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What do you all think of inter-racial marriage. I think its terrible, I think people should stay in their own race.

(see my other post below before flameing me)

I'm white, and I'm into asian girls, so I'm all for it.

I think people should be able to decide who they wish to be with based on love, not the expectations of society ;)

What a well-argued thesis. Carefully ignoring for a moment the fact it'd be totally impossible to make it happen anyway, why is it bad?

Marry whoever DOES you right.

Yeah...why do you think people should stay in their own race? You saying you think it doesn't really convince me.

Yeah...why do you think people should stay in their own race? You saying you think it doesn't really convince me.

I'm just saying how I feel and was wondering about how other people feel on the issue. I mean I don't think its wrong as long as theres love but I just couldn't see my self with some other race not because I think I am better than them its just I don't see a marriage between me and a woman from another race working out.

What do you all think of inter-racial marriage. I think its terrible, I think people should stay in their own race.

Well, that shows how intelligent you are.

Well, that shows how intelligent you are.

Please no bashing.

What do you all think of inter-racial marriage. I think its terrible, I think people should stay in their own race.

Oh come off it man! That's just going down the slippery slope to the "superior race" belief. I believe that inter-racial marriage is a good thing


And on an interesting note of inter-racial marriage (or relationships), anybody paying attn to how in Gundam SEED, Kira Yamato (a male Coordinator - person with genetically enhanced strength and intelligence) is in love with Flay (female Natural - person who didnt get their genes enhanced)?

What do you all think of inter-racial marriage. I think its terrible, I think people should stay in their own race.
We must secure the existance of all peoples and a future free of bigotry.
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I'm just saying how I feel and was wondering about how other people feel on the issue. I mean I don't think its wrong as long as theres love but I just couldn't see my self with some other race not because I think I am better than them its just I don't see a marriage between me and a woman from another race working out.
A loving marriage with a woman of another race... and you don't see it working out?

You're gonna have to explain this one a bit.

Im into Asian and Arab women. . . so?

A loving marriage with a woman of another race... and you don't see it working out?

You're gonna have to explain this one a bit.

No, I was talking about my self, I never said it couldn't I'm just trying to get some other views on this.

I think its perfectly ok. Me myself Im part Spanish, Black and White so I got no problem with Inter raciel marriege.

I'm just saying how I feel and was wondering about how other people feel on the issue. I mean I don't think its wrong as long as theres love but I just couldn't see my self with some other race not because I think I am better than them its just I don't see a marriage between me and a woman from another race working out.
just because your a racist doesnt mean everyone else it

mixed cultural marriages tend to be very strained. this i will agree with. in the states, your race often determines your culture because people tend to choose to follow the crowd of their race as to how they should behave. cultural differences lead to arguments on how to raise children, how to manage money, and many other things that can easily end a marriage. and while i would say that it would be nice to always preserve some amount of visual diversity, i don't think it is something we should or need to mandate. people tend to marry those who are physically similar to someone they imprinted on in their childhood. usually this prevents racial mixing. but it really doesn't matter. no two mixed race babies come out the same. just like no two unmixed babies look the same (twins excluded, etc).

i'm all for it.

i don't see myself doing so. it's not anything racist or anything, i just find myself attracted to white guys more often than not. well, and asian women, but well, who isn't attracted to asian women.

i mean, i have been attracted to one black guy and one oriental guy in my whole life. haven't dated any, but then i haven't dated any blonde guys either... or redheads... so yeah...

What do you all think of inter-racial marriage. I think its terrible, I think people should stay in their own race.

(see my other post below before flameing me)

If you stay in your own race long enough you end up swimming in a very shallow gene pool. Just look at what happened to the royals. Besides we're all human anyways, so what does it matter?

