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Poll: Militia Movement, yes or no?

Communist Mississippi
21-08-2004, 03:29
What are your thoughts. Please, if you have to flame, go on MSN or Yahoo, not here.
CSW
21-08-2004, 03:30
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Bliss.
Letila
21-08-2004, 03:32
Let's see:

-They're racist
-They're capitalist
-They make anarchism look bad

How about no?
Communist Mississippi
21-08-2004, 03:32
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Sydenia
21-08-2004, 03:33
I'm familiar with what a militia is, but not of any specific 'militia movement'; anyone care to explain their basic ideologies, principles, etc...?
Greater Valia
21-08-2004, 03:34
Let's see:

-They're racist
-They're capitalist
-They make anarchism look bad

How about no?

As for the first two I think that only shows your ignorance. But regarding the third option I think Anarchism does that by itself.
Crabcake Baba Ganoush
21-08-2004, 03:38
I am a militiaman. I am a militia of one. To find out how you can be a militia of one contact you local weapon shop.
Siljhouettes
21-08-2004, 03:41
Those terrorists-waiting-to-happen? Don't ban them, it's their right. But if they step out of line...

BAN!
Letila
21-08-2004, 03:42
As for the first two I think that only shows your ignorance. But regarding the third option I think Anarchism does that by itself.

I have read about them before and they appeared on a Star Trek episode so I know enough about them. As for anarchism looking bad, you've never seen real anarchism and I don't think you know what it is like.
Communist Mississippi
21-08-2004, 03:42
I am a militiaman. I am a militia of one. To find out how you can be a militia of one contact you local weapon shop.


I'm in an actual militia... I say no more...
Communist Mississippi
21-08-2004, 03:43
I have read about them before and they appeared on a Star Trek episode so I know enough about them. As for anarchism looking bad, you've never seen real anarchism and I don't think you know what it is like.


Anarchism is a lack of a government, a lack of central authority. If you want that, move to Somalia, then enjoy! You can have all the anarchy you want! Till your heart's content!
CSW
21-08-2004, 03:46
I have read about them before and they appeared on a Star Trek episode so I know enough about them. As for anarchism looking bad, you've never seen real anarchism and I don't think you know what it is like.
Is that a joke?
Sydenia
21-08-2004, 03:48
I'll assume we're talking just a generic militia then. I can't say I'm terribly fond of the idea; but so long as they don't hold illegal weapons, and don't go around breaking laws left, right and center - go for it, I guess.
Greater Valia
21-08-2004, 03:49
I have read about them before and they appeared on a Star Trek episode so I know enough about them. As for anarchism looking bad, you've never seen real anarchism and I don't think you know what it is like.

Wow, I almost didnt have to respond to this. But I just couldnt resist after reading that first part. You know about militia's after seeing them appear on an episode of Star Trek? I hope you know that Star Trek is a fictional television show that has no grounding at all in reality. Because if you didnt, then it would just prove that all Anarchists are really, really, stupid.
Lunatic Goofballs
21-08-2004, 03:53
I have a real problem with large groups of people who think that the only solution is guns.

Even the U.S. Army builds schools and dams every now and then. Feh.
Goed
21-08-2004, 03:55
I have a real problem with large groups of people who think that the only solution is guns.

Even the U.S. Army builds schools and dams every now and then. Feh.

Exactly.
Letila
21-08-2004, 03:55
Anarchism is a lack of a government, a lack of central authority. If you want that, move to Somalia, then enjoy! You can have all the anarchy you want! Till your heart's content!

That isn't anarchy. That's anomie. There's a difference. Given the high level of FGM there, it is hardpressed to qualify as anti-authoritarian.

Wow, I almost didnt have to respond to this. But I just couldnt resist after reading that first part. You know about militia's after seeing them appear on an episode of Star Trek? I hope you know that Star Trek is a fictional television show that has no grounding at all in reality. Because if you didnt, then it would just prove my opinion that all Anarchists are really, really, stupid.

It was a joke. I have read enough about them, though.
Zygus
21-08-2004, 03:55
Star Trek is a fictional television show
:eek:
Blasphemer :mad:
Letila
21-08-2004, 04:00
Blasphemer

My thoughts exactly. You just can't accept that you will never be as cool as Odo, even though he's part of a government, Greater Valia!
New Anthrus
21-08-2004, 04:18
I like the idea of militias, as they are needed as a check on our government, should they become tyrannical. However, I have never been a supporter of mobilizing militias, and currently, it isn't needed.
However, I think that, rather intentionally or not, gun control undermines the 2nd Amendment's reassurance of militias.The assaullt weapons ban undermines any militia's ability in being able to resist a tyrannical government, or a foreign power. I think a fair compromise would be to allow institutional buying of assault weapons, but not their sale to individuals.
Hattia
21-08-2004, 04:19
Well, I know a few people who are in militias and they are nice people, and none that I've met are the crazy nazi bombthrowers that most people think they are...
Communist Mississippi
21-08-2004, 04:23
The assaullt weapons ban undermines any militia's ability in being able to resist a tyrannical government, or a foreign power.

I think a fair compromise would be to allow institutional buying of assault weapons, but not their sale to individuals.


You can buy "post-ban" weapons that are virtually identical to the pre-ban (Just without the folding stocks, front pistol grips, flash suppressors, etc)



Allow buying on the institutional level but not selling to people? Hm.... Okay, whatever that means... If you're buying, that means somebody is selling.

