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According to the report, it is for illegal coordination with the Republican Nat'l Committee.

Finally Kerry is really fighting back. Took him long enough. Democrats are adapting way too slowly of this hijacking of the campaing by corrupt Republicans.

Ha! There's Gonna Be Mud Flung Tonight, Kiddies!!!!

According to the report, it is for illegal coordination with the Republican Nat'l Committee.

Finally Kerry is really fighting back. Took him long enough. Democrats are adapting way too slowly of this hijacking of the campaing by corrupt Republicans.



SAD! Just another attempt by Liberals to hide the truth about Kerry! Bush should sue MoveOn.Org because they are doing things worse!



BUSH IN '04!

According to the report, it is for illegal coordination with the Republican Nat'l Committee.

Finally Kerry is really fighting back. Took him long enough. Democrats are adapting way too slowly of this hijacking of the campaing by corrupt Republicans.
Oh, mean old corrupt republicans. Wasnt John Kerry the one who wants to repeal laws on frivolous lawsuits?

Er, where did you hear this? It's not on CNN, Reuters or BBC.

Oh, mean old corrupt republicans. Wasnt John Kerry the one who wants to repeal laws on frivolous lawsuits?


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SAD! Just another attempt by Liberals to hide the truth about Kerry! Bush should sue MoveOn.Org because they are doing things worse!



BUSH IN '04!

Best be careful Wiccan Witch, for if John Ashcroft has his way... well, let's just say he wouldn't care for your (presumed) religion too much.

I wonder if this will be settled by Nov. 2nd. In any case, it'd be interesting to hear the verdict.

Best be careful Wiccan Witch, for if John Ashcroft has his way... well, let's just say he wouldn't care for your (presumed) religion too much.

Nah, WW doesn't have to worry about that. Ashcroft has already stated that Wicca isn't a "real" religion.

Best be careful Wiccan Witch, for if John Ashcroft has his way... well, let's just say he wouldn't care for your (presumed) religion too much.



Republicans are not the ones who hate Religion, Thats Democrats. Under a Liberal admin I could be thrown in Jail for having any religion at all.

Nah, WW doesn't have to worry about that. Ashcroft has already stated that Wicca isn't a "real" religion.


:rolleyes:

and I thought john was all for "civil liberties"

:rolleyes:

http://www.tylwythteg.com/enemies/Ashcroft/ashcroft.html

He said it. Not me.

Nah, WW doesn't have to worry about that. Ashcroft has already stated that Wicca isn't a "real" religion.

Someone needs to clue him in to the fact that it is a real religion. He just probably has a personal issue with it, like he does with dancing, bare breasts on statues, etc, etc, etc.

Republicans are not the ones who hate Religion, Thats Democrats. Under a Liberal admin I could be thrown in Jail for having any religion at all.

Uhhh... nice way to lump them all together, WW. I'm a liberal, and I don't hate religion at all. Practice what you want.. I couldn't care less.

And a liberal admin would NEVER throw you in jail for your religion. The ACLU would all over that like stink on shit.

Uhhh... nice way to lump them all together, WW. I'm a liberal, and I don't hate religion at all. Practice what you want.. I couldn't care less.

And a liberal admin would NEVER throw you in jail for your religion. The ACLU would all over that like stink on shit.

Really? The why did a guy working for them say I should be locked away because i had religion? He said I was a braindead idiot and when WE(Liberals) Took over people like me would be re-programmed.

Really? The why did a guy working for them say I should be locked away because i had religion? He said I was a braindead idiot and when WE(Liberals) Took over people like me would be re-programmed.

What the hell are you talking about?

What the hell are you talking about?

That is what he told me, Pay attention.

Really? The why did a guy working for them say I should be locked away because i had religion? He said I was a braindead idiot and when WE(Liberals) Took over people like me would be re-programmed.


That guy was an idiot. The fact that he was liberal was coincidental. Liberals who are sane believe in the fact that Government should never involve itself in religion. No reasonable person has ever argued about a person's right to have the faith they want. Liberals believe though, that any time a public official espouses a specific religion in the course of his/her duties, then that is a dangerous thing. What you do away from your public office is your business.
I've never ever heard of a conservative wiccan before. I thought the environment and women's empowerment were important?

Oh, mean old corrupt republicans. Wasnt John Kerry the one who wants to repeal laws on frivolous lawsuits?

Seeing as how his running mate for Vice President, John Edwards, made his MILLIONS of dollars by being a Personal Injury Attorney (pond scum), he's probably taking a queue from Edwards.

Republicans are not the ones who hate Religion, Thats Democrats. Under a Liberal admin I could be thrown in Jail for having any religion at all.

It's life, Jim, but not as we know it.

Who cares what happened 30 years ago?

Why not focus on the national problems we have today?

