dududuhn!!
Dun, dun, dun, dun, dududuhn!!
Duhn, duhn, duhn duhn*

(*Darth Vader theme)

"You are a part of Democracynow.com and a traitor! Take her away!"
"I find your lack of conservatism . . . disturbing."
"I have your vote now!"
"Your ballots are weak, old man!"
"Don't be to proud of this website you have constructed. The ability to destroy a reputation is insignifigant next to the power of the Butterfly Ballot."
"Don't underestimate the Bushes!"

BTW, I don't blame the State Troopers at all for doing their job...I blame the goons that put them up to it. That would be like blaming the men and women in the military for the war in Iraq. I just wanted to clarify. :)

BTW, I don't blame the State Troopers at all for doing their job...I blame the goons that put them up to it. That would be like blaming the men and women in the military for the war in Iraq. I just wanted to clarify. :)
The President is in the military Comander and Chief and all. Funny how you don't know that. He's kind of at the top. You might want to think once in a while.

Dun, dun, dun, dun, dududuhn!!
Dun, dun, dun, dun, dududuhn!!
Duhn, duhn, duhn duhn*

(*Darth Vader theme)

"You are a part of Democracynow.com and a traitor! Take her away!"
"I find your lack of conservatism . . . disturbing."
"I have your vote now!"
"Your ballots are weak, old man!"
"Don't be to proud of this website you have constructed. The ability to destroy a reputation is insignifigant next to the power of the Butterfly Ballot."
"Don't underestimate the Bushes!"its good to see some people are capable of deep insights on NS

when its geared towards only one group of people
Yes they gear toward victims. Which in this case may have been black.

Dun, dun, dun, dun, dududuhn!!
Dun, dun, dun, dun, dududuhn!!
Duhn, duhn, duhn duhn*

(*Darth Vader theme)

"You are a part of Democracynow.com and a traitor! Take her away!"
"I find your lack of conservatism . . . disturbing."
"I have your vote now!"
"Your ballots are weak, old man!"
"Don't be to proud of this website you have constructed. The ability to destroy a reputation is insignifigant next to the power of the Butterfly Ballot."
"Don't underestimate the Bushes!"
Someone could make a good 'nettune outta this.

people still remeber Jebs slezy conduct during election 2000

I still have not seen anythign to back up your claims of an investigation that specifically targeted black people with no evidence for the sole purpose of intimidation. All I have seen is baseless rhetoric.

Yes, the Commander and Chief makes the decisions and is therefore culpable.....duh...jeez you'd think even YOU could figure that out. Oh, right, and JEB isn't the Commander in Chief and he's EVERY BIT as big a goon as Bush is!

Dun, dun, dun, dun, dududuhn!!
Dun, dun, dun, dun, dududuhn!!
Duhn, duhn, duhn duhn*

(*Darth Vader theme)

"You are a part of Democracynow.com and a traitor! Take her away!"
"I find your lack of conservatism . . . disturbing."
"I have your vote now!"
"Your ballots are weak, old man!"
"Don't be to proud of this website you have constructed. The ability to destroy a reputation is insignifigant next to the power of the Butterfly Ballot."
"Don't underestimate the Bushes!"

Proper title is "Imperial March" if we're thinking of the same song :D
Cheney: "What is thy bidding, my Master?
Bush: "Send the fleet to the far side of Florida. There it will stay, until called for."
Cheney: "What of reports of Democrats massing in Vermont?"
Bush: " It is of no concern. Soon the Democrats will be crushed and John Kerry will be one of us! Your work here is finished, my friend. Go out to the secret bunker and await my orders."
Cheny: "Yes, my Master."

Yes, the Commander and Chief makes the decisions and is therefore culpable.....duh...jeez you'd think even YOU could figure that out. Oh, right, and JEB isn't the Commander in Chief and he's EVERY BIT as big a goon as Bush is!
Evey person in the military makes decisions which is why our military is so good.

people still remeber Jebs slezy conduct during election 2000
Sleazy conduct like the blacks who were supposedly "intimidated" by empty police cruisers near a polling place?
Yes, you read that right, part of the mell of a hess that the very Reverend Jesse Jackson raised over the Florida election was about unmanned police cruisers. Apparently, we don't need cops anymore, just put a bunch of unmanned police cruisers on the streets and we'll all be too intimidated to step out of line.