Institutions don't need weapons, people do.
New Anthrus
21-08-2004, 04:30
You can buy "post-ban" weapons that are virtually identical to the pre-ban (Just without the folding stocks, front pistol grips, flash suppressors, etc)



Allow buying on the institutional level but not selling to people? Hm.... Okay, whatever that means... If you're buying, that means somebody is selling.

Institutions don't need weapons, people do.
By definition, a militia is two or more people. Militias are rarely one person. I believe that a collection of people should have the collective bargaining power to buy assault weapons. I'd prefer it to Joe Killer walking into a gun shop and buying an M-16. Collective buying by militias would be better because militias can use assault weapons more responsibly than loan kooks.
Kryozerkia
21-08-2004, 04:32
As long as it doesn't affect myself...let live and let die.
Unified West Africa
21-08-2004, 04:33
On the one hand, I'm in favor of weapons ownership because I don't trust the reactionaries currently in power not to infringe upon my rights if the populace is completely unarmed.

On the other hand, the current militia movements tend to be even MORE reactionary than the people currently in power, harbor very bizarre conspiracy theories, and a few even have a nasty racist streak among them.

So yeah, armed populace, blah blah blah, good. But I don't trust the current militia movement any farther than I can throw them.
Communist Mississippi
21-08-2004, 04:39
On the one hand, I'm in favor of weapons ownership because I don't trust the reactionaries currently in power not to infringe upon my rights if the populace is completely unarmed.

On the other hand, the current militia movements tend to be even MORE reactionary than the people currently in power, harbor very bizarre conspiracy theories, and a few even have a nasty racist streak among them.

So yeah, armed populace, blah blah blah, good. But I don't trust the current militia movement any farther than I can throw them.


You think the government ZOG/NWO governments are reactionary? Maybe in the masonic sense! But they still want to usher in the New World Order, to do that, they plan to break the back of the white laboring class and the white middle class, turning them into landless serfs with no direction in their life. USA 2025= BRAZIL today.
New Anthrus
21-08-2004, 04:44
You think the government ZOG/NWO governments are reactionary? Maybe in the masonic sense! But they still want to usher in the New World Order, to do that, they plan to break the back of the white laboring class and the white middle class, turning them into landless serfs with no direction in their life. USA 2025= BRAZIL today.
Brazil today isn't a bad country. The economy is doing rather good, and the living standards, while not optimal, are some of the best in the developing world.
And while I did say I supported militias, I don't think I'm that supportive of your militia. I hope you guys don't have plans to mobilize in the future.
Communist Mississippi
21-08-2004, 04:46
I hope you guys don't have plans to mobilize in the future.


Well you can keep hoping until the cows come home. :D


The NWO/ZOG/UN army is not going to be turning the USA into a Brazil anytime soon! Not if we have a say in it!


Brazil is a vile, wretched, violent, crime-infested nation. Corruptions abounds, and it's not safe place to be for anybody, especially the Europeans.
New Anthrus
21-08-2004, 04:51
Well you can keep hoping until the cows come home. :D


The NWO/ZOG/UN army is not going to be turning the USA into a Brazil anytime soon! Not if we have a say in it!


Brazil is a vile, wretched, violent, crime-infested nation. Corruptions abounds, and it's not safe place to be for anybody, especially the Europeans.
How large is your militia, anyhow?
Communist Mississippi
21-08-2004, 04:53
How large is your militia, anyhow?



I'm not at liberty to specify exact numbers but it's at least a 5 digit figure.
Unified West Africa
21-08-2004, 04:57
ZOG? Please tell me you're kidding.

What's happening is exactly the opposite of what you're proposing. The governments of the developed countries are hell bent on maintaining the wealth and power of their states and corporations through the vicious, pronounced exploitation of third world workers in the neo-colonial countries. We're not turning into the third world; we're keeping the third world poor so we can milk it for everything it's worth.
New Anthrus
21-08-2004, 04:57
I'm not at liberty to specify exact numbers but it's at least a 5 digit figure.
*runs for cover*
Greater Valia
21-08-2004, 04:57
My thoughts exactly. You just can't accept that you will never be as cool as Odo, even though he's part of a government, Greater Valia!


I have no clue who the fuck Odo is...
Unified West Africa
21-08-2004, 04:59
"I'm not at liberty to specify exact numbers but it's at least a 5 digit figure."

Liar. There are no militias with numbers above 10,000, not individually. Maybe if you lump several together and pad your numbers, but otherwise I call bullshit.
Communist Mississippi
21-08-2004, 05:00
ZOG? Please tell me you're kidding.

What's happening is exactly the opposite of what you're proposing. The governments of the developed countries are hell bent on maintaining the wealth and power of their states and corporations through the vicious, pronounced exploitation of third world workers in the neo-colonial countries. We're not turning into the third world; we're keeping the third world poor so we can milk it for everything it's worth.


That is what ZOG wants you to think. Put they are depressing the wages white workers can demand by brining in cheap 3rd world labor and by outsourcing jobs. It's impossible for a white man to compete in this sort of situation, although with the outsourcing, quality control goes to hell.

That is why democracy and capitalism must be rejected just as strongly as we reject masonry, communism, marxist, etc.

We need the third position, we must find ourselves the third position philosophy and adapt it to the specific needs of our land.
Unified West Africa
21-08-2004, 05:01
So you're a National Socialist, eh? You finally came out and said it. I had suspicions before..

And now I know you're lieing about the 5 digit thing.
Communist Mississippi
21-08-2004, 05:03
"I'm not at liberty to specify exact numbers but it's at least a 5 digit figure."