Kerry only sued to stop the T.V. ad, there's no mention in the suit of collusion between the GOP and the Swiftvets.

http://www.cnsnews.com/cartoon/nowakimages/2004/militaryservice.jpg

KERRY SUES VIETNAM VETS OVER HIS ‘BOGUS’ MEDALS
News| 15 August 2004 | Gordon Bishop

Posted on 08/15/2004 4:37:36 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln


John Kerry is a shallow, hollow socio-pathological liar who is incapable of telling the truth.

Kerry has sued his former Navy Swiftboat group to stop a TV ad exposing his war record in Vietnam as a fraud. I guess Kerry forgot about the First Amendment in our U.S. Constitution. The Vietnam vets have compiled the facts surrounding Kerry’s three Purple Hearts and Silver and Bronze Stars medals. His so-called “war hero” medals he’s now showing off in his presidential campaign was all made (or made-up) in only four months during combat in Vietnam.

Kerry was the only Swiftboat sailor ever to leave Vietnam without completing the standard one-year tour of duty, other than those who were seriously wounded or killed, according to Swiftboats vets.

All of this has been documented in a new book just released on Kerry’s war record titled “Unfit To Be Commander.”

Kerry’s response to the Vietnam vets 3-minute commercial on his controversial four-month combat duty? Sue them! Shut them up! Prevent them from telling their well-documented investigative report.

Now that’s how the nation’s leading liberal deals with truth.

Here’s how America’s leading conservative, George Bush, dealt with a fictional film called Farenheight 911” by an anti-American filmmaker, Michael Moore.

When the two-hour movie was released this summer in 400 theaters in America, President Bush did not sue to stop the film from being seen by moviegoers.

Why not? Because Bush believes in the United States Constitution and the First Amendment protecting free speech, even if the “speech” is full of falsehood and leftist-Marxist propaganda.

Moore’s movie was distributed by a leftist organization in America. Distribution of the film in the Mideast is being handled by a terrorist organization, Hezbollah. Here is the text of the three-minute ad made by the Vietnam vets on Kerry’s four-month combat engagement:

John Edwards: “If you have any question about what John Kerry is made of, just spend three minutes with the men who served with him.”

Al French: “I served with John Kerry.”

Bob Elder: “I served with John Kerry.”

George Elliott: “John Kerry has not been honest about what happened in Vietnam.”

Al French: “He is lying about his record.”

Louis Letson: “I know John Kerry is lying about his first Purple Heart because I treated him for that injury.”

Van O’Dell: “John Kerry lied to get his bronze star. I know. I was there. I saw what happened.”

Jack Chenowath: “His account of what happened and what actually happened are the difference between night and day.”

Admiral Hoffman: “John Kerry has not been honest.”

Adrian Lonsdale: “And he lacks the capacity to lead.”

Larry Thurlow: “When the chips were down, you could not count on John Kerry.”

Bob Elder: “John Kerry is no war hero.”

Grant Hibbard: “He betrayed all his shipmates…and he lied before the Senate.”

Shelton White: John Kerry betrayed the men and women he served in Vietnam.”

Joe Ponder: “He dishonored his country…he most certainly did.

Bob Hildreth: “I served with Kerry…”

Bob Hildreth (off-camera): John Kerry cannot be trusted.”

Announcer: “Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is responsible for the content of this advertisement.”

John Kerry came home and was the leader, along with “Hanoi Jane” Fonda, in the anti-war movement, calling his comrades in arms “murderers, rapists, torturers” destroying families and villages during his four months in service.

The Vietnam vets called all of Kerry’s accusations lies. For a complete background on Kerry’s four months of combat in Vietnam, visit swiftvets.com.

The only reason I decided to write this column is because Kerry himself made his “war hero” profile the centerpiece of his bid for the presidency of the United States.

Kerry has opposed both the Gulf War in 1990 under the first President Bush, and the war in Iraq under President George W. Bush. He has also voted against almost every military expenditure during his 20 years as a U.S. Senator, including gutting the CIA, the FBI and the Defense Department.

And he now wants to run the country in World War III between global terrorists killing innocent men, women and children throughout the world, and the American-led coalition of freedom fighters put together by President Bush. Forget about it!

Alas, now he’s changing his mind, pretending to be for the war in Iraq because more than 80 percent of the residents of Iraq support the role of America in liberating their country from the mass-murdering grips of the terrorists, and the end of the reign of terror under Saddam Hussein and his two maniacal sons, who were killed in gunfire with American troops.

You’re too late, Kerry.

Besides, no non-liberal American believes a word you say anymore, since you no longer stand for anything, as you have two or three conflicting positions on every issue.

You cannot take a “Yes” and “No” stand on every issue, Kerry. One cancels out the other.

In a word, you stand for NOTHING!

Who cares what happened 30 years ago?

