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This is my problem...I refuse to call people from the U.S "Americans", because the Americas include the North and South American continents, so we are all Americans. However, U.S.Aers is too unweildly, and I can't in fair concience call them all yankuis...because to me, yankuis (spanish spelling, sorry if it looks weird) are the arrogant type of U.S citizens...and not all are thus. Help me out here! What should we call you then? (BESIDES U.S CITIZENS!!!!) I need a short term.

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well its united states of america... so when referrign the specific people of the US, say american, there are 2 continents, north american, south america. when referring to the people of the continent, use north or south americans. its not like we call everyone from britain european when we are talking specifically about the people in great britain

Invaders?

we use americans not because we feel we are the rulers of the world but because we are one of the few countries in the world with America in our name. It's like NS country names there is the "United States" part and the the "America" part. The "United States is a title, while "America is the name.

well its united states of america... so when referrign the specific people of the US, say american, there are 2 continents, north american, south america. when referring to the people of the continent, use north or south americans. its not like we call everyone from britain european when we are talking specifically about the people in great britain

The problem with that is North America includes Canada and Mexico, and there's no way we'd allow you to bunch as all together with the term North American. We're too different. By the way, I've never met someone from Ireland or Scotland who would be pleased by being called British.

we use americans not because we feel we are the rulers of the world but because we are one of the few countries in the world with America in our name. It's like NS country names there is the "United States" part and the the "America" part. The "United States is a title, while "America is the name.
Well, there's the crux of the problem: you're not the only country in America. Mexicans are technically americans as they reside on the american continent.

My proposition: Staters.

...we use americans not because we feel we are the rulers of the world ...
-Explodes-

We don't?! :D

Seirously though. What's the name of our country? The United States of America. Therefore, Americans. If you called us USAers or USA citisens, you would still be calling us Americans, except with abreviations. People from Canada are Canadian, people from Mexico and Mexican, people from The United States of America, are America. Would you rather us called Unitedans? Statians? Or even, The? Then of course there's the option of, Of.

We're from America, we're Americans.

well american is what we're called. If you don't want to call us that, call us something else. It's up to you. However, american is the term and it probably won't change anytime soon.

I don't find Yankee offensive BTW. Since I'm from New York people from the south always call me a Yankee. Plus the Yankees are my favorite baseball team :)

Well, there's the crux of the problem: you're not the only country in America. Mexicans are technically americans as they reside on the american continent.

My proposition: Staters.
There's no American continent. It's the North American and South American continent. Don't blame us because Canada and Mexico didn't want to use America in their names. Just for those of you who take everything way too seriously, that was meant jokingly.

Call people from Canada Canadians, people from the US Americans, people from Mexico Mexicans, people from Brazil Brazilians, people from Chile Chileans, people from Colombia Colombians, people from Guatemala Guatemalans, etc. etc. etc.

Well then I better never see another "european" from any of you. They are French, Germans, Portugese, etc.

I've half a mind to hold you to it, too. ;)

Well then I better never see another "european" from any of you. They are French, Germans, Portugese, etc.

I've half a mind to hold you to it, too. ;)

If I'm referring to the people from France or Germany or Portugal, you bet I will. But if I'm referring to the entire continent of Europe (or something like the EU), then I'm going to say European. American is the de facto term for people from the United States. Do you know many Canadians or Mexicans or Jamacians who call themselves "Americans"?

i know i know
*waves hand wildly up in the air*

we should be called

USers

Besides, the Americans tried to solve this problem, we saw it coming because we are so smart, by trying to take Canada and Mexico in the 1800's. But they wouldn't let us. So if your Canadian or Mexican and you don't feel it's fair to not be called American, I have one thing to say to you, you had your chance.

Just kidding BTW. I'll probably get a flame frome somebody but that was fun. It was stupid but fun. American, Stater, Yankee, who really cares. A rose by any other name...
Unless of course it was called crapweed...

If I'm referring to the people from France or Germany or Portugal, you bet I will. But if I'm referring to the entire continent of Europe (or something like the EU), then I'm going to say European. American is the de facto term for people from the United States. Do you know many Canadians or Mexicans or Jamacians who call themselves "Americans"?
The problem lies when you want to refer to the people of the American continent as 'American' is already used. You can use North American, but what happens if you want to include central american too?

That's why I agree with Sinuhue that we need another term for those residing in the US.

Non-Canadians!

Central America is not the same as North America. That's as if saying, 'But what if I want to refer to people in Europe and Africa too?' Howsabout you use a CONJUNCTION! Gasp! 'And!' 'People in North and Central America...'

Gasp!

I started a topic about this a long time ago . . . I believe the Uber-PC determination is 'United Statesman/woman of America'

You'd have a hard time trying to get people from this country to think of themselves as anything but "Americans". It would almost be like forcing somebody to change their first name against their will; it's something you've already come to regard as part of your identity. I do recognize it's "technically" an incorrect name, but I really think you'd be asking too much to ask us to change it. I don't think you even have to be some kind of uber-nationalist to feel this way...just consider how you'd feel if somebody ordered you to change the name of your country.