Race?
Genetically, IIRC, if two individuals can breed then they belong to the same race.
Phenotype?
For your question to make sense, you'd need pure breeds. Where are you planning to find one? Europe? Not a chance - the continuous waves of invasion mean that every European must have a bit of Asian & Arab blood by now. The New World? Hardly - most people have at least a bt of native blood, and that on top of what they picked up from their European heritage. Similar things have been happening in Asia and even more so in Africa. So we're all mongrels anyway.
Socially?
Two people from different cultures are going to have some additional problems in a marriage. Granted. But people have been resolving those problems for thousands of years. So why assume that you can't?

I don't really believe race exists. It's a cultural concept, not a biological concept. I don't see any reason to oppose it and plenty to allow it.

If you stay in your own race long enough you end up swimming in a very shallow gene pool. Just look at what happened to the royals. Besides we're all human anyways, so what does it matter?

I mean more of a culture thing.

No, I was talking about my self, I never said it couldn't I'm just trying to get some other views on this.
Also, you don't think its wrong so long as theres love... and yet you think people shouldn't do it?

As if your views weren't bizzare enough already, now you even contradict yourself.

You guys...calm down.

"I, personally, wouln't do it. What are your opinions?"

"YOU ARE WRONG!!!!!"

I mean, I don't always agree with the guy-quite often I don't :p-but he simply stated his opinions, and you guys have been hammering him on it.

This whole thread is ridiculous... of course there's nothing wrong with inter-racial marriage, and if you have a problem with it, don't do it! It's that simple. I, myself, had a boyfriend outside of my "race" as we're calling it, but I don't think that has much to do with the quality of a relationship. If two people love each other, that really should be enough.

Also, you don't think its wrong so long as theres love... and yet you think people shouldn't do it?

As if your views weren't bizzare enough already, now you even contradict yourself.

Yes, I think your right about me contradicting myself but I didn't really plan what all I wrote. I know several people that are happy in a marriage and there not the same race that are happy but I know more that are always fighting over small cultural things.

What is race anyway...less than 1% of our being.
We, buy the way, are genetically approximately 50% banana.
Get off the race thing once and for all...marry, mate and be with who you chose...within the human race of course. :headbang:

Yes, I think your right about me contradicting myself but I didn't really plan what all I wrote. I know several people that are happy in a marriage and there not the same race that are happy but I know more that are always fighting over small cultural things.
Well, most people tend to have consistant views because they're logical and sensible, but there ya go.

cultural differences lead to arguments on how to raise children, how to manage money, and many other things that can easily end a marriage.

Funny -- these are precisely the reasons that same-race marriages end, too.

This whole thread is ridiculous... of course there's nothing wrong with inter-racial marriage, and if you have a problem with it, don't do it! It's that simple. I, myself, had a boyfriend outside of my "race" as we're calling it, but I don't think that has much to do with the quality of a relationship. If two people love each other, that really should be enough.

there is more to a relationship than love. you need to grow up a little.

Well, most people tend to have consistant views because they're logical and sensible, but there ya go.

Well, this isn't somthing I think about alot.

Funny -- these are precisely the reasons that same-race marriages end, too.

um. isn't that what i said?

there is more to a relationship than love. you need to grow up a little.

There are commitment, similar goals, love... the mundane matters of money... what else?

Anybody here who watches Gundam SEED notice the INTER-RACIAL relationship going on between Kira (a Coordinator male - genetically enhanced) and Flay (a Natural female - no genetic alteration)

I'm just saying how I feel and was wondering about how other people feel on the issue. I mean I don't think its wrong as long as theres love but I just couldn't see my self with some other race not because I think I am better than them its just I don't see a marriage between me and a woman from another race working out.

On a racial level I dont see why there would be any problem but culturally there always could be. But hey thats what loves for.

mixed cultural marriages tend to be very strained. this i will agree with. in the states, your race often determines your culture because people tend to choose to follow the crowd of their race as to how they should behave. cultural differences lead to arguments on how to raise children, how to manage money, and many other things that can easily end a marriage.
Funny -- these are precisely the reasons that same-race marriages end, too.
um. isn't that what i said?