Why not focus on the national problems we have today?


Quite cimply because John Kerry has made his four months spent in Vietnam a primary reason for his legitimacy for his candidacy for President.

Republicans and undecided voters would LOVE to focus on national issues and debate them with Kerry, however he won't take a solid position on ANY single issue without changing his mind or "clarifying" what he meant in previous statements. Kerry has a serious character problem (yeah I know saying that will get me into trouble with libs and Kerry supporters...err, Bush haters). If only Kerry would take a stand on an issue and stick with it long enough for there to be a serious debate, a lot of questions would be answered.

To quote Kerry on any debates on this: "BRING IT ON!"
*humms 'Flipper' theme*

Quite cimply because John Kerry has made his four months spent in Vietnam a primary reason for his legitimacy for his candidacy for President.

First off, yes, I understand that. I'm a Kerry supporter and aware of that.

However, I wish both sides of the campain, Bush and Kerry, would step off their high horse for one minute and realize that something that happened 30 years ago doesn't matter in this campaign, what matters is moving on to the issues of today; thus, both should shut up, move on, and get to the more immediate matters like the state of the economy, homeland security, and the war on terrorism.

Enough Said! (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5765243/)

SAD! Just another attempt by Liberals to hide the truth about Kerry! Bush should sue MoveOn.Org because they are doing things worse!



BUSH IN '04!
Listen carefully, child. Assuming Gymoor's report is accurate, the lawsuit will accuse SbVT of coordinating with the Republican National Committee--an act expressly forbidden by the McCain Feingold Campaign Finance law that Bush signed. SBVT is a 527 group, and if it can be proven that they worked with the RNC, then they're in a world of pain.

It's pretty obvious, though, that Moveone isn't coordinating with either the Kerry campaign or the DNC, since their latest ad that discusses Bush's TANG service (or lack thereof) was repudiated by both Kerry and the DNC.

Now I know the difference may be difficult for you to wrap your little pointed head around, but I want you to try, mmmmmkay? Will you do that? Hmmm? Will you try? :rolleyes:

http://www.tylwythteg.com/enemies/Ashcroft/ashcroft.html

He said it. Not me.

"Remember - Ashcroft is watching you.

He's reading your e-mail, he's listenting to your phone calls.
He's got a camera in your bedroom, "searching for Al Qaeda."
He's severely religiously insane, and he controls all law enforcement in America. "

Wow. I bet I really freak him out! :)

Enough Said! (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5765243/)
Hey Steph, I know that Matthews hit it out of the park--and the video is just precious--but Olbermann (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5746138/?#040819c) backed him up pretty well too. Check it out.

It should also be noted that thus far, the only "news" site I can find with any mention of this story is WorldNetDaily, so take that into consideration. Personally, I think it would be a good move, but I can understand why they wouldn't ask the FEC to do anything about it.

I saw it on CNN Headline News, specifically mentioning the Republican connection as the reason for the lawsuit. I have, as yet, not been able to find text backup for it on the web.

Enough Said! (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5765243/)

I watched that episode live and was so impressed by Matthews' continued questioning of Thurlow who just couldn't keep up. He sounds like a man with something to hide.

I saw it on CNN Headline News, specifically mentioning the Republican connection as the reason for the lawsuit. I have, as yet, not been able to find text backup for it on the web.It's made the mainstream news now. Here's a link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5771731/) to the story on MSNBC.com.
Kerry’s complaint to the Federal Elections Commission about the ads produced and aired by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth alleges "overwhelming evidence” that the veterans group is “coordinating its expenditures on advertising and other activities designed to influence the presidential election with the Bush-Cheney Campaign,” Kerry spokeswoman Allison Dobson told NBC News.


Not much on the specifics of the allegations, but the Daily Kos has some evidence that links SBVT directly with both the Florida and Minnesota GOP re-election efforts. Don't know what the effect of this is, but it's good to see Kerry hitting back.

Enough Said! (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5765243/)
Once again Stephistan provides an excellent link. How do you do it? :confused:

According to the report, it is for illegal coordination with the Republican Nat'l Committee.

Finally Kerry is really fighting back. Took him long enough. Democrats are adapting way too slowly of this hijacking of the campaing by corrupt Republicans.
dems have been playin nice for too long--its weak :mp5:

Enough Said! (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5765243/)


Chris Matthews is such an unbiased interviewer! (sarcasm alert) He is one of the worst interviewers on basic cable. Enough said??? What does this interview prove besides Matthews bias? All of these guys have come out against Kerry, don't you think there has to be something to these allegations? I saw the show and found Matthews interview tactics rather annoying. But I guess since you are a genius with almost a PhD and a wall full of things, then I guess you know better then me.

