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What do you think? Is suicide really worth it?

the only person who can answer that is the individual considering suicide. only they know the relative merits and costs of living their life, and only they are in a position to decide whether it should be ended.

Suicide is (usually), a permanent solution to a temporary problem. I don't think it's either moral or immoral, since it's the person's life and only they have the right to decide whether they live or die. Since they *want* to end their life, which is why they kill themselves, it's their own desire, and while it might be irrational, it's not immoral. In my opinion :)

If done out of hatred for the self, then yes. If done because life is unbarable, then no.

I think suicide is awfully selfish, because you are indulging yourself, often on a whim, and causing so much pain for others, relations, family, friends, etc.

What do you think? Is suicide really worth it?

Having attempted it twice, I'd say no.

Having attempted it twice, I'd say no.
Whoa, be careful man, If you dont mind me saying it, you might need some Prozac. Or Viagra :p

Whoa, be careful man, If you dont mind me saying it, you might need some Prozac. Or Viagra :p

I do take Zoloft. And it's nothing to joke about, so please try to be more serious. I appreciate the sense of humor, and a little comic relief is usually a good thing, but not for this sort of topic. No offense.

As someone who has lost someone close to them to suicide, it is rather selfish, and very brutal on the people who care about you. You may very well cuase someone else to go to those ends. Really all it does is end you pain and spread it to a lot of other people, somewhat immoral in my opinion.

As someone who has lost someone close to them to suicide, it is rather selfish, and very brutal on the people who care about you. You may very well cuase someone else to go to those ends. Really all it does is end you pain and spread it to a lot of other people, somewhat immoral in my opinion.

My thoughts exactly.

I think suicide is awfully selfish, because you are indulging yourself, often on a whim, and causing so much pain for others, relations, family, friends, etc.

They can't be a very good family or friends if they want you to continue to suffer just so they don't have to deal with your death. Both my parents are dead, and I miss them dearly. But I would never ask them to come back. They were both suffering a great deal when they died. Forcing them to live, no matter how happy it would have made me to have them around, would have been borderline torture.

As disturbed as it may sound, I'm glad they have moved on. Humans aren't immortal, nor invulnerable. There comes a point where the burden of existence becomes too heavy. Either because of old age, ill-health, or other reasons. I would never ask any human being to continue past that point for my sake.

I apologize if that seems harsh or preachy, but I feel very strongly on the matter. In my eyes every person is in control of their own life, and should have complete control over when it ends (with the exception of when the person is incapable of making that decision; a coma, for example. In that case I defer to the family).

I do take Zoloft. And it's nothing to joke about, so please try to be more serious. I appreciate the sense of humor, and a little comic relief is usually a good thing, but not for this sort of topic. No offense.
Sorry there.

Sorry there.

It's okay. ;)

few people who commit suicide are in a mental place where they CAN take other peoples feelings into consideration. and for most, if they get past the current problem, they have no desire for suicide. some people have chronic mental difficulties that lean them toward suicide.

they need some kind of intervention. its not moral or immoral, its needing to get out of a very bad place.

i do however consider it "moral" for a person with a terminal illness that will kill them within.... oh say 6 months... to decide the exact time of their own death. such people should be supported with the best quality of life available to them-- pain managment, spiritual advice, visits from friends and family. but if they decide that today is the day, they should be able to make that decision.

since y 'all are mostly fairly young.....

if you know someone who you think is seriously considering suicide, dont keep the secret. you cant help them. they need professional help. tell someone. make sure that person listens and believes you.

your friend will forgive you for it after he gets treatment and is in a better mental state.

but

better that he be alive and hate you than be dead and you be left wondering what you could have done.

I do take Zoloft. And it's nothing to joke about, so please try to be more serious. I appreciate the sense of humor, and a little comic relief is usually a good thing, but not for this sort of topic. No offense.

I take Zoloft too! How much? I take 75mg every morning with toast.