Um, no... your emphasis seemed to be why mixed cultural marriages are strained because of cultural differences... the examples you gave, however, are universal for why any marriage can end.

If you read anything by Dr. Ashley Montagu, you will see that there is no scientific basis for even separating people into different races. Race is nothing but general groupings based on a handful of physical characteristics. Race is a myth, and, therefore, so is interracial marriage.

But hey thats what loves for.
And in many cases it still doesn't work out.

If you read anything by Dr. Ashley Montagu, you will see that there is no scientific basis for even separating people into different races. Race is nothing but general groupings based on a handful of physical characteristics.
And that there is exactly the same amount of genetic difference if you decided to separate people based on a completely random choice of physical common characteristics, as opposed to ones based on what part of the world they came from.

Well this is probably gonna be flamed and is only said in mock seriousness anyway but how about selective breeding. No, I don't mean an Aryan race or some bull**** like that but breeding for a better humanity. Race wouldn't enter into it. People would marry whomever they wanted and having kids would be a very complex adoption thing. People wouldn't just have random kids popping out. The stronger, smarter, whatever people with overall better characteristics would be donors of the...essentials of children. The embryo would be emplanted into a wannabe mother and boom, we have a stronger human race. Of course we don't have the technology to do this right and there are moral/ethical problems for most people but it's a thought. Genetic defects would be breeded out and people would have children that they can love but are also good for humanity. I suppose it's mean to those who don't have the better genes but can tell you that I'd be much happier as one of the "better" children with a loving family. All kids should be loved when they are born but this would ensure that only stronger kids are born. If one wasn't as good as they were supposed to be, they would still be raised in the normal fashion with all of the benefits of others; they just wouldn't be donating to make more children. The whole "carrying on your line" seems pointless to me and can genetically weaken the human race. Flame away...

Interracial relationships are disgusting and sick. Why should a White look outside the White race for a mate?

Interracial relationships are disgusting and sick. Why should a White look outside the White race for a mate?

10 bucks sais one of your "White" ancestors married a "non-white" person. 20 bucks sais more than one did.

Interracial relationships are disgusting and sick. Why should a White look outside the White race for a mate?

I dunno, ask some white chicks. From what I hear and see, most white girls go after anyone who isn't white more then white guys.

As for me...well, what can I say? I find asians more attractive.

Argh!!! TT, why do you have to turn a somewhat valid but overall useful thread into a hate/race war. We know your thoughts from your other posts. We get it. You don't like anyone but white Christians. Not even most of them either, it seems.

Love is the ONLY thing that matters. A persons colour is only superficial, it is what is inside that counts!!

Anybody here who watches Gundam SEED notice the INTER-RACIAL relationship going on between Kira (a Coordinator male - genetically enhanced) and Flay (a Natural female - no genetic alteration)

Now that's a terrible strawman attack, though I have used references to coördinators myself for different arguing purposes.

Not that I had any intent of getting married regardless, but I think I'd rather stay in my own 'race'/culture. I have enough difficulties relating to people of my own race/culture, and as currently stands 1 in 2 marriages end in divorce. Given all that, I wouldn't see the need to stack the odds any higher against the marriage working.

That isn't to suggest there is anything inherently wrong with interracial marriage, nor that it can't work. However any time you combine two different cultures, there are bound to be at least some additional conflicts and problems that arise from it.

I'm tired of people saying there's no such thing as race.

Forensic scientists can tell what race someone is based on just their skull.

Face it, we're different. I'm not saying one race is better than any other, but there are seperate races with distinctive differences.

Um, no... your emphasis seemed to be why mixed cultural marriages are strained because of cultural differences... the examples you gave, however, are universal for why any marriage can end.


yes but there is more to cultural differences than just race of nationality. culture is a much smaller scale and more specific phenomenon than you are making it. cultural differences can occur between people who seem to be of the same upbringing. race is really immaterial in this.

yes these are universal reasons... but cultural differences increase the chances of these problems.