Yes, the Commander and Chief makes the decisions and is therefore culpable.....duh...jeez you'd think even YOU could figure that out. Oh, right, and JEB isn't the Commander in Chief and he's EVERY BIT as big a goon as Bush is!
I know Jeb isn't, you brought in the Fed. You don't know as much as you think. Try a logic book. Stop watching the Simpsons so much "Duh" really makes your point?

its good to see some people are capable of deep insights on NS
Hey, I could be a raving lunatic whose sole purpose in life is to make unfounded claims about how evil conservatives are.

True but there is a culpablity Bush has that others cannot share. Yes, every person in our military makes choices to improve strategy, carry out missions, and protect troops, but only Bush gets to decide which battles are fought in the first place. Holding the men and women who make decisions to better carry out the assignments they are given and protect their men and women equally culpable with the person who sends the troops to battle in the first place is downright moronic! And people say that I don't think!

I know Jeb isn't, you brought in the Fed. You don't know as much as you think. Try a logic book. Stop watching the Simpsons so much "Duh" really makes your point?

Loving Balance does not have a point.

ok heres how voting fraud is investigated. The state has a list of names and some basic background information and places where adresses were put down. Now as you all know convicted felons aren't allowed to vote but in the last election they believed alot of ex cons voted illegally. Now to investigate they compare the names of people on the felons list and the voters list. Of course there will be some overlap as people have the same names. So with the list that overlaps they went to the people's houses to ask them questions about there crimminal record. And since 90% of crimes are commited by blacks its completely understandable most questioned would be blacks in this matter.
Also just going to someones house and talking to them is hardly an intimidating act. The actual investigation was probably just asking the person a few questions at there door if they were ever arrested for a crime if so what, that type of stuff or if they know anyone who might of voted illegally. Democracynow just took it and blew it way out of proportion.

*rolls her eyes* JEB is a goon because of his antiquated voting machines and refusal to listen to the black voters 4 YEARS ago...I never claimed that the Feds weren't sent in...where are you getting any of this??

Since when are 90% of crimes committed by blacks? Especially elderly ones? Otherwise you make a good point.

Hey, I could be a raving lunatic whose sole purpose in life is to make unfounded claims about how evil conservatives are.
but then you wouldnt be a lunatic youd be a prophet

True but there is a culpablity Bush has that others cannot share. Yes, every person in our military makes choices to improve strategy, carry out missions, and protect troops, but only Bush gets to decide which battles are fought in the first place. Holding the men and women who make decisions to better carry out the assignments they are given and protect their men and women equally culpable with the person who sends the troops to battle in the first place is downright moronic! And people say that I don't think!
Kerry voted to send troops to Iraq

Since when are 90% of crimes committed by blacks? Especially elderly ones? Otherwise you make a good point.
alot of crimes are committed by republican cubans--very strange how only blacks who vote democrat are the only ones targetted tho

Since when are 90% of crimes committed by blacks? Especially elderly ones? Otherwise you make a good point.


In crime statitistics in most areas 80-90% of crimes are commited by blacks. Also when you are convincted felon you can not vote for life. So they had to question some elderly people because of that in the first place and because of name overlapping they would of questioned some who never commited crimes.

Kerry voted to send troops to Iraq
Oh yeah, Kerry voted to send troops to Iraq

I don't agree with everything Kerry does...he is merely the lesser of two evils in my mind. If we ever had a truly corruption free candidate, I'd be thrilled.

In crime statitistics in most areas 80-90% of crimes are commited by blacks. Also when you are convincted felon you can not vote for life. So they had to question some elderly people because of that in the first place and because of name overlapping they would of questioned some who never commited crimes.
Felon voter laws are state by state and many let felons vote after probation or parole.

Felon voter laws are state by state and many let felons vote after probation or parole.

Florida its for life.

Thanks for clearing that up, Belem. :) I suppose that would require some elderly questioning. Though I doubt 80-90% of felonies ARE committed by black Americans, I actually find it easy to believe that this percentage of CONVICTED felons are, since usually African Americans are not allowed to plead down to lesser charges and are more likely to be arrested due to racism in the system.