Suicide is completely up to the one who commits it. Christians think it is wrong, I believe they say this because in the begining, if you were going to die for your religion you should die with faith in it, not to take your life to reach heaven faster. It was a way to make it last, and the fear of going to hell permanently because you decided to take your life would weigh on any christian who was even thinking it to the point were they ultimately decide to live only to reach heaven, which is not moral. Telling people that its wrong, and living your life only to get into heaven, completely losing your faith, that is immoral.

Suicide is the choice to live through the pain or to end it all and see what the next life has, people these days think that they can classify what group of people committ suicide and say that the pain is easy to work out, but it is farthest from the truth. Those people who say that don't know how many things are causing distress, they only think about a major one, never the many small ones that lead to a breaking point.

I too have to take anti-depressants, and will do for the rest of my life. As for suicide being 'selfish', it may seem so to people who have either never suffered from severe depression or who don't know someone who does, but anyone who has lost a loved one to suicide knows better. The morality of taking ones own life is a spititual and religious ethic. If a persons religious beliefs manage to prevent them from suicide that may be good, it may not. It certainly does little for their state of mind.

Having attempted it twice, I'd say no.

You and I don't seem to agree on much--but I am glad you're still here.

As for my opinion on suicide, I do think suicide out of hatred for the self is immoral. However, I imagine if someone is severely imbalanced enough (chemically speaking), then I do believe that would be taken into account...after all, in some cases the person trying to commit suicide probably can't help his or her actions. Do you believe that is true, Roach-Busters, that not all suicides are in control of their actions? Having neither tried it nor felt a desire to, I don't know this for a fact.

So while I'd say that suicide is immoral on principle I am NOT about to play God. I suspect there are lots of factors that go into it that I can't possibly account for.

They can't be a very good family or friends if they want you to continue to suffer just so they don't have to deal with your death. Both my parents are dead, and I miss them dearly. But I would never ask them to come back. They were both suffering a great deal when they died. Forcing them to live, no matter how happy it would have made me to have them around, would have been borderline torture.

As disturbed as it may sound, I'm glad they have moved on. Humans aren't immortal, nor invulnerable. There comes a point where the burden of existence becomes too heavy. Either because of old age, ill-health, or other reasons. I would never ask any human being to continue past that point for my sake.

I apologize if that seems harsh or preachy, but I feel very strongly on the matter. In my eyes every person is in control of their own life, and should have complete control over when it ends (with the exception of when the person is incapable of making that decision; a coma, for example. In that case I defer to the family).

I agree with you, it is not selfish to take one's life if they are turly suffering, for those who lose loved ones to suicide, who are you to judge them selfish, maybe it is you. No one should be forced to live because another expects them to. I don't mean to be harsh to a previous poster who said they tried to committ it twice, if you didn't succeed, how would you know it was worth it? You might've given in to the feeling that people around you would suffer. I myself find that the only thing restraining me from it is my pride and my faithlessness in what may come of me after death. There are people who care about me in this world, but the pain of this world is too great to be expected to bare. Why should I be forced to go through life with the fact that I was abused, neglected, and mistreated? I don't feel that this world is good enough to live through if I know people who instigate these feelings for pleasure will live their lives happy that they can cause pain within a person.

You and I don't seem to agree on much--but I am glad you're still here.

Thanks! That's very nice of you. You're a kind person. :)

I have thought about it, but that stupid little spark of optimism inside me keeps telling me to wait and see what the future will bring... so... yeah... no attempts, if I tried, I'd be dead, there'd be no failures.

Anyways, I've talked to some people that are very depressed (I'm not exactly at the pinnacle of happiness either, but there are others who are worse off I suppose), and seriously, while since they are my friends I wouldn't be very happy if I wouldn't be able to talk to them again so long that I live, I'd rather have them die than see them suffer every day for the rest of their life.

I agree with whoever above me said that it would be very selfish of a person's friends and family to wish said person to suffer extreme pain, stress, and/or depression everyday of their life just so they could get to talk to and see that person....