Not that I had any intent of getting married regardless, but I think I'd rather stay in my own 'race'/culture. I have enough difficulties relating to people of my own race/culture, and as currently stands 1 in 2 marriages end in divorce. Given all that, I wouldn't see the need to stack the odds any higher against the marriage working.

That isn't to suggest there is anything inherently wrong with interracial marriage, nor that it can't work. However any time you combine two different cultures, there are bound to be at least some additional conflicts and problems that arise from it.


that's all i'm saying.

im all for interacial marriage because i dont care what people do in thier personal lives, but i would not do it

Well this is probably gonna be flamed and is only said in mock seriousness anyway but how about selective breeding. No, I don't mean an Aryan race or some bull**** like that but breeding for a better humanity. Race wouldn't enter into it. People would marry whomever they wanted and having kids would be a very complex adoption thing. People wouldn't just have random kids popping out. The stronger, smarter, whatever people with overall better characteristics would be donors of the...essentials of children. The embryo would be emplanted into a wannabe mother and boom, we have a stronger human race. Of course we don't have the technology to do this right and there are moral/ethical problems for most people but it's a thought. Genetic defects would be breeded out and people would have children that they can love but are also good for humanity. I suppose it's mean to those who don't have the better genes but can tell you that I'd be much happier as one of the "better" children with a loving family. All kids should be loved when they are born but this would ensure that only stronger kids are born. If one wasn't as good as they were supposed to be, they would still be raised in the normal fashion with all of the benefits of others; they just wouldn't be donating to make more children. The whole "carrying on your line" seems pointless to me and can genetically weaken the human race. Flame away...

I know im gonna get flamed for adding onto this but here i go.... I was watching a show on the discovery channel about this topic. It explained how puberty is a vital factor to determining capacity to learn because while your not an adult you learn faster, that is why homosapien has a very long childhood and a long puberty phase. now the article got real instresting when it compared the races and made some theories. it mentioned how blacks pubic stage starts much earlier then asians and caucians. I believe the average black started puberty 8-12 months before another race. and to top this off the average black was physicily more fit on average. they linked this to living in africa longer then white man did. while blacks were very tribal and did not rely on technology as much as whites and the blacks faced darwinism more then europeans and asians.

We used to have laws agaisnt inter-racial marriage. They were phased out because they were bad laws. I'm the product of an interracial relationship (my father was too). And i'm glad i'm not all fo either one of my contributing races.

I do believe inter-racial marriage would be very difficult, but for reasons most of the "racists" here would object to: it would be very difficult for a member of the race Homo Sapien Sapien to find a surviving member of the race Homo Sapien Neanderthal to marry, and that's the only way you're going to get inter-racial marriage.

The rest of this is all inter-cultural. Inter-cultural marriages do have some built in difficulties, mores and communication being two examples.

I'm tired of people saying there's no such thing as race.

Forensic scientists can tell what race someone is based on just their skull.

Face it, we're different. I'm not saying one race is better than any other, but there are seperate races with distinctive differences.

Yes, there are at least two distinct races of Homo Sapien: Homo Sapien Neanderthal and Homo Sapien Sapien. But, you (and most posters here) seem to be confusing phenotype (visible physical difference) with race (biological difference). I assume what you mean is that forensic anthroplogists can distinguish phenotypes. They can of course also distinguish between the races mentioned above, as well.

