NationStates Jolt Archive

*its bad enuf that people are suffering mass unemployment under Bushs corporate welfare budgets but to add insult to injury Bush is now stealing the overtime pay of the very victims of his class hatred--people want to know when the quagmire in Iraq will end but when will the GOP end their war against the american workers?

6 Million to Lose Over Time Pay
And the AFL-CIO is estimating some six million workers could lose overtime pay when new federal rules go into effect on Monday. The new rules allow employers to exempt from overtime pay most workers making a salary above about $23, 660. The Bush administration circumvented Congress and changed the rules through the federal regulatory process. And though the Senate voted twice since April to block the changes, House Republican leaders blocked moves to overturn the new rules.
www.democracynow.org

Man, you are so right. Those greedy Republican Corporate scumbags.

Actually, From what I've heard, and the opening post seems to re-iterate this: Even the greedy republican corporate scumbags seem to think this is a bad move. Seems Dubya did this on his own. Probably to repay a campaign contribution.

Yeah, as a greedy Republican who has virtually no money because I'm in college, I must say it was a bad move, but that unemployment stuff is bull. I know only 1 person who's unemployed, and he could get employed if he would realize that without a college education, you can't get a high-profile job unless you have enough cash to start your own business. The unemployment rate is the lowest it's been in many many years (and yes, that extends into and past the Clinton years)

This bill was, like so many other bills (DMCA, for one), passed with good intentions. The purpose (and only time will tell if it sticks to the purpose) was to allow people to work more than 40 hours a week if they wanted. Right now, most employers send their employees home after 40 hours because, even if the employee is willing to waive it, the company has to pay them overtime, period. I haven't actually seen to provisions of the bill, but from what I've seen, there's a lot of potential abuse. The unions will probably push to have it altered.

A view from Britain

Well people, interesting reading. I work in media monitoring, where we read papers for companies basically. Yesterday I read an article about who people were going to vote for in the Presidential elections. One potential Kerry voter told about how much he got paid by McDonald's..

$280 after tax for 80 hours work, which works out at $3.50 an hour, in pounds that's £2.04 an hour. Put it this way, a pint of beer costs £2.50.

Sick or what.. that's the kind of wage you would expect in some far eastern sweatshop.. not the most 'advanced' Western country.

Perhaps that's why McDonald's was so keen to get a seat on the board responsible for creating the minimum wage in Britain and little wonder it's so low as well...

Man, you are so right. Those greedy Republican Corporate scumbags.
ja :headbang:

Actually, From what I've heard, and the opening post seems to re-iterate this: Even the greedy republican corporate scumbags seem to think this is a bad move. Seems Dubya did this on his own. Probably to repay a campaign contribution.
only cuz its an election year and they fear voter backlash

Yeah, as a greedy Republican who has virtually no money because I'm in college, I must say it was a bad move, but that unemployment stuff is bull. I know only 1 person who's unemployed, and he could get employed if he would realize that without a college education, you can't get a high-profile job unless you have enough cash to start your own business. The unemployment rate is the lowest it's been in many many years (and yes, that extends into and past the Clinton years)

This bill was, like so many other bills (DMCA, for one), passed with good intentions. The purpose (and only time will tell if it sticks to the purpose) was to allow people to work more than 40 hours a week if they wanted. Right now, most employers send their employees home after 40 hours because, even if the employee is willing to waive it, the company has to pay them overtime, period. I haven't actually seen to provisions of the bill, but from what I've seen, there's a lot of potential abuse. The unions will probably push to have it altered.why would a worker choose to work overtime for less pay then they deserve?

Ok wow, now im undecided, kerry, the man with the taxation plan, and has voted on every tax law and policy to come through the senate, and was in favour of it, and has put down every new military design. Also he has no principles....very undecided himself. An GWB here is sucking away the overtime pay of americans? now i used to be liek yeah republics, morons but better then democrats, now this? if they fear voter backlash, wtf eh? those greedy men, my god bush is moving in small steps closer to compulsary consumerist state here! or corporate police state, yeah thats radical but these tiny steps some day will drive the democracy out of america, almost defeating the purpose of capitalism itself...

because mcdonalds scamed him,i really odnt think bush had anythign to do with that. AS for greedy, STFU were all greedy little fu**tards, admit it

Bush thinks McDonalds jobs are manufacturing jobs--the man is a global embarassment

man whoever works at mcdonalds should expect the low pay. If not, then hey we can pay another 3 or 4 dollars on each meal we buy and further inflate things....
I figured out a long time ago that mcdonalds wasnt the place to go, to make money, it was burger king :D

man whoever works at mcdonalds should expect the low pay. If not, then hey we can pay another 3 or 4 dollars on each meal we buy and further inflate things....
I figured out a long time ago that mcdonalds wasnt the place to go, to make money, it was burger king :D
LOL

I saw an advert recruiting for Subway the other day whilst flicking through the paper.