I think some people seriously don't understand how much stress, how much pain and how much depression someone can go through... and if someone is really in that situation, I think suicide would be a fine alternative (although personally I think if that happened to me I'd still rather sacrifice my life doing something useful rather than just sticking a knife in my chest in a basement somewhere).

Then of course there are all those retards who say they attempt suicide and crap for attention... those people are morons.

I take Zoloft too! How much? I take 75mg every morning with toast.

150 mg

Fortunately sometimes those retards actually succeed when they are attempting it for attention. But I'm not advocating it...::Hides giant poster board::

Frankly, moral considerations are the least on my mind of any when I consider the impact of suicide. It is a permanent salve on a temporary ache. It's the end of one person's pain and the start of a world of pain for those who care about the person who committed suicide.

I have had people close to me who have lost people to suicide (one who lost his father when he jumped off a bridge in Beaverton, OR) and it is such a horrible feeling. Even if someone I care about tells me about a time they considered it or even thought about going through with it, it really bothers me.

since y 'all are mostly fairly young.....

if you know someone who you think is seriously considering suicide, dont keep the secret. you cant help them. they need professional help. tell someone. make sure that person listens and believes you.

your friend will forgive you for it after he gets treatment and is in a better mental state.

but

better that he be alive and hate you than be dead and you be left wondering what you could have done.

BINGO!

PLEASE, if someone confides in you that they are even thinking about it, you owe it to them to contact a professional. Look up a suicide hotline in your area. You can NOT keep that secret whatever you do.

I think of someone telling you they're thinking about suicide as a call for help and a way of saying they don't want to die, but don't take any chances.

Frankly, moral considerations are the least on my mind of any when I consider the impact of suicide. It is a permanent salve on a temporary ache. It's the end of one person's pain and the start of a world of pain for those who care about the person who committed suicide.

I have had people close to me who have lost people to suicide (one who lost his father when he jumped off a bridge in Beaverton, OR) and it is such a horrible feeling. Even if someone I care about tells me about a time they considered it or even thought about going through with it, it really bothers me.
It's not always a temporary ache which suicide salves, its been many years since I first considered suicide, frankly I haven't stopped thinking about what would happen. I still suffer the pains of which first made me consider it, only this time I have more reasons I consider it.

I think of someone telling you they're thinking about suicide as a call for help and a way of saying they don't want to die, but don't take any chances.

That's correct.

Thanks! That's very nice of you. You're a kind person. :)

I don't like the idea of people suffering, especially the kind of suffering that comes from attempting suicide. I've heard that many people who try it feel terrible fear and regret after they inflict harm on themselves, and that's GOT to be just about the most awful feeling in the world.

The way I think of my own life, anyway, is that every moment I continue to live is a moment where my purpose is continued. When my purpose to live ends, I believe I will die without any intervention of my own (I had a dream that suggested that to me, although I don't want to share the particulars)...but I honestly don't consider myself capable of knowing for myself when that point is. How can I know what might happen tomorrow, whose life I might need to touch in a certain way? There's just about an infinite number of possibilities. That's something I hope people will bear in mind even when they're in a bad situation.

BINGO!

PLEASE, if someone confides in you that they are even thinking about it, you owe it to them to contact a professional. Look up a suicide hotline in your area. You can NOT keep that secret whatever you do.

I think of someone telling you they're thinking about suicide as a call for help and a way of saying they don't want to die, but don't take any chances.


Despite people being friendly, no one who committs suicide didn't want to die. They need attention and therapy, but they are probably not going to committ suicide, and if they do, they weren't clearly thinking when they came up with the notion that that wanted to committ suicide. Sure it's a sign, but in this day and age it's too obvious, people don't go telling and confiding in anyone that they are going to commit suicide, unless they don't really want to do it. People are confused about what they want to do and what they have to, a friend doesn't have to tell anyone about their friend wanting to committ suicide, they can, or they may change the mind of the one considering suicide by giving them attention and being a true friend, respecting the wishes of their friend. I don't think focus on a person will help them, no more as it will hurt them, if they truly want to committ suicide. Mental hospitals will only treat a person with the utmost indignity, I'd rather suffer the sorrow of losing all of my friends to suicide then force them to live the indignity that these institutions provide.

since y 'all are mostly fairly young.....

if you know someone who you think is seriously considering suicide, dont keep the secret. you cant help them. they need professional help. tell someone. make sure that person listens and believes you.

your friend will forgive you for it after he gets treatment and is in a better mental state.

but

better that he be alive and hate you than be dead and you be left wondering what you could have done.