Answering questions on race is challenging given that most anthropologists regard race as a cultural concept rather than a biological reality. In the biological sciences, the term race has historically been used to describe a distinct population in which all the members share a suite of biological traits. Today, most anthropologists agree that there is no adequate way to divide the world's human population in the cut and dry manner that the definition of race traditionally requires.
Source (http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/Sciences/LifeScience/HumanRaces/differencesbetweenraces/differencesbetweenraces.htm)
In the US the general public has been conditioned to view human races as natural and separate divisions within the human species based on visible physical differences (phenotype). It has now become clear to anthropologists that human populations are not unambiguous clearly demarcated, biologically distinct groups. Evidence from genetics (e.g. DNA) indicates that there is greater variation within "racial groups" (94%) than between racial groups (6%).
Source (http://cas-courses.buffalo.edu/classes/apy/anab/apy106/handouts/Race_and_Ethnicity.htm)

Answering questions on race is challenging given that most anthropologists regard race as a cultural concept rather than a biological reality. In the biological sciences, the term race has historically been used to describe a distinct population in which all the members share a suite of biological traits. Today, most anthropologists agree that there is no adequate way to divide the world's human population in the cut and dry manner that the definition of race traditionally requires.

I didn't realize it was possible for two opposing beliefs to exist at the same time, and have both of them constitute most of the given group.

I do believe inter-racial marriage would be very difficult, but for reasons most of the "racists" here would object to: it would be very difficult for a member of the race Homo Sapien Sapien to find a surviving member of the race Homo Sapien Neanderthal to marry, and that's the only way you're going to get inter-racial marriage.

The rest of this is all inter-cultural. Inter-cultural marriages do have some built in difficulties, mores and communication being two examples.



Yes, there are at least two distinct races of Homo Sapien: Homo Sapien Neanderthal and Homo Sapien Sapien. But, you (and most posters here) seem to be confusing phenotype (visible physical difference) with race (biological difference). I assume what you mean is that forensic anthroplogists can distinguish phenotypes. They can of course also distinguish between the races mentioned above, as well.


Source (http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/Sciences/LifeScience/HumanRaces/differencesbetweenraces/differencesbetweenraces.htm)

Source (http://cas-courses.buffalo.edu/classes/apy/anab/apy106/handouts/Race_and_Ethnicity.htm)
Great post....thanks Daistallia 2104. It should help dispel some common myths? :rolleyes:

A phenotype is caused by a genetic difference.

Thus, a biological difference.

Thus, seperate races, their genetics are simply different.

Besides, if you look up "race" in the dictionary, it includes "A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race."

Im of the belief that there should be a Global mandate brought about that forbids people to marry WITHIN their own race (or phenotype if you like)
If we kept that up for at least 5 generations there would be virtually no distinctions between anyone, we would all finnaly be simply Earthlings.

At this point in time we only have one planet to live on, and belive it or not this ball aint that big for all of us to fight over

This thread has degenerated into semantics about the word "race." Would ethnicity or looks suit you better? How about "adaptations to climate on the body people" or some such absurdity? Get off the word "race" and look at Insane Troll's post.

A phenotype is caused by a genetic difference.

Thus, a biological difference.

Thus, seperate races, their genetics are simply different.

Besides, if you look up "race" in the dictionary, it includes "A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race."That's an outdated definition that most progressive thinkers and scholars reject. Although most bigots still cling to it.

If to people love each other, what does it matter what colour their skin is? I'm all for it.

Interracial marriage...

I have no problem with others who choose it. Furthermore, I'd consider it strongly for myself if I were sufficiently attracted to that man, and if we were compatible on the grounds that any other couple should be (outlooks on marriage, children, values, money, careers, and so on). I do think it's entirely possible it could happen, and I do not want to shut out any opportunities by making stupid snap judgments about non-white men (I happen to be white) before I ever get to know them. I mean, what if I ended up cutting myself off from the man who was my soulmate? To lose that to prejudice would be a terrible shame.

I think differences and similarities in life philosophies would be the real driver. That, to my mind, is what makes or breaks a couple, not who is what race. There are some non-whites I suspect I'd feel more comfortable with than some whites, because there would be much more of an inward commonality. And it's not just an "inward" issue, either...there happen to be some non-whites I find more attractive than some whites. I daresay I'm attracted to non-whites at least half the time or more, when I notice a man I find attractive. That's just the way I happen to be wired, I guess, and I don't give a damn at all what anybody thinks about it. I think this issue means a lot to me because not only do I not like the idea of others being cut off from a potentially fulfilling relationship...I don't like the idea that it could be ME who would end up being deprived of that. You just never know about love.