Well we get called all kinds of things. Staters seems too logical though and doesn't have a conception based in anger or mockery like "Yankee".... won't stick I don't think.

Has to be something off the wall, that makes fun of us, or straight up mocks us for us to embrace it.

Then you won't hear an end to it. They'll be songs and poems and we might even change the pledge to accomidate.

We so love turning negatives into terms of endearment. Shows us you care. :p

"Yankee doodle came to town, riding on a pony. Stuck a feather in his hat and called it macaroni!" :)

Well I'm from NYC and New Yorkers tend to view themselves as seperate from the rest of the USA...in addition to the literal part ( Manhattan island).
I'm a New Yorker.
You can call me anything ya like just don't call me late to dinner.

Wait, when in hell are you gonna call a Colombian an "American"?

When are you going to call a Canadian, an "American"?


That makes as much sense as calling someone from Russia an Asian.


Just roll with it. If you refuse to call someone something for stupid little reasons, you'll find yourself creating a lot more topics than this.

I say call us "Staties" or "Uniters"

maybe you can call us "OOOHSAHS"

let's go freelancer and say libertarians, just for kicks XD

Help me out here! What should we call you then? (BESIDES U.S CITIZENS!!!!) I need a short term.

Sir.

Personally, I'd be proud to be called a Missourian.

Well we get called all kinds of things. Staters seems too logical though and doesn't have a conception based in anger or mockery like "Yankee".... won't stick I don't think.

Has to be something off the wall, that makes fun of us, or straight up mocks us for us to embrace it.

Then you won't hear an end to it. They'll be songs and poems and we might even change the pledge to accomidate.

We so love turning negatives into terms of endearment. Shows us you care. :p


I change my vote...

I think we should be called "Pricks" because you make a good point

Americans are called Americans, simply because all other indigenous North and South Americans call themselves something based on their country name. (i.e. Canada = Canadians, Mexico = Mexicans).

So, technically, in your logic, you're wrong.

Sir.
to hell with Americans, I wanna be called that!

Well I'm from NYC and New Yorkers tend to view themselves as seperate from the rest of the USA...in addition to the literal part ( Manhattan island).
I'm a New Yorker.
You can call me anything ya like just don't call me late to dinner.

upstate or... nyc?

and theirs a reason its called the empire state afterall.. lol

and actually..

i find that in most states.. try telling a texan or a utahn.. or however you say that one.. that their nothing special.. lol... really now. if you have an issue with calling a person from here american, just refer to them by the state they call home...

otherwise. collectivly, they are america.. so i guess we do have to use american..

oh wells

Just call us "The Best Damn Olympic Medal Winners in the World".

Screw China, we will have more gold in the end!!!! :sniper:

Pete. Marylou. Harry. Andrea. Al. Betty.

otherwise. collectivly, they are america.. so i guess we do have to use american..

oh wells
They are most certainly not!

They are most certainly not!
we most certainly are!


We're the ones that pick the name, not the rest of the world. If we decide on being called Americans, you call us Americans. I have a problem with calling Asian people Asian because that would make a Russian an asian person, technically. But do I bitch? No?

Suck it up guys.

Anyone living in America is an American. That's it. If they were born in another country they are to be called "BirthCountry-American"
e.g. Grecian-American or Franco-American

That's how it should be. :)

Anyone living in America is an American. That's it. If they were born in another country they are to be called "BirthCountry-American"
e.g. Grecian-American or Franco-American

That's how it should be. :)
There is no country called "America".

There is a "United States of America".

Some people object to us calling ourselves "Americans", because there are others who live on the North American continent, and the South American continent, who do not live in the United States of America.

Well, that's fine for them. They can object. And we can over-rule the objection and call ourselves Americans.

Or, we could call ourselves Smuffletweltish.

Or, Aringaloopians

Or, whatever else we like.

As long as we do it politely. ;)

How about the politically correct Non-Canadian Non-Mexican North American? It can be shortened to Ncnmnamerican. It is pronouncable with a little bit of practice.

Or how about North American Who Isn't Mexican Or Canadian? Nawimoc? It even sounds Native American...

and I can't in fair concience call them all yankuis...because to me, yankuis (spanish spelling, sorry if it looks weird) are the arrogant type of U.S citizens...and not all are thus.

Woah, now, wait a second. You obviously don't have a clue what Yankee really means. It means little more than a person from the Northeastern States in the US, like Connecticut, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, etc. It has nothing to do with being arrogant, and frankly it would be offensive to those people if you referred to them as Yankees with that kind of idea in mind. The "arrogant" Yankees as you so call them were the ones who waged the Civil War against the South and freed the US slaves. At least figure out what a term means before you decide that it is a negative one, but I suppose this only makes you about as ignorant of America as the rest of the world is, so it is no big shock.

Well, I think most people know more about USA than the USA-citicens know about their homeland...

Well, I think most people know more about USA than the USA-citicens know about their homeland...

They know only as much as they read in history books or "learn" from TV. It is petty surface knowledge that gives them a false conception of knowledge and leads to hubris.

