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You know, with all the anti-Canada propaganda out there merely because they chose not to go into Iraq, I was wondering, are there many other Americans who actually like Canada? I like the country- it seems to be a nice place indeed.

(P.S. This post is made by an American conservative who is actually considering moving to Canada at some point.)

Ergh!!! Why havent we annexed the bastards yet?

I'm in favor of union between the U.S. and Canada, but it has to be accepted by both sides. We can't annex Canada directly. They have to want to join the U.S. (Or, in a weird way, the U.S. and Canada becoming Canada.)

Ergh!!! Why havent we annexed the bastards yet?

Umm, American tried and failed in 1812 didn't they? There is your answer. I can't imagine why the good "ol USA would even try. US and Canada are already the largest trading partners in the world. I can't see Canada ever becoming part of the USA, they are very liberal compared to the USA. I don't think the cultures would mix all that well in the grand scheme of things.

I think they would. If you get rid of the religious right and the bad republicans, we're not that much different.

Umm, American tried and failed in 1812 didn't they? There is your answer. I can't imagine why the good "ol USA would even try. US and Canada are already the largest trading partners in the world. I can't see Canada ever becoming part of the USA, they are very liberal compared to the USA. I don't think the cultures would mix all that well in the grand scheme of things.

Augh!!! no we didnt, we did though try to take British military outposts in canada druing the revolution.

We actually invaded Canada in 1812. We lost, though. We did invade Canada in the revolution too, to try and cut off British reinforcements.

We actually invaded Canada in 1812. We lost, though. We did invade Canada in the revolution too, to try and cut off British reinforcements.

link please

It's what I know from history class. I can't find a link on the internet. Try Wikipedia.

Yes, the US did invade Canada in 1812 with the intent of taking it. They signed a "stalemate" ceasefire, however that's just for the history books. The fact that not an inch of Canada was taken would certainly suggest Canada did in fact win, given the US didn't succeed in it's objective.

Hey, I like Canada. I've been told multiple times to move there by some of the farther right members of my community. Classy folks, they are...

I want to move there- your conservatives seem to be more sane than the current Republican Party.

P.S.- Is Stephen Harper extreme-right?

...the U.S. and Canada becoming Canada.

Now that's an idea. Count me in ;)

It does sound pretty cool. Admittedly, the parliamentary system is somewhat unsuitable for America- perhaps we could revamp it a bit- but calling the new nation Canada would be appropriate because Canada is derived from an Indian word meaning "village". That's why it's appropriate- the new U.S./Canada community would be like a village- leading the world

Yes, the US did invade Canada in 1812 with the intent of taking it. They signed a "stalemate" ceasefire, however that's just for the history books. The fact that not an inch of Canada was taken would certainly suggest Canada did in fact win, given the US didn't succeed in it's objective.

I found this after a google search:

The War of 1812 is one of the forgotten wars of the United States. The war lasted for over two years, and while it ended much like it started; in stalemate; it was in fact a war that once and for all confirmed American Independence. The offensive actions of the United States failed in every attempt to capture Canada. On the other hand, the British army was successfully stopped when it attempted to capture Baltimore and New Orleans. There were a number of American naval victories in which American vessels proved themselves superior to similarly sized British vessels. These victories coming after victories in the Quasi War (an even more forgotten war) launched American naval traditions.

Hoisted by my own petard!

I've always been fond of Canada myself. Where all of this hatred for our neighbors to the North comes from, I'll never know. Is it just popular to insult Canada? Is that what Americans are, a country that bullies other countries? I don't think that we are, but one may get that perception. Canada is a beautiful place, and not too much different from our own country. I do not see anything positive coming out of invading Canada. I don't believe that an annex would work either, unless we were talking about a union between the two. At that point, we would want to invite a union between Mexico as well. Of course, neither nation would want that for everyone knows that the center of that power would lie in D.C.

It does sound pretty cool. Admittedly, the parliamentary system is somewhat unsuitable for America- perhaps we could revamp it a bit- but calling the new nation Canada would be appropriate because Canada is derived from an Indian word meaning "village". That's why it's appropriate- the new U.S./Canada community would be like a village- leading the world

instead of the two nations becoming canada, what about the North American union or something

I used to live in Canada when I went to school after highschool I moved back to the US for work. Canadians feel they have the same rights as Americans which is not the case. Did you know they can have all thier rights taken away by one signature and that is a signature of a non-elected official. Basically its the Queens Representitive to Canada. A union between countries would be great but the vast desparity in Population might not allow that due to Canada having only about 38 million people and 90 percent within 100 miles of the Border. However if it ever happened I would be happy with it because what can I say its beautiful up there especially on the west coast in British Columbia.

As for the History Lesson:
The US officially invaded Canada Twice once during the Revolution and managed to take a # of towns. However during an attack the main leader to the invasion force was killed and so we retreated. Then in 1812 however we weren't very sucessful. Now since then there had been 2 US backed plans for invasion both to be done by Fenians (Irish) Troops most served in the US army during the Civil war. What they proposed to do was take Eastern Canada and create a new Irish state. However a British Intelligence agent was second in command of the Fenians so there invasions were not that successful. But the plan was to let the Fenians have Eastern Canada and to have us take western Canada from Manitoba west.

That may be, but, since the U.S. dominates the North American continent more or less, it would work for Canada and Mexico, as they would finally have a say in U.S. affairs.

I found this after a google search:

The War of 1812 is one of the forgotten wars of the United States. The war lasted for over two years, and while it ended much like it started; in stalemate; it was in fact a war that once and for all confirmed American Independence. The offensive actions of the United States failed in every attempt to capture Canada. On the other hand, the British army was successfully stopped when it attempted to capture Baltimore and New Orleans. There were a number of American naval victories in which American vessels proved themselves superior to similarly sized British vessels. These victories coming after victories in the Quasi War (an even more forgotten war) launched American naval traditions.

Hoisted by my own petard!

Yes, this is basically what I said. US invaded Canada and failed.

Valia, Canada sounds classier than the North American Union. We could even keep the USA, as Canada is technically in North AMERICA.

That may be, but, since the U.S. dominates the North American continent more or less, it would work for Canada and Mexico, as they would finally have a say in U.S. affairs.

whaugh? since there isnt any presuppsed NAU right now why would they have a say in our affairs?

If NA was united, then Canada and Mexico would have a say in U.S. affairs. They do not now, even though they are practically dominated by us.

Valia, Canada sounds classier than the North American Union. We could even keep the USA, as Canada is technically in North AMERICA.

i dont know, but if you're going to have something like that you just cant have the name of a country that already exists be the name of the alliance or whatever (it would be like naming the EU France, or the UN America)

Canada, as I said, is derived from a word that means village. That's why it's appropriate.

I think they would. If you get rid of the religious right and the bad republicans, we're not that much different.

Give us a call when you DO get rid of them.

I used to live in Canada when I went to school after highschool I moved back to the US for work. Canadians feel they have the same rights as Americans which is not the case. Did you know they can have all thier rights taken away by one signature and that is a signature of a non-elected official. Basically its the Queens Representitive to Canada. A union between countries would be great but the vast desparity in Population might not allow that due to Canada having only about 38 million people and 90 percent within 100 miles of the Border. However if it ever happened I would be happy with it because what can I say its beautiful up there especially on the west coast in British Columbia.

You must of lived there a long time ago. If memory serves me correct, which I believe it does. Canada signed into law it's own constitution in 1982 and signed away from the UK. While the Queen is still considered in Canada and their governor general is the Queens rep in Canada, it's my understanding that it's just a figure head position now, not unlike what the Queen is in the UK, she has no real power in the UK, let alone Canada. I'm sure if any Canadian rights laid out in their constitution were violated in the Queens name, it would be struck down by their supreme court as "un-constitutional"

If NA was united, then Canada and Mexico would have a say in U.S. affairs. They do not now, even though they are practically dominated by us.

exactly, but if there is ever going to be a workable united NA canada and mexico, but primarily mexico would have to bring themselves out of the third world to be in the same leauge as america and canada (i.e. canada and america have powerful economy's but america has the stronger military and mexico is practically stuck in the third world)

I'd be willing for a total union between the US and Alberta. :)

Canada, as I said, is derived from a word that means village. That's why it's appropriate.

I and many Americans and Mexicans would not feel its appropiate.

I want to move there- your conservatives seem to be more sane than the current Republican Party.

P.S.- Is Stephen Harper extreme-right?

Yes. Fortunately, he'll never come close to being prime minister. They're only really marginally more sane: the difference is not worth noting. We just don't give them the power to rule us is all.

I'm actually in favor of just U.S. and Canada. Mexico can be left out for the time being.

A North American Union is a great idea that will more than likely never come to be. There's the whole question of American sovereignty. That's something that we would never give up. Unless, of course, or economy begins to falter, partly due to the emerging strength of the EU (which, I might add, is a great idea.) That's the only way I can see a North American Union. Would we include the other states of Central America?

I'm actually in favor of just U.S. and Canada. Mexico can be left out for the time being.

I would imagine they'd be offended as the US already dominates the continent, but with the combined ecomomy's of the US and Canada it would be humiliating for Mexico, although a C, USA alliance would be crushing as far as economic might is concerned for the EU.

Mexico needs to get its own house in order first. Mexico's problems would be a great strain on the combined US/Canada economy.

A North American Union is a great idea that will more than likely never come to be. There's the whole question of American sovereignty. That's something that we would never give up. Unless, of course, or economy begins to falter, partly due to the emerging strength of the EU (which, I might add, is a great idea.) That's the only way I can see a North American Union. Would we include the other states of Central America?

It would have to more of a Confederacy for mutual benifit(sp?) for both the Nations (much like the EU) Canada and America would both keep their own governments and soverignty but would elect represenatives(sp?) to a national parliament/congress to decide important issues like trade, etc.

