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BWAHAHAH!

Heres an example of a jet black pot calling a slightly tinted silver kettle black.

If kerry wants Bush to denounce them, why hasnt kerry denounced this idiot (http://www.michealmoore.com) or these guys (http://www.moveon.org) or these guys (http://www.democracynow.org) or perhaps even these guys, (http://www.fsrn.org/) all guilty of large amounts of deception on Kerry's behalf. Where is the democratic effort to denounce them? Bush hasnt been funding the ad in secret like Kerry claims, but im sure people believe this anyway.

Politics is just spin, and I'm dizzy.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5758982/?GT1=4529

BWAHAHAH!

Heres an example of a jet black pot calling a slightly tinted silver kettle black.

If kerry wants Bush to denounce them, why hasnt kerry denounced this idiot (http://www.michealmoore.com) or these guys (http://www.moveon.org) or these guys (http://www.democracynow.org) or perhaps even these guys, (http://www.fsrn.org/) all guilty of large amounts of deception on Kerry's behalf. Where is the democratic effort to denounce them? Bush hasnt been funding the ad in secret like Kerry claims, but im sure people believe this anyway.
Kerry, unlike Bush, isn't funding any of these people.

PLUS

Democracy now, MoveOn.org and Micheal Moore arent lying.

this is funny why?

Kerry, unlike Bush, isn't funding any of these people.

Bush did not fund the organization that ran that ad. Reality and what kerry says are not the same.

As for you Sumamba, not even some of the diehard democrats seriously believe any of those. I should warn you that Red Arrow/Letila/MKULTRA/Texambuls tend to be flamed into the ground. But youve given me no material to do it with.

How exactly is Kerry making a fool of himself?
These ads have been mostly paid for by Robert Perry, a good friend of George Bush who has been (and is) a significant contributor to his campaigns for many years. And you're saying there's no connection between the Bush camp and these ads?
Also if you actually read the article, Kerry calls them a "Republican-funded attack group", not a "Bush-funded...". Isn't that what they are?

why hasnt kerry denounced [...]

*sigh*

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-08-17-war-records_x.htm

"I agree with Senator McCain that the ad is inappropriate," Kerry said in a statement released by his campaign. "This should be a campaign of issues, not insults."

At any rate, most people see a difference between true things and false things. Even F911, as much as it has been lambasted, is far more accurate than your average Sunday talking head news show.

I don't think anyone on the planet believes that Bush got into the national guard without family connections. There's almost no evidence to back up the swift vet claims, particularly about Kerry's purple hearts.

How exactly is Kerry making a fool of himself?
These ads have been mostly paid for by Robert Perry, a good friend of George Bush who has been (and is) a significant contributor to his campaigns for many years. And you're saying there's no connection between the Bush camp and these ads?
Also if you actually read the article, Kerry calls them a "Republican-funded attack group", not a "Bush-funded...". Isn't that what they are?
Of course you'e right, and you know why? George Bush and the Jews control the whole media! None but The Most Righteous Order of the Tinfoil Hats can save us!
The Most Righteous Order of the Tinfoil Hats has aligned with the Group for the Diefication of Michael Moore, and in their eternal wisdom they have realized that Bush, who is obviously stupid (Despite the economic turn around that has occured while war is being raged), is controlling everything! He even controls CNN and he wants them to have their regular Kerry lovefests! He hired Monica Lewinski to lie about Bill Clinton, who is the second coming of Jesus Christ! Hurry everyone, it is the duty of all Bush-bashers to protest the RNC by commiting mass suicide at the doors. That'll show them.
But first, we must make websites!
TO THE BLOGS, MY FELLOWS!!!!!

Kerry, unlike Bush, isn't funding any of these people.

Actually Kerry's wife does. Where is the proof that Bush is.

Ya know, Kerry has a SILVER STAR . . . I wonder why he hasnt tried to capitalize on that yet?

PLUS

Democracy now, MoveOn.org and Micheal Moore arent lying.

Well it isn't the truth either, so what do you call it?