Liar. There are no militias with numbers above 10,000, not individually. Maybe if you lump several together and pad your numbers, but otherwise I call bullshit.


International militia with chapters in many different nations. :D
Communist Mississippi
21-08-2004, 05:04
So you're a National Socialist, eh? You finally came out and said it. I had suspicions before..

And now I know you're lieing about the 5 digit thing.


I never said national socialism.


Third position can be fascism.

I am for National Fascism, because it is the only system that can stand fast against the NWO/ZOG/UN and smash them totally.
New Anthrus
21-08-2004, 05:07
I never said national socialism.


Third position can be fascism.

I am for National Fascism, because it is the only system that can stand fast against the NWO/ZOG/UN and smash them totally.
That has us becoming Nazi Germany: no freedom, no economic liberty, and the world hates us. It also means, and I'm sure you'd find this worse than the current government, a cult surrounding the leader, like Hitler and Mussolini had, and most recently, Kim Jong-Il has.
Unified West Africa
21-08-2004, 05:08
I was under the impression that economic and political fascism coupled with chauvinist, anti-European sentiment = National Socialism. What difference is there in practice between NS, and what you are talking about (fascism + JEWS SUCK) in theory and practice?
Unified West Africa
21-08-2004, 05:10
*sigh* When will the silly white people realize they by and large control the world?

Outsourcing doesn't just affect white people you know. it's systematically decimated the proletariat and the professional classes among ALL races, across the board. As for immigrant labor there's a strong current against it in government; if you want it to stop, don't invent conspiracies, oppose capitalists exploiting the labor of the weakest among us.
Communist Mississippi
21-08-2004, 05:12
That has us becoming Nazi Germany: no freedom, no economic liberty, and the world hates us. It also means, and I'm sure you'd find this worse than the current government, a cult surrounding the leader, like Hitler and Mussolini had, and most recently, Kim Jong-Il has.


The leader should personify the state, and his actions should be in the best interests of the people. A dictatorship is fine, as long as the dictator is okay.

Our current leader, the mason, George W Bush, can barely get out a single sentence without making an ass out of himself, so somebody like that as dictator = God help us all!



Kim Jong II would have been a good leader, but DRK is bankrupt and they cannot feed any appreciable amount of their population.

Politically, socially, and economically, Hitler and Mussolini were fine until they started foreign wars that ultimately led to their downfall.

Before Mussolini, Italy was in chaos, things were awful, and the Italian people loved him until they started losing the war in say mid-late 42 early 43 (Italy was in trouble by then)
It seems most Germans still supported Hitler until say early-mid 44.


Outside from their tendancy to get into wars that they cannot win, fascism does nothing wrong.
Von Witzleben
21-08-2004, 05:13
Militias should have rockets, WMD's and attack choppers.
Communist Mississippi
21-08-2004, 05:20
Militias should have rockets, WMD's and attack choppers.

Damn straight!
Mentholyptus
21-08-2004, 05:28
Communist Mississippi, you scare me. A lot. And your number of 10,000+? Bullshit. Utterly and completely, regardless of the transnational nature of your militia (assuming that's true as well).

Remember, Militias breed McVeighs.
New Anthrus
21-08-2004, 06:00
McVeigh was never a true militia man as such. He didn't have any loyality to any State militia. He was involved over a period of time with many radical anti-government groups, most of whom had no resemblance to the popular image of militias. He was alienated from his own goverment though - not just the government of the day but the way the government had evolved into such an all-powerful mutation of what the founding fathers intended.

I believe his original alienation from the present-day corrupt power structure of the United States came from his experiences as a serviceman in Iraq during Desert Storm. Murdering Iraqis for the sake of oil probably started to make him turn against his own govenment. Ruby Ridge, Waco etc made him even more angry.
It may have been more than that, however. There are rumors floating about now that McVeigh was an Iraqi mole in the army.
Mentholyptus
21-08-2004, 06:03
It may have been more than that, however. There are rumors floating about now that McVeigh was an Iraqi mole in the army.
We usually call those "conspiracy theories." They tend to be wrong.
HM Kaiser Wilhelm II
21-08-2004, 06:33
I am a member of an unorganized Constitutional militia, a legal entity under US Title Code. Now as a member of a bona fide militia, I am telling you frankly that there is no real "extremism" in the militias that I know of.

McVeigh and his "militia connections" are very stretchy. Every militiaman I know is absolutely appalled by McVeigh and any other terrorist scumbag that would hurt innocent people. That by itself violates what the militia stands for.

In the militia, it is my duty to protect the people of the United States of America. Indeed, as the militia was intended, it's the duty of every American to bear arms, or to serve in some other capacity, in the defense and preservation of a free state. Blowing up buildings, ranting about bizarre government conspiracies, and being racist (etc) is not our goal, is not our desire, and is against everything we stand for.

I am a right-leaning political moderate. A typical "conservative" by most standards. I have a real job and a family. Myself, and 99% of other militia members, are just ordinary law-abiding folks who feel compelled to do more than just vote, support our troops, and donate to politicians.

We have contacts with local law enforcement to assist in riots, in natural disasters, in fugitive searches, in controlled burns, etc. Our intention is to preserve and uphold the law, and to guarantee the safety of innocent people. Period. No political baggage. My particular militia won't accept you if you're a raging racist, or an anarchist government-hater.

We love our country, we assist our government, and we volunteer our time, money, and effort to help in any way we can. I've never committed a crime, never been arrested, never shot anybody (or even at anybody), I'm just the guy next door.