Well, I think most people know more about USA than the USA-citicens know about their homeland...
BOO! *throws rotten fruit at the guy*

Woah, now, wait a second. You obviously don't have a clue what Yankee really means. It means little more than a person from the Northeastern States in the US, like Connecticut, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, etc. It has nothing to do with being arrogant, and frankly it would be offensive to those people if you referred to them as Yankees with that kind of idea in mind. The "arrogant" Yankees as you so call them were the ones who waged the Civil War against the South and freed the US slaves. At least figure out what a term means before you decide that it is a negative one, but I suppose this only makes you about as ignorant of America as the rest of the world is, so it is no big shock.

Ummm... I'm an American (hehehe), but..."Yankee" is not originally an English word. And, while you are correct that IN the US Yankee generally means someone from the Northeast US (often called New England), "Yankee" has other meanings.

1. A member of a baseball team from New York City (aka "Bronx Bombers")
2. In some places outside the US, anyone from the US
3. In some places in the world, ignorant louts from the US who travel around the world being rude and abusive and giving the rest of us a bad name.
4. During the American Civil War, virtually anyone from north of the Mason/Dixon line.

Now, about freeing the slaves - the Emancipation Proclamation originally freed only slaves being held in States in Rebellion against the United States of America. It has been said that it was really an economic tool employed AGAINST the Confederate States of America - freeing the slaves, IF it worked, would remove most of the work force in the south and have a crippling effect on the economy. The war was more about whether or not a State, once it became part of the United States of America, could stop being part of the United States. It did eventually RESULT in freeing all slaves being held in the any of the United States - but that was not one of the original reasons for the war.

By the way, I've never met someone from Ireland or Scotland who would be pleased by being called British.
That's because Britain is not a part of their name. They are members of a broader organization, the United Kingdom, but nobody ever called them UKers to the best of my recollection.

United is a modifier of States, and the combined phrase modifies America. America is the key noun in that phrase. Thus, we ARE Americans.

Do you suggest that the Australians give up their name, because of the fact that they too address a large portion of their continental group by the continent's name? No? Why not? It's exactly the same situation.

Ummm... I'm an American (hehehe), but..."Yankee" is not originally an English word. And, while you are correct that IN the US Yankee generally means someone from the Northeast US (often called New England), "Yankee" has other meanings.

1. A member of a baseball team from New York City (aka "Bronx Bombers")
2. In some places outside the US, anyone from the US
3. In some places in the world, ignorant louts from the US who travel around the world being rude and abusive and giving the rest of us a bad name.
4. During the American Civil War, virtually anyone from north of the Mason/Dixon line.

Now, about freeing the slaves - the Emancipation Proclamation originally freed only slaves being held in States in Rebellion against the United States of America. It has been said that it was really an economic tool employed AGAINST the Confederate States of America - freeing the slaves, IF it worked, would remove most of the work force in the south and have a crippling effect on the economy. The war was more about whether or not a State, once it became part of the United States of America, could stop being part of the United States. It did eventually RESULT in freeing all slaves being held in the any of the United States - but that was not one of the original reasons for the war.

Yes I know all about the Civil War, which is why I was careful to say that the North won the Civil War AND freed the slaves, not won the war TO free the slaves :) I didn't want to have to write the big long paragraph that you did.

well american is what we're called. If you don't want to call us that, call us something else. It's up to you. However, american is the term and it probably won't change anytime soon.

I don't find Yankee offensive BTW. Since I'm from New York people from the south always call me a Yankee. Plus the Yankees are my favorite baseball team :)

Yanqui is meant offensively, and it is different from your term Yankee:).

Do you suggest that the Australians give up their name, because of the fact that they too address a large portion of their continental group by the continent's name? No? Why not? It's exactly the same situation.
Well, I've always been told that the continent where australia was is called oceania, so your point is moot.
Otherwise, I would tell them to change their name too.

oh well, I still am not offended...

Wait, when in hell are you gonna call a Colombian an "American"?

When are you going to call a Canadian, an "American"?


That makes as much sense as calling someone from Russia an Asian.


Just roll with it. If you refuse to call someone something for stupid little reasons, you'll find yourself creating a lot more topics than this.

Actually, in Spanish, yes you do refer to Colombians or Chileans as americanos as in the song, SOMOS AMERICANOS (we are all americans...not US americans, north and south americans). It's just not common in English.

Actually, in Spanish, yes you do refer to Colombians or Chileans as americanos as in the song, SOMOS AMERICANS (we are all americans...not US americans, north and south americans). It's just not common in English.

What song is that?

This is my problem...I refuse to call people from the U.S "Americans", because the Americas include the North and South American continents, so we are all Americans. However, U.S.Aers is too unweildly, and I can't in fair concience call them all yankuis...because to me, yankuis (spanish spelling, sorry if it looks weird) are the arrogant type of U.S citizens...and not all are thus. Help me out here! What should we call you then? (BESIDES U.S CITIZENS!!!!) I need a short term.
Well, if your pissy about calling us Americans, I guess you could call us Yanks, but that would piss me off, cause Im SOuthern, so you could call me somthin eles.

Well, if your pissy about calling us Americans, I guess you could call us Yanks, but that would piss me off, cause Im SOuthern, so you could call me somthin eles.