Ya know, Kerry has a SILVER STAR . . . I wonder why he hasnt tried to capitalize on that yet?

Good point. I guess it has something to do with the fact that it was a BS award.

BTW-Why did Kerry always bring a movie camera with him while on patrol? Why did Spielberg doctor the film for the DNC?

Well it isn't the truth either, so what do you call it?
Propaganda, and damn good propaganda at that.

Good point. I guess it has something to do with the fact that it was a BS award.

BTW-Why did Kerry always bring a movie camera with him while on patrol? Why did Spielberg doctor the film for the DNC?


Are you serious about the Spielberg angle?

Actually Kerry's wife does. Where is the proof that Bush is.
im quite sure you have proof of this statement



and aside, kerry (sorry fingers move faster than brain) has already stated earlier that moveon.org and the rest are not funded by the kerry campaign and kerry does not hold the same opinions as they do, or something of that nature i forget the quote

Ya know, Kerry has a SILVER STAR . . . I wonder why he hasnt tried to capitalize on that yet?
Cuz like all his awards, it is a sham.

Bush's personal buddy pays for those lies. He pretends to respect Kerry's war record while actively indercutting; he just won't admit he's responsible for the mudslinging and lying.

Who is a real vet and who "lost" his service records?

Who said "WMD?"

Who said "The conflict is over?"

Who sent the Bin Laden family out of the country on 9/11 when flights were supposedly restrcited for security reasons?

Who should we trust then?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5758982/?GT1=4529

BWAHAHAH!

Heres an example of a jet black pot calling a slightly tinted silver kettle black.

If kerry wants Bush to denounce them, why hasnt kerry denounced this idiot (http://www.michealmoore.com) or these guys (http://www.moveon.org) or these guys (http://www.democracynow.org) or perhaps even these guys, (http://www.fsrn.org/) all guilty of large amounts of deception on Kerry's behalf. Where is the democratic effort to denounce them? Bush hasnt been funding the ad in secret like Kerry claims, but im sure people believe this anyway.Ignorance must be bliss, huh?

Free Speach Radio News and Democracy Now have no loyalty to Kerry as both have blasted Kerry's right-wing politics.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5758982/?GT1=4529

BWAHAHAH!

Heres an example of a jet black pot calling a slightly tinted silver kettle black.

If kerry wants Bush to denounce them, why hasnt kerry denounced this idiot (http://www.michealmoore.com) or these guys (http://www.moveon.org) or these guys (http://www.democracynow.org) or perhaps even these guys, (http://www.fsrn.org/) all guilty of large amounts of deception on Kerry's behalf. Where is the democratic effort to denounce them? Bush hasnt been funding the ad in secret like Kerry claims, but im sure people believe this anyway.

In case you missed the part where knowing what you were talking about: Yesterday, Kerry called upon MoveOn.org to cease running an ad that questioned Bush's National Guard Service. In the past, Kerry HAS called upon his supporters to stop denigrating Bush's guard service.

And in case you didn't know about "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth": They are affirmed and caught liars backed by O'Neill, who is a Republican fundraiser from Austin, Texas. Only one member of the group ever served in Kerry's unit, and one co-signer was his commanding officer. Since that time, the CO, Lt. Cmdr. George Elliott (ret.), has revealed that he signed the groups' missive under pressure and now says that Kerry deserves every medal he got. Furthermore, the veteran who served in the same unit (but not on Kerry's boat), Thurlow, has been proved to be lying - he has said that Kerry earned a Bronze Star for an engagement that didn't happen. However, his naval records indicate that Thurlow received a Bronze Star IN THE SAME ENGAGEMENT!

Here's the difference between Kerry and Bush's detractors: The people you falsely accuse Kerry of not asking to stop are not tied to his campaign and, more importantly, aren't LYING, merely stating facts that the evidence has so far failed to repudiate. Bush REFUSES to disavow the actions of a group of PROVEN liars founded and run by a man who has given hundreds of thousands of dollars to Bush's campaigns (all three of them).

You should really know the facts before attempting to have an opinion.