I have to disagree. If your friend trusts you to not go off and blab about what they tell you, your word is worth nothing and you do nothing but prove yourself to be untrustworthy if you would break that (if they just told you out of the blue without any sort of hint they don't want you telling anyone, then that's different).

You assume that anyone who wants to commit suicide does so because there is something wrong with their brain or something, you have to realize this isn't true. There are those whose lives simply are so horrible, and no matter how much "professional" help you get for them, those things wrong with their life will still be there.

Better that he's dead and better off than in life than you having some shallow feeling of self-accomplishment because you enjoy interfering with people's personal decisions.

PLEASE, if someone confides in you that they are even thinking about it, you owe it to them to contact a professional. Look up a suicide hotline in your area. You can NOT keep that secret whatever you do.

I think of someone telling you they're thinking about suicide as a call for help and a way of saying they don't want to die, but don't take any chances.

I would like to add to this, in case for whatever reason you can't link that person up with a professional at the time, do your best to stay very matter-of-fact. There are some REALLY intense emotions someone suicidal is going through and if they get even the slightest idea that you look down on them or despise them for those feelings, that will make matters worse.

I had to talk someone out of suicide online, and had no way to get them in touch with a professional because they were in another country. All I could do was to just BE THERE and listen. I don't know if what I did specifically can possibly help anybody else that gets into that kind of situation, but what I did was I showed this person that I valued them. Then after I got that across, I even made him laugh a bit. The laughter really seemed to help him, and eventually he came out of the mood. If you do this be VERY careful with the sort of humor you use, of course (I think in my case I made fun of MYSELF and my own missteps in life). This person has continued to live, for several months since then, and so far has not threatened to do it again.

Like I said, I know what I did is not going to work for everybody. If anybody else knows FROM EXPERIENCE anything about how to help someone if you're stuck in a situation like mine (things to say, and so on), I think it would be a good thing to share it...keeping the suicidal person anonymous, of course.

Frankly, moral considerations are the least on my mind of any when I consider the impact of suicide. It is a permanent salve on a temporary ache. It's the end of one person's pain and the start of a world of pain for those who care about the person who committed suicide.

I have had people close to me who have lost people to suicide (one who lost his father when he jumped off a bridge in Beaverton, OR) and it is such a horrible feeling. Even if someone I care about tells me about a time they considered it or even thought about going through with it, it really bothers me.

It's not always a temporary ache which suicide salves, its been many years since I first considered suicide, frankly I haven't stopped thinking about what would happen. I still suffer the pains of which first made me consider it, only this time I have more reasons I consider it.


I agree with romanticizing.... ive been thinking of it for the last 10 years now, i would hardly call it a solution to a temporary problem, but a permanenent one. i guess.. for a temporary issue, then yes, i would have more issue.. something that would go away quickly.. but for something that has been with you most of your life, and will be with you for the entire of the rest.. no.. id say its perfectly acceptable.. i just have two unmet conditions before i can follow through.. and those i probly never will meet even though my friends all say i have the deathwish from hell.

I guess it's up to the person wanting to kill themselves...

I am on torn on this one

1 side is my belief that a person has a right to decide their own life … or lack thereof

2 is the fact that like was stated … a permanent solution to a temporary problem (usual)

I think that it should be allowed BUT with extensive counseling beforehand (kind of my opinion on abortion … please don’t start an argument about abortion … but they are similar) should be allowed but with a lot of professional help before hand

As someone who has lost someone close to them to suicide, it is rather selfish, and very brutal on the people who care about you. You may very well cuase someone else to go to those ends. Really all it does is end you pain and spread it to a lot of other people, somewhat immoral in my opinion.