How about 'Redneck hick'?

i know i know
*waves hand wildly up in the air*

we should be called

USers
im very upset that y'all ignored my post
sound it out , its PERFECT

Users

you could call us professional as1holes

it is after all our area of experties, no?

Yes I know all about the Civil War, which is why I was careful to say that the North won the Civil War AND freed the slaves, not won the war TO free the slaves :) I didn't want to have to write the big long paragraph that you did.
You could say it was a top priority, there along with taking back the Southern states.

Since someone here was ignorant enough to say that more people know more about the U.S. than it's own citizen's...I'll assume you know that the U.S. Citizens up North during the Pre-Civil War time were *mostly* disgusted with slavery.

im very upset that y'all ignored my post
sound it out , its PERFECT

Users
Non-American *to friend*: This is my friend, a USER
Friend: What did you call me?
Non-American: Huh?
Friend: You called me an S'er!

Actually, in Spanish, yes you do refer to Colombians or Chileans as americanos as in the song, SOMOS AMERICANS (we are all americans...not US americans, north and south americans). It's just not common in English.
That's a song.

There's a song called "Santa Claus is coming to town"

doesn't make it true does it?

Well, Canada was previously the Dominion of Canada, thus Canadians, Mexico is technically the United States of Mexico, and they are called Mexicans, while the US is the United States of America, thus Americans. I don't see how this can be confused with naming people on a continent, since there are two continents, you have to put an adjective before them, so North Americans and South Americans are seperate from Americans.

Quite the paradox, if we call ourselves Americans, we get this continual talk that we shouldn't, becuase every person on the continent are Americans, but if we start calling ourselves United Stater's, or USer/ians/erkers, than Mexico and any other country that has United States in it's name is going to be able to say "well, they are not the ONLY United States". So either stick with Americans, or your going to have to find a descriptive word that is not in the nation's name.

Americans are called Americans, simply because all other indigenous North and South Americans call themselves something based on their country name. (i.e. Canada = Canadians, Mexico = Mexicans).

So, technically, in your logic, you're wrong.

Yes, but the the country is not called America, it is called the United States of America, so maybe we should call you Unitedstatesamericans.

Yes, but the the country is not called America, it is called the United States of America, so maybe we should call you Unitedstatesamericans.

Well then we have to revise all of our lists to include

UnitedkingdomofGreatBritainandNorthernIrelanders
FifthRepublicFrench
FederalGermanRepublicans
RussianFederationians
UnitedstatesMexicans
PeoplesRepublicChinese
RepublicChinese

And that's just what I could think of in 20 seconds.

Woah, now, wait a second. You obviously don't have a clue what Yankee really means. It means little more than a person from the Northeastern States in the US, like Connecticut, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, etc. It has nothing to do with being arrogant, and frankly it would be offensive to those people if you referred to them as Yankees with that kind of idea in mind. The "arrogant" Yankees as you so call them were the ones who waged the Civil War against the South and freed the US slaves. At least figure out what a term means before you decide that it is a negative one, but I suppose this only makes you about as ignorant of America as the rest of the world is, so it is no big shock.

Wow, thanks for showing off YOUR ignorance. "In Latin America the term Yanqui is applied to U.S. citizens, often—especially after the Cuba revolution—with a note of hostility." http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/Y/Yankee.asp

Perhaps you should learn a bit more about the rest of the world instead of your own country. This term is used in a negative sense by millions of people. Yankee in English is not a derogatory term, but it is in Spanish.

That's a song.

There's a song called "Santa Claus is coming to town"

doesn't make it true does it?

Maybe not for you...it sure is for my kids!:). No seriously, this is not just me being "pissy". Plenty of Spanish speakers in both North and South America object to the idea of calling people from the U.S.A "Americans", and many of them just refer to them as yanquis to be clear which country they're from. My point is, I don't want to label all people from the U.S as yanquis, because I don't think they are all:

yanqui: stupid, imperialist, greedy etc.etc.

Well then we have to revise all of our lists to include

UnitedkingdomofGreatBritainandNorthernIrelanders
FifthRepublicFrench
FederalGermanRepublicans
RussianFederationians
UnitedstatesMexicans
PeoplesRepublicChinese
RepublicChinese

And that's just what I could think of in 20 seconds.

Us Canadians would have it easy though:). Don't you see, it's a plan for Canadian domination because you'll all be so busy saying your long names that people will only think of Canadians because it's easier. You will move here to escape the longname shame...

Help me out here! What should we call you then? (BESIDES U.S CITIZENS!!!!) I need a short term.
Sith Lords.

Us Canadians would have it easy though:). Don't you see, it's a plan for Canadian domination because you'll all be so busy saying your long names that people will only think of Canadians because it's easier. You will move here to escape the longname shame...

Actually you would be DominionCanadians, since while the phrase Dominion has been phased out, it has never been officially dropped, and is still used often to differentiate between the Federal gov't and the provinces in official papers and talk.

Actually you would be DominionCanadians, since while the phrase Dominion has been phased out, it has never been officially dropped, and is still used often to differentiate between the Federal gov't and the provinces in official papers and talk.

Damn. I give up.

As for the people from the U.S...I guess I'll keep calling them people from the U.S. I'm done:).