I don't agree with everything Kerry does...he is merely the lesser of two evils in my mind. If we ever had a truly corruption free candidate, I'd be thrilled.
We win, your the worst thing about america someone who votes against someone instead of for someone. The reason we get idiots in office is you.

That was such a cohesive argument that totally didn't resort to petty name calling because you had such good points to fall back on.

I don't agree with everything Kerry does...he is merely the lesser of two evils in my mind. If we ever had a truly corruption free candidate, I'd be thrilled.
What are the two evils in your mind? Stop thinking of screwing children while eating Ben & Jerrys and go make some money.

Idiots...funny...I don't remember voting for Bush.... ;)

That was such a cohesive argument that totally didn't resort to petty name calling because you had such good points to fall back on.
You started to snide insults. Now it's a fault in others?

*cracks up* what you say is resorting more and more to name calling and making less and less sense.....I sure wish morons like you were really all I was up against

Actually I remeber being insulted first by someone who said I didn't think...maybe my memory's faulty but that's what I recall

Hey, 80-90% of all convicted criminals are idiots.
(Nows the part where I should look meaningfully at everyone, but the idea of looking at you people is just scary)

*cracks up* what you say is resorting more and more to name calling and making less and less sense.....I sure wish morons like you were really all I was up against
So you admit you started the insults, your just upset someone else can do the same thing I presume.

Thanks for clearing that up, Belem. :) I suppose that would require some elderly questioning. Though I doubt 80-90% of felonies ARE committed by black Americans, I actually find it easy to believe that this percentage of CONVICTED felons are, since usually African Americans are not allowed to plead down to lesser charges and are more likely to be arrested due to racism in the system.
and lets not forget all the millions of innocents getting raped in prisons all over america right now just for the "crime" of getting high and hurting no one

I read an article on this somewhere that was insightful, I wish I could find it now.

I just find it absurd that Jeb Bush is relying completely in technology that has already failed; I think if the election is close, and it comes down to Florida again, there's going to be many lawsuits against him, the state of Florida, and quite possibly the federal government if they do not intervene and demand intervention to get to the bottom, no matter who wins the Presidency.

Buddy you dont even kno the fiasco thats going on in florida over those stupid elections.
the election supervisor ( whom i met previously ) got fired cuz she was spending money on gay shit. Then her sister makes a public statement saying ehr sister was fired cuz she was black!!! which is complete BS, this election supervisor lady is just a horrible stupid business lady who likes to exploit money out of the government. so she pushed everything through late, and its just been a fiasco really.

and lets not forget all the millions of innocents getting raped in prisons all over america right now just for the "crime" of getting high and hurting no one

You must really like to get high huh :D

Alfred, you are clearly HIGH...I said that I remeber being insulted first, but no matter....this just isn't worth the trouble anymore...you welcome to disagree with me and be as insulting and filthy as you want...I'm just done caring

but then you wouldnt be a lunatic youd be a prophet
It seems I would also rebel against the tyranny of punctuation and capitalization.
Anyways, show me a prophet, and I'll show you a man who spent far too much time out in the desert/mountains living on insects.
But, meh, "raving prophet," "raving lunatic." Lets just comprimise with "raver."

Actually I remeber being insulted first by someone who said I didn't think...maybe my memory's faulty but that's what I recall
Right, someone points out a flaw in your statement and you start the insults. Nice that you admit it.

Alfred, you are clearly HIGH...I said that I remeber being insulted first, but no matter....this just isn't worth the trouble anymore...you welcome to disagree with me and be as insulting and filthy as you want...I'm just done caring
Wow, you stop caring about corruption at the highest level of government pretty easy.

I guess we define insult differently...I don't mind being disagreed with...you're welcome to think anything you want...have a goodnight. *throws an olive branch over her shoulder at Alfred, and moves on with her life*

I guess we define insult differently...I don't mind being disagreed with...you're welcome to think anything you want...have a goodnight. *throws an olive branch over her shoulder at Alfred, and moves on with her life*

You two need to kiss and make up, or get guns and shoot each other :D

You must really like to get high huh :D
oh yes--drugs are fun when you use them responsibley

It seems I would also rebel against the tyranny of punctuation and capitalization.
Anyways, show me a prophet, and I'll show you a man who spent far too much time out in the desert/mountains living on insects.
But, meh, "raving prophet," "raving lunatic." Lets just comprimise with "raver."
:cool:

oh yes--drugs are fun when you use them responsibley

Oh MKULTRA will you ever win.
Well coming from you, I would expect that statement. Get off of the glue! Better finish what you started, try soothing heroin or at least crystal meth.
Your' brain is already fried I tells ya!