I agree, that is the best way to describe it

What do you think? Is suicide really worth it?
Since morals are cultural the nso is the relative morality of suicide.
I see no inherant immorality of doing yourself in.
However being raised an American I have an over developed sense of SELF I value my life as an individual greatly, far beyond anything I can even begin to describe.
I only value my childrens lives more, so I wouldnt kill my self, though the chance to rest might be nice.

I;m a christian but I do not believe one who commits suicide burns in hell etc. I do however believe it is wrong and never is the right choice to make etc.

I feel that suicide is the right thing to do under the right circumstances. Granted, I feel that 99% of suicides don't fall under that category. Personally, the "pure" thought of suicide isn't so bad - when my time comes, it seems better to go by my own hand than by another's... Of course, life's never that simple.

Most respectful suicides, in my opinion, have died for some sort of cause. Religious martyrs in early Christianity come to mind, as well as Christ himself. Also, Socrates committed suicide in definance of democracy (which he considered mob rule). These deaths were not caused by a temporary problem - their deaths reflected the total devotion they had in what they believed in. To me, that's worth respecting.

What do you think? Is suicide really worth it?

Only if you vote Nader.

Anyway, I've already seen this asked in a religious survey I helped with a while back. One of the questions was "What happens to people who commit suicide?"

General concensus, by represented religions, came out as such:

Assemblies of God
The destiny of those who commit suicide is left up to God.

Baha'i Faith
Suicide is forbidden and those who commit this action will no doubt regret it in
the afterlife.

Baptist
They can go to heaven if they have established a relationship of forgiveness with God in this life and ask for forgiveness for this final sin.

Buddhism
Anyone who dies in a distressed mental state is more likely to have an unfortunate rebirth.

Churches of Christ
It is a violation of God’s desires to commit suicide, but it is generally thought
that God may show mercy to suicides as to others who violate His way.

The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints
It would depend on the circumstances. Christ in all things is the only judge.

HaMessianic Christian
They have violated God’s gift of life and are most likely punished forever.

Hindu
Suicide is a heinous sin. However, the scriptures enjoin that there is no harm
in giving up one’s body after obtaining Self-Knowledge. In some cases, Hindu
lawgivers recommend suicide as a penance for extremely vile crimes.

Islam
The Qur’an itself contains no passages that can unequivocally be interpreted as prohibiting suicide.

Judaism
For most of Jewish history, suicide was a major offense, the punishment for which was denial of a normal burial and mourning. In modern times, it has become acknowledged that suicide is often the result of mental imbalance, so the stringency of the burial rule has been relaxed.

Lutherans
Lutherans generally regard suicide as result of illness rather than as a freely chosen act for which there is moral accountability.

Presbyterianism
One who commits suicide is not judged by that act but rather by the overall faith that prevailed in their life.

Roman Catholicism
Suicide is now generally attributed to unbearable stress rather than rejection of God. Victims are not refused normal Christian burial or absolution.

Seventh-Day Adventist
Judgment is left to a loving God.

Taoism
It depends on the circumstances. An honorable suicide is better than a dishonorable life, but a wasted life ending in dishonorable suicide can make one’s journey through the purgative state longer.

Unitarian Universalism
We should offer love and compassion to victims of suicide.

United Methodist
Suicide is not an unforgivable sin. God is the final judge in such matters.

Wicca
Same as with anyone who dies.

Witchcraft
There is no majority stance on suicide among the witch community.

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I have to disagree. If your friend trusts you to not go off and blab about what they tell you, your word is worth nothing and you do nothing but prove yourself to be untrustworthy if you would break that (if they just told you out of the blue without any sort of hint they don't want you telling anyone, then that's different).

You assume that anyone who wants to commit suicide does so because there is something wrong with their brain or something, you have to realize this isn't true. There are those whose lives simply are so horrible, and no matter how much "professional" help you get for them, those things wrong with their life will still be there.