I think it's terrible
I mean I don't think its wrong as long as theres love

Those are two pretty different statements.

I will say though that I reeeally don't care who are what other people marry. It really shouldn't even be a government matter.

Those are two pretty different statements.

I will say though that I reeeally don't care who are what other people marry. It really shouldn't even be a government matter.

I think spinach is terrible, but that's a personal opinion. :p I'm not attempting to express that spinach is inherently evil, just my personal distaste of it. I believe Endoscopia had a similar intent. Just my two cents.

I myself am from a mixed marriage...my mom is Cree (First Nations) and my dad is Irish Canadian. It caused some problems when I was growing up because the white kids figured I was an Indian, and the Native kids considered me white because we lived off reserve. In the end though, it didn't matter all that much...kids are shits to eachother no matter the reason. I have a healthy understanding of both sides of my heritage, and I'm glad for it. I've married a Chilean man, have learned Spanish, and am teaching my two daughters Cree, Spanish and English. I rather think they'll be enriched for all the different cultures they can call their own. Narrow minded people may get confused, but my kids will know where they come from...because they are Native, Irish and Chilean. Plus they'll have the bonus of being tri-lingual right off the bat. If you don't like intercultural marriages, don't get married from someone outside your culture, duh:). However, don't EVER presume to walk up to me or one of my kids and tell me it's wrong, because you'll be sat down for a talking to I don't think you'll have time for.

No, I was talking about my self, I never said it couldn't I'm just trying to get some other views on this.

huh?
different nationality or culture i could understand, that can be difficult. but if your brown and she's black, or whatver racial combo who cares?

Also I you just refering to the obvious differences? white/black/brown/yellow?
or are you talking germanic/slavic/semitic/persian/celtic/etc?

I do believe inter-racial marriage would be very difficult, but for reasons most of the "racists" here would object to: it would be very difficult for a member of the race Homo Sapien Sapien to find a surviving member of the race Homo Sapien Neanderthal to marry, and that's the only way you're going to get inter-racial marriage.

The rest of this is all inter-cultural. Inter-cultural marriages do have some built in difficulties, mores and communication being two examples.



Yes, there are at least two distinct races of Homo Sapien: Homo Sapien Neanderthal and Homo Sapien Sapien. But, you (and most posters here) seem to be confusing phenotype (visible physical difference) with race (biological difference). I assume what you mean is that forensic anthroplogists can distinguish phenotypes. They can of course also distinguish between the races mentioned above, as well.


Source (http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/Sciences/LifeScience/HumanRaces/differencesbetweenraces/differencesbetweenraces.htm)

Source (http://cas-courses.buffalo.edu/classes/apy/anab/apy106/handouts/Race_and_Ethnicity.htm)

Are not those different species? not different races? curious

The jury is still out on whether or not we could interbreed. DNA tests have not shown that Homo sapiens sapiens have neanderthal genes as far as I am aware. We are both considered subspecies of Homo Sapiens; we had a common "Human" ancestor.

Neanderthals disappeared in the fossil record about 28,000 years ago. Climate changes and our arrival in their habitat (Europe and Western Asia) are thought to be the reason for their extinction.

A phenotype is caused by a genetic difference.
Thus, a biological difference.
Thus seperate races, their genetics are simply different.

These differences were caused by evolutionary pressures due to the different environments they lived in, after our emergence as a species.

If you want to talk about genetic differences, DNA by no means copies perfectly. Everyone is a mutant in some way or another.