The problem with that is North America includes Canada and Mexico, and there's no way we'd allow you to bunch as all together with the term North American. We're too different. By the way, I've never met someone from Ireland or Scotland who would be pleased by being called British.

Which would be why he referred to it as Great Britain, and not the United Kingdom. They are not the same, since they refer to a certain part of the UK and then to the whole country, respectively. Are you completely set on gnawing this bone? Listen, if you talk about a person from Cambodia, you say they are Cambodian. If you talk about someone from Mexico, they are Mexican. If you talk about someone from Canada, they are Canadian. If you talk about someone from The US of A, then they are American. And if I was talking about you, I'd call you a nit-picky bastard.

Wow, thanks for showing off YOUR ignorance. "In Latin America the term Yanqui is applied to U.S. citizens, often—especially after the Cuba revolution—with a note of hostility." http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/Y/Yankee.asp

Perhaps you should learn a bit more about the rest of the world instead of your own country. This term is used in a negative sense by millions of people. Yankee in English is not a derogatory term, but it is in Spanish.

Except that they took the English term and made a form that fir their language better. They didn't just happen to already have the word "yanqui" in the language. In that sense, whatshisname is right, because the term IS being used incorrectly by people of other nations. They took it and corrupted the meaning.

Of course, in the south we simply refer to them as damnyankees.

Of course, in the south we simply refer to them as damnyankees.

I thought it was "dayam yankees"


- a Damn Yankee, and proud of it

I thought it was "dayam yankees"


- a Damn Yankee, and proud of it

no, it's all one word.

Actually you would be DominionCanadians, since while the phrase Dominion has been phased out, it has never been officially dropped, and is still used often to differentiate between the Federal gov't and the provinces in official papers and talk.

I thought we were The Confederation of Canada?

I thought we were The Confederation of Canada?

??? I've never heard of it called that, it's been a Dominion since 1868 (or 67, can't quite remember), and the name Dominion was only dropped in the 1982 constitution, but that Constitution does not amend the official name of the country from Dominion of Canada to anything, so it is still officially the Dominion of Canada.

The way I see it, this whole thing is about the fact that America happens to be in the title of the country in question. It's the official name, The United States of America, but America is also the name of 'the new world' (North, Central and South America).

So America equals 'the new world'. North, South, Central...titles named from directions and positions to make comminication about America easier by grouping. Still, it's all America.

So it's both. At the same time. I think that it was named with the hope that USA would eventually rule North America (and possibly the other Americas). So it may be illogical but that's their name. Oh well. I think it's more accurate, if you're shortening it, to call them USAians or USAers or whatever. In practicallity you are citizens of a group of 'states' which are united in the new world (aka America). Although, as I said, "United States of America" only works if you're talking all of the new world. Not saying you should rename the nation...just explaining how I percieve that you came to such a name.

With Mexico the country is actually called Mexico. America in USA refers to the continent.

??? I've never heard of it called that, it's been a Dominion since 1868 (or 67, can't quite remember), and the name Dominion was only dropped in the 1982 constitution, but that Constitution does not amend the official name of the country from Dominion of Canada to anything, so it is still officially the Dominion of Canada.

I've heard Canada refered to many times, from officials and in documents, politically as a Confederation (or provinces).

The way I see it, this whole thing is about the fact that America happens to be in the title of the country in question. It's the official name, The United States of America, but America is also the name of 'the new world' (North, Central and South America).

And these "new worlders" can be easily differentiated by naming their Continent, North or South America instead of simply America, Central America can be named as well (also called Latin America), but it's officially part of South America.

So America equals 'the new world'. North, South, Central...titles named from directions and positions to make comminication about America easier by grouping. Still, it's all America.

Only if you combine two continents.

So it's both. At the same time. I think that it was named with the hope that USA would eventually rule North America (and possibly the other Americas).

Or becuase it was the only independent nation in the America's at that time, and they were the United States of America, since there were no other united states, or even independent nations (recognized ones anyway).

I've heard Canada refered to many times, from officials and in documents, politically as a Confederation (or provinces).

First time I've heard of it, the only time I've heard it called anythiing other than Canada was when they are differentiating between provinces and the federal government, and they used the word Dominion, I've never heard or seen the word Confederation.

I think that it was named with the hope that USA would eventually rule North America (and possibly the other Americas).
Huh?

13 little colonies on the eastern side of a continent came up with that name. At the time, they were fighting to get away from a big bad tyrant named George, had French and Indians to the north, had French and Spanish to the south and west, and an indigenous population that didn't always appreciate them as the loving and caring folk they were. These were the people who had visions of trans-continental leadership?

Ummm, no.

That was supposed to be a Confederation (of provinces).

Ok, to settle the business with Canada's official name. It can be referred to as anything, a collection, confederation (note: with a lowercase c), group, etc. of provinces, but that is not it's official name.

According to section 3 of the British North America Act (which created Canada), it's official name was the Dominion of Canada, the exact line is "one Dominion under the name of Canada". Thereafter, in every Canadian constitution and set of laws, it was referred to as the Dominion of Canada. After Canada gained nominal independence from the Westminster act, the name was kept, and it wasn't until the 1950's that the word Dominion began to be phased out of the name of the country.