Mexico needs to get its own house in order first. Mexico's problems would be a great strain on the combined US/Canada economy.

exactly, (didnt you read my post?)

I used to live in Canada when I went to school after highschool I moved back to the US for work. Canadians feel they have the same rights as Americans which is not the case. Did you know they can have all thier rights taken away by one signature and that is a signature of a non-elected official.


No, no... Ashcroft is on YOUR side of the border!

;)

Seriously though, technically both countries can remove rights at the stroke of a pen under various emergency or war powers acts. In reality such things are almost never done.

I found it interesting though that there is currently a Bill in Congress to allow them to over-rule your Supreme Court so that American citizens would wind up having NO recourse to have unconstitutional laws overturned should a majority of Congress wish it.

Other than that, our freedoms are fairly similar. You have more open gun ownership, but in many other respects Canadians enjoy more personal freedoms than Americans.

We can't go the model of the EU. The EU is a bad example- it's erasing Europe entirely. I believe in a new country made up of the U.S./Canada. That would work much better than the EU- it would keep alive two distinct cultures in one country.

Canada stands for what America stands for and more.

We can't go the model of the EU. The EU is a bad example- it's erasing Europe entirely. I believe in a new country made up of the U.S./Canada. That would work much better than the EU- it would keep alive two distinct cultures in one country.

But it would never work because most Americans (and Canadians) would never sign away their soverieignty to a new amalgamtion of two countries.

I want to move there- your conservatives seem to be more sane than the current Republican Party.

P.S.- Is Stephen Harper extreme-right?
I'm Canadian!

Harper is considered a neo-con by many Canadian Political observers, including myself. I support more of the left-wing parties, the NDP, the Liberal Party, Bloc-Quebecois [except their idea of seperation]. Canada is for the most part a liberal country, the conservatives are liked out west and the liberals and other parties liked everywhere else. Its a good thing he didnt wint the election, I'm not sure what would have happened to the country, besides turning upside down in most of its policies.

A North American Union is a good idea. Make sure Mexico is in it so that country improves and they stop jumping fences into the southern states. We would have to include some other countries as well, like Cuba [to help them out], and maybe some of those small ones.

I'll conclude with "Stop the Anti-Ballistic Missile Shield!!!" [its too expensive and wont work]

Or would they? Perhaps they might object to signing themselves to America or Canada- but perhaps not a new country- for we'd get a chance to start over.

Canada stands for what America stands for and more.

Not really... are you a Canadian? Zeppistan! ask your wife or whatever she is for an IP check!!!

Ergh!!! Why havent we annexed the bastards yet?
Because you got your asses kicked the last time you tried, and secondly, if you did try to now, you'd have too many people against you.

I'm an American. I believe that Canada and America believe the same things for the most part, although Canada is a bit more liberal socially.

Because you got your asses kicked the last time you tried, and secondly, if you did try to now, you'd have too many people against you.

gugh, go read all the all the posts...

Canada becoming part of the USA would destroy Canada totally ...

Canada is a country with almost the best social security in the entire world , which really can't be said by of the US. So that would imply everybody in the states would be able to go to canada and get free surgery there ...
So Canada can't join usa cause it would ruin them or they have to give it up then ...

Also , I'm from Europe (belgium/brussels) . And went to NY and Montreal previous summer ... I don't think Canada and US ever can live together , it had a totally different mentality , Canadians are much more open and liberal then the USA is , they will never pass laws that affect the liberties of their inhabitants ...

I guess a canadian will more strongly oppose to a union then an american will , cause canadians will have to give up way too much liberties and securities

I want to move there- your conservatives seem to be more sane than the current Republican Party.

P.S.- Is Stephen Harper extreme-right?
Let's just say Bush and him are twins separated at birth... Fortunately, he lost the last election.

Not really... are you a Canadian? Zeppistan! ask your wife or whatever she is for an IP check!!!

lol - my wife is busy with the baby right now. Nor do I think she would be inclined to check up on members and post details for members who are not in violation of terms of service.

Incidentally, the bill I mentioned for those that are interested is: H.R. 3920:


A BILL
To allow Congress to reverse the judgments of the United States Supreme Court .


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Congressional Accountability for Judicial Activism Act of 2004'.

SEC. 2. CONGRESSIONAL REVERSAL OF SUPREME COURT JUDGMENTS.

The Congress may, if two thirds of each House agree, reverse a judgment of the United States Supreme Court --

(1) if that judgment is handed down after the date of the enactment of this Act; and

(2) to the extent that judgment concerns the constitutionality of an Act of Congress.

SEC. 3. PROCEDURE.

The procedure for reversing a judgment under section 2 shall be, as near as may be and consistent with the authority of each House of Congress to adopt its own rules of proceeding, the same as that used for considering whether or not to override a veto of legislation by the President.

SEC. 4. BASIS FOR ENACTMENT.

This Act is enacted pursuant to the power of Congress under article III, section 2, of the Constitution of the United States.



In other words, if the Supreme Court rules a new law unconstitutional, Congress will be allowed to say "So what!"

I dont think Americans would really like our higher taxes, even though they pay for every social program we have.

As for an American invasion, they could invade, but they will be up against 32 million people with hockey sticks and various other weapons at the border. Beside those people would be Ralph Klein and Stephen Harper with bouquets of flowers and welcome mats [someone ought to punch those two in the face]. A little known fact about Canada is that we have a much higher guns per capita than America, a few people own a lot of guns.

Canada becoming part of the USA would destroy Canada totally ...

Canada is a country with almost the best social security in the entire world , which really can't be said by of the US. So that would imply everybody in the states would be able to go to canada and get free surgery there ...
So Canada can't join usa cause it would ruin them or they have to give it up then ...

Also , I'm from Europe (belgium/brussels) . And went to NY and Montreal previous summer ... I don't think Canada and US ever can live together , it had a totally different mentality , Canadians are much more open and liberal then the USA is , they will never pass laws that affect the liberties of their inhabitants ...

I guess a canadian will more strongly oppose to a union then an american will , cause canadians will have to give up way too much liberties and securities

Christ... didnt you see where I said that to have it work both countries would have to keep their soveignty but elect officials to a national congress/parliament for trade issues, etc.? And i said that because of the social differences between the two countries.

Canada has pretty sensible guns laws, no? Such as you actually have to have a firearms education course?

lol - my wife is busy with the baby right now. Nor do I think she would be inclined to check up on members and post details for members who are not in violation of terms of service.

Incidentally, the bill I mentioned for those that are interested is: H.R. 3920:




In other words, if the Supreme Court rules a new law unconstitutional, Congress will be allowed to say "So what!"

lol, most bills and such never get passed but when they do they never resmble anything like the original

Sometimes they do. If the Congress can override the Supreme Court, that's scary. That would lead to dictatorship.

gugh, go read all the all the posts...
I did. I just happen to know my history. And secondly, if you guys did try to annex us in this current time, you'd get nowhere because you'd be seen as an aggressor against a peaceful nation which is known in the world as a peaceful one. There would be more countries on our side. :rolleyes:

And thirdly... Would you mind making that a coherent sentence, or did they not teach you that in school? Oh right...you went to school in America...no wonder.

A little known fact about Canada is that we have a much higher guns per capita than America, a few people own a lot of guns.

I still don't get why canadians almost have no ppl killed in gun accidents/year , and on the other hand USA is holding the record on that issue regarding they both have a LOT of guns/person

In Europe on the other hand , almost nobody has a gun ... except policemen ..
I'm 22 years old and still haven't seen any gun from a normal citizen(i've seen a private rifle tho)

I guess Canada is just a more sportsman like country. Perhaps people get along better.

Kryozerkia- Not all of us are stupid. I actually can write coherent sentences.

Christ... didnt you see where I said that to have it work both countries would have to keep their soveignty but elect officials to a national congress/parliament for trade issues, etc.? And i said that because of the social differences between the two countries.

An interesting concept, although it would be hard to manage the tenents of sovreignty while also being bound to a cooperative legislative process. After all, one would assume proportional representation which would mean that Canada would be unable to ensure that our own needs were not marginalized.

I think we work fairly well together on most issues, and keeping things somewhat adversarial is the only way that we - as the smaller entity - can protect our economic interests.

I did. I just happen to know my history. And secondly, if you guys did try to annex us in this current time, you'd get nowhere because you'd be seen as an aggressor against a peaceful nation which is known in the world as a peaceful one. There would be more countries on our side. :rolleyes:

And thirdly... Would you mind making that a coherent sentence, or did they not teach you that in school? Oh right...you went to school in America...no wonder.

no i will not mak th4t itoo a coh3arant sentance

Canada has pretty sensible guns laws, no? Such as you actually have to have a firearms education course?
Our gun laws are quite strict compared to the United States. If one wanted to purchase a firearm, they would need a purchasing license, and they would need an ownership license. They must also take a course in gun safety. Not too many people own guns here in Canada, hell, I can only think of one, my American neighbour across the street. I dont know the specifics of our gun control but I know its a little more strict.

An interesting concept, although it would be hard to manage the tenents of sovreignty while also being bound to a cooperative legislative process. After all, one would assume proportional representation which would mean that Canada would be unable to ensure that our own needs were not marginalized.

I think we work fairly well together on most issues, and keeping things somewhat adversarial is the only way that we - as the smaller entity - can protect our economic interests.

Well, since the US has a much larger population than Canada the elected representatives would not be elected by population to ensure equality, no?

[QUOTE=Octovonia] If one wanted to purchase a firearm, they would need a purchasing license, and they would need an ownership license. They must also take a course in gun safety. QUOTE]

That makes sense. People should at least know how and when to use a gun- you have too many idiots in this country who buy guns for no reason.