And you know what? We're awfully fortunate to live in such a country where we, as common citizens, can bear arms and actually maintain an armed militia. In almost every country, this isn't allowed, the governments of the world don't grant their citizens this privilege. In America, it is our Constitutional right, and I hope anyone who reads this will understand that "militia" isn't what the media and the Left has stereotyped us into being.
Josh Dollins
21-08-2004, 07:15
well if you mean like al sadr's bunch in iraq no. But a group of citizens looking to defend there neighborhood and lives and land etc. then sure I support that but not a bunch of guys running around hiding in churches and causing trouble. BUt defense sure.
Goed
21-08-2004, 07:20
well if you mean like al sadr's bunch in iraq no. But a group of citizens looking to defend there neighborhood and lives and land etc. then sure I support that but not a bunch of guys running around hiding in churches and causing trouble. BUt defense sure.

Actually, that brings up a good point.

What about militias in iraq? Surely they're allowed?
Bedou
21-08-2004, 07:24
I am physically fit male over 18 under 35, I am by defualt part of the national militia.
I support militiamen and their ideal of defending their country.
Garaj Mahal
21-08-2004, 07:31
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state

Why necessary? Plenty of countries with more freedom than the U.S. has don't have any need for militias. They're only good in places with right-wing dictatorships that need overthrowing.
Communist Mississippi
21-08-2004, 07:53
Actually, that brings up a good point.

What about militias in iraq? Surely they're allowed?

Iraqi militia is fighting the US ZOG army of occupation that is there to "Liberate" them. We here in the USA would fight if the UN raised armies to "liberate" us. The Iraqi militia are patriots just as the American colonists in 1776 were patriots. Fighting foreign enemies in their land...

America does not belong in Iraq, just as British did not belong in the 13 colonies (well after we told them to leave they didn't belong)


You fight for your homeland, that is expected. Would you rather the Iraqis roll-over and die?

How can we be liberating them when we don't know what they want?

A large number of Iraqis liked Saddam... I was 100% behind Saddam Hussein, he's an arab nationalist, I'm a white nationalist. It's good to support your own and attempt to advance their interests.

Afghanistan is a totally different story, that gets into terrorism, etc, and carrying out attacking against other nations.

Iraq never did anything illegal (Kuwait was really stealing oil and causing prices to drop) Iraq had every right to invade them.

I think Iraq is just a conventient target, like Serbia. In Iraq they made no games about race, "We're only for Arab sunnis!" in Serbia it was "We're only for orthodox Serbs!" It is the worst crime in this PC world, today, to be for your own people.


Iraq deserves saddam back.

Serbia deserves milosevic back.

I don't see anything wrong with what either of them have done... I mean the west claims they killed people, sure, what else can they claim. Iraq WMD search turned up nothing except a few old rusty shells, "MADE IN USA" "From Ronnie to Saddam"

They had nothing on Milosevic so why not "They're genociding!"

Bah!

Leave the world alone! The USA is not mr world policeman!
Goed
21-08-2004, 07:58
I am a member of an unorganized Constitutional militia, a legal entity under US Title Code. Now as a member of a bona fide militia, I am telling you frankly that there is no real "extremism" in the militias that I know of.

McVeigh and his "militia connections" are very stretchy. Every militiaman I know is absolutely appalled by McVeigh and any other terrorist scumbag that would hurt innocent people. That by itself violates what the militia stands for.

In the militia, it is my duty to protect the people of the United States of America. Indeed, as the militia was intended, it's the duty of every American to bear arms, or to serve in some other capacity, in the defense and preservation of a free state. Blowing up buildings, ranting about bizarre government conspiracies, and being racist (etc) is not our goal, is not our desire, and is against everything we stand for.

I am a right-leaning political moderate. A typical "conservative" by most standards. I have a real job and a family. Myself, and 99% of other militia members, are just ordinary law-abiding folks who feel compelled to do more than just vote, support our troops, and donate to politicians.

We have contacts with local law enforcement to assist in riots, in natural disasters, in fugitive searches, in controlled burns, etc. Our intention is to preserve and uphold the law, and to guarantee the safety of innocent people. Period. No political baggage. My particular militia won't accept you if you're a raging racist, or an anarchist government-hater.

We love our country, we assist our government, and we volunteer our time, money, and effort to help in any way we can. I've never committed a crime, never been arrested, never shot anybody (or even at anybody), I'm just the guy next door.

And you know what? We're awfully fortunate to live in such a country where we, as common citizens, can bear arms and actually maintain an armed militia. In almost every country, this isn't allowed, the governments of the world don't grant their citizens this privilege. In America, it is our Constitutional right, and I hope anyone who reads this will understand that "militia" isn't what the media and the Left has stereotyped us into being.

See, that's exactly what a militia is SUPPOSED to be.

Unfortunatly, there are other so called "militias" that seriously undermine the credibility of groups such as your own. Many use militias as an excuse to target minorities.
Communist Mississippi
21-08-2004, 08:08
McVeigh and his "militia connections" are very stretchy. Every militiaman I know is absolutely appalled by McVeigh and any other terrorist scumbag that would hurt innocent people. That by itself violates what the militia stands for.




My personal view is he was fighting the right war, but against the wrong people. Innocent yokels going about their daily business are the wrong target.

He should have been going for the ZOG machine, the New World Orderites. I mean he was mad about WACO, so you go after ATF HQ, not some federal building full of children and old folks there for social security reasons. I mean a few ATF Agents there... So, neutrals were there... What he did was wrong.