BTW What is "responsibley" drug use? Ten rails of honk instead of twenty off of a $10 hookers bosom?

PS-You really are the living end!

Oh MKULTRA will you ever win.
Well coming from you, I would expect that statement. Get off of the glue! Better finish what you started, try soothing heroin or at least crystal meth.
Your' brain is already fried I tells ya!

BTW What is "responsibley" drug use? Ten rails of honk instead of twenty off of a $10 hookers bosom?

PS-You really are the living end!
I like the imagery of this post

BTW What is "responsibley" drug use? Ten rails of honk instead of twenty off of a $10 hookers bosom?



Responsible drug use is like having a cup of wine instead of the whole bottle :D
or doing one tab of xtc instead of 10

Its all about knowing your limits, and knowing whats really really dangerous.

Like me Ive already killed all the veins in my arm and neck, right now im working on my ankle veins, god heroin feels so good thru my ankel, ok, im gunna go do sum later :D

Responsible drug use is like having a cup of wine instead of the whole bottle :D
or doing one tab of xtc instead of 10

Its all about knowing your limits, and knowing whats really really dangerous.

Like me Ive already killed all the veins in my arm and neck, right now im working on my ankle veins, god heroin feels so good thru my ankel, ok, im gunna go do sum later :D

Wow it's amazing that you still have a computer with that smack habit of yours (sarcasm alert)! During the late 70's I did enough Peruvian Marching Powder to fund a small army, but I realized I had a problem and quit that crap. There is no responsible illegal drug use. Anything you put in your body is poison. One pill may not seem like much but keep taking one everyday, you'll live to find out what I mean. Drugs f*** up your mind, body, and soul. Even pot does, sure it might be "hip" and "cool", but in the end you just sound retarded, and pretty soon are retarded.

Man, I read alot of smart ass responses to this. I love these off the cuff opinions that are only posted to mock and attempt to discredit. Here's some more left wing propaganda for you.

Blacks scrubbed from voter lists (http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/12/04/voter_file/print.html)

I saw a post asking how they manage to pick on only Blacks who vote Democrat. When 93% of Blacks vote Democrat, it's not hard to find a Black Democrat is it?

53% of discarded votes were Black (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/06/20/ING2976LG61.DTL)

During the 2000 election, the discard rate for ballots where the population was Non-Black, the discard avg was 3.4 %, but where the population was more than 70% black, the discard rate was close to 10%

BTW Trpnout, that "gay shit" the Elections Supervisor bought? That was voting machines approved by the county over her objections.
Im not saying she didnt screw up, but at least keep to the proper complaints and dont blame someone for money spent by other people.

Responsible drug use is like having a cup of wine instead of the whole bottle :D
or doing one tab of xtc instead of 10

Its all about knowing your limits, and knowing whats really really dangerous.

Like me Ive already killed all the veins in my arm and neck, right now im working on my ankle veins, god heroin feels so good thru my ankel, ok, im gunna go do sum later :D
its also a good cure for heroin addiction too

The President is in the military Comander and Chief and all. Funny how you don't know that. He's kind of at the top. You might want to think once in a while.

S/he knows that already. If your brain were capable of rational thought you would understand that s/he is saying that she does not blame soldiers for the decisions of their leaders, or rank-and-file government employees for those of elected officials.

Way to totally avoid a poster's sufficiently clear and obvious points with a simplistic nit-picking designed to make you look remotely clever. :)

We win, your the worst thing about america someone who votes against someone instead of for someone. The reason we get idiots in office is you.

No actually in the 2000 presidential election it was exactly the opposite. Too many people voted for Nader and not enough people voted against W, and that's why we have this alcohol-brain-damaged sociopath in office.