I guess Canada is just a more sportsman like country. Perhaps people get along better.

Kryozerkia- Not all of us are stupid. I actually can write coherent sentences.
It was more or less directed at Great Valia and others who CAN'T write coherently (but I should have added a disclaimer, eh?)

(P.S. This post is made by an American conservative who is actually considering moving to Canada at some point.)

Take it from a Canadian conservative, Canada is not the place to live for a conservative...

Meh. It's gotta be better than Bush's America. Bush and his pals scare the bejesus out of me.

Take it from a Canadian conservative, Canada is not the place to live for a conservative...
Yeah...you get too many rights and religion is at best on life support ;)

I'm a Christian- but religion has no place in government, I agree.

I love Canada and wish to move there someday. Canada is beautiful and the people are well educated and very nice. And isn't Marijuana decriminalized or about to be? It's at least not as taboo right?

It was more or less directed at Great Valia and others who CAN'T write coherently (but I should have added a disclaimer, eh?)

Hey, lay off. This isnt a Dictatorship and the last time I checked I was allowed to type how I pleased. Now, I can understand why you're angry at me (first post) its national pride. Thats fine, but dont go being a grammar Nazi screamign at people who dont capitalize, spell perfectly, and dont bother with commas, quotations, etc.

Yeah...you get too many rights and religion is at best on life support ;)
Screw religion, hasnt done me any good. I'm an atheist, raised catholic, but soon found the truth that religion is all just a big sham [of course thats only my opinion]. I havent gone to church with my family since I was 7.

lol - my wife is busy with the baby right now. Nor do I think she would be inclined to check up on members and post details for members who are not in violation of terms of service.

Incidentally, the bill I mentioned for those that are interested is: H.R. 3920:




In other words, if the Supreme Court rules a new law unconstitutional, Congress will be allowed to say "So what!"


Is this not a change to the constitution? If so the states would also have to vote on it.

You should at least have a decent command of the language. Don't type like a noob. Type normally, please.

You should at least have a decent command of the language. Don't type like a noob. Type normally, please.

I am typing nomally thank you very much. I just typed like that back there out of spite.

Zeppistan,

Not that the bill would ever pass, but do you know who introduced that bill by chance? If not, I can always go to the Library of Congress, but if you already know, that would be great.

Kryozerkia,

Our schools work just fine, thank you very much. More importantly, our higher education system has always been one of the best (if not the best) in the world. It's my belief that our education level is similar to that of the rest of the global north; some winners, some losers. I don't blame the schools, I blame lazy parents and students. There is a sense of entitlement that needs to be worked on.

I love Canada and wish to move there someday. Canada is beautiful and the people are well educated and very nice. And isn't Marijuana decriminalized or about to be? It's at least not as taboo right?

You're right, it's been decriminalized. And no, not taboo either.

Thank you, Naturius. You are right about education. The parents have to be responsible.

You're right, it's been decriminalized. And no, not taboo either.

Another good policy. Why should drugs be illegal?

You're right, it's been decriminalized. And no, not taboo either.
No, I dont think it has been, well not entirely. If it had been, my brother would be blazing right now with his friends on Parliament Hill. I thinks its in discussion currently in Commons, but it would also need to pass through Senate to be decriminalized. Its on its way. All it means that if you're caught with weed, you'll get fined, but not charged and it wont go on your criminal record [unless you're trafficking large quantities of course].

That's good. I believe that weed should be controlled by the government- so it can get it to those who need it, while preventing it from reaching the general population.

I want to move there- your conservatives seem to be more sane than the current Republican Party.

P.S.- Is Stephen Harper extreme-right?

DO NOT MOVE HERE! GOOD GOD IT BLOWS HERE!

Yes, Harper is a nutcase. In a nutshell, this is what the political parties are like there:

Liberals: Not liberal in any way shape or form. Center-right and exceedingly corrupt. Have been in power since 1993, and the next election is in 2007 at the earliest. Has a little under 40% of the vote.

Conservatives: About as conservative as the Republicans. They're bastards, in short. Has about 25% of the vote

Bloc Quebecois: French seperatatist party. They want Quebec to seperate and become a nation for French people. Oh, wait. They already have one.

NDP: Semi-socialist, fairly left-wing party. I like them. Has about 20% of the vote.

Marijuana Party: The name says it all.

Marxist-Leninist Party: Contradictory name. I'm not sure how sane they are, it depends whether they are Marxist or Leninist.

Seriously, don't move here. It's easily the shittiest country ever.

That's good. I believe that weed should be controlled by the government- so it can get it to those who need it, while preventing it from reaching the general population.

People who need it? what the f**k are you talking about? If you mean medicinal Marijuana then I think some states have already beat you to the chase.

I'm talking about those addicted who have no hope of recovery, and the medicinal marijuana crowd. Most people don't need weed, but some do. If the govt controls the supply- and gives it to those who need it only, then we have no problem.

DO NOT MOVE HERE! GOOD GOD IT BLOWS HERE!

Yes, Harper is a nutcase. In a nutshell, this is what the political parties are like there:

Liberals: Not liberal in any way shape or form. Center-right and exceedingly corrupt. Have been in power since 1993, and the next election is in 2007 at the earliest. Has a little under 40% of the vote.

Conservatives: About as conservative as the Republicans. They're bastards, in short. Has about 25% of the vote

Bloc Quebecois: French seperatatist party. They want Quebec to seperate and become a nation for French people. Oh, wait. They already have one.

NDP: Semi-socialist, fairly left-wing party. I like them. Has about 20% of the vote.

Marijuana Party: The name says it all.

Marxist-Leninist Party: Contradictory name. I'm not sure how sane they are, it depends whether they are Marxist or Leninist.

Seriously, don't move here. It's easily the shittiest country ever.
The Liberal Party were more centre-left in the last election. This term they'll have to stick to more left-wing ideas or the other three major parties could make a vote of no-confidence. The Liberals need the support of the NDP and the Bloc to bass bills and such, therefore they'll stick to more left-wing ideas.

The Marxist-Leninist party is weird, they think the USSR did communism all wrong [which they did of course] but no one votes for the ML so we dont need to worry about them.

I'm more of a Bloc/NDP person, their views are in line with how I think, except seperation of Quebec. The only thing I disagree with in our current leadership is their lack of a positive light on the military, its rotting, and we need it for our sovreignity, I dont want Canada to be the 51st state [though I'm sure Harper thinks otherwise].

I think they would. If you get rid of the religious right and the bad republicans, we're not that much different.

NONONONONO!!!! (screaming hysterically) WE ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, YOU HEAR ME!!!??? WE WILL NEVER BE LIKE YOU SICK UNITED STATERS (no really, what can I call you if I don't want to call you Americans, since American refers to anyone living in the Americas...any ideas??)!

Haven't you guys given up on manifest destiny? I mean, do you really want Canada? What the heck are you going to do with us? I mean, how would our relationship really change? Would you want Australia if it were closer? Go ahead and like us...just not THAT much...ok?

People who need it? what the f**k are you talking about? If you mean medicinal Marijuana then I think some states have already beat you to the chase.

Although the DEA still raids the places growing/distributing it.

And why shouldn't people get to smoke pot like they drink alcohol? Why shouldn't it just be regulated in the same way? Do you think that pot is even close to being as dangerous as alcohol? Aren't there shops you can get it at in some places in Canada?

I'm talking about those addicted who have no hope of recovery, and the medicinal marijuana crowd. Most people don't need weed, but some do. If the govt controls the supply- and gives it to those who need it only, then we have no problem.

Sorry, I dont think most people would allow their tax dollars to be blown on weed for addicts. Besides, its not like its Crack Cocaine or anything, and most of the pro drug posters would love to talk you down on how you can't get addicted to weed. And, unless i'm mistaken, I dont belive Canada has any such policy. (anyone care to clarify?)

One of my friends has Inflammatory Bowel Disease, he's allowed to grow medicinal marijuana, but doesnt because of his parents. When he tokes, he says his stomach feels a lot better, because at all other times, he's taking a sh*t.

I think Canada and the US are just too different with regard to their national 'belief systems' to unite. In general, I think Canada is more socialist in mentality in that we like the safety and security provided by a national healthcare and employment insurance system. Eveyone is looked after to a degree. We still have extreme poverty, but that goes for most places. As others have said, we are also a more left-leaning society, but we are also more inclined to being 'regulated'. I think that goes to the heart of our belief system...we like being taken care of by government, therefore we are less likely to balk at rules and regulations. We suck it up. On the other hand, we are very inclined to speak out when it comes to civil rights.

It seems the the US prides itself on independence and individual freedoms. The mentality is based on the belief that everyone can 'make it' if they try and are left to do their own thing. That if people fail, its their own fault and that no one else should have to take care of them. Its seems that same mentality believes government intervention/subsidy makes the nation lazy and people will just live off the system. I also think the US is very vocal about civil rights too.

That being said, I cant say either system is better...just different. In many ways we are the same, but our belief systems may be like oil and water....at least that's how it is between me and my American cousin when we get into discussions about our countries! In addition, I really cant see a union between Canada and the US being of any benefit to Canadians. Look at NAFTA.

I love Canada and wish to move there someday. Canada is beautiful and the people are well educated and very nice. And isn't Marijuana decriminalized or about to be? It's at least not as taboo right?

Actually, there was an impartial, international study done, and Canadians are the second rudest nation of people on earth. The United States is the second politest. I don't know how high you were when you saw it, because it's the ugliest country ever. We have a fucking two month summer and the trees only have leaves for 5 months of the year. It's very cold except for the summer, which isn't even dry heat. The people are not nice or educated. I've been here for 16 years and almost everyone is a self-superior asshole. Over half the population wholeheartedly believes they are actually smarter than Americans, which if you ask anyone with half a brain is statistically impossible. People will mock you for not knowing how many provinces there are, then make excuses if you ask how many states there are. Stay the hell away from this place.