Had he gone after the FBI building or the ATF building or the CIA building, that would be a different story... But it's all a matter of opinion.

I am in no way advocating violence or attacks on anybody, or any government, or any building. I'm just stating my opinion is that what he did was wrong, had he done something else, it might have been okay.
Communist Mississippi
21-08-2004, 08:17
Communist Mississippi, you scare me. A lot. And your number of 10,000+? Bullshit. Utterly and completely, regardless of the transnational nature of your militia (assuming that's true as well).

Remember, Militias breed McVeighs.

Believe what you want. The liberals admit there are over 200,000 militia in the USA alone. :D

We're getting bigger, we're getting bigger, the UN invades, my finger's on the trigger. :D
Garaj Mahal
21-08-2004, 09:05
In what other time dimension could the UN *ever* invade the U.S? This is the first I've ever heard of such an insane idea. Are the militias on guard against the Bahamas too? The likelihood is about the same.

Y'all need to get your head checked over.
Garaj Mahal
21-08-2004, 09:13
I am in no way advocating violence or attacks on anybody

Your core Nazi beliefs are themselves an advocation of violence and death against 95% of our planet. Who was it that made you so full of hate and fucked you up so badly?
Communist Mississippi
21-08-2004, 09:29
Your core Nazi beliefs are themselves an advocation of violence and death against 95% of our planet. Who was it that made you so full of hate and fucked you up so badly?

By the way, whites are about 8-9% of the world. We used to be 33% back in the 1920s-1940s, but that was before feminism and such shattered the family as a viable social institution. Before "Pro-choice" started convincing white women that they weren't "Free and liberated" unless they aborted their unborn white babies, the future of the white race. The maternal instincts of most women are so strong they are willing to die for their children. As any good mother (or father) should be. But the brainwashing of the white masses was so great that it overcame this instinct, and turned otherwise healthy and normal white women, into zombies... They began aborting their babies, their race's future. A people that abort their future will soon find they've done just that... Aborted their future! They'll have nothing!


The liberal media is what made me, for portraying whites as the rulers of the world and the oppressors of all, when in actuality, little outside of Europe, North America, South Africa, New Zealand, and Australia is worth a damn.

For you liberals loving diversity, move to Africa for a few months, if you're still alive, come back and tell us how it went.


We're not born, we're made. And you made us; your kind made me what I am. It's all a reaction to the destruction of a culture and a people I am not willing to see destroyed (my people, my culture, my nation, my religion, my language)

I'm not willing to see the purity of white womanhood trampled on by armies of third world rapists.

I'm not willing to see the ideals of honor and virtue torn asunder by a Marxist-elitist movement of so-called "Working class" (Wealthy) Jews

I'm not willing to see the lies of egalitarianism and miscegenation spoon-fed to another generation of white children via the public school system.

I'm not willing to see rich Masonic CEOs lord it over their poor white laboring class, while children and wives of the workers are struggling to survive.

I'm not willing to see another 3 decades go by, and 30+ million more unborn white babies massacred in the worst genocide of all time. A genocide where you brainwash the victims into committing racial genocide by destroying their race's future.

I'm not willing to see a world where white men and white women are vilified and demonized for wanting to date, marry, and mate, only with each other.

I'm not willing to see a world where white women live in perpetual fear of attack by third world beasts.

I'm not willing to see another decade go by, of borders that exist only on maps, and the extent of their meaninglessness going unknown due to the Jewish stranglehold on the media.

I'm not willing to see 3,000+ years of the civilization and people that gave us Egypt, Greece, Rome, England, France, Holy Roman Empire, Byzantine Empire, vanish because they were swamped by the rising tide of color.

I'm not willing to see a world where white children have no future, other than to be used as scapegoats to unite failing non-whites behind the banner of anti-white hatred.

I'm not willing to see a world where someday they'll think of a reason why they need to borrow Mugabe's tactics for Zimbabwe, and apply them to the USA, and start seizing farms.

I'm not willing to see a world where life isn't worth living because starvation, corruption, and disease abound, because third world people have taken over and have proven yet again they are not only incapable of starting a civilization, they are incapable of maintaining one.


Because of that, you may call me whatever you like. I call myself, a man with direction, a man with a vision, a man who knows where he wants to be, where he wants his land and people, culture, religion, etc, to be, in say twenty years.

He wants a new Renaissance, not another dark ages (This time it could literally be the Dark ages)



We must move forward now, the objective of a world worth leaving to our grandchildren must remain always in our minds. We must move move forward now, and never look back, the way ahead is open... The door can be seen, we need only find the courage to open it and walk through. We know what we must do, we need only to do it.
Garaj Mahal
21-08-2004, 09:39
your kind made me what I am.

"My kind" didn't make the deluded stark raving lunatic who wrote that spew you copied/pasted just now.

You are really a sad creature, i feel sorry for you. Please get some help.

BTW I know lots of whites still making babies. Relax OK?
Keruvalia
21-08-2004, 10:49
I find members of militia groups tend to be people who couldn't hack it in the real military.

Oh ... and "Garaj Mahal" is a cool name. :D
Deranged Chinchillas
21-08-2004, 11:01
What's the legality of a militia in the terms of what most people are talking about? I'm guessing they're talking about a bunch of people training for war of their own accord. I'd think a bunch of people training for war would scare most communities half to death. Yes, target practice/weapons proficency(sp?) can be acheived at ranges but actual practice? Moving as a squad; actual training. Another thing; what kind of legal weapons can someone in a militia get? In California, you can't get anything useful by legal means. California laws are too strict but there are still federal regulations pertaining to other states. How's this all happening? I'm guessing some of you don't care about laws though...
Allanea
21-08-2004, 11:06
Let's see:

-They're racist
-They're capitalist
-They make anarchism look bad

How about no?