Right, someone points out a flaw in your statement and you start the insults. Nice that you admit it.

Can you even read?

* I guess Bush is just incapable of winning fairly

Elderly Black Voters in Florida Questioned by Armed Troopers
Bob Herbert of the New York Times is reporting that the Florida Department of Law Enforcement recently sent armed state troopers into the home of dozens of elderly African-American voters to question them about an investigation into election fraud. The Florida Voters League reported the investigation has sent chilling messages to African-American voters to stay away from the polls in November
www.democracynow.org

Jezus, I thought that this was only done in regimes like that of republican friend Pinochet or other fascist regimes. Look out guys and don't let him grab your land anymore.

Thank you for sharing this information.

* I guess Bush is just incapable of winning fairly

Elderly Black Voters in Florida Questioned by Armed Troopers
Bob Herbert of the New York Times is reporting that the Florida Department of Law Enforcement recently sent armed state troopers into the home of dozens of elderly African-American voters to question them about an investigation into election fraud. The Florida Voters League reported the investigation has sent chilling messages to African-American voters to stay away from the polls in November
www.democracynow.org

The very fact that this information is from www.democracynow.org makes it highly suspicious.

The very fact that this information is from www.democracynow.org makes it highly suspicious.

On the contrary, I am amazad to see how you guys lose rights and freedom under this regime.

MKULTRA, thank's for the link.

http://estore.theforce.net/prodimages/sw8x10-sm/hamill2-signed.jpg

Look, another Stormtrooper!


Seriously -- I take democracynow.com about as seriously as I take Rush Limbaugh and Pat Robertson.... which is to say, not at all.

;) Can we please find some LESS biased news agencies to quote from?

LOL, look out George Lucas will be after you for $ for posting this image.

Basil, dont make a judgement on the rights and freedoms of America based on the ranting of left-wing nutjobs who are always obsessed with the idea that their freedoms are being infringed upon.

Most of America doenst care, because we're smart enought to know that some rules are there to protect us from ourselves. Many young people over here seem to think that because they dont have the right to kill themselves and take some people with them when they go, their personal freedoms are being crushed by some imaginary "establishment".

Im young, and I recognize that I have all the rights I'm guranteed. Some people you just can't please. So they twist stories to make it seem like there's someone "out to get them". That's called shifting the blame. We really do have a problem with that in this country.

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More proof that Bush is really Darth Vader in disguise and Cheney is Palpatine.

http://eserver.org/clogic/2003/anti-war%20protest--raleigh/darth_bush.gif

Basil, dont make a judgement on the rights and freedoms of America based on the ranting of left-wing nutjobs who are always obsessed with the idea that their freedoms are being infringed upon.

Most of America doenst care, because we're smart enought to know that some rules are there to protect us from ourselves. Many young people over here seem to think that because they dont have the right to kill themselves and take some people with them when they go, their personal freedoms are being crushed by some imaginary "establishment".

Im young, and I recognize that I have all the rights I'm guranteed. Some people you just can't please. So they twist stories to make it seem like there's someone "out to get them". That's called shifting the blame. We really do have a problem with that in this country.
I dont want to be protected from myself-I want to be protected from Big Brother and you sir have a classic case of whats known as Stockholm Syndrome where your identifying with your oppressor instead of your own liberation

My oppressor? Hardly. I identify with the government because I, along with the rest of the nation, decides what our government does. If we dont like what they do, we throw them out. If we do, they stay. Its that simple. That's what democracy is, majority rule. And the majority says that yes, smoking pot and doing certain drugs should be illegal. If you're the minority, tough, either find some fair and legal way to change it or move to Russia for all I care. If we cater to the minority, (yes, people in favor of legalizing pot are a minority) we've destroyed the whole concept of democracy.

But telling half-truths and making everything seem like a conspiracy that keeps you down is a really half-assed and pitiful attempt to garner attention to your cause.

I dont want to be protected from myself-I want to be protected from Big Brother and you sir have a classic case of whats known as Stockholm Syndrome where your identifying with your oppressor instead of your own liberation

Says the man with the prophet complex.