Although the DEA still raids the places growing/distributing it.

And why shouldn't people get to smoke pot like they drink alcohol? Why shouldn't it just be regulated in the same way? Do you think that pot is even close to being as dangerous as alcohol? Aren't there shops you can get it at in some places in Canada?

To be honest, I dont know. I dont have enough credible information to have a real informed opinion on the matter so I guess im indefferent for the most part. But as to the DEA raiding the places growing it; why not subject said facilities to extremely strict government control to make sure none of the emplyees are distributing it on the side for a little extra cash. (sp? I know...)

And why shouldn't people get to smoke pot like they drink alcohol? Why shouldn't it just be regulated in the same way? Do you think that pot is even close to being as dangerous as alcohol?
Just because alcohol is legal and worse than pot dosen't mean that pot should be legal too. Alcohol is a much more mainstream drug, and you can't justify having one bad thing by pointing to something worse. Both are bad. Unfortunately, alcohol's here to stay. I don't see why that means we should allow pot, too.

Actually, there was an impartial, international study done, and Canadians are the second rudest nation of people on earth. The United States is the second politest. I don't know how high you were when you saw it, because it's the ugliest country ever. We have a fucking two month summer and the trees only have leaves for 5 months of the year. It's very cold except for the summer, which isn't even dry heat. The people are not nice or educated. I've been here for 16 years and almost everyone is a self-superior asshole. Over half the population wholeheartedly believes they are actually smarter than Americans, which if you ask anyone with half a brain is statistically impossible. People will mock you for not knowing how many provinces there are, then make excuses if you ask how many states there are. Stay the hell away from this place.
Jesus, Mary and Joseph, what the hell are you talking about. I'm Canadian as well and everyone I know is more polite than Mother Teresa. Sure our winters are cold and the summers really terrible, but you dont need to whine about it. I live in Southern/Central Ontario, our summers are hot and the winters mildly cold, and I've seen cold winters before, I used to live north of Ottawa. So many people are educated here, where the hell are you from [province-wise]?

Edit: How hard is it to know we have ten provinces and three territories? Have you made the mistake before? Is that why people call you an idiot?

DO NOT MOVE HERE! GOOD GOD IT BLOWS HERE!

Yes, Harper is a nutcase. In a nutshell, this is what the political parties are like there:

Liberals: Not liberal in any way shape or form. Center-right and exceedingly corrupt. Have been in power since 1993, and the next election is in 2007 at the earliest. Has a little under 40% of the vote.

Conservatives: About as conservative as the Republicans. They're bastards, in short. Has about 25% of the vote

Bloc Quebecois: French seperatatist party. They want Quebec to seperate and become a nation for French people. Oh, wait. They already have one.

NDP: Semi-socialist, fairly left-wing party. I like them. Has about 20% of the vote.

Marijuana Party: The name says it all.

Marxist-Leninist Party: Contradictory name. I'm not sure how sane they are, it depends whether they are Marxist or Leninist.

Seriously, don't move here. It's easily the shittiest country ever.

get the fuck out and leave it to those of us who appreciate it then.

Why do you think we consistently are ranked among the top five nations in the world in which to reside??

Why is it that so many other developing countries try and model their social systems on ours??

of course there is corruption, but that is almost inevitable. People like you make it possible by refusing to help change the problem and instead just point fingers as if they (you) could do better.

please leave.

Come to Norway instead, we're #1 according to the UN :P

If you are a conservative I'm not so sure, though. Norway is much like Canada, and Canada is supposed to be a good deal more socialist than the US. I would say Norway is a mix between Socialism and Capitalism.

Actually, there was an impartial, international study done, and Canadians are the second rudest nation of people on earth. The United States is the second politest. I don't know how high you were when you saw it, because it's the ugliest country ever. We have a fucking two month summer and the trees only have leaves for 5 months of the year. It's very cold except for the summer, which isn't even dry heat. The people are not nice or educated. I've been here for 16 years and almost everyone is a self-superior asshole. Over half the population wholeheartedly believes they are actually smarter than Americans, which if you ask anyone with half a brain is statistically impossible. People will mock you for not knowing how many provinces there are, then make excuses if you ask how many states there are. Stay the hell away from this place.

Well I was in Vancouver in July and it was gorgeous and I met several people and they were super nice and yes, during discussions with them I could tell they were very intelligent. Watching the news in Canada showed me just exactly how lacking we were in the States. They would actually give details to their stories and it would be mroe than a 1 minute babblefest.

You came from the states didn't you?

get the fuck out and leave it to those of us who appreciate it then.

Why do you think we consistently are ranked among the top five nations in the world in which to reside??

Why is it that so many other developing countries try and model their social systems on ours??

of course there is corruption, but that is almost inevitable. People like you make it possible by refusing to help change the problem and instead just point fingers as if they (you) could do better.

please leave.

I think you just proved whoever posted that study about Canadians being rude, point.

Hello All,

I love your dialog.. we find it amazing that a country as close to us as the USA is knows so little about us if you wonder about this check this http://home.comcast.net/~wwwstephen/americans/ it is a comedy show that is quiet popular. I find your conversations about the amalgamation of the USA and Canada quiet interesting. Is this a topic of interest? Because the vast majority of Canadians probably would not support such a move.

Most of you are right when you say we are liberals our political system is far left of yours ... we see your democrats as conservatives in Canada ... republicans scare most of us ,but, that is your democracy and it works very well for your people ...

Some Notes from the North

Marijuana is not decriminalized yet ... it is quiet controversial but has over 50% public support, it is not that serious of offence to be caught with less than 30 grams ... it is sort of like a speeding ticket but still may carry a criminal record.

The war of 1812 was the only time our two countries fought but during the civil war the confederates strayed into Canada as well as before the war Irish irregulars would raid into Canada ... they had passive support from the government. The US government had a policy of MANIFEST DESTINY which was that Canada belonged to the USA and would be eventually theirs ... in fact the Alaska purchase was primarily done to open up a second front against us dangerous Canadians.

US historians remember 1812 as a tie ... Canadian historians remember it as a Victory for a couple of reasons.

1.) We were invaded; we lost no land and no large loss of troops

2.) We counter invaded and took numerous forts, cities etc.

3.) We burned a couple cities (Including DC... yes we got the white house too) the star spangled banner was written during the siege of Baltimore
http://www.gbjann.com/anthem/history.htm

Now I don’t really care who won lost or tied .... Because both nations know that in the end we both lost.

Anyway Keep up the great discussions ... I love to hear opinions from our southern neighbors

To be honest, I dont know. I dont have enough credible information to have a real informed opinion on the matter so I guess im indefferent for the most part. But as to the DEA raiding the places growing it; why not subject said facilities to extremely strict government control to make sure none of the emplyees are distributing it on the side for a little extra cash. (sp? I know...)

I agree that they should be strict about growth and distribution

US historians remember 1812 as a tie ... Canadian historians remember it as a Victory for a couple of reasons.

1.) We were invaded; we lost no land and no large loss of troops

2.) We counter invaded and took numerous forts, cities etc.

3.) We burned a couple cities (Including DC... yes we got the white house too) the star spangled banner was written during the siege of Baltimore
http://www.gbjann.com/anthem/history.htm

Now I don’t really care who won lost or tied .... Because both nations know that in the end we both lost.

Anyway Keep up the great discussions ... I love to hear opinions from our southern neighbors

I thought it was the British who did all the pillaging and whatnot in the US during the war of 1812.

Ergh!!! Why havent we annexed the bastards yet?

Cus everyone knows that we Canadians, fighting in the woods, are worth 30 American soldiers and easily 100 Chinese soldiers. :D :mp5:

DO NOT MOVE HERE! GOOD GOD IT BLOWS HERE!
Seriously, don't move here. It's easily the shittiest country ever.

Oh, like Somalia, Afghanistan, or Bosnia is better? Your lucky to be in Canada, one of the best countries ever.

Just because alcohol is legal and worse than pot dosen't mean that pot should be legal too. Alcohol is a much more mainstream drug, and you can't justify having one bad thing by pointing to something worse. Both are bad. Unfortunately, alcohol's here to stay. I don't see why that means we should allow pot, too.

I don't wanna hijack this thread, I just want to point out that prohibition brings money to gangs and does not stop its distribution... it merely makes criminals out of what could otherwise be legitimate businessmen or consumers. It also helps kids get it easier because dealers don't have to card anyone.

Oh, like Somalia, Afghanistan, or Bosnia is better? Your lucky to be in Canada, one of the best countries ever.

:D

I think you just proved whoever posted that study about Canadians being rude, point.

i was trying to step on the one problem canadian do seem to have, and i say this as a very proud canadian.

We do not stand up for our country enough, in a political sense or otherwise.

There was no intent to offend anyone but the calous individual who wrote the previous statement.

And as far as people being more rude here, or superior, why do americans put canadian flags on their backpacks when they travel? The truth is that there are rude canadians, there are rude "americans" (we really should have a different name for you) and as well and just the same there are polite canadians and polite "americans".

Cus everyone knows that we Canadians, fighting in the woods, are worth 30 American soldiers and easily 100 Chinese soldiers. :D :mp5:
Well our soldiers are trained just as hard as the American Rangers, but we know our terrain and such and we could fight them. Chinese on the other hand could human wave us like they did in Korea, and again, we'll have our machine guns pointed in their direction.
Oh, like Somalia, Afghanistan, or Bosnia is better? Your lucky to be in Canada, one of the best countries ever.
Dont worry about him, he's an idiot. Canada is one of the best countries to live in, yet I guess he fails to understand that.

