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Jus a link....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3584242.stm

Islam breeds ignorance.

Islam breeds ignorance.

Oh, and you were bitching about the ACLU's lack of religious tolerance? ;)

I don't care if the Iraqi athletes don't like Bush or the US. If they win a medal, noone could be happier than me. Anything which can create a sense of national identity back home in Iraq and help stop the fighting is good by me. The sooner the insurgents stop blowing up their fellow Iraqis, the sooner we can leave.

I can't believe these comments...

"Islam breeds ignorance"

Islam, wiccanwitch? How about Wicca? A completely BS religion invented by James Gardner and that Egyptologist who was discovered to be a sham? (What was her name?) If you weren't 19 years old you'd know the reality of your own faith... of course there have been religions SIMILAR to it, but what you follow & practice today is as much the "real" nature of primitive faith as modern Christianity is really Islam. I.E.--they have nothing in common.

Hey--if you don't like it, just chant until my "Karmic destiny" catches up with me....

Next--

"their fellow Iraqis"
"so we can leave"

Here's a clue--one, they are NOT killing their "fellow iraqis" they are killing Shi'ites, Sunnis, Ba'athists, Kurds, Christian Iraqis, Jews, Mendaens, and Bhaians.

Iraqis do not see their nation as being a nation--they each see it as being their own groups nation, and we are talking about a nation that is only about SEVENTY FIVE YEARS OLD.

That's a long time to make love & good feelings with your neighbor... especially when you were formed under inauspicious circumstances at the end of the first World War and the British tried to make you playthings.

Pro-Iraqi? Hardly. They are anti-manipulation.

Now, don't get me wrong--I LOVE the British, but here we go:

"For in Palestine we do not propose even to go through the form of consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants of the country, though the American (King-Crane) commission has been going through the form of asking what they are. The four great powers are committed to Zionism and Zionism, be it right or wrong, good or bad, is rooted in age-long tradition, in present needs, in future hopes, of far profounder import than the desires and prejudices of the 700,000 Arabs who now inhabit that ancient land."

Balfour, the British Foreign Secretary who proposed creating a "Jewish state" in Palestine, & promisiing to not "opress" the new minorities.

Wiccanwitch is 19? Christ, I'm younger and I doubt I'm as daft. That is of course, "she" isn't someone masquerading.

Wicca is a religious belief, like any other, it's age really has naff all to do with it *shrugs* Insulting it isnt going to get anywhere good. Read a set of articles by my friend Adrien Bott called "The Great Wicca Hoax", www.whitedragon.co.uk. Interesting analysis.

You're partially right about the Iraq situation, but you have to remember there is a very large Shi'a majority - most areas are mainly Shi'a, so the insurgents in many cases are killing "normal" Iraqis. That's my two cents, anyway.

It's a good point :) But even if they are all Shi'ia, who says they identify as brothers? This is such a young nation, the Shi'ia who helps the American who isn't going home is the enemy. (I'm not saying I feel that way--that is the sentiment.)

I'm sorry to insult wiccan to anyone who is a sincere practioner--I think every religion is fine, that was really more of a sarcastic response to "Islam is for morons."

I'm not a muslim or follower of Islam--but the religion certainly has more validity on the international stage than Wicca......

I'll check out that link, I really appreciate it!!!

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Hey, I can't find the article... just a martial arts school. That's a good link too though :)

Islam breeds ignorance.

Wiccanwitch, did you know that George W. Bush does not consider Wicca a religion?

Yeah, this is laughable...

"One accused the US leader of committing "many crimes", and another said he would be fighting US troops if not for Athens."

Yeah, um, I'd really like to be in my homeland defending my homeland from those terrible Americans, but I have to play soccer so I can't. And, um, if we don't win, I know I don't have to worry about my feet being cut off by Uday Hussein, but America's bad anyway.

too busy playing soccer to fight the terrible Americans? hahahahahah ...

