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I think if Bush wants to invade a country killing tons of young poor adults, his stupid daughter who does support him should get a little taste of it too! Only one senator and no congress have kids there.

I think if Bush wants to invade a country killing tons of young poor adults, his stupid daughter who does support him should get a little taste of it too! Only one senator and no congress have kids there.

Last I heard there was no draft and people joined the military voluntarily. So your point is, well you have no point.

Only one senator and no congress have kids there.

The Senate is part of Congress, don't you mean only one senator and no representatives have kids in the military overseas.

Last I heard there was no draft and people joined the military voluntarily. So your point is, well you have no point.
Indeed.

A better idea would be to find one of Bushs relatives who's currently in the military and send them over to Iraq.

Actually, that brings up a good question: How many relaives does Bush have in the military, and what are their current assignments? (Assuming that such information isn't classified.)

The Senate is part of Congress, don't you mean only one senator and no representatives have kids in the military overseas.
I assume that that is what he means. Otherwise, his statement makes no sense.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."

Oh yeah like it’s a good idea to send an alcoholic down to Iraq to help us fight. Do you want more soldiers to get killed or something?

I don't see why it matters whether a senator has a child in the military or not. It is a volunteer military, and they cannot decide whether their children are interested in military service or not. Sure, I can see that there is a point to be made that they would be less swift to go to war if they knew they would be sending their own children and relatives, but I sincerely doubt that they made the decision lightly. It is not like Dick, Rummy, and George Dubya were sitting in the oval office one day and just said," Hey, let's start a war!" The very idea of that is absurd. I think everybodys time could be better spent debating other things. Which now begs the question, why on earth am I wasting my time with this?

I'm slightly to the left as far as politics go, however, I thought a little truth might be good. Apparantly, there is more than one congressmen (senate/house) with a kid overseas. However, there is only one with a kid in Iraq. Last I checked, you don't exactly pick where you're station in a time of war, and if you do, who would choose the country we're at war with? Honestly?

Hmm, it depends. If she goes to Iraq, then will she be able to hit the Alpha Phi kegger and the Mu Delta "Drink Till Ya Puke" slumber party? I mean, she can always skip the Tri Eps beer blast because they only serve domestic. I guess the real deciding factor will be if there's an open bar or not.

Hmm, it depends. If she goes to Iraq, then will she be able to hit the Alpha Phi kegger and the Mu Delta "Drink Till Ya Puke" slumber party? I mean, she can always skip the Tri Eps beer blast because they only serve domestic. I guess the real deciding factor will be if there's an open bar or not.
Way to make fun of a young girl's alcohol problem! *High Five*

Way to make fun of a young girl's alcohol problem! *High Five*

Doesn't seem like she has much of a problem with alcohol. She knows exactly what to do with it.

I think Jenna Bush would definitely improve morale...until she passes out in central Baghdad, get tossed in prison, and has to be extricated by Daddy.

hmmm

that might make sense if Bush forced people to join the army

but seeing as how THEY VOLUNTERED your whole argument is illogical

everyone in the united states armed forces is a volunteer and chose to be a part of it. that is a fact. so your argument is flawed at its premise. and by the way, it is another fact that the iraq war has had lower casualties both civilian and military as compared to every other american war exept the gulf war of 1991. you libs are getting truely desperate.

Way to make fun of a young girl's alcohol problem! *High Five*

Perhaps if she wasn't a spoilt rich brat and daughter of good old Nutsy-the-Christian-Warmonger, people might be a little more sensitive to her problems...

Perhaps if she wasn't a spoilt rich brat and daughter of good old Nutsy-the-Christian-Warmonger, people might be a little more sensitive to her problems...

we get to judge people by who there parents are?

look out john kerry

you people are missing the point. look at my last post for the point.

we get to judge people by who there parents are?

look out john kerry

We get to judge people by what they do with the advantages they're given. So far, the Bush girls have squandered them.

I thought we were speaking of the idea that they should be forced to go to iraq. everyone knows that is insane and is avoiding it by trying to sidetrack. how sad.......once again...the armed forces of the USA is 100% volunteer. hard medicine to swallow if you happen to be a liberal.

We get to judge people by what they do with the advantages they're given. So far, the Bush girls have squandered them.