Better that he's dead and better off than in life than you having some shallow feeling of self-accomplishment because you enjoy interfering with people's personal decisions.

I had known about my friend's problems for about 5 months, including once when she was on the edge, and I believed I had talked her down, I was far to absorbed in my own image of my self as the great comforter and friend, and I was too afraid to tell anyone, becuase I felt I would break her trust and lose her as a friend.

As my earlier post stated, this was a greivous error, one which haunts me still to this day, had I told someone, I have little doubt she would still be alive today. I have never forgiven myself for this (and rightfully never should), and was the major cause of my own problems that occurred shortly after.

I refuse to believe being dead is better than life, life has it's downturns, and it is never permanent. For the majority of suicidal people, the last thoughts they have are a burning need to continue to live, hardly sounds like someone who death is the answer for.

For the majority of suicidal people, the last thoughts they have are a burning need to continue to live, hardly sounds like someone who death is the answer for.

Um, not to start a flame war here, but you cannot know what someone's 'last thought' is. It's like people claiming they knew what someone was dreaming about when the person died in their sleep. Their last thoughts go with them into death. People who attempt suicide and then don't aren't counted, as their 'last thoughts' of not wanting to die most likely are related to them *not* dying.

Um, not to start a flame war here, but you cannot know what someone's 'last thought' is. It's like people claiming they knew what someone was dreaming about when the person died in their sleep. Their last thoughts go with them into death. People who attempt suicide and then don't aren't counted, as their 'last thoughts' of not wanting to die most likely are related to them *not* dying.


Ok, it is coming from people who have attempted suicide, but survived, since it is true, you cannot know what the last thing that goes through someone's mind is if they die. However, usually they don't know they aren't going to die, swallowing a lot of pills doesn't always kill you, but you thought it would in the first place. So it might be, or it might not be, and even if it is, it might not be what goes through everyone's mind.

Suicide is very immoral. It's well-known that when one member of a family commits suicide, the resulting depression in the rest of the family can claim another life.

My father typeset an order of service for a funeral, and it turns out that the deceased had committed suicide shortly after her son's suicide. Very very sad.

Best way to stop someone from committing suicide: Buy them a holiday.

Okay, so maybe I just made that up. But a holiday could take them away from their problems and they might enjoy it enough to decide to live perminantly. I suppose it would be worth a try if it was the last course of action remaining.

Yes, suicide is moral, only when accompanied by a properly reviewed thesis statement. Come on! If you're going to committ suicide, at least leave a damn note explaining why you did it, and that's the only con I have against suiciders...other than that, if you want to kill yourself, be my guest. Sometimes a person can't be helped, whether it's by their own hand or friends and family, or even in that case, there may be no one. I guess if you don't believe in anything, then there really is no point to life.

Just leave a note on the way out.

Suicide is usually endemic of a deep seated mental disturbance - and in that regard alone, is neither moral nor amoral. Generally speaking, it is only godsquadders that assign any sort of morality to it...

I disagree. Everyone goes through dark periods in life, and I strongly suspect that a lot of people have at least *thought* about it, even if they never tried it. Furthermore, it's entirely possible to commit suicide after some horrible event occurs in your life, even if you're a normally happy person. It isn't always (or, IMHO, often) a sign of mental disturbance.
As for morality - well, I don't think it's *wrong.* I think it's an individual choice; people have the right to die when they want to, and forcing them to continue living is wrong. A lot of people on this thread have mentioned the fact that it's a selfish act, that it has horrible effects on family members, etc. Well, yeah it's selfish. But there comes a point when you have to stop living for other people and start living for yourself - and, if that means dying, so be it. It's *your* life, not your family's.

You don't think that "dark periods" in peoples lives are a form of mental disturbance? It's called clinical depression...although, I DO agree with most of your other points...

Its very difficult for me to form an answer to this one for various reasons, but I'd be very hard pushed to judge anyone going through so much mental anguish that they wanted to cease existing.

I'm not so much concerned with the tweenage trend for someone claiming they're about to die online for attention (because it rarely happens), but people who live year after year with no change and no real help for their state of mind.