Most militias are not racist at all. Check your facts.
QahJoh
21-08-2004, 11:21
By the way, whites are about 8-9% of the world.

Boo-hoo. Want a cookie? Jews are 0.023%. Grow some damn skin.

I'm not willing to see the ideals of honor and virtue torn asunder by a Marxist-elitist movement of so-called "Working class" (Wealthy) Jews

Screw you. Honor and virtue are extremely important Jewish values, not that you'd know.

I'm not willing to see the lies of egalitarianism and miscegenation spoon-fed to another generation of white children via the public school system.

What are you going to do? Blow up all schools?

I'm not willing to see another 3 decades go by, and 30+ million more unborn white babies massacred in the worst genocide of all time. A genocide where you brainwash the victims into committing racial genocide by destroying their race's future.

The "victims" CHOOSE to get abortions. How is this anyone's "fault" but their own?

I'm not willing to see a world where white women live in perpetual fear of attack by third world beasts.

Perhaps you should start a neighborhood watch. It sounds like you might want to post some extra guards near the "Third-world Zoo".

I'm not willing to see another decade go by, of borders that exist only on maps, and the extent of their meaninglessness going unknown due to the Jewish stranglehold on the media.

O...K.?

I'm not willing to see 3,000+ years of the civilization and people that gave us Egypt, Greece, Rome, England, France, Holy Roman Empire, Byzantine Empire, vanish because they were swamped by the rising tide of color.

Have you checked a map lately? You do realize what continent Egypt's ON, right?

third world people have taken over and have proven yet again they are not only incapable of starting a civilization

You should really read more books.

Because of that, you may call me whatever you like.

Check. Will do.

He wants a new Renaissance, not another dark ages (This time it could literally be the Dark ages)

You DO realize the LAST Dark Ages was in "White, Christian" EUROPE, right?

The door can be seen, we need only find the courage to open it and walk through. We know what we must do, we need only to do it.

Anyone who follows you is more likely to walk into a wall than through a door.
Lesser-Sozy
21-08-2004, 11:51
I dont know about this Militia Movement, but generally, I am supporter of self-defence groups: the government is not the only one who deserves to be able to protect itself.
Allanea
21-08-2004, 11:59
I dont know about this Militia Movement, but generally, I am supporter of self-defence groups: the government is not the only one who deserves to be able to protect itself.

Right on.
Sskiss
21-08-2004, 12:11
Although not a US citizen, I feel it's everyones right to bear arms as needed. As long as these people are responsible gun owners, I have no problems with it.
Sskiss
21-08-2004, 12:22
The "victims" CHOOSE to get abortions. How is this anyone's "fault" but their own?

I really wonder about that. The abortion rate increased at the same time as the "womans lib" movement started in the sixties and seventies. It's more likely they "bought into" the whole thing. Choice only exists, if one possesses the ability to discriminate and critisize. The majority cannot do neither very well. In other words it becames fashionable, the "in thing" so to speak. And people being the blind mindless dolts that they are eat it all up like sheep eating their own shit at a feeding trough.

Have you checked a map lately? You do realize what continent Egypt's ON, right?

Yeah, so? By the way Carthage was also in Africa. What's your point? You do know that the Carthaginians were white, yes?

You DO realize the LAST Dark Ages was in "White, Christian" EUROPE, right?.

Not true, most histories now believe that the so called "dark ages" in Europe were not as dark as once thought.

The rest of you post was mainly taunts and Ad Hommin attacks.
Crabcake Baba Ganoush
21-08-2004, 13:28
Oh how I can’t wait until September 13.
:D
QahJoh
21-08-2004, 13:30
I really wonder about that. The abortion rate increased at the same time as the "womans lib" movement started in the sixties and seventies.

It also coincides with the legalization of abortion. That could have something to do with it, too.

It's more likely they "bought into" the whole thing. Choice only exists, if one possesses the ability to discriminate and critisize. The majority cannot do neither very well. In other words it becames fashionable, the "in thing" so to speak. And people being the blind mindless dolts that they are eat it all up like sheep eating their own shit at a feeding trough.

I find it a little hard to believe that millions of women had abortions because it was a "fad". That's not to say peer, family, and societal pressure aren't factors in the decision-making process, but to say it's purely feminist brainwashing seems a bit of a stretch.

Yeah, so? By the way Carthage was also in Africa. What's your point? You do know that the Carthaginians were white, yes?

Could you give me a source for that? Also, the Egyptian thing? Or are you not concurring with CM's claim that the Egyptians were white?

Not true, most histories now believe that the so called "dark ages" in Europe were not as dark as once thought.

And yet, tey're still referred to as the Dark Ages, so my point stands.

The rest of you post was mainly taunts and Ad Hommin attacks.

None of which I have any problem with. If someone makes a ridiculous statement, such as "white women are worried about being raped by 'Third-World Beasts'", they deserve to be ridiculed.
Conceptualists
21-08-2004, 13:41
What are you going to do? Blow up all schools?

Um, I don't think it is a good idea to give him ideas.

It could be construed as aiding and abetting. ;)
Sskiss
21-08-2004, 13:57
It also coincides with the legalization of abortion. That could have something to do with it, too.

Perhaps, but I'm against abortion unless the excuse to do so is rape or to save the mothers life.