The job title was 'Sandwich Artist'

ARTIST??

I saw an advert recruiting for Subway the other day whilst flicking through the paper.

The job title was 'Sandwich Artist'

ARTIST??

ive never been able to carefully, yet with such love and care, place a tomato upon the bread of my sandwich.
Yet these artists!
they do it so wonderfully with such little pay!
now that is a true love for your work

because mcdonalds scamed him,i really odnt think bush had anythign to do with that. AS for greedy, STFU were all greedy little fu**tards, admit it


Tbh, I wouldn't admit to that. I do volunteer work for disabled, I give to charity despite an extremely low income, and if people need something more than me I'll give it to them rather than sell it.

Sure, every human has some greed within them, but the republicans are far more self centred and short sighted than any party I would consider voting for.

I will be voting for the Socialist Party (I live in the UK)...

A view from Britain

Well people, interesting reading. I work in media monitoring, where we read papers for companies basically. Yesterday I read an article about who people were going to vote for in the Presidential elections. One potential Kerry voter told about how much he got paid by McDonald's..

$280 after tax for 80 hours work, which works out at $3.50 an hour, in pounds that's £2.04 an hour. Put it this way, a pint of beer costs £2.50.

Sick or what.. that's the kind of wage you would expect in some far eastern sweatshop.. not the most 'advanced' Western country.

Perhaps that's why McDonald's was so keen to get a seat on the board responsible for creating the minimum wage in Britain and little wonder it's so low as well...

Depending on the pub!
sum places were 2 pounds man!
tryin to inflate the cost of a pint
basterd

Depending on the pub!
sum places were 2 pounds man!
tryin to inflate the cost of a pint
basterd


:) - I live in London... £2.50 is a cheap pint I tell you!!

A view from Britain

Well people, interesting reading. I work in media monitoring, where we read papers for companies basically. Yesterday I read an article about who people were going to vote for in the Presidential elections. One potential Kerry voter told about how much he got paid by McDonald's..

$280 after tax for 80 hours work, which works out at $3.50 an hour, in pounds that's £2.04 an hour. Put it this way, a pint of beer costs £2.50.

Sick or what.. that's the kind of wage you would expect in some far eastern sweatshop.. not the most 'advanced' Western country.

Perhaps that's why McDonald's was so keen to get a seat on the board responsible for creating the minimum wage in Britain and little wonder it's so low as well...

Those numbers don't make sense; people who make minimum wage do not pay that much in taxes.

Is that supposed to be 80 hr/week?

If you need to work at Mcdonald's to support yourself, you have much bigger problems. Tell him to get a real job.

:) - I live in London... £2.50 is a cheap pint I tell you!!

Where I live, it's 30oz for $1 during happy hour...gotta love some things about the USA (of course the beer is crap though)...

The job title was 'Sandwich Artist'

I'd be embarrassed to have that in my CV.

$280 after tax for 80 hours work, which works out at $3.50 an hour, in pounds that's £2.04 an hour. Put it this way, a pint of beer costs £2.50.


WTF - that's NOT EVEN MINIMUM WAGE HERE IN USA!

WTF - that's NOT EVEN MINIMUM WAGE HERE IN USA!

OK check it out
Because someone has fuzzy math here
$5.75 x 80 = $460 ( For 2 weeks no overtime before taxes )
Take out about 60-70 in taxes ( if the check is $500 before taxes you take out 80 dollars for taxes, ss, medicare)

You have $390-400 left. thats about $5 an hour after taxes.

A far cry different from $280. these must be those european 50% taxes you must be figuring. Here in america, if that same person had 1 child, they would end up paying no taxes.