And they are alone in that regard? Who honestly cares what they do?

We get to judge people by what they do with the advantages they're given. So far, the Bush girls have squandered them.
Like the advantage of good parenting? Do they have good parents ("Nutsy-the-Christian-Warmonger"?), or are they disadvantaged in that regard? Is a decent family more advantageous than being rich or connected?

ok, typical thread right here.......outragous post by a far left radical followed by the discussion of anything but the actual subject originaly stated. this really is pretty sad.

ok, typical thread right here.......outragous post by a far left radical followed by the discussion of anything but the actual subject originaly stated. this really is pretty sad.

Because the OP knew they had no point, they just expected the usual wave of Bush-haters to come and join the mud-slinging party. As of yet, the cavalry has not arrived.

we get to judge people by who there parents are?

look out john kerry

Only if they push the same idiotic idealogy as their parents...;)

I thought we were speaking of the idea that they should be forced to go to iraq. everyone knows that is insane and is avoiding it by trying to sidetrack. how sad.......once again...the armed forces of the USA is 100% volunteer. hard medicine to swallow if you happen to be a liberal.

Yes, 100% volunteer, but often the only career choice availble to the disadvantaged masses...or would you rather them go on welfare?

Like the advantage of good parenting? Do they have good parents ("Nutsy-the-Christian-Warmonger"?), or are they disadvantaged in that regard? Is a decent family more advantageous than being rich or connected?

Exactly. I am tired of hearing people whinge about "rich kids" wasting their "advantages". Well, guess what! They are their advantages to waste. Whether they take advantage of them or waste them has no bearing on anyone so why do people care?

ok, typical thread right here.......outragous post by a far left radical followed by the discussion of anything but the actual subject originaly stated. this really is pretty sad.

That's the point, though. The initial post was so completely outrageous than it doesn't even merit considered debate. No one should be "forced" to go to war and the idea that Bush's daughters would is actually laughable.

Yes, 100% volunteer, but often the only career choice availble to the disadvantaged masses...or would you rather them go on welfare?

ok, nobody has yet to explain why anyone ( originaly talking about the president's daughters) should be forced to go to iraq. secondly, are you telling me that at any time the military is the only job open to people in a nation with the largest and fastest growing economy in the world? ( unemployment 5.5% below average even for us). come on, get serious. and i want everyone to talk about the topic of the thread now and agree or disagree with the premise that someone who is not volunteered for military service should be forceably sent to iraq.

Like the advantage of good parenting? Do they have good parents ("Nutsy-the-Christian-Warmonger"?), or are they disadvantaged in that regard? Is a decent family more advantageous than being rich or connected?

I never said there aren't other advantages, only that the Bush daughters have had some very big ones. Money talks. Connections talk. All we've seen from the twins is drunken pictures and a tounge being stuck out at paparazzi.

so i guess we all agree that the premise was dumb so now we are talking about somthing totaly different. ok then. not much else to say here in that case.

I never said there aren't other advantages, only that the Bush daughters have had some very big ones. Money talks. Connections talk. All we've seen from the twins is drunken pictures and a tounge being stuck out at paparazzi.

And this has something to do with you? Why do you care?

secondly, are you telling me that at any time the military is the only job open to people in a nation with the largest and fastest growing economy in the world? ( unemployment 5.5% below average even for us). come on, get serious.

In many cases, yes - I am very serious.

Sooner or later, the other "unskilled" occupations, such as flipping burgers or pumping gas, DO get filled, you know. If you really believe that every single soldier in the US army is there because it was their primary career choice, you are the one who isn't being serious.

Anyway, I do agree that this line of argument is fairly irrelevant to the original intent of this thread. Do I think Miss Partytime Bush should be sent to Iraq? Of course not - it is a silly suggestion. But topics do often evolve and change from their original topic, you know. Take a look around the forums sometimes, you might notice it. ;)

so i guess we all agree that the premise was dumb so now we are talking about somthing totaly different. ok then. not much else to say here in that case.

Of course the premise was dumb. Conscription is bad from everyone's view point.

so i guess we all agree that the premise was dumb so now we are talking about somthing totaly different. ok then. not much else to say here in that case.

Yes, the original topic was a non-topic.