Besides, there's like 40 people on their team and two or three have a beef, big deal.

Wiccanwitch, did you know that George W. Bush does not consider Wicca a religion?

Liar!

http://www.whitedragon.org.uk/articles/hoax.htm

http://www.whitedragon.org.uk/articles/wicchoax.php

Those are the two articles, entitled "The Great Wicca Hoax"...

enjoy ;)

Liar!

http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/bushwicca.htm

:D

On a tangent note, I would like to point out that Bush's spokesman makes a good point. The body count in Iraq is currently between 11.6k and 13.6k. That still does leave 25 million who are free. Also, the players on that football team obviously would have had greater freedom and more priviledges under Saddam Hussein's rule, since they would have been representing Iraq for the world. Saddam would have tried to make sure they were in perfect condition. Therefore, it makes sense that they would be more hostile to the American occupation.

Anyway, back to my tangent note on the body count in Iraq. This is a sirect quote from a website that keeps track of the count.

This database includes up to 7,350 deaths which resulted from coalition military action during the "major-combat" phase prior to May 1st 2003. In the current occupation phase the database includes all deaths which the Occupying Authority has a binding responsibility to prevent under the Geneva Conventions and Hague Regulations. This includes civilian deaths resulting from the breakdown in law and order, and deaths due to inadequate health care or sanitation.

Note that last sentence. Deaths resulting from breakdowns in law and order. In other words, terrorisr attacks and riots. Also, inadequate health and sanitation, a condition which was present BEFORE America entered Iraq. However, they are also being blamed on America. Also, there were only about 7,000 deaths during what was termed the "major-combat" phase. Those numbers are extremely low, as compared to any other war America has been involved in. That's all I want to point out, that as that guy said, 25 million people are free, and with a minimum of casualties. Still people dying, but at least it is less than could ever have been expected.

Liar!

Maybe you should learn what you're talking about before you speak.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_pres.htm
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=9708
http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/shb/beck_19_2.htm

Actually, that website religioustolerance.org states directly that Bush dodged the question. And I quote:

" In a way, Governor Bush dodged the question as did Vice President Gore: when asked about the religion of Wicca, he responded with a comment about Witchcraft. One of the 17 or so unrelated activities called Witchcraft is Wicca, but most varieties of Witchcraft are unrelated to Wicca. In fact, as Governor Bush correctly says, most " Witchcrafts" are not religions at all."

So, they even AGREE that "witchcrafts" are not religions. Since that is the case, then what does it matter if Bush endorses it or not? If you think it IS a religion, then he isn't saying anything about it. If you think it IS witchcraft, then he is right. Therefore, ipso facto, political double-talk triumphs once again by proving that you CAN play to both sides.

Hades proves to be a slippery fish

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Bush responded to a question about Wicca using the term witchcraft. This does not mean he did not answer the question regarding Wicca, only that he uses the terms Wicca and witchcraft interchangably.

For example, if someone asked me if I used Kleenex, and I answered "I really don't like facial tissues at all", I would still be answering the question regarding Kleenex, even though my answer did not mention Kleenex specifically.

Here is the exact quote, which makes this point moot as he specifies Wicca in the next sentence.

President Bush, when running for office, stated, "I do not think that witchcraft is a religion, and I hope the military would rethink its decision to recognize Wicca as a religion."

But maybe I consider Kleenex to be toilet paper?

But maybe I consider Kleenex to be toilet paper?

Only if you shit out of your face.

Man, that was low.

Here is the exact quote, which makes this point moot as he specifies Wicca in the next sentence.

President Bush, when running for office, stated, "I do not think that witchcraft is a religion, and I hope the military would rethink its decision to recognize Wicca as a religion."

In case you missed the edit.

Nice one Feeky :) way to keep that terrible Hades honest!

Hades--are you aware how cosmopolitan Iraq was before our FIRST invasion?


Hmmmmm :)