In the constitution of 1982 (which also changed Dominion Day to Canada Day), the most recent peice of law we can use to examine this, the country is simply referred to as Canada, but, since the Constitution makes no mention of an amendment to the official name from Dominion of Canada, it is still the Dominion of Canada.

And these "new worlders" can be easily differentiated by naming their Continent, North or South America instead of simply America, Central America can be named as well (also called Latin America), but it's officially part of South America.



Only if you combine two continents.



Or becuase it was the only independent nation in the America's at that time, and they were the United States of America, since there were no other united states, or even independent nations (recognized ones anyway).

1: Easier.

2: I was refering to the new world. North and South America were new to European explorers. And they named the whole shabang "America".

3: I have to admit I never thought of that. Although my end point still stands that it is no longer valid since there are other recognized nations now.

Also I assumed the officials had the War of 1812 in mind since a little before the Union took place but that was guessing on my part.

Ok, to settle the business with Canada's official name. It can be referred to as anything, a collection, confederation (note: with a lowercase c), group, etc. of provinces, but that is not it's official name.

According to section 3 of the British North America Act (which created Canada), it's official name was the Dominion of Canada, the exact line is "one Dominion under the name of Canada". Thereafter, in every Canadian constitution and set of laws, it was referred to as the Dominion of Canada. After Canada gained nominal independence from the Westminster act, the name was kept, and it wasn't until the 1950's that the word Dominion began to be phased out of the name of the country.

In the constitution of 1982 (which also changed Dominion Day to Canada Day), the most recent peice of law we can use to examine this, the country is simply referred to as Canada, but, since the Constitution makes no mention of an amendment to the official name from Dominion of Canada, it is still the Dominion of Canada.


Thanks for the clarification.

How about you just stick with what we've been called over the past two centuries... Americans.

How about you just stick with what we've been called over the past two centuries... Americans.

Inaccuracy annoys me lol. But I wont press them to change it.

How about 'Spicy Meatballs?'

How about 'Spicy Meatballs?'

I don't like spicy foods.

I'm all for Sith Lords, then we could put Darth before our names.... that's so kickass.

How about 'Spicy Meatballs?'

Because I don't want to eat The Food Previously Known as America :P

http://linguistlist.org/~ask-ling/archive-1997.10/msg01392.html <-- origins for the word Yankee.

And I thought damnyankees were the ones who moved south and never went back north? ;)

I don't like spicy foods.

I'm all for Sith Lords, then we could put Darth before our names.... that's so kickass.

I may consider moving south so I can be called Darth Seth.

1: Easier.

2: I was refering to the new world. North and South America were new to European explorers. And they named the whole shabang "America".

3: I have to admit I never thought of that. Although my end point still stands that it is no longer valid since there are other recognized nations now.

Also I assumed the officials had the War of 1812 in mind since a little before the Union took place but that was guessing on my part.

Yea, it was named after an Italian, Amerigo Vespucci, because he mapped a lot of the coastline and thought a lot of himself, and called it all America.

However, there is no "new world" any more. Most of it would be considered "third world."

The War of 1812 would be the one where England attacked and burned the White House down. What does this have to do with anything? Officials had it in mind, so they called us the USA? Huh?

Now, there are lots of nations with their own names, so use those to refer to them. This is really very easy, and you people are just being stupid when you refuse to call us Americans. No one else WANTS the title "American." Go ask a Mexican if he wants to be an American. OK, well, in that case he would probably say yes, but that is a whole different issue. In fact, if ANYONE said yes, it would be because they want to LIVE HERE. And they all call us Americans (or yankees, even though I'm southern, and I find it offensive), so if they don't care then why should anyone else.

I know! I know! How about, Americans! Seeing as the official name of the nation is the United States of America! And Canadians and Mexicans -- they're part of North America, as is the USA. We don't claim to be the United States of North America, do we? Just America. And there's no continent named America. Just North America and South America.

Man, I bolded alot of words. :)

Yea, it was named after an Italian, Amerigo Vespucci, because he mapped a lot of the coastline and thought a lot of himself, and called it all America.

However, there is no "new world" any more. Most of it would be considered "third world."

The War of 1812 would be the one where England attacked and burned the White House down. What does this have to do with anything? Officials had it in mind, so they called us the USA? Huh?

Now, there are lots of nations with their own names, so use those to refer to them. This is really very easy, and you people are just being stupid when you refuse to call us Americans. No one else WANTS the title "American." Go ask a Mexican if he wants to be an American. OK, well, in that case he would probably say yes, but that is a whole different issue. In fact, if ANYONE said yes, it would be because they want to LIVE HERE. And they all call us Americans (or yankees, even though I'm southern, and I find it offensive), so if they don't care then why should anyone else.

I thought the War of 1812 was the one where the US wanted to take more land. Something about...I forget what the philosophy was called...Something Destiny?

They called it the new world then. And they called the new world America. That's the concept.

Manifest Destiny and the answer is no. If you don't even know what you are talking about, and can't remember what war is what, you should probably stop now. You seem to be very poorly informed, and yet you insist on making comments in spite of your lack of knowledge.