I find it a little hard to believe that millions of women had abortions because it was a "fad". That's not to say peer, family, and societal pressure aren't factors in the decision-making process, but to say it's purely feminist brainwashing seems a bit of a stretch.

Well I don't. Fashion, fads and other forms of "social conditioning" have a very profound and powerful effect on the population.

"Monkey see, Monkey do"

Could you give me a source for that? Also, the Egyptian thing? Or are you not concurring with CM's claim that the Egyptians were white.

No, but It is known from Roman records of the time. Besides races are not limited or confined by geographic boundries. In other words, all because you live somewhere, that does not mean you are of that race. Using your logic, I can argue that arabs and jews are asians because geographically Isreal and most of the middle east are in Asia.

Furthermore, The Egyptians may have been white as well. Pictographs on temples, shrines and the like clearly show native Egyptians and another race then knows as "Nubians". The difference between them is clear, the Egyptians show far more caucasian features than the Nubians who are typically Black african. Analyzing Egyption skulls has confimed this evidence.

And yet, tey're still referred to as the Dark Ages, so my point stands.

No it doesn't, My point being that the so called "dark ages" is a misnomer, a falacy. Calling something, does not make it so.

None of which I have any problem with. If someone makes a ridiculous statement, such as "white women are worried about being raped by 'Third-World Beasts'", they deserve to be ridiculed.

Perhaps, but it weakens your arguement.
Allanea
21-08-2004, 13:59
Linky! Linky!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=350609
Enodscopia
21-08-2004, 14:50
I am not a member of one but it would be good if the government ever went wacko and started banning guns and nonsense like that so I think they are needed just incase.
Jeldred
21-08-2004, 16:29
I really wonder about that. The abortion rate increased at the same time as the "womans lib" movement started in the sixties and seventies. It's more likely they "bought into" the whole thing. Choice only exists, if one possesses the ability to discriminate and critisize. The majority cannot do neither very well. In other words it becames fashionable, the "in thing" so to speak. And people being the blind mindless dolts that they are eat it all up like sheep eating their own shit at a feeding trough.

I suppose the fact that abortions didn't become legal until the early 70s didn't have anything to do with it? Free choice only exists if you don't run the risk of prosecution for choosing one option (to say nothing of having to run the risk of a covert medical procedure). Honestly, if you think women get abortions because they're fashionable, you really need to meet some women.

Furthermore, The Egyptians may have been white as well. Pictographs on temples, shrines and the like clearly show native Egyptians and another race then knows as "Nubians". The difference between them is clear, the Egyptians show far more caucasian features than the Nubians who are typically Black african. Analyzing Egyption skulls has confimed this evidence.

No, it hasn't. Forensic skull and bone analysis can give at best a statistical indication of someone's ethnicity, but it's based as much on environment and diet as anything else. Egyptian skulls show a tendency towards North African features, like, for example, the Ethiopians and northern Sudanese. Egypt was at a major crossroads of civilisation, and had absorbed immigrants and invaders from Persia and Greece as well as from Nubia by the time the Romans got there.

There was a large Nubian population in Egypt, as well as in the Nubian Empire (a substantial civilisation in its own right) further south. They held positions ranging from farmers to shopkeepers to priests to generals to Pharaohs: the 25th Dynasty was descended from the Nubian Royal Family. Like modern-day Ugandans and south Sudanense, they tended to have darker skins than North Africans. Big deal. Please, enough of this 19th-century "all civilisations are white" rubbish. Next you'll be claiming that the Empires of Ghana, Kush and Axum were white, too.

On the issue of militias: I guess they can do what they want, within the law. If they break the law, or the law changes, then they'll have a problem. As for the militias of the type old Communist Mississippi claims to belong to (I wonder if their admissions policy involves phrenological examination?) -- well, I'm not in favour of letting crazy people have guns, but they're probably more of a danger to themselves than to anyone else.
Sanctaphrax
21-08-2004, 17:14
Militias should have rockets, WMD's and attack choppers.
i would then give the world about one week for survival before some dumbass militia guy aims a nuke on his ex's house and fires.
CM, all of your points so far have been complete BS. try and verify even one of them. a 10000 militia with people like you involved. no wonder the U.s is on high terror alert:mp5:
Von Witzleben
21-08-2004, 20:33
The militias also need government funding. Just scrape a few billion out of the war budget.
Letila
21-08-2004, 20:41
Furthermore, The Egyptians may have been white as well. Pictographs on temples, shrines and the like clearly show native Egyptians and another race then knows as "Nubians".

Those are drawings. I suppose you think anime characters, even ones clearly in Japan, are white simply because of how they were drawn. :headbang:
Von Witzleben
21-08-2004, 21:05
Yeah, so? By the way Carthage was also in Africa. What's your point? You do know that the Carthaginians were white, yes?
The Carthaginians originally came from the Mid East. Rougly were modernday Lebanon is located. So yeah, they were probably largely lighter skinned then let's say the inhabitants of Aksum. But I guess you meant with white European kind of white.
The Sword and Sheild
21-08-2004, 22:02
The militias also need government funding. Just scrape a few billion out of the war budget.

Isn't that the National Guard? In effect it is State Militias that receive government funding, they just changed the name at the turn of the century. And I still hate that name, typically when you say Guard it means the elite or legendary units (like Guards Armoured Division, or Imperial Guard), not downplaying the NG, I just don't like the name.
Communist Mississippi
21-08-2004, 22:05
Isn't that the National Guard? In effect it is State Militias that receive government funding, they just changed the name at the turn of the century. And I still hate that name, typically when you say Guard it means the elite or legendary units (like Guards Armoured Division, or Imperial Guard), not downplaying the NG, I just don't like the name.