I don't wanna hijack this thread, I just want to point out that prohibition brings money to gangs and does not stop its distribution... it merely makes criminals out of what could otherwise be legitimate businessmen or consumers. It also helps kids get it easier because dealers don't have to card anyone.

What? So you're saying if we legalize weed kids can get thier fix much easier because dealers wont have to card them? Beg your pardon, but are you on crack or something?

BTW sumamba, show me a link to this case study you so formally introduced into the discussion.

i would very much like to see that.

i was trying to step on the one problem canadian do seem to have, and i say this as a very proud canadian.

We do not stand up for our country enough, in a political sense or otherwise.

There was no intent to offend anyone but the calous individual who wrote the previous statement.

And as far as people being more rude here, or superior, why do americans put canadian flags on their backpacks when they travel? The truth is that there are rude canadians, there are rude "americans" (we really should have a different name for you) and as well and just the same there are polite canadians and polite "americans".

Well, I guess you could call us United Statians but that would be silly wouldnt it? And yes, there are rude people everywhere but I have noticed that Canadians on these boards do seem to be rude and arrogant. (I have never heard of americans putting Canadian flags on their backpacks when they travel)

Is this not a change to the constitution? If so the states would also have to vote on it.

No, it is not an ammendment. It simply limits the ability of the Supreme Court to rule effectively on the Constitutionality of laws passed by Congress.

And to whoever it was that asked, it was sponsored by: Ron Lewis and cosponsored by 26 others:

Rep Aderholt, Robert B. [AL-4] - 3/30/2004
Rep Ballenger, Cass [NC-10] - 3/30/2004
Rep Bilirakis, Michael [FL-9] - 6/2/2004
Rep Carter, John R. [TX-31] - 4/28/2004
Rep Coble, Howard [NC-6] - 3/9/2004
Rep Collins, Mac [GA-8] - 3/9/2004
Rep DeMint, Jim [SC-4] - 3/9/2004
Rep Doolittle, John T. [CA-4] - 3/9/2004
Rep Duncan, John J., Jr. [TN-2] - 3/18/2004
Rep Everett, Terry [AL-2] - 3/9/2004
Rep Feeney, Tom [FL-24] - 3/18/2004
Rep Franks, Trent [AZ-2] - 3/9/2004
Rep Goode, Virgil H., Jr. [VA-5] - 3/9/2004
Rep Hefley, Joel [CO-5] - 3/9/2004
Rep Herger, Wally [CA-2] - 3/18/2004
Rep Johnson, Sam [TX-3] - 3/18/2004
Rep Jones, Walter B., Jr. [NC-3] - 3/18/2004
Rep Kingston, Jack [GA-1] - 3/9/2004
Rep Manzullo, Donald A. [IL-16] - 3/18/2004
Rep Pence, Mike [IN-6] - 3/18/2004
Rep Pitts, Joseph R. [PA-16] - 3/9/2004
Rep Pombo, Richard W. [CA-11] - 3/9/2004
Rep Schrock, Edward L. [VA-2] - 4/28/2004
Rep Sessions, Pete [TX-32] - 3/30/2004
Rep Smith, Nick [MI-7] - 3/18/2004
Rep Souder, Mark E. [IN-3] - 4/28/2004



Its current status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Courts, the Internet, and Intellectual Property.

Canada is a country with almost the best social security in the entire world , which really can't be said by of the US. So that would imply everybody in the states would be able to go to canada and get free surgery there ...
So Canada can't join usa cause it would ruin them or they have to give it up then ...

Um, Canada's socialized health care system is awful. I have alot of friends who live in Quebec, and all I ever here about their health care is horror stories. It's much better to live in the US and have health insurance if you are sick.

Other than that though, I generally like canadians.

What? So you're saying if we legalize weed kids can get thier fix much easier because dealers wont have to card them? Beg your pardon, but are you on crack or something?


lol... no no no no

Prohibition makes it easier for kids to get it because illegal dealers dont give a flying fudge brownie what yoru age is.

Yes, the US did invade Canada in 1812 with the intent of taking it. They signed a "stalemate" ceasefire, however that's just for the history books. The fact that not an inch of Canada was taken would certainly suggest Canada did in fact win, given the US didn't succeed in it's objective.
at the the end of the war the US and birtian sign a treaty make the the bordergo cut though the St. lawrence(starting form the edge New Brunswick)and four of the great lakest then strait to the lake of the woods were it wold then follow the 49th pallarel until it hit the Oreagon territories, which for the time being would be jointly ruled(a few years later it was divided of the 49th as well.) so i little ground was losted and gained be both sides but the US did gain more gound than the brits did.

BTW sumamba, show me a link to this case study you so formally introduced into the discussion.

i would very much like to see that.


I'm sorry I don't know what case study you are talking about.

Actually, there was an impartial, international study done, and Canadians are the second rudest nation of people on earth. The United States is the second politest. I don't know how high you were when you saw it, because it's the ugliest country ever. We have a fucking two month summer and the trees only have leaves for 5 months of the year. It's very cold except for the summer, which isn't even dry heat. The people are not nice or educated. I've been here for 16 years and almost everyone is a self-superior asshole. Over half the population wholeheartedly believes they are actually smarter than Americans, which if you ask anyone with half a brain is statistically impossible. People will mock you for not knowing how many provinces there are, then make excuses if you ask how many states there are. Stay the hell away from this place.


Hmmm, this mythical study of which you speak.... YOU were the respondent to it on behalf of Canada right?

Incidentally, if you've been in Canada for 16 years and still don't know how many provinces there are when asked, then yes - you deserve to be mocked.

lol... no no no no

Prohibition makes it easier for kids to get it because illegal dealers dont give a flying fudge brownie what yoru age is.


(insert blushing smiley here) Sorry, I read that all wrong.

Um, Canada's socialized health care system is awful. I have alot of friends who live in Quebec, and all I ever here about their health care is horror stories. It's much better to live in the US and have health insurance if you are sick.

Other than that though, I generally like canadians.
Thats because line-ups and waiting times in the ER are massive because some over-protective moms send their kids to the ER for scratches on their elbows. Fortunately, I've never been to be treated for anything, but I know people who have waited 3 hours+ to get x-rays and such. People show up in the ER expecting it to be like a clinic to get treatment for the flu. People here simply flood the ER with needless problems.

Thats because line-ups and waiting times in the ER are massive because some over-protective moms send their kids to the ER for scratches on their elbows. Fortunately, I've never been to be treated for anything, but I know people who have waited 3 hours+ to get x-rays and such. People show up in the ER expecting it to be like a clinic to get treatment for the flu. People here simply flood the ER with needless problems.

Or maybe its simply going broke really fast and all the doctors are moving to America so they can make a living?

(insert blushing smiley here) Sorry, I read that all wrong.

heh, it's alright I can see how that would have been read wrong.

Do you agree with my thought on this though?

Well, I guess you could call us United Statians but that would be silly wouldnt it? And yes, there are rude people everywhere but I have noticed that Canadians on these boards do seem to be rude and arrogant. (I have never heard of americans putting Canadian flags on their backpacks when they travel)

it just seems strange to have the term taken over, American refers to someone living in the americas (at least it did at one point), that goes right from north to south - not from the 49th down to the mexican border.

whichever, i suppose it doesnt really matter - splitting hairs really.

and i have not only seen americans sew flags on, but laugh about the benefits of doing so. The only problem with it for them seems to be that apparently canadians are pretty cheap tourists (spending, tipping etc) and so they end up branded by that. But unfortunately (and i know that this is not true for all) americans have a reputation for being ignorant of other cultures, and expect more of other countries as far as understanding their own. Ie: "what do you mean you wont you accept american money here??", "oh look they're celebrating independance day early (canada day fireworks celebration, July 1st) - stupid bastards" quotes actually heard just over a month ago here in white rock BC, just north of the washington border. The sad thing is that ignorant people like this give the good ones the same bad rep. and im sure the same goes for canadians.

Or maybe its simply going broke really fast and all the doctors are moving to America so they can make a living?
Well we put a lot of money into our healthcare system, but nothing really appears to happen with it. One problem we have with our doctors is that they are underpaid, so they move to the US. Also, many immigrants who come to Canada with higher education never seem to be qualified for jobs here. My friend's mother, was a research-chemist in Poland, but since she's moved here, she's been a hair-stylist, because here credentials are not enough here. The same thing happens to doctor who immigrate to Canada from third-world countries and are obviously well-educated in the field of medicine [as they studied in Europe for the most part]. Its a real problem.

lol... no no no no

Prohibition makes it easier for kids to get it because illegal dealers dont give a flying fudge brownie what yoru age is.
Which is exactly why underage drinking and smoking is not a problem.

The idea that letting people above 18 (or 21, or whatever) have pot and it won't fall into teenagers' hands just like cigarettes and alcohol does seems pretty suprising to me.

I thought it was the British who did all the pillaging and whatnot in the US during the war of 1812.

The Americans attacked York (now Toronto) in 1812 and burnt the Upper Canada Parliament Building. At the time, it was the first such building in Upper Canada (constructed in 1792). The following year the British attacked Washington and burnt the White House in retaliation.

Lots of people know about the British and the White House. Fewer know why they torched it.

I know about the old Parliament - I live next to it. Those of you passing through Toronto, tip your hats if you drive past the intersection at Parliament and Front Streets. The charred ruins are currently underneath a very exciting car dealership.

Which is exactly why underage drinking and smoking is not a problem.

First it looks like you are proving my point.

The idea that letting people above 18 (or 21, or whatever) have pot and it won't fall into teenagers' hands just like cigarettes and alcohol does seems pretty suprising to me.

And then it seems like you completely lost the point. Or maybe I just didn't fully understand your point. Anyway I think you should start a new thread if you want to continue this discussion.

First it looks like you are proving my point.

I was being sarcastic. Underage drinking and smoking is a huge problem in the US.