Yes. It truly is sad to see such ignorance shown as The Class A Cows has done without ever reading between the lines or listening to the other side of the issue before speaking.

Bush hasn't done much good to the country and our government is soon to pursue a bad direction along with the media and society changes occurring today. Though EVERY president has their fault, I truly believe Kerry will do much better at re-organizing the nation and allocating our budget to what we NEED and not what the administration tell us we need.



Plus, Bush really IS an idiot, personally.

Cuz like all his awards, it is a sham.

I repeat for the moronically inclined: Kerry's own commanding officer, Lt. Cmdr. George Elliott, has stated that Kerry deserves each and every one of his medals, and that Swift Boat Veterans for Truth pressured him into signing a memorandum stating otherwise. He has since disavowed his signature.

No one has come up with FACTS to repudiate the account of the engagement where Kerry earned his Silver Star - taking out a Viet Cong with a rocket launcher.

The only person who tried to impugn his Bronze Star, Thurlow, was caught in a lie - he earned a Bronze Star in the same engagement, under the same circumstances as Kerry (taking enemy fire) when he tried to say the engagement never happened. Thurlow's Naval records show this.

Purple Hearts are awarded for injuries received in a CONFLICT ZONE, not for wounds received in combat. Getting a boil on your ass lanced while serving in a conflict zone is grounds for the Purple Heart, has been since WWII. So, Kerry received Purple Hearts for minor wounds - still legitimate.

One cannot nominate oneself for medals - your commanding officer has to nominate you. Been this way since WWII.

You should really research your claims before firing off at the mouth. Even Bill O'Reilly is tired of this crap. He said so on his website. Stop fomenting untruths! If you have actual FACTS to back up your opinion, then bring those to the argument. Otherwise, you are obviously too poorly armed to engage in a battle of wits on this subject.

Who sent the Bin Laden family out of the country on 9/11 when flights were supposedly restrcited for security reasons?
Your right, we should have reacted in blind fury and formed lynch mobs to eliminate an entire family.
He sent the binLadens away to protect them from the mobs that would have killed them just for being related to an ass-hat. Or perhaps he was supposed to let you kill them, a little innocent blood, would that make you happy? Perhaps some death by association?
I think I know where you can find some people who were related to Nazis for you to murder. Or would that be too much of a fight? I'm sure I can find some that are too young or too weak to fight back.

...and in their eternal wisdom they have realized that Bush, who is obviously stupid (Despite the economic turn around that has occured while war is being raged), is controlling everything...

Umm...what economic turn around?

Your right, we should have reacted in blind fury and formed lynch mobs to eliminate an entire family.
He sent the binLadens away to protect them from the mobs that would have killed them just for being related to an ass-hat. Or perhaps he was supposed to let you kill them, a little innocent blood, would that make you happy? Perhaps some death by association?
I think I know where you can find some people who were related to Nazis for you to murder. Or would that be too much of a fight? I'm sure I can find some that are too young or too weak to fight back.

This is the lamest argument for letting the Bin Ladens leave the country ever! Is this teh best you can do? Oh wait its the same thing all of the Republicans say.

Think about it... would there possibly be a way to keep them safe from mobs inside the country? I'll give you some time. Maybe you can go look for it on teh internet if you can't think for yoruself.

This is the lamest argument for letting the Bin Ladens leave the country ever! Is this teh best you can do? Oh wait its the same thing all of the Republicans say.

Think about it... would there possibly be a way to keep them safe from mobs inside the country? I'll give you some time. Maybe you can go look for it on teh internet if you can't think for yoruself.
No, there was no other way. Look what happened to Steve Bartman.
For those who don't know who is he is the guy who may have cost the Cubs the world series.
As a result, he was stalked, insulted, humiliated and reviled by 1,000s. All he did was deflect a foul ball.
Consider the binLaden family, relatives of the man responsible for 1,000s of deaths and universally reviled. Now I want you to honestly tell me that there was one safe place in the U.S. Americans are a divisive and self-interested people. However, give them something or someone to hate and/or pursue, and you will see feats of ingenuity and unification that are almost beyond belief.
I'm not saying I'm proud of it (I'm not) its just the way of the American animal.