The National Guard isn't worthy of the word "Guard" being in their name. They should be called National Defense Army, or National People's Army (nah, too communist)

How about the American Popular Army, Civil Defense Army... Something better than National Guard.
CSW
21-08-2004, 22:06
Isn't that the National Guard? In effect it is State Militias that receive government funding, they just changed the name at the turn of the century. And I still hate that name, typically when you say Guard it means the elite or legendary units (like Guards Armoured Division, or Imperial Guard), not downplaying the NG, I just don't like the name.
We all know how elite the Republican guard was :rolleyes:
The Sword and Sheild
21-08-2004, 22:10
No it doesn't, My point being that the so called "dark ages" is a misnomer, a falacy. Calling something, does not make it so.

It may not have been as dark as we once thought, but it still deserves it's title. The collapse of cities, and national governments, trade of information decreased to almost non-existent levels (people stopped traveling so much, what with all the different gov't's to go through). Except for the art of war, technology became almost stagnant, and the arts developed at an agonizingly slow pace. Are you sure you're not confusing the Dark Ages with the Middle Ages (They are different you know), most people tend to do so, and the Middle Ages are usually stereotyped in a Dark Ages fashion, which is not deserved, and appears almost like the Dark Ages compared to the Renaissance.
The Sword and Sheild
21-08-2004, 22:10
We all know how elite the Republican guard was :rolleyes:

Well, compared to the rest of the Iraqi Army, it was.
The Sword and Sheild
21-08-2004, 22:12
The National Guard isn't worthy of the word "Guard" being in their name. They should be called National Defense Army, or National People's Army (nah, too communist)

How about the American Popular Army, Civil Defense Army... Something better than National Guard.

How about, the Territorial Army, like Europe once had (France and the UK at least).
The Parthians
22-08-2004, 00:32
I'm no militia member, but I do own many guns and totally support militias. Let militias own M-1 Tanks, machineguns, mortars, and F-15s... militias need them

And what milita are you a member of CM? Is it some White-only group?
Sskiss
22-08-2004, 01:06
It may not have been as dark as we once thought, but it still deserves it's title. The collapse of cities, and national governments, trade of information decreased to almost non-existent levels (people stopped traveling so much, what with all the different gov't's to go through). Except for the art of war, technology became almost stagnant, and the arts developed at an agonizingly slow pace. Are you sure you're not confusing the Dark Ages with the Middle Ages (They are different you know), most people tend to do so, and the Middle Ages are usually stereotyped in a Dark Ages fashion, which is not deserved, and appears almost like the Dark Ages compared to the Renaissance.

No, I was not confusing the two. I guess it would depend on what professors you talk to then. The ones I spoke to claimed the so called dark ages were not all that dark. Even the experts differ in opinion it seems. As those in my field do, and know all to well.
Communist Mississippi
22-08-2004, 01:30
And what milita are you a member of CM? Is it some White-only group?


Yes, only White Christian heterosexual males are welcome in the militia. Well women are admitted but it varies on the unit leader I guess... My standing orders, well I cannot tell about that, it's secret. Let's just say men and women are welcomed in my militia... But I don't believe women should be in frontline combat units, well most women shouldn't. There are some women who can handle themselves in such situations though, it's okay then I guess.
CSW
22-08-2004, 01:41
I thought milita's weren't racist

:rolleyes:
QahJoh
22-08-2004, 09:05
I thought milita's weren't racist

:rolleyes:

Militias are simply groups of people. Some people are racist, some aren't. Some militias have a racist bent to them, and some don't. Not all militias are hostile to the government or right-wing or whatever.

It's like saying, "Are all soccer players racist"?
New Astrolia
22-08-2004, 09:12
How do you know that by militia the founding fathers didnt mean "An actual army", as in the Armed forces

Official state sanctioned forces. Like an army for every state. Not any old militia which any old person can join.
Communist Mississippi
22-08-2004, 14:35
Those are drawings. I suppose you think anime characters, even ones clearly in Japan, are white simply because of how they were drawn. :headbang:



Yes, and people in ancient times who wanted to be remembered, always drew themselves as people they were not.

People draw themselves as they want to be remembered. Anime is entertainment, not a self-portrait.
Almighty Kerenor
22-08-2004, 14:42
Anarchism is a lack of a government, a lack of central authority. If you want that, move to Somalia, then enjoy! You can have all the anarchy you want! Till your heart's content!

Why Somalia? Go to the PA! where the governemnt's locked in a building, people are shot in the streets by their neighbors more than by the occupying army, citizens are kiddnapped for no obvious reasons and anarchy above all.
Von Witzleben
22-08-2004, 14:42
Isn't that the National Guard?
I dunno. Are they?
And I still hate that name, typically when you say Guard it means the elite or legendary units (like Guards Armoured Division, or Imperial Guard).
It can also mean mall/parking lot security.
Jeldred
22-08-2004, 14:42
Yes, and people in ancient times who wanted to be remembered, always drew themselves as people they were not.

People draw themselves as they want to be remembered. Anime is entertainment, not a self-portrait.

So... you think that the ancient Egyptians wanted to be remembered as standing in profile?

There are no records of the ancient Egyptians making any discrimination about peoples' worth based on the colour of their skins. it really didn't seem to matter to them. Perhaps you could learn from their example.