State troopers investigating election fraud. If they were white people being investigated would you make an issue of it?
black people are a target democratic demographic, so why arnt the white people being ivestigated instead of just black. cant bullshit your way out of this

Great now we are probably going to have to listen to Al Sharpton bitch and cry and whine about this :upyours: <-- to Big Gay Al Sharpton

Basil, dont make a judgement on the rights and freedoms of America based on the ranting of left-wing nutjobs who are always obsessed with the idea that their freedoms are being infringed upon.

Most of America doenst care, because we're smart enought to know that some rules are there to protect us from ourselves. Many young people over here seem to think that because they dont have the right to kill themselves and take some people with them when they go, their personal freedoms are being crushed by some imaginary "establishment".

Im young, and I recognize that I have all the rights I'm guranteed. Some people you just can't please. So they twist stories to make it seem like there's someone "out to get them". That's called shifting the blame. We really do have a problem with that in this country.
i dont even know where to start on this inane partisan blind bullshit, so i wont bother, you nutjobs wont listen anyway

In crime statitistics in most areas 80-90% of crimes are commited by blacks.

Link please?

My oppressor? Hardly. I identify with the government because I, along with the rest of the nation, decides what our government does. If we dont like what they do, we throw them out. If we do, they stay. Its that simple. That's what democracy is, majority rule. And the majority says that yes, smoking pot and doing certain drugs should be illegal. If you're the minority, tough, either find some fair and legal way to change it or move to Russia for all I care. If we cater to the minority, (yes, people in favor of legalizing pot are a minority) we've destroyed the whole concept of democracy.

But telling half-truths and making everything seem like a conspiracy that keeps you down is a really half-assed and pitiful attempt to garner attention to your cause.

Ignoring any news and implications thereof that seem to indicate a threat to our freedom to choose our leaders is not even half a half-assed way to insure the continuation of your supposed liberties.

Great now we are probably going to have to listen to Al Sharpton bitch and cry and whine about this :upyours: <-- to Big Gay Al Sharpton

Lol :D

Link please?

I doubt he'll be able to produce one, simply because there are no good statistics on crimes committed, because it's impossible to catalogue all crimes people commit because we don't have the money or the manpower to keep track of a few hundred million people's every move. The only nationwide data that I know of is on arrests, not crimes committed, and it comes from police departments around the U.S. and is compiled in what's called the UCR if I remember correctly. It has problems in terms of reliability because it's completely voluntary. A police department could fail to contribute to the UCR because they want to hide racist policies or because they simply lack sufficient funding.

Ignoring any news and implications thereof that seem to indicate a threat to our freedom to choose our leaders is not even half a half-assed way to insure the continuation of your supposed liberties.

Im hardly ignoring it. I recognize it for what it is, a regular police activity that has been seized upon by the conspiracy theorists and twisted into some imagined crushing of their personal freedoms.

Okay, so the state troopers were armed. Big deal. They are normally, and I'm not crying "repression" when they pull me over to give me a speeding ticket. As for the issue of the voters being black, so what. If, as Belem has stated, 80% of these convicted felons are black, wouldn't many of their close family and associates be black? And if you were investigating illegal activitied by these felons, wouldn't you interview friends and relatives? This may seem like a racist comment, but in view of actual social habits, it's the truth. So there goes the whole race card of your argument.

Because Democracynow is acceptedly a biased source, I'd bet there were probably some whites questioned as well. Jeb would have to be even dumber than you'd like to portray him as to do something like that.

Oh, and Chess Squares, you call my reasoning bullshit. Explain. What have I said that isn't logical? Just calling it partisan bullshit doesnt make you seem very intelligent. At least other people of the same view as you are attempting to defend their beliefs with logic. Rhetoric like yours is the real bullshit.

Did you guys forget that the butterfly ballot was created by a Floridian democrat ???? Every year, there is a look into voting fraud as politicians promise pardons to certain groups to win votes. Florida just wants to avoid deja vu.

Look, the real question is why those state troopers weren't being used to finish the cleanup from the two hurricanes.

And..... I can't figure out why making exaggerated posts about every anti-rep tidbit that appears on a single super-mega biased site is such an unresistable addiction for some of you.

The US is hardly a tranny by majority as you all think.This country has grown too partisan for my taste...

black people are a target democratic demographic, so why arnt the white people being ivestigated instead of just black. cant bullshit your way out of this

Don't jump to conclusions. Reread the article. Nowhere does it say that only black people were investigated.