Actually, there was an impartial, international study done, and Canadians are the second rudest nation of people on earth. The United States is the second politest.

The UN also did a study (on western nations) the found Canada has the second best overall education and the US has the 15th out of 30 nations.

And in Canada Hell's Agnels give old ladies rides up hills, and it's safe to ask stoners for direntions (if they are currently capable of thinking straight).

I don't know how high you were when you saw it, because it's the ugliest country ever. We have a fucking two month summer and the trees only have leaves for 5 months of the year. It's very cold except for the summer, which isn't even dry heat. The people are not nice or educated. I've been here for 16 years and almost everyone is a self-superior asshole.
Canada is on of the most beautiful nations in the world. Other than are Urban centres are cities are covered it tree, and even it the big cities there some sort of park not far away.

Over half the population wholeheartedly believes they are actually smarter than Americans, which if you ask anyone with half a brain is statistically impossible.
many Americans I talk to think Canada is mostly if not fully swon covered year around. Turth of the matter is that Americans generaly know ever little about the the rest of the world. a good refence is "this hour has 22-mins: talking to americans". The ever got bill cliton to think are Prime Minister was named Jean Poutine.

I was wondering, are there many other Americans who actually like Canada?(P.S. This post is made by an American conservative who is actually considering moving to Canada at some point.)

I do - I may also move there, maybe someplace like Quebec City once my French improves

a good refence is "this hour has 22-mins: talking to americans". The ever got bill cliton to think are Prime Minister was named Jean Poutine.
It wasnt Clinton, it was Bush, I saw the rerun of the episode last week. Clinton had a brain, and golfed with Chretien on a regular basis. Bush on the otherhand...

Talking to Americans was pure genius and Rick Mercer is quite hilarious. I remember one where he convinced a US governor [dont remember which] that Canada is remodelling its capitol building on that state's capitol building, except that it would be made of ice. He had another funny one when he convinced a zoologist-student that Canada is starting up its annual rhino cull, killing the beasts with the infamous Timbits.

I was being sarcastic. Underage drinking and smoking is a huge problem in the US.

ah hah! *slaps forehead*

You are right that it is a problem. I didn't mean to make it sound like it was impossible for kids to get alcohol. But you don't see people out on the street peddling alcohol or ciggs to underage kids because of the fact that it's not profitable to do so. It's much easier for a kid to get weed from a classmate than it is alcohol or tobacco. For those things they need to get an adult to hook them up. THat or a shady liquor store clerk, which of course happens but they get in trouble big time and it happens much less than illegal drug deals. Take the money away fromt eh gangs and give it to legitimate business and tax it. It could be a huge industry for the US and we could save lotsa money on the "war on drugs" which certainly has done nothing to stop drugs from flooding every facet of the US. And our Prisons are filled with non-violent offenders who have nothing more than a substance abuse problem.

ok, this is the last hijacking of this thread I will do. pardon me and my boxcutter.

The UN also did a study (on western nations) the found Canada has the second best overall education and the US has the 15th out of 30 nations.

You also have to remember that the US has 10 times as many people as Canada shoved into an area that is much smaller. And our population is much more diverse.

You also have to remember that the US has 10 times as many people as Canada shoved into an area that is much smaller. And our population is much more diverse.
True apart from the diverse population. Canada has as much diversity in his population than the US.

Just wanted to point that out. ;)

I do - I may also move there, maybe someplace like Quebec City once my French improves
BAH! In with those damned separists?! Move somewhere GOOD!!

I love Canada. Nothing but good feelings towards my neighbors way up north. We may be experiences a bit of a strain in our relationship at the moment, but what friendships never endure such periods? I'll tell ya what friendship is, that's Canadians putting their lives on the line to smuggle Americans out of Iran in 1979. I for one will never forget that.

have a look at this more recent
http://www.glasnost.de/hist/usa/1935invasion.html

At that time, the U.S. had plans to go to war with any country in the globe. It was normal.

True apart from the diverse population. Canada has as much diversity in his population than the US.
Just wanted to point that out.

Not really...your rate of citizens who are not of white european decent is about 10%. The US is closer to 30%.

have a look at this more recent
http://www.glasnost.de/hist/usa/1935invasion.html

I would imagine somewhere we probably have even a newer one than that. I mean, that's what war colleges do, make plans for every possible scenario.

Not really...your rate of citizens who are not of white european decent is about 10%. The US is closer to 30%.
WE also have about 32 million people and you guys have how many??!!

The UN also did a study (on western nations) the found Canada has the second best overall education and the US has the 15th out of 30 nations.

Canada is on of the most beautiful nations in the world. Other than are Urban centres are cities are covered it tree, and even it the big cities there some sort of park not far away.


I think America needs to revamp its educational system big time. We just need to stop giving less money to public schools in poor areas. Public schools in wealthy areas are a lot like private schools, while in poor areas they are like prisons/nurserys. It's pathetic.

And yeah in Vancouver I saw this skyscraper with trees on several levels. The architecture of their skyscrapers is awesome too. I liek it a lot better than those I have seen in the states.

We do need to revamp the system. It's failing our kids. Let's give them vouchers to give them a chance- while shaking up the systems.

Kryozerkia- The U.S. has about 285 million

We do need to revamp the system. It's failing our kids. Let's give them vouchers to give them a chance- while shaking up the systems.

Kryozerkia- The U.S. has about 285 million

Vouchers sounds like a nice idea but they only pay for part of the cost of private schools, and poor people really cant afford to pay for the rest (and the money for the vouchers is money that is taken away from public schools). I would rather we just make public schooling acceptable.

My voucher program would cover the whole cost of sending a child to private school. Most parochial schools are reasonable- about $ 3,000 for grade school and $7,000 for high school. We also need to reduce bureacracy in schools.

The U.S. has about 285 million
So, it's easier with a huge population in a country that allows (or use to) allow massive immigration to have more diversity.

Aren't most private schools religiously based? I don't think that forcing religion down a kids throat should be necessary in getting a good education.

Not really...your rate of citizens who are not of white european decent is about 10%. The US is closer to 30%.

Actually, overall our immigrant population was at 18.4% overall in 2001 - and over 25% in both Ontario and BC. And if you think that most of our immigrants these days are from Europe..... you are very much incorrect.

http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/demo46a.htm

Compare that to the 9.5% of total US population:

http://www.rapidimmigration.com/usa/1_eng_immigration_facts.html


Indeed, there are over 5 million Canadians who list neither French nor English as their mother tongue (nearly 1 milion of whom list Chinese), which is not far behind the 6.7 Million francophone Canadians.

http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/demo11a.htm

Yes, we have a smaller black component to our population, but then again that is a function of our not being involved in the slave trade in the same way rather than as a function of immigration. And the bulk of the black community in the US has grown up for generations within America. Ours is far more immediately tied to their country of origin which implies a high level of cultural diversity from people who grew up immersed in the cultures of diferent lands.

This is in no way to denigrate the African American culture as it certainly has added a lot to the US - but our African component still mostly actually remember Africa. That is a diference worth noting.

Hi all, just thought I'd throw in a few thoughts from a Canadian in Vancouver (west coast). I'm far too lazy to comb through all of the other posts to quote, so if I mis-cite something just ignore me. ;)

I don't think that most Canadians would want to join the US in creating a homogenized country. Yes, we're similar demographically, but often a large part of how we see ourselves is by showing how we're not Americans.

"Shall we move to a two-tiered health care system?" "No! That's the American way!"

Silly, eh?

Earlier people were talking about guns. Someone mentioned that Canadians per capita have more guns than Americans do. Which is true, but nobody seemed to distinguish that they aren't handguns. When you go to buy a gun, you have to show your certification card, which you get after taking the Federal course. That's the point at which most of the background checks and whatnot take place. You still usually show additional ID when you go to buy your gun or ammunition, so that people can't borrow/steal the card from another.

I grew up in a house without guns, and I can't say I remember any of my neighbours that had them, but I do have some relatives that hunt. And that's pretty much what all those guns are for - meat hunting. If you don't mind a constant diet of deer sandwiches, it's a lot cheaper. ;)

There's probably not much to add about the decriminalization of pot that hasn't already been said in this thread, but I'll give you the perspective from someone in the west (which is traditionally pretty lax anyway).

No, it's not legal to have. But practically speaking, if you're smoking and a cop sees you, usually you'll have to put it out and it gets taken/destroyed. Sometimes a warning, sometimes a fine. Even though the legislation isn't quite decided on the matter, practically speaking you don't go to jail for toking. What a waste of space that would be!

Here in Vancouver there are a few stores that openly sell pot. I don't know just what sort of licenses they have to do it, but it can't be easy or there would be many many more. Sorry I can't go into more detail on that.

Also, Canada now has a few clean injection sites. Basically, it's a place where people can go to shoot their heroin. No, heroin isn't legal or decriminalized. The idea, however, is that if someone is going to die when they shoot up, it tends to happen in the first few minutes. This is a place where you sit in front of what looks like a bank teller's window, are given a clean disposable needle, safe water, and whatever else you need (not the drugs themselves, although you can have your drugs inspected to see if they're tainted) to shoot. You do it in front of someone who's basically there to make sure you live through the process. Drug addict or not, you're a person. We want you to live.

An interesting sidenote to the safe injection sites - they haven't been around yet for definitive studies, but it appears that we've actually had a decrease in people starting to use heroin because suddenly it seems so... unglamorous. It's just sick people with dependency taking another hit.

The health care system. Our pride and albatross, all rolled into one. :P Yes, everybody gets medical care. Yes, it's mostly free (depending on how much money you make, you pay various monthly fees. For a single person, I'm unaware of anybody paying more than $36) and yes it's very crowded. It's also very expensive. But the loss of doctors isn't quite what everybody thinks.