Sometimes people have to be 'selfish'.
I wish everyone could be saved from themselves and their lives, but it would be naive of me to think so...

Best way to stop someone from committing suicide: Buy them a holiday.

Okay, so maybe I just made that up. But a holiday could take them away from their problems and they might enjoy it enough to decide to live perminantly. I suppose it would be worth a try if it was the last course of action remaining.

lol
holidays are the time of life i hate the /most/. way too much time to think about how horrible everything is

If done out of hatred for the self, then yes. If done because life is unbarable, then no.

What is hatred of self was making life unbearable?

What is hatred of self was making life unbearable?
YOu mean how is?
Basically I think they don't like how they act, think, or talk but they don't know what to do.
Rather than get Professional help decide to leave this world ala Suicide.

If done because life is unbearable, then no.
Hatred of self makes ones life unbearable...
And all things can get better.
Even the Tao says suicide is bad. Dishonor makes limbo worse.

I have to disagree. If your friend trusts you to not go off and blab about what they tell you, your word is worth nothing and you do nothing but prove yourself to be untrustworthy if you would break that (if they just told you out of the blue without any sort of hint they don't want you telling anyone, then that's different).

You assume that anyone who wants to commit suicide does so because there is something wrong with their brain or something, you have to realize this isn't true. There are those whose lives simply are so horrible, and no matter how much "professional" help you get for them, those things wrong with their life will still be there.

Better that he's dead and better off than in life than you having some shallow feeling of self-accomplishment because you enjoy interfering with people's personal decisions.

but that is not how you will feel.

you will be utterly devastated. you will suffer crushing guilt for the rest of your life. you will be 70 years old and still suffer wondering what you could have done

and you would have done the wrong thing.

people dont kill themselves because there is something wrong with their lives. take a look around. people live horrible lives. some live in grinding poverty, some have horrible diseases, some live out of shopping carts, some people are being hunted down to be exterminated, some are starving to death while watching their children die around them. THEY DONT COMMIT SUICIDE

what makes the difference?

well i dont know, but i DO know that the majority of suicidal people can be helped. you dont end up being forced to live a life of misery. you end up satisfied with the life you are living. some people end up actually happy.

some few people have a depression so severe that it doesnt respond to treatment. i guess i cant really fault them for the decision to stop living a life of unrelievable misery. but if you havent sought and tried professional help you are being premature in your assumption that suicide is your only solution.

start at your local mental health center. they have councillors who are experts in this. they know stuff. they wont lock you up; they will work with you to find a solution.

before you decide to devaste everyone you know, give treatment a try. it has a good chance of working.

but that is not how you will feel.

you will be utterly devastated. you will suffer crushing guilt for the rest of your life. you will be 70 years old and still suffer wondering what you could have done

and you would have done the wrong thing.

people dont kill themselves because there is something wrong with their lives. take a look around. people live horrible lives. some live in grinding poverty, some have horrible diseases, some live out of shopping carts, some people are being hunted down to be exterminated, some are starving to death while watching their children die around them. THEY DONT COMMIT SUICIDE

what makes the difference?

well i dont know, but i DO know that the majority of suicidal people can be helped. you dont end up being forced to live a life of misery. you end up satisfied with the life you are living. some people end up actually happy.

some few people have a depression so severe that it doesnt respond to treatment. i guess i cant really fault them for the decision to stop living a life of unrelievable misery. but if you havent sought and tried professional help you are being premature in your assumption that suicide is your only solution.

start at your local mental health center. they have councillors who are experts in this. they know stuff. they wont lock you up; they will work with you to find a solution.

before you decide to devaste everyone you know, give treatment a try. it has a good chance of working.

The difference.. hmm, life lessons, strength of will and personality. Im not sure.. faith in something..

and.. as one therapyst told me.. sometimes people fall through the cracks and cant get help no matter how much you tried. uness you have no job, are rich, or have health insurance.. its pretty much a gaurantee your not getting help.