Couldn't find it at http://www.democracynow.org/, so here're links to the originals:
Bob Herbert: Troopers' visits chill black vote in Florida (http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/relatedarticles/35734.php) (08.25.2004)
Bob Herbert: Florida investigation chills older black voters (http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/vote/35237.php) (08.22.2004)
Bob Herbert: Florida strong-arms elderly black voters (http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/relatedarticles/34912.php) (08.19.2004)

And here's an article (http://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/story.asp?ID=4391) regarding the actual investigation.

It's a simple case of an investigation into a legitimate case of vote fraud that upset a small number of overly paranoid people. No indication that intimidation was the intent.

My oppressor? Hardly. I identify with the government because I, along with the rest of the nation, decides what our government does. If we dont like what they do, we throw them out. If we do, they stay. Its that simple. That's what democracy is, majority rule. And the majority says that yes, smoking pot and doing certain drugs should be illegal. If you're the minority, tough, either find some fair and legal way to change it or move to Russia for all I care. If we cater to the minority, (yes, people in favor of legalizing pot are a minority) we've destroyed the whole concept of democracy.

But telling half-truths and making everything seem like a conspiracy that keeps you down is a really half-assed and pitiful attempt to garner attention to your cause.
thats not true--the majority doesnt rule-we have INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS that must be respected and one of those is the right to get high

thats not true--the majority doesnt rule-we have INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS that must be respected and one of those is the right to get high

Haha! When you can show me where it says in the Constitution that you have the personal right to get high, I'll take a big hit with you. Until then, it's still constitutionally allowed to be illegal

Did you guys forget that the butterfly ballot was created by a Floridian democrat ???? Every year, there is a look into voting fraud as politicians promise pardons to certain groups to win votes. Florida just wants to avoid deja vu.

. . .



Wasn't that a former Republican who converted to a Democrat and then went Independent and is now leaning towards Republican again? Or am I thinking of someone else?

As for deja vu, I am fully expecting even worse after Diebold gets done "counting" the votes.

thats not true--the majority doesnt rule-we have INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS that must be respected and one of those is the right to get high


http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html#amendmentvi

Nope, no right to get high....

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html#amendmentvi

Nope, no right to get high....

That would fall unter the category of 'pursuit of happiness'. :)

Haha! When you can show me where it says in the Constitution that you have the personal right to get high, I'll take a big hit with you. Until then, it's still constitutionally allowed to be illegal
Under the persuit of happiness amendment and the right to be left alone

If you live in Florida right now like me there are national guard all over the place because of getting hit by two and now possibly a third hurricane. Not to mention this state is known for snowbirds that change their states from north to south during the autumn months which happen to be election season so they want to make sure they have proof of residence.

Under the persuit of happiness amendment and the right to be left alone

:headbang:

If you're going to argue this, at least do it correctly.

Here's a little homework: please look through the constitution and give us the "persuit (sic) of happiness amendment" and the amendment giving us "the right to be left alone" and the text of both.
Here's a handy-dandy list of amendments (http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.table.html#amendments).
(Hint one of those doesn't exist and the other isn't specified...)

:headbang:

If you're going to argue this, at least do it correctly.

Here's a little homework: please look through the constitution and give us the "persuit (sic) of happiness amendment" and the amendment giving us "the right to be left alone" and the text of both.
Here's a handy-dandy list of amendments (http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.table.html#amendments).
(Hint one of those doesn't exist and the other isn't specified...)
its in the claus section

its in the claus section

Both the "persuit (sic) of happiness amendment" and the "right to be left alone" are in the "claus (sic) section". And pray tell which amendment is the "claus (sic) section" in? And what is the text of said amendment?

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More proof that Bush is really Darth Vader in disguise and Cheney is Palpatine.
LOL - And Michael Moore is Jar-Jar!

Kerry is Darth Sidious

Edwards is Freddy Kreuger - (does not belong in the picture)

and democrats are all robot-warriors

Armed storm troopers??????? I don't think we have them here in the USA and if we did they would not intimidate people.

police 'investigations' and 'questioning' are pretty intimidating under any circumstances. .
Especially for people who are breaking the law.

thanks Fascist--I like your values too.