The thing is, there's sort of a quota of how many doctors are certified each year. For GPs there may not even be a quota. But for neurosurgeons (my brother's fiance's father is one), there are TWO certified every year. And there aren't new positions for doctors being created at the rate that doctors are produced. So... more doctors, not enough positions. Is there any wonder that trained doctors are going where there are jobs available? If doctors with positions here vacate to follow the money south of the border, then new doctors take their place. Simple enough. :)

And of the little bits that are left in this already rambling post... Americans sewing the Canadian flag on their backpack when they travel. From what I understand, some do it. Because there's a lot of anti-American sentiment out in the world, and people don't want to be targets. Not that the maple leaf is a shield, but at least you won't suddenly find yourself held accountable by someone for decades of frustration at a country they reach.

Canadians are one of the rudest? I haven't heard of this supposed study, and nobody posted a link, but how are you going just rude? "Black hole" is an obscene term when translated into Russian. A "fag" is a cigarette in Britain. Rudeness is a hard thing to quantify. Sure, some people who identify as Canadian have responded somewhat vehemently even in thread, but that doesn't prove anything. I'll leave the rudeness issue to all the #(*%ing #*)holes that want to worry about it. ;)

Education - we're about like the US. Tuition keeps going up, but it's still cheaper than some places so people from other countries come here, get their degree, and leave. I don't have any figures, but most of the people I know have at least a BA.

And weather - yeah, we're in the north. No, you don't hit a five meter (sixteen feet for you Imperial users) wall of snow at the border. In Vancouver, it's warm from at least April on, sometimes from March on. Doesn't start getting cold until a few weeks into October. Doesn't snow much here anymore either. Other locations will vary.

And finally, about Americans being ignorant of Canada. So what? We know lots about what's going on in the US because we get lots of American television. All of us have CNN. So often we can see the same news you see. Do you get a lot of Canadian television down there? Who wants to watch domestic Canadian news?

I know there's fifty states, and in a pinch I could probably list them off. I couldn't do all the capitals though. I'm not really concerned if you can do the same for the provinces and territories. Now if you've lived here for a while, then maybe I'd expect you to know that. Or to know that the ten dollar bill is purple. Otherwise... all of my fellow smug Canadians - do you know the names of the Tokyo districts in Japan? Or the protectorates in Russia? Don't get your backs up when someone doesn't know something about us.

Okay, this post went on far longer than necessary, and I doubt I enlightened anybody about anything anyway. I'm going to go resolve the issues in my nation now. Maybe knock down that 100% tax rate.

Ciao. ;)

Okay, this post went on far longer than necessary, and I doubt I enlightened anybody about anything anyway. I'm going to go resolve the issues in my nation now. Maybe knock down that 100% tax rate.

Ciao. ;)

Well I found it an interesting read. So you CAN buy pot in some stores there! :eek: What kind of stores? Is this in Vancouver?

Also that thing about clean needle sites and taking the glamour out of it's use was very thought-provoking.

Thanks :)

Ergh!!! Why havent we annexed the bastards yet?

If I had my way we would.

Ok in all seriousness, I have no problem with Canada. It's a cool place, and a bunch of cool people come out of Canada.

From the CIA Fact Book...

Canada's Demographics

British Isles origin 28%, French origin 23%, other European 15%, Amerindian 2%, other, mostly Asian, African, Arab 6%, mixed background 26%

Not meaning to argue, but it is mostly white european. The US population is alot more diverse than that, and that's not even looking at the millions of migrant workers who are here illegally.

Where the US is

African 12.3%, American Indian 0.9%, Asian 3.6%, Hawaiian 0.1%,
other race 5.5%, two or more races 2.4%, Latino 12.5%, White persons 69.1%

I'm afraid we don't get Canadian TV down here- the media is so corrupt, I wish we did. So I watch the next best thing- the BBC.

Where the US is

African 12.3%, American Indian 0.9%, Asian 3.6%, Hawaiian 0.1%,
other race 5.5%, two or more races 2.4%, Latino 12.5%, White persons 69.1%

12.3% African? Hm, I always thought it was a little higher.

I'm afraid we don't get Canadian TV down here- the media is so corrupt, I wish we did. So I watch the next best thing- the BBC.

Nooo! Our TV stations don't broadcast football (soccer)!!!!

Hispanics have even surged into the largest minority group...and I don't even believe that includes illegals, though I may be wrong.

I'm not into sports- but you're welcome to take ESPN.

From the CIA Fact Book...

Canada's Demographics

British Isles origin 28%, French origin 23%, other European 15%, Amerindian 2%, other, mostly Asian, African, Arab 6%, mixed background 26%

Not meaning to argue, but it is mostly white european. The US population is alot more diverse than that, and that's not even looking at the millions of migrant workers who are here illegally.

Where the US is

African 12.3%, American Indian 0.9%, Asian 3.6%, Hawaiian 0.1%,
other race 5.5%, two or more races 2.4%, Latino 12.5%, White persons 69.1%
If I add quickly the "White european" from Canada, I come with 66% to US 69,1% if white persons. I don't see where we are so different...

WE also have about 32 million people and you guys have how many??!!

Close to, or over 400 million. Not sure though.

Aren't most private schools religiously based? I don't think that forcing religion down a kids throat should be necessary in getting a good education.

No, just catholic schools. There's numerous secular private schools in the US. Why would you say that?

I would say that most of the mixed background 26% is white European of mixed decent primarily. When you have 66% white european and 8% other, most of the "mixes" are going to tend to be mixes of those three white european decents.... :)

Close to, or over 400 million. Not sure though.

Nah, closer to 300 million....

Nah, closer to 300 million....

293,027,571 (July 2004 est.)

whoops see!!!

293,027,571 (July 2004 est.)

whoops see!!!

Don't worry, You're only off by a 100 million. :)

Don't worry, You're only off by a 100 million. :)

:(

I thought it was mostly anti-French propaganda, not anti-Canada.

I think Canada's a great country. I might move there if Bush is elected or if he steals the Presidency again.

Same here. Who knows- my family may, by some act of god, get stationed in Canada. Anyway, I might go to college in Canada.

I would say that most of the mixed background 26% is white European of mixed decent primarily. When you have 66% white european and 8% other, most of the "mixes" are going to tend to be mixes of those three white european decents.... :)
That is not the case. You cannot interpret the data that way.
Here is amore accurate data of canada. (http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/demo26a.htm)

From Sumamba Buwhan:

"Well I found it an interesting read. So you CAN buy pot in some stores there! What kind of stores? Is this in Vancouver?"

Yes, this is in Vancouver. I've gone by them many times, but never actually inside (I don't partake, myself). They look like coffee shops or cafes, with some paraphenalia on display, and of course a big spikey leaf in the window or on the awning (all the ones I know are on the same street ;) ). I don't really know too much about them though. Maybe I should go in and have a look around so I don't keep talking out of my hat. :P

Also from Sumamba Buwhan:

"Also that thing about clean needle sites and taking the glamour out of it's use was very thought-provoking."

Like I said, the one in Vancouver hasn't been in operation for very long, although it did open ahead of getting clearance from the government. There was a need and the people involved were tired of the endless dragging of feet that seems to be a government prerequisite. :P They were legitimized shortly afterwards, since it was a fait accompli anyway.

And since it hasn't been open very long, any data about how it affects society at large will be highly suspect, but it seems that new use is on the decline. Note that this is not at all a treatment center, just a means to keep people alive. Just like I'm sure any Republican would help someone bleeding in the street without asking "how do you vote?". ;)

That is not the case. You cannot interpret the data that way.

That is certainly a better list but it still shows most white european....the big exceptions being: 936,210 Chinese, 455,805 Native Americans, 581,665 East Indians, 266,140 Filipino, 138,180 Jamacians, and 119,120 Vietnamese. That right around 8%...assume another 2% in smaller groups and mixed groups that don't include white europeans and you're right around the 10% I claimed.

I might go to college in Canada.
that would be an excellent call.
Canada has some amazing universities for about a quarter of the price of american schools

That is certainly a better list but it still shows most white european....the big exceptions being: 936,210 Chinese, 455,805 Native Americans, 581,665 East Indians, 266,140 Filipino, 138,180 Jamacians, and 119,120 Vietnamese. That right around 8%...assume another 2% in smaller groups and mixed groups that don't include white europeans and you're right around the 10% I claimed.
Well, depends on wich number you take really. Even if I take, like you the single responses, you assume that everybody that said 'Canadian' is automatically of white european descent. That is simply not the case.

The better number to use is the first column, total responses. And those show a really diverse culture.

Besides, I live here and I can tell you this: In the country, maybe 5% are not of european descent, but in the cities, the white guy is in minority.

That is certainly a better list but it still shows most white european....
The thing is, it depends where in Canada you are.

If you are in the Maritimes, yeah, its mostly WHite European. That is because the economy is struggling out there and there isn't a lot if immigrants. However in the major centres like Toronto and Montreal, the racial diversity is enormous.

From Sevaris:

"I'm afraid we don't get Canadian TV down here- the media is so corrupt, I wish we did. So I watch the next best thing- the BBC."

I'm a big fan of the BBC too. We have our biased media of course, but it's a different sort of bias. We really are a more liberal-leaning country, so that's how we see the stories.

But our biased media is nothing like what you have down in the States. :O To me, it's the craziest thing. I'm sitting in a hotel room, and I flip on the tv. MAROON ALERT!

Maroon alert? What does that mean? Ahhhh, I'm supposed to be careful because "someone" could "do something" at "any time". Thanks for the tip, guys. Get back to me when you know something. :P

That, and the nationalism. I personally never understand that much, but to see it so much more down south... weird.

The author David Brin has a mantra that he's mentioned several times, that he says people should say before they do something or make a decision. Take a deep breath and say this out loud: "I am a member of a civilization."