Listen carefully, child. Assuming Gymoor's report is accurate, the lawsuit will accuse SbVT of coordinating with the Republican National Committee--an act expressly forbidden by the McCain Feingold Campaign Finance law that Bush signed. SBVT is a 527 group, and if it can be proven that they worked with the RNC, then they're in a world of pain.

It's pretty obvious, though, that Moveone isn't coordinating with either the Kerry campaign or the DNC, since their latest ad that discusses Bush's TANG service (or lack thereof) was repudiated by both Kerry and the DNC.

Now I know the difference may be difficult for you to wrap your little pointed head around, but I want you to try, mmmmmkay? Will you do that? Hmmm? Will you try? :rolleyes:

Sure MoveON has nothing to do with the DNC. If you believe this then you are truly an idiot. Kerry isn't a retard (unlike many of his supporters) which would explain why he would distance himself from those Moveon morons.

Sure MoveON has nothing to do with the DNC. If you believe this then you are truly an idiot. Kerry isn't a retard (unlike many of his supporters) which would explain why he would distance himself from those Moveon morons.
They certainly work toward the same goal, but Moveon and the DNC have no working relationship whatsoever. If there were any proof of such a relationship, the FEC would have fined the shit out of Moveon by now, simply because there are enough Republican groups who have already filed complaints--complaints, it should be noted, that have been found to be groundless.

The key is the question of coordination, and Moveon is very careful to keep its distance from any of the Democratic party's official arms, because they know they have a target on their backs. Pretty easy to do, considering that Moveon consists of 4 people who pretty much run everything and a host of activist volunteers.

SwiftVets has a problem with the distance issue, however, as the NY Times recently pointed out, as well as with recent developments in Florida and Minnesota. And Hannibal--keep it up with the name calling. It only underlines how weak the rest of your case is.

Quite cimply because John Kerry has made his four months spent in Vietnam a primary reason for his legitimacy for his candidacy for President.

Republicans and undecided voters would LOVE to focus on national issues and debate them with Kerry, however he won't take a solid position on ANY single issue without changing his mind or "clarifying" what he meant in previous statements.

To quote Kerry on any debates on this: "BRING IT ON!"
*humms 'Flipper' theme*
Funny this kind of statement, seeing as how much money was BLATANTLY WASTED by THE REPUBLICAN PARTY pursuing specific lurid information about A BLOWJOB like it was ANYONE'S BUSINESS, to the extent that it somehow encompassed some issue of impeachable precedence! Unbelievable.
More to the point, Kerry already went through this BS DECADES ago and this issue became a big deal conveniently following the disappearing/reappearing military records of Bush for 72. The Repubs would like people to believe it was Kerry stumping that as his integrity for his campaign, it works out like every other act of overt cowardice the Bush-supporting Repub types have been working on for a few administrations now.

And ... since the play's the thing ....
Savage today was supposed to have John O'Neill on the air to help support their "side" of the issue ... and he ended up being a no-show.
Nada. Zip. Apologies to producers, et cetera.
Savage of course made a big deal of it, since he has few guests on.
Savage was havin' a good ol'time shootin' at Kerry, and then O'Neill for SOME REASON just yanks that little doiley out from under him, and now,
Savage is calling for his listeners to take to the net in expression of concern that SOME CABAL of LAWYERS is responsible for shutting O'Neill up and out.
Yep. He even speculated (by saying he couldn't speculate, of course) that it was possible O'Neill was jogging somewhere and was visited by a group of do-less-than-gooders in support of Kerry, that would preclude O'Neill from any further public appearances.
But there's not an iota of any substance to any right-wing conspiracy.
Chew, chew.

I wonder what's happened to all the SwiftVets defenders? Have the SwiftVets been so discredited that no one is defending them anymore?

Maybe we can get back to discussing real issues now.

I wonder what's happened to all the SwiftVets defenders? Have the SwiftVets been so discredited that no one is defending them anymore?

Maybe we can get back to discussing real issues now.
I'm still waiting for Friends of Bill to explain why Kerry fled. I sure hope he isn't mad about kerry leaving after four months, because the millitary has had a policy since I believe the Civil War that soldiers had to be returned home after three injuries.

Hell, I'm just waiting for someone to explain why they believed these jokers in the first place--it's not like their motives and their past weren't clear from the very start.

Er, where did you hear this? It's not on CNN, Reuters or BBC.

Au contraire, BlackAdder:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/21/edwards.swiftboat/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/20/kerry.swiftboat/index.html

It's life, Jim, but not as we know it.

Star Trekkin, across the universe -- boldly going forward, cause we can't find reverse.... ;)

Bush should tell the Swift Boat Veterans against Kerry to stop just as soon as John Kerry tells Michael Moore and moveon.org to stop spewing theirs. Hypocrites!

If Bush truly wants the moral high ground, that's what he could do, to show HE was willing to be reasonable about things and take the mature and responsible path.