:) - I live in London... £2.50 is a cheap pint I tell you!!


its whitehorse off follum street right by the tube station!( zone 1 and 2 on teh tube )
across the street from teh corner store by the kfc, mcdonalds and sum pizza shit
2 pounds man
i swear


Ive never even been to london and im tellin u the prices lol

OOC: Ah.. you see, you lack the real London knowledge, for just off Old Street is the infamous Bar 170, where drinks cost 180!!

However you slice it (no puns intended on the Subway thing), George W. Bush has been a disaster for this country. The average family has lost about $3,000 dollars in average terms of pay since he took office. And those are the lucky ones, the ones who held on to their jobs. For those who lost their jobs, some -are- finding some news ones....paying them an average of $9,000 dollars less than their previous jobs.

At the same time, CEO (Corporate Executive) pay rose a whopping 23% from 2003-2004. How would YOU like a raise of 23% for one year?

Bottom line: Bush, wrong on economics. I urge my fellow Americans to get out the vote in November and put John Kerry in the White House and restore fiscal responsibility to America.

OOC: Ah.. you see, you lack the real London knowledge, for just off Old Street is the infamous Bar 170, where drinks cost 180!!


Damnit all this talking makes me want to go to london!!!!
damn you lucky person u :D

OK check it out
Because someone has fuzzy math here
$5.75 x 80 = $460 ( For 2 weeks no overtime before taxes )
Take out about 60-70 in taxes ( if the check is $500 before taxes you take out 80 dollars for taxes, ss, medicare)

You have $390-400 left. thats about $5 an hour after taxes.

A far cry different from $280. these must be those european 50% taxes you must be figuring. Here in america, if that same person had 1 child, they would end up paying no taxes.



Those figures were worked out as follows..

Persons salary after tax for 80 hours work was $280, which unless I'm, wrong works out $3.50 an hour, after tax.. then convert that into pounds using the current exchange rate - on Bloomberg.. and it does come to £2.04 an hour after tax..



OK,I was wrong the article says $298 after tax


Terrron Strong drags his feet down the road. He passes houses where roofs droop and dead cars litter overgrown yards.

Strong, 22, is just off his shift at McDonalds. He says he'll 'probably' vote for Kerry. He didn't vote four years ago. 'I don't why I say I like Kerry because I really don't know what the guy's about,' he explains, taking off his McDonalds cap. 'I'd like to vote for Kerry but I really don't want Bush back in there." McDonalds is treating him 'rough.' Minimum wage is a hard way to raise two children, '$5.50, working like that,' he says. 'I'm doing the best I can there. It's real hard. There's barely anything left for yourself,' he says, speaking in a quiet tone in this quiet neighborhood. 'You have to scrape up for bills. You have to put your kids first and worry about yourself later.' Don't get him wrong, Terron isn't complaining. It's just that with two kids, he feels overwhelmed. 'You work 80 hours, have a $350 check before taxes, and then when taxes come it's like $298. And then you got bills,' he says. 'Gas bill: $90. You've got to buy milk, Pampers, food for the house.' Asked where he wants to be when he's 30, Terron's voice goes quiet. 'I want to be out of Arkansas and be at a real steady job, a real good job.' His son and daughter are two and seven. He's realized he really likes kids. He wants to be a coach, maybe teach. 'The world needs good teachers,' Terron says, heading home.


Article is here

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/06/politics/main634462.shtml

Minimum wage is a hard way to raise two children, '$5.50, working like that,' he says. 'I'm doing the best I can there. It's real hard. There's barely anything left for yourself,' he says, speaking in a quiet tone in this quiet neighborhood. 'You have to scrape up for bills. You have to put your kids first and worry about yourself later.' Don't get him wrong, Terron isn't complaining. It's just that with two kids, he feels overwhelmed. 'You work 80 hours, have a $350 check before taxes, and then when taxes come it's like $298. And then you got bills,' he says. 'Gas bill: $90. You've got to buy milk, Pampers, food for the house.' .

Ummm...according to that he is getting paid less than min wage. But what can you expect from someone who works at Mcdonalds...plus he has two kids (one when he was 15?)...Way to go, champ.

I have no sympathy; he has no one to blame but himself (pretends to wipe tears away)

$23 is well above the national average wage of $15.75. I don't see how this would hurt the financial standing of those who least need overtime. Hey, some people work for up to $100/hour. Imagine paying them overtime.