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Keyes: Cancel tax bills for descendants of slaves
Proposal would exempt certain blacks due to 'egregious failure' of government

Republican Senate candidate Alan Keyes has come out in favor of giving
descendants of black slaves an exemption from federal income tax.

"When a city had been devastated [in the Roman empire], for a certain length of time – a generation or two – they exempted the damaged city from taxation," he told reporters yesterday in Chicago.


According to a report in the Chicago Tribune, Keyes is proposing that for a generation or two, African-Americans who are of slave heritage should be exempted from federal taxes. He says federal taxes should be targeted because slavery "was an egregious failure on the part of the federal establishment."

Keyes, who recently moved to Illinois to challenge Democrat Barack Obama for a U.S. Senate seat, says under his proposal blacks would get "a competitive edge in the labor market," because those exempted would be cheaper to hire than federal tax-paying employees and would "compensate for all those years when your labor was being exploited."

To be quite honest, I think this is total bullshit.

They are descendants, not the people themselves. If they were still alive today, I would be okay with paying them reparations. However, how have their living descendants today personally suffered? THEY HAVEN'T.

I think it's an absolute disgrace to even suggest things like this...

They bitch and whine about racism, then do things that do nothing but amplify the problem...

This is bullshit. We already paid with blood to free them. We don't owe them anything. I thought Keyes was smarter than this.

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While I don't agree in principle with Alan Keyes, I do agree with what he's doing. I'd like to see some taxes cut, even if the sole recipients were black. After all, many blacks tend to have poor economic conditions, so I sort of see this as a quid pro quo, as this would allow the government some space to cut needless social funding, like welfare checks.

We already paid with blood to free them.


Who are 'we'?

"We" as in "our" descendants

But yeah, I totally agree that a black person whose great-grandaddies were slaves more then merit getting a tax cut. I mean, everyone's equal, but some people are just more equal then other people, right? :rolleyes:

"We" as in "our" descendants

Your children already paid in blood?

Your children paid in blood?


The USA tore itself apart to free the slaves, and how do the descendants of slaves act, "Give us money for our great great grandparents suffering."

Exactly what "suffering" did these negroes' ancestors experience in slavery?

Bah, i meant our ancestors, looking at the word descendants got me all confused :headbang:

Bah, i meant our ancestors, looking at the word descendants got me all confused :headbang:

Thought as much, but there was no way I was going to let that opportunity to pass me by.

So, do those that paid with blood to free the slaves include those that fought on the Confederate side?

Regardless of the "failures" of the US government, if all citizens won't equality, then, they should get it regardless of that failure. I feel the same way about the African Americans, the women, and the homosexuals (esp. being one of the latter); if we all want equality, then, we need to be held to the same rights as everyone else, and yes, folks, that means paying taxes, too.

While I don't agree in principle with Alan Keyes, I do agree with what he's doing. I'd like to see some taxes cut, even if the sole recipients were black. After all, many blacks tend to have poor economic conditions, so I sort of see this as a quid pro quo, as this would allow the government some space to cut needless social funding, like welfare checks.
I dunno, this kindof thing makes me a little uneasy. Surely rather than creating a tax break to help black people (of which a significant majority are impovrished), couldn't there just be a non-racially selected tax cut on people who were impovrished?

I dunno, this kindof thing makes me a little uneasy. Surely rather than creating a tax break to help black people (of which a significant majority are impovrished), couldn't there just be a non-racially selected tax cut on people who were impovrished?
That'd work, but anything at this point would help. However, I suspect that 50% of what Keyes says is trying to get the black vote, of which Illinois has lots of blacks.

Illinois has lots of blacks.


You're telling me. Dang I know firsthand!

Sounds like vote buying for me.

Obama is liked. Obama talks about getting rid of the crutchs(exuses) for not improving one's self.

A tax cut should be for all poor and not just black poor.

Reperations were valid for the Japanese interment people as they were still alive.