Liberal Handbook Ch 14 - When you run out of ideas

"Often you will find that conservatives will challenge our ideas beyond what we consider acceptable. Since this is not the soviet union we cannot have them killed. (yet) We will provide you plenty of canned answers for them, but if you find yourself having to resort to your own wit, and you have none, always resort to insults. Here are some of our preffered;

1) Fascist!
2) Nazi!
3) Pig!


They are most effective when used together. Always remember. When you run out of ideas or arguments, use insults. When your argument shows weakness, use insults. When you can no longer think for yourself, use insults."

why just black voters who vote democrat? why not cuban republican voters where there is more odds of fraud?
Are you suggesting Cubans are less ethical than Blacks?

That's mighty white of you.

How is investigating voter fraud "intimidation" again?

And please, old people are easily scared by anything. Even if the State Trooper had shown up with nothing but his hat and flashlight....

:D
Doesn't that guy work for Chip n Dale's?

when its geared towards only one group of people
Ah, I see. So under this same argument a liberal murderer cannot be investigated until a conservative murderer is also being investigate.

Ya, that makes perfect sense to me.

Proper title is "Imperial March" if we're thinking of the same song :D
Cheney: "What is thy bidding, my Master?
Bush: "Send the fleet to the far side of Florida. There it will stay, until called for."
Cheney: "What of reports of Democrats massing in Vermont?"
Bush: " It is of no concern. Soon the Democrats will be crushed and John Kerry will be one of us! Your work here is finished, my friend. Go out to the secret bunker and await my orders."
Cheny: "Yes, my Master."


ROFLMAO!

Thanks, I needed that real bad. Now I must go put up my storm shutters. :(

True but there is a culpablity Bush has that others cannot share. Yes, every person in our military makes choices to improve strategy, carry out missions, and protect troops, but only Bush gets to decide which battles are fought in the first place. Holding the men and women who make decisions to better carry out the assignments they are given and protect their men and women equally culpable with the person who sends the troops to battle in the first place is downright moronic! And people say that I don't think!


Ummm, maybe you slept during that day in Government class. The president does not pick the battles, that is for generals and field commanders.

The president does not even decide to go to war, it requires a congressional vote - which Bush got in advance.

Even his opponent, John Kerry voted for it and has said he would do it again, even knowing what he knows today.

Liberals have such selective memory...

Ummm, maybe you slept during that day in Government class. The president does not pick the battles, that is for generals and field commanders.

The president does not even decide to go to war, it requires a congressional vote - which Bush got in advance.

Even his opponent, John Kerry voted for it and has said he would do it again, even knowing what he knows today.

Liberals have such selective memory...
wronng, we are not in a war and kerry did not vote to go to war, the vote was to give the president the ability to go into iraq to remove the WMDs

if liberals have a selective memory, conservatives see a selective reality

*rolls her eyes* JEB is a goon because of his antiquated voting machines and refusal to listen to the black voters 4 YEARS ago...I never claimed that the Feds weren't sent in...where are you getting any of this??

You suggest Jeb (and by extension conservatives) do not listen to black voters, yet it was Al Sharpton himself who said the Democratic Party acts as if black voters ''are their mistress that they have to hide.''

alot of crimes are committed by republican cubans--
Based on what... your own prejudice? Why don't you go put your sheet on and go intimidate some Cubans yourself.

I don't agree with everything Kerry does...he is merely the lesser of two evils in my mind. If we ever had a truly corruption free candidate, I'd be thrilled.
So then you're voting for Nader?

You suggest Jeb (and by extension conservatives) do not listen to black voters, yet it was Al Sharpton himself who said the Democratic Party acts as if black voters ''are their mistress that they have to hide.''
and yet the black voters vote 90%+ democrat, maybe its because the rpeublicans dont give a fuck about them, which is reinforeced by shit like that florida debacle

My oppressor? Hardly. I identify with the government because I, along with the rest of the nation, decides what our government does. If we dont like what they do, we throw them out. If we do, they stay. Its that simple. .
So it was YOU who decided that pot should be illegal, that .08 should be the alcohol limit and that 21 should be the age for drinking.