I like ming dynasty china, if a politician did something wrong they disapeared inthe night. But since we dont have that why not good old fashioned mandatory military service for those who voted for war to have there children fight...after all if they believe that strongly then they should definetly have no trouble letting there children go

hmmm...now that you mention it, how many countries have some sort of conscription?....Germany, Switzerland....let's continue...

I never said there aren't other advantages, only that the Bush daughters have had some very big ones. Money talks. Connections talk. All we've seen from the twins is drunken pictures and a tounge being stuck out at paparazzi.
yep those great advantages they have, when I was a college student gettting drunk I didn't have a horde of paparazzi following me to chonicle every step. Seriously, what dispicable things have the twins done that most college students don't do, except get their misdeeds splattered accross newpapers on four continents?

Conscription - Israel.

When you say send Bush's girls to Iraq, do you mean as combatants or as troop morale visits?
I think the latter, cause those girls know how to party!

Here is the information for conscription.

Nations with Universal Conscription

Afghanistan
Albania
Algeria
Angola
Bolivia
Cambodia
Chile
China
Colombia
Cuba
Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea)
Dominican Republic
Ecuador
Egypt
El Salvador
Equatorial Guinea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Greece
Guatemala
Guinea-Bassau
Honduras
Georgia
Guinea
Iran
Iraq (As of 2001)
Israel
Kazakstan
Lao People's Republic
Republic of Lebanon
Liberia
Libya
Madagascar
Mexico
Mongolia
Morocco
Mozambique
Paraguay
Peru
Philippines
Republic of Korea (South Korea)
Romania
Singapore
Somalia
Sudan
Thailand
Tunisia
Turkey
Venezuela
Vietnam
Yemen

Nations with Limited Draft - These are nations that will draft under special circumstances or in a limited capacity and that have lawful exemptions from service

Austria
Belarus
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Brazil
Bulgaria
Cape Verde
Croatia
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Denmark
Federal Republic of Germany
Finland
France
Hungary
Italy
Latvia
Lithuania
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Russian Federation
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Ukraine
Yugoslavia (Serbia)

Countries with No Draft

Antiqua and Barbuda
Australia
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belgium
Belize
Botswana
Brunei
Burkina Faso
Burundi
Cameroon
Canada
Costa Rica
Djibouti
Fiji
Gabon
Gambia
Ghana
Grenada
Haiti
Hong Kong
Iceland
India
Ireland
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kenya
Kyrgyzstan
Lesotho
Luxembourg
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Malta
Mauritania
Mauritius
Monaco
Myanmar
Nepal
Netherlands
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Nigeria
Oman
Pakistan
Panama
Papua New Guinea
Qatar
Rwanda
San Marino
Saudi Arabia
Sierra Leone
South Africa
Sri Lanka
Suriname
Swaziland
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Uganda
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
United States of America
Uruguay
Vanuatu
Zambia
Zimbabwe

I think the more interesting question, which the original poster could have made, rather than making a rather nonsensical suggestion about sending Bush's daughter to Iraq, was 'does the limited 'stake' of the US leadership (in the sense of offspring and relatives, and even dare I say it, people of their social class who would have to fight and possibly die in Iraq) mean that they are more willing to go to war and sacrifice troops than they would be if more of 'their people' would be put at risk?

"Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight
They leave that all to the poor"

- Black Sabbath, War Pigs

I like ming dynasty china, if a politician did something wrong they disapeared inthe night. But since we dont have that why not good old fashioned mandatory military service for those who voted for war to have there children fight...after all if they believe that strongly then they should definetly have no trouble letting there children go

:rolleyes: You realize that if this ming dynasty thing happend, Bill Clinton would have gone bye bye as well for whitewater and his sessions with monica in the oval office.

I think it is only the old principle that have been with warfare for most of it's history if you lower class you go out in war and die as a footsoldiers or something like that and if you upper class you either stay home or become a knight or something other fancy. And it didn't end with the end of nobelity instead it was now the amount of money and influence the family that decided. This becomes especielly clear in countries with a proffesional army and a lot of uneaquliness. America is a very good example of it because even begining with your indepence revolution it was most the poor and lower classes that did the figthing. And the same happens during both the wietnam war and todays iraq war.