I think its perfectly ok. Me myself Im part Spanish, Black and White so I got no problem with Inter raciel marriege.

well you creole or something?it all depends on how far you want to go back.celts,saxons,franks are all pretty much germanic and is being irish a different race than scotish or english?there all white

I'm Mi'kmaq (First Nation from Newfoundland), my wife is Scottish, together for almost 15 years now. No problems here...except for that damn bagpipe!!!

My children are proud of both of their heritages. My youngest son will make a fine drummer, my oldest is already proficient on the bagpipe.

There is only one race of "people" on this planet, and that's human. The idea of "inter-racial" anything is a red herring and is devised by the power brokers of the world to keep the general populace separated and divided.

I'm just saying how I feel and was wondering about how other people feel on the issue. I mean I don't think its wrong as long as theres love but I just couldn't see my self with some other race not because I think I am better than them its just I don't see a marriage between me and a woman from another race working out.

Well, that's just you. It doesn't mean that inter-racial marriage wouldn't work for everyone. You are coming off really racist on this thread, you know.

Well, Enodscopia, so far after 5 pages the only person who seems to share your feelings on this issue is Tenete Traditiones. If you've seen the sort of deranged, self-contradictory and fantastical bullshit he has come out with on other threads, this might be a good reason for you to re-assess your position. If the only person who agrees with you is a looney, maybe your opinion is not well-founded...

RACIST! :sniper:

I'm all for interracial marriage, but I've got a question. How come you never see any white guys with black girls? I often see black guys with white girls- why not the other way around?

Yes, I think your right about me contradicting myself but I didn't really plan what all I wrote. I know several people that are happy in a marriage and there not the same race that are happy but I know more that are always fighting over small cultural things.

that's happens in same cultured marriages too.

"dear this year for christmast we eat goat meat! it's a family tradition!"
"I WANT TO DIVORCE!"

cheers.

I'm all for interracial marriage, but I've got a question. How come you never see any white guys with black girls? I often see black guys with white girls- why not the other way around?

You might not see them. I certainly do.

What is this "race" you speak of? If you get down to it, there are as many differences between an irishman and an italian as there are between an irishman and an Egyptian or Japanese.

Are you speaking of skin tone? If so, there is a total blending from one color extreme to the other, from pale-white to darkest-black. Where do you draw the line?

What other characteristics would you use to classify race?

Please, explain.

How about you try and break down what "race" I am. If you go by genetics, I could be classified as Irish, Native American, shoot, according to a former Klan Grand Wizard, I'm pure black (despite my skin tone being quite pale). You see, "race" is a subjective term, impossible to properly pin down. So once you can truely define race so as to be clear, then we can discuss the concepts of inter-racial anything.

Well, Enodscopia, so far after 5 pages the only person who seems to share your feelings on this issue is Tenete Traditiones. If you've seen the sort of deranged, self-contradictory and fantastical bullshit he has come out with on other threads, this might be a good reason for you to re-assess your position. If the only person who agrees with you is a looney, maybe your opinion is not well-founded...

it's strange that unashamed christians hasn't said he's for it too...

it's strange that unashamed christians hasn't said he's for it too...

Maybe, in TT, he's finally found a Christian to be ashamed of.

What do you all think of inter-racial marriage. I think its terrible, I think people should stay in their own race.

(see my other post below before flameing me)
:confused:
How can anyone in today's society think that a (e.g) white man can't marry a black woman because he is a different color. All humans are Homo sapiens, people.

I'm all for interracial marriage, but I've got a question. How come you never see any white guys with black girls? I often see black guys with white girls- why not the other way around?

*looks out his window to his next door neighbor*

I see it every day.

I think it's terrible to prohibit interracial marriage or to show any resentment toward it.

As for any cultural issues, I think a child of an interracial or interfaith marriage should be brought up to embrace the traditions and customs of his or her entire heritage.

I say whatever floats your boat. Years back, before the Civil Rights Movement in America, this was a major issue. Illegal in many states. The children of inter-racial relationships had a very difficult time of it. But now I consider it a non issue.

Maybe, in TT, he's