Now what were you saying about protecting your borders by flattening the rest of the globe? ;)

A North American Union is a great idea that will more than likely never come to be. There's the whole question of American sovereignty. That's something that we would never give up. Unless, of course, or economy begins to falter, partly due to the emerging strength of the EU (which, I might add, is a great idea.) That's the only way I can see a North American Union. Would we include the other states of Central America?

Yeah, we'd let in the nations of Central America. But are they not as developed like Mexico? Hmm, could cause a problem. But it'd be great having the NAU sort of like the Europeans are doing.

Then other countries with people that have cultural ties could unite. East Asia! Russia and the former Soviet Republics! Middle East (well sort of)! Australia, New Zealand, and Oceania! Africa (well sort of again)!

Besides, I live here and I can tell you this: In the country, maybe 5% are not of european descent, but in the cities, the white guy is in minority.

I've only been to Montreal a couple times, so I don't really remember too much. But I spend alot of time in Quebec City and everybody there is white. I think it'd be a savager hunt all over the city looking for minorities.

The better number to use is the first column, total responses. And those show a really diverse culture.

Yeah, that shows people of mixed origin though, and I'll stand by my previous logic that in a country that is mostly white, most of the mixes are going to have mostly white in them..... :D

Well, depends on wich number you take really. Even if I take, like you the single responses, you assume that everybody that said 'Canadian' is automatically of white european descent.

Yeah, the canadian thing confused me....I assume it means people who have been there for a considerable number of generations, which would lend itself to be primarily white europeans. Haha, in any case, I still stand by the fact that we have alot more minorities here in the USA.... :D

Yeah, the canadian thing confused me....I assume it means people who have been there for a considerable number of generations, which would lend itself to be primarily white europeans. Haha, in any case, I still stand by the fact that we have alot more minorities here in the USA.... :D
Then we'll have to agree on disagreeing.

One last thing about the CIA data: Why is there data on british and french descent on the Canadian stats but only white people on the US stats? It looks like they weren't using the same basis for the 2 census.

One last thing about the CIA data: Why is there data on british and french descent on the Canadian stats but only white people on the US stats? It looks like they weren't using the same basis for the 2 census.

The CIA fact book report actually didn't do a good job on America, so I went to one of the census pages instead. For some reason it didn't break out hispanics from the white population.....really weird.

Any minority that you can find in the US you can find in Canada. What does it matter what percentage of them there are (they look pretty close to the same to me)? Didn't this come up because of a comment about education in Canada being better?

And damn, the CIA can't seem to get anything right anymore.

Any minority that you can find in the US you can find in Canada. What does it matter what percentage of them there are (they look pretty close to the same to me)? Didn't this come up because of a comment about education in Canada being better?

Yeah it did, on the comment that a larger and more diverse population in a smaller area is harder to educate. The diversity can lead to all sorts of inter-racial problems in the school system. Even here in Florida, most of the schools have problems between the black gangs and the white gangs and the spanish gangs and the asian gangs. When you have students of all different backgrounds and cultures, it introduces a whole new set of problems into the school system.

I've always been fond of Canada myself. Where all of this hatred for our neighbors to the North comes from, I'll never know. Is it just popular to insult Canada? Is that what Americans are, a country that bullies other countries? I don't think that we are, but one may get that perception. Canada is a beautiful place, and not too much different from our own country. I do not see anything positive coming out of invading Canada. I don't believe that an annex would work either, unless we were talking about a union between the two. At that point, we would want to invite a union between Mexico as well. Of course, neither nation would want that for everyone knows that the center of that power would lie in D.C.

Yes, America does in fact bully other nations to do their bidding. But that's only the government. I'm not sure if the people do that.

Visit one of the Canadian sites of US 1812 battles, such as Queenston Heights near Niagara-on-the-Lake Ontario, if you want a factual account of our miserable military failures.

The Montello Tower in St. John's New Brunswick has a good accurate record too.

Canada would give up a higher quality of living if they merged with the US; every internationally accepted gauge shows them ahead of us in this regard, so why would they want to give up a good thing?

Canada also has better air and water, as well as chocolate, ice cream, and beer.

I also like Big Red Sea and Boys In The Hall. And Leonard Cohen.

Do you mean Kids in the Hall?

You know, with all the anti-Canada propaganda out there merely because they chose not to go into Iraq, I was wondering, are there many other Americans who actually like Canada? I like the country- it seems to be a nice place indeed.

(P.S. This post is made by an American conservative who is actually considering moving to Canada at some point.)

We have more than enough Canadian conservatives to fend off, thank you very much. Why not stay where you are, perhaps we could arrange to send our pseudo-Republicans your way. What we need up here are more left-wingers.

I for make them a colony same for Mexico.

"Want to know how Canada REALLY got its name?

C, eh? N, eh? D, eh?"

*Smiles as gales of canned laughter erupt in the background*

Lame jokes aside, I actually do quite like Canada, especially since I just got back from a vacation there a week ago. I am strongly considering going to college (or rather, "university") there, so I will get a good chance to learn more about the people, culture, and history. I already took in quite a bit just reading Canadian newspapers while there. They have such a different mindset, it's fascinating. One huge difference between them and Americans, so subtle I would hardly have discovered it had I not already realized it existed, yet so profound it has a part in nearly every other difference between them and us, is the fact that they believe in the government. Wow, cosmic idea!

they believe in the government.

Um, where did you get that idea? They have different people just like us. I remember visiting Quebec City in 96 and the whole downtown had been torn to shreds by people protesting the government. All the stores had been looted, and they attacked the government building.

Um, where did you get that idea? They have different people just like us. I remember visiting Quebec City in 96 and the whole downtown had been torn to shreds by people protesting the government. All the stores had been looted, and they attacked the government building.

Heh. Of course there's going to be a whole range of opinions in their society, I just mean that the cynicism and distrust of the government so common in America isn't (as) widespread there.

You know, with all the anti-Canada propaganda out there merely because they chose not to go into Iraq, I was wondering, are there many other Americans who actually like Canada? I like the country- it seems to be a nice place indeed.

(P.S. This post is made by an American conservative who is actually considering moving to Canada at some point.)


Let me put it this way, if I had to move out of the U.S. to any other country, my first choice would probably be Canada (second choice Australia). I wouldn't have to learn a different language (except maybe French), the people seem nice, there is a lot of beautiful wilderness, and there are plenty of caribou, elk, and deer to hunt.

There is no reason to dislike Canada. It's just there.

Only I'm mad that we have to have passports to get in now.

Only I'm mad that we have to have passports to get in now.
???

We didn't need any when we went there two weeks ago.

???

We didn't need any when we went there two weeks ago.


We had to have them when we went in above Washinton last Year in July

???

We didn't need any when we went there two weeks ago.
Oh, maybe they stopped. I know they were requiring them at some point in this year, for the first time in who knows how long.

According to the curren Canadian Border Services site, we don't need a passport to enter. http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/E/pub/cp/rc4161/rc4161-e.html

The deal is that it's recommended we take one to show getting back in to the US. Stupid Deptartment of Homeland Security.

Umm, American tried and failed in 1812 didn't they? There is your answer. I can't imagine why the good "ol USA would even try. US and Canada are already the largest trading partners in the world. I can't see Canada ever becoming part of the USA, they are very liberal compared to the USA. I don't think the cultures would mix all that well in the grand scheme of things.
It'd work because of state's rights. The more liberal states created from Canada can preserve their universal healthcare, their taxes, everything. And the federal government wouldn't intervene.

We didn't need any when we went there two weeks ago.

Last time I went they told me not to come back without one.

'handup I love Canada, and I'm American.

We actually invaded Canada in 1812. We lost, though. We did invade Canada in the revolution too, to try and cut off British reinforcements.

hahaha! you invaded us alright, and you were drove out by the French! obviously america dident do to great of a job at taking over, as you can see, here we are today. and were out numbered big time yet still managed to have the larger country in the long run. As for Canada joining the United States, it would NEVER happen. The Canadian public wouldent even concider it, and it it came to the point of invading, it will make Iraq look like a joke, and lets not forget how many other countries would look at the idea with disgust. I dont mind sharing the border with America, its a nice place to vacation and it seems to have a nice selection of Fire-arms, but the day Canada becomes another state is the day i move to Cuba.

Ergh!!! Why havent we annexed the bastards yet?


first of all, i wouldn't want to have those whinny pinko commie bastards as americans anyway. second, we don't need to annex them -- they're our bitch. and third, why would we want to annex a bunch of pacifist pussies when they'll do whatever we tell them too anyway. tehy'd just be more trouble if they were under our legal system. :sniper:

You know, with all the anti-Canada propaganda out there merely because they chose not to go into Iraq, I was wondering, are there many other Americans who actually like Canada? I like the country- it seems to be a nice place indeed.

(P.S. This post is made by an American conservative who is actually considering moving to Canada at some point.)

It is a nice place. I love Canadians. I consider myself first and foremost a citizen of the world.
I consider myself an American second.

People are more important than Government/Country/Filthy polititions.

I love canadians....I think everybody should own one.....


















kidding....

:D :D :D

Good one

I must ask what the hell are you talking about? There is no anti canadian propaganda. Are you talking about Canadian bacon with john candy who is canadian?

Blame Canada... it's not a real country anyway

Blame Canada... it's not a real country anyway
You're just jealous because because we didn't get out freedom through a bloody revolt like you did. :D *snicker*

You're the one who is jealous because we have bigger penis'

You're just jealous because because we didn't get out freedom through a bloody revolt like you did. *snicker*

I'll have you know that *I* got a paper cut that glorious day! AND I got jostled in line!

So don't tell ME that we didn't have a bloody revolt to gain freedom from the queen! ;)