The slaves are dead.
The children of the slaves are dead.
The grandchildren of the slaves are dead.
The great-grandchildren of the slaves are dying.

Writing checks will only solve a few problems.

Finally, where would it end. If they receive money, then why not the native americans?

Slavery was horrible. But the slaves did not face extermination efforts.

All in all, Keyes is a crank.

I heard an interview where he was told he commented on Hilery Clinton moving to New York to get elected. He was asked didn't he basically do the same?

He said "NO!!! This is different! I was asked to run for this office."

Putz!

That'd work, but anything at this point would help. However, I suspect that 50% of what Keyes says is trying to get the black vote, of which Illinois has lots of blacks.
I agree that tax cuts on impovrished people, even if its not on all of them, is a good thing. I think that what you've said may be the thing which makes me most uneasy, it seems such a cynical vote-grubbing exercise. Its like Keynes is directly paying black people to vote for him

You're telling me. Dang I know firsthand!
You sicken me. You don't even have thinly veiled racism, you're right out there with it.

I agree that tax cuts on impovrished people, even if its not on all of them, is a good thing. I think that what you've said may be the thing which makes me most uneasy, it seems such a cynical vote-grubbing exercise. Its like Keynes is directly paying black people to vote for him
They all do it: black, white, Asian, Democrat, Republican, anyone. With this question, I'm sort of compelled to ask how old you are?

They all do it: black, white, Asian, Democrat, Republican, anyone. With this question, I'm sort of compelled to ask how old you are?
I think that's a pretty impertinent question. I'll answer it as a courtesy though, I'm 17.

I know that everyone does it. Some are just a bit more blatent than others. A promise for a tax cut for black people? In a state where the margin of victory will be defined by the black vote? It does seem very dodgy.

You sicken me. You don't even have thinly veiled racism, you're right out there with it.


What the hell you talking about? I didn't say anything mean. I was just agreeing with him, there are a lot of minorities in Illinois, in many areas they are even the majority. It's not racism to point out demographics!

I think that's a pretty impertinent question. I'll answer it as a courtesy though, I'm 17.


I just asked because this is probably the first year you've closely paid attention to campaigns over here. I have to say that they don't change much from year to year, not even in local races.

What the hell you talking about? I didn't say anything mean. I was just agreeing with him, there are a lot of minorities in Illinois, in many areas they are even the majority. It's not racism to point out demographics!
Don't even. The holocaust denial in the other thread as well, I'm really not convinced.

(ot: Minorities in the majority? That's how I like my irony.)

I just asked because this is probably the first year you've closely paid attention to campaigns over here. I have to say that they don't change much from year to year, not even in local races.
Wel, yeah, I was only 13 when the last general election was held in America. But I'm not a rouve, I do have an understanding of how these things work.

Wel, yeah, I was only 13 when the last general election was held in America. But I'm not a rouve, I do have an understanding of how these things work.
I don't think you do quite yet. This is hardly campaign season. Starting in a month, things here get real messy. Come October, it's a war zone. And as the 2000 election showed, neither side is ready to loose. This is our civil war we have once every four years.

I think that's a pretty impertinent question. I'll answer it as a courtesy though, I'm 17.

I know that everyone does it. Some are just a bit more blatent than others. A promise for a tax cut for black people? In a state where the margin of victory will be defined by the black vote? It does seem very dodgy.

ya know, spoffin, i always thought you were more like 37.

it seems like pandering to ME. why else suggest anything so ridiculous? will bi racial people pay half tax? if im 1/16 black on my fathers side can i get an extra $20 back?? it just seems odd to me that a big time conservative like keyes would suggest such a thing that would have zero chance of ever passing.

impoverished people dont pay income tax. if you have minor children at home and you work full time but dont make much money, you pay NEGATIVE income tax (earned income credit gives you extra money back as a reward for working )

and yes, i assumed racism on CMs part too. its not like it would be the first time he said something "iffy"