And an Italian called the new world America. The name just stuck because no one cared what the name was as long as there was gold there. I don't see the point. There is North America, Central America, South America. Big deal. There is the USA, Canada, Mexico, Columbia, Argentina, and Brazil too. All of the people in these countries have their own names. The only ones who want to be called Americans are the people from the USA. All the others have their own names. Get over it. Let it go.

I've seen on other forums, some people say, "United Statesians". One guy was arguing since the USA was founded by Europeans, the USA is the rightful nation of the "United Statesians", there was no nation here when the settlers got here, only tribes of natives. They hardly count for a nation. So I say either "Americans", "United Statesians", or maybe, "Amerikaners".

Manifest Destiny and the answer is no. If you don't even know what you are talking about, and can't remember what war is what, you should probably stop now. You seem to be very poorly informed, and yet you insist on making comments in spite of your lack of knowledge.

Just because I forgot one word does not mean I was guessing about the war. I happen to have a bad memory for small things.

I thought this was corrrect. I thought I knew what I was talking about. I will study more and find out the facts.

And if I am poorly informed just how would I know that? It is illogical to say that because you percieve what I am saying to be incorrect that I should refrain from comment. One: Calm down. And two: Think.

I thought the War of 1812 was the one where the US wanted to take more land. Something about...I forget what the philosophy was called...Something Destiny?

It was over impressment of US sailors by the Royal Navy, and violation of nuetral trade by blockading Napoleonic France. The British actually caved in to American demands, but word of their cessesion to the Americans did not reach America in time, so the US declared war.

The US did invade Canada, as they had during the Revolutionary War, but were pushed out by the Canadian militias and small British regular force. Manifest Destiny had little to do with it, other than a lot of congressmen wanted to bring Canada into the United States, that came later, with wars like the Mexican-American one. In retaliation for the Americans burning York (modern day Toronto), a force of Canadians and British landed in the US, defeated a hastily put together force, and burned Washington DC (the federal buildings anyway, there wasn't much), luckily it rained that night, so the fire didn't destroy the city.

But since the capitol was new, and not vital in anyway to the nation, they hadn't really won a victory, so they decided to march on Baltimore, a major industrial and trading center for the US. Unfortunately, the harbor's fortress withstood British naval bombardment throughout the night (Fort Mchenry, this is where the Star Spangled Banner was penned, and this was what it is about), and the British/Canadian force was defeated by the American forces defending the city.

After this, peace talks made way, and eventually a peace was signed ending the war, but again, becuase it took so long for word to reach across the ocean, neither side was aware of the treaty, and the British mounted an invasion of New Orleans, and suffered their worst military defeat of the war in the Battle of New Orleans, but the battle's outcome had no effect on the war (Which was over anyway), except to give American's a positive view of what was a draw (hence the reason many still believe we won that war).

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/encyclopedia/entry?id=49990

In reality, it was not so much the infringement of neutral rights that occasioned the actual outbreak of hostilities as the desire of the frontiersmen for free land, which could only be obtained at the expense of the Native Americans and the British. Moreover, the West suspected the British, with some justification, of attempting to prevent American expansion and of encouraging and arming the Native Americans. Matters came to a head after the battle of Tippecanoe (1811); the radical Western group believed that the British had supported the Native American confederacy, and they dreamed of expelling the British from Canada. Their militancy was supported by Southerners who wished to obtain West Florida from the Spanish (allies of Great Britain). Among the prominent "war hawks" in the 12th Congress were Henry Clay, John C. Calhoun, Langdon Cheves, Felix Grundy, Peter Porter, and others, who managed to override the opposition of John Randolph and of the moderates.

War was declared June 18, 1812. It was not until hostilities had begun that Madison discovered how woefully inadequate American preparations for war were. The rash hopes of the "war hawks," who expected to take Canada at a blow, were soon dashed.

In July, 1814, the American forces along the Niagara River, now under Gen. Jacob Brown, maintained their own in engagements at Chippawa and Lundy's Lane. Shortly afterward, Sir George Prevost led a large army into New York down the west side of Lake Champlain and seriously threatened the Hudson valley. But when his accompanying fleet was defeated near Plattsburgh (Sept., 1814) by Capt. Thomas Macdonough, he was forced to retreat to Canada. In August, a British expedition to Chesapeake Bay won an easy victory at Bladensburg and took Washington, burning the Capitol and the White House (in 1814-after the war was delcared). The victorious British, however, were halted at Fort McHenry before Baltimore.

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/encyclopedia/entry?id=49990

In reality, it was not so much the infringement of neutral rights that occasioned the actual outbreak of hostilities as the desire of the frontiersmen for free land, which could only be obtained at the expense of the Native Americans and the British. Moreover, the West suspected the British, with some justification, of attempting to prevent American expansion and of encouraging and arming the Native Americans. Matters came to a head after the battle of Tippecanoe (1811); the radical Western group believed that the British had supported the Native American confederacy, and they dreamed of expelling the British from Canada. Their militancy was supported by Southerners who wished to obtain West Florida from the Spanish (allies of Great Britain). Among the prominent "war hawks" in the 12th Congress were Henry Clay, John C. Calhoun, Langdon Cheves, Felix Grundy, Peter Porter, and others, who managed to override the opposition of John Randolph and of the moderates.