Then you didn't think hard enough. If you want to keep someone in the country and dont want them to get mobbed, simply take them to an army base. Take them to an undisclosed location of some sort. You can keep them in the country and quesiton them and follow up on leads and noone would be able to lay a finger on them. It doesn't take much critical thinking to come up with that. There... now you still have them for questioning and noones pissed that you let them leave the country. it's win/win.

I dont know if this has been noted yet, but Bush has responded. Bush claims not to have seen the ad in question, but he does condemn all soft money advertising used in this manner of sabotage.

As for the check on the funding, there was no connection to the republican campaign which is following Bush. That was a lie. But there is a wealthy Texas republican sympathetic to Bush but acting independantly from the Bush campaign who has provided a great deal of funding. The democrats cannot claim that they havent experienced the same. And ive caught up with Kerry's own condemnations, which were as weak as Bush's own ones... i dont recall him making such condemnations myself but i saw some transcripts. Anyway, im not going to provide any forgiveness until you can show me a brave and open condemnation of Bowling for Columbine (i havent seen Farenheit 9/11 yet but if Kerry condemns that i would be happy too.)

Actually Kerry's wife does. Where is the proof that Bush is.
You mean this? (http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/tides.asp) Or something else?

The people running the ad are funded by one of Bush's largest contributors. You don't think that's suspicious?

Purple Hearts are awarded for injuries received in a CONFLICT ZONE, not for wounds received in combat. Getting a boil on your ass lanced while serving in a conflict zone is grounds for the Purple Heart, has been since WWII. So, Kerry received Purple Hearts for minor wounds - still legitimate.
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actually its for injuries received during a combat situation, not just in a zone

In recent weeks, The Heinz Endowments has been accused of using its funding of the Tides Center of Western Pennsylvania to advance a laundry list of partisan causes and fringe political groups. This accusation is simply wrong.

It originated in an opinion column written by a researcher for the conservative, Washington, D.C.-based Capital Research Center. The crux of CRC’s argument is that money directed by the Endowments to Tides is "fungible." By supporting projects through Tides, CRC alleged that Heinz has secretly funneled money to every other organization that has ever received funding through Tides Center and the separate Tides Foundation.

Since first being published in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, CRC’s accusation has been picked up and expanded in opinion pieces in a number of newspapers, including the Wall Street Journal, the New York Post and the Washington Times. But not even these publications have leveled this allegation in actual news stories.

The reason why is obvious: The charge does not stand up to objective scrutiny. Four facts undercut it completely. First, by legally binding contract, every penny of Heinz’s support to Tides has been explicitly directed to specific projects in Pennsylvania. It cannot legally be redirected and is the exact opposite of fungible.

Second, the Tides Center is a provider of management and administrative services, and we have used it only for those services, not to advance Tides’ grantmaking agenda. Foundations from all across the country-many, like Heinz, with strong centrist agendas-use these services to incubate an array of nonprofit programs. So does the federal government. It is no more accurate to suggest that Heinz supports every one of these programs than it is to suggest that someone who contributes to a specific group through the United Way supports the agenda of every other United Way beneficiary.

Third, the projects we have supported through Tides speak for themselves. They include programs to test the career readiness of area high school students, protect Pittsburgh’s environment and retain young people in our region-hardly an extremist agenda.

Fourth and finally, information about every one of our Tides-related grants is and always has been readily available in our public filings, annual reports and here on our web site. Far from being secretive, we have been consistently open in detailing the nature of our grants to Tides and every other organization we fund.

For those to lazy to check link.

"I know that the human being and the fish can co-exist peacefully"

"I don't need to be subliminabable"

"It's going to require numerous IRA agents"

All true. I can go and dig up the dates and places if necessary.

Yeah, bush language mangling is very funny, i agree. Some of those quotes are really funny.

"our enemies are constantly thinking of new ways to [hurt us,] and so are we."

Thats a diffrent thing for a diffrent thread though.