War was declared June 18, 1812. It was not until hostilities had begun that Madison discovered how woefully inadequate American preparations for war were. The rash hopes of the "war hawks," who expected to take Canada at a blow, were soon dashed.

In July, 1814, the American forces along the Niagara River, now under Gen. Jacob Brown, maintained their own in engagements at Chippawa and Lundy's Lane. Shortly afterward, Sir George Prevost led a large army into New York down the west side of Lake Champlain and seriously threatened the Hudson valley. But when his accompanying fleet was defeated near Plattsburgh (Sept., 1814) by Capt. Thomas Macdonough, he was forced to retreat to Canada. In August, a British expedition to Chesapeake Bay won an easy victory at Bladensburg and took Washington, burning the Capitol and the White House (in 1814-after the war was delcared). The victorious British, however, were halted at Fort McHenry before Baltimore.

Umm.... no one has challenged anything you've stated here, and is essentially a repeat of my post with a magnifying glass view of the war. And it still does not mention Manifest Destiny, just it's early forms, with expansion towards the West (Not the Pacific), and Canada (Which had always been an ambition of the Americans since the Revolution).

Umm.... no one has challenged anything you've stated here, and is essentially a repeat of my post with a magnifying glass view of the war. And it still does not mention Manifest Destiny, just it's early forms, with expansion towards the West (Not the Pacific), and Canada (Which had always been an ambition of the Americans since the Revolution).

I know I was wrong about manifest destiny.

This was meant to highlight the forced expansion goals. And, unless I misunderstood, you said the war was about trade rights.

I know I was wrong about manifest destiny.

This was meant to highlight the forced expansion goals. And, unless I misunderstood, you said the war was about trade rights.

Well, from my readings, the main cause of the war for me was impressment and nuetral rights, I also mentioned the expansionist leanings of Congress, it's up to your own self to decide which was more important.

This is my problem...I refuse to call people from the U.S "Americans", because the Americas include the North and South American continents, so we are all Americans. However, U.S.Aers is too unweildly, and I can't in fair concience call them all yankuis...because to me, yankuis (spanish spelling, sorry if it looks weird) are the arrogant type of U.S citizens...and not all are thus. Help me out here! What should we call you then? (BESIDES U.S CITIZENS!!!!) I need a short term.

I think I've got something that works, Sinuhue. The United States of America is made up of a series of States, each with it's own name- Calfornia, Texas, New York, etc. Why not refer to Americans by the names of their respective States, so you'd refer to Texans, New Yorkers, etc. Might get tricky with places with names like Massachusetts...and now, come to think of it, you couldn't refer to the American population-at-large by any one of their State's names, could you? Well, it'd still work for discussing individual Americans.

As a group, though, I'm afraid you're somewhat stuck with calling them 'Americans'. If only they'd called it Vespucciland, or Amerigonia or something...well, you wouldn't be posting about it.

I'm all for Sith Lords, then we could put Darth before our names.... that's so kickass.

But I already do...

This is my problem...I refuse to call people from the U.S "Americans", because the Americas include the North and South American continents, so we are all Americans. However, U.S.Aers is too unweildly, and I can't in fair concience call them all yankuis...because to me, yankuis (spanish spelling, sorry if it looks weird) are the arrogant type of U.S citizens...and not all are thus. Help me out here! What should we call you then? (BESIDES U.S CITIZENS!!!!) I need a short term.

There was a topic like this on another message board I go on. It is too difficult (as you said) to call us United Statians or whatever, our countries full name is the United States of America so the name Americans is more like a nickname than anything. Anything else that people would come up with to call Americans would probably just be rude. It isn't like we call ourselves North Americans, so we ARE NOT naming ourselves after the entire continent.

Darn right. We are Americans. We have been and we will continue to be. Lets just leave it at that.

There was a topic like this on another message board I go on. It is too difficult (as you said) to call us United Statians or whatever, our countries full name is the United States of America so the name Americans is more like a nickname than anything. Anything else that people would come up with to call Americans would probably just be rude. It isn't like we call ourselves North Americans, so we ARE NOT naming ourselves after the entire continent.
Not you are naming yourselves after two entire continent. I guess the problem lies with the founding fathers that decided to call the land United States of America. Right from the get go, you could tell this new nation would be full of themselves and arrogant. Couldn't they pick something else?
Like, Canada of Venezuela.

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Idiots? Oops, did I say that out loud?

Not you are naming yourselves after two entire continent. I guess the problem lies with the founding fathers that decided to call the land United States of America. Right from the get go, you could tell this new nation would be full of themselves and arrogant. Couldn't they pick something else?
Like, Canada of Venezuela.

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Well, it is too late to cry about that. We are Americans and that is that.

The problem with that is North America includes Canada and Mexico, and there's no way we'd allow you to bunch as all together with the term North American. We're too different. By the way, I've never met someone from Ireland or Scotland who would be pleased by being called British.
Now you have

Hi :)

I prefer being called British. I call myself British.

(I'm from Scotland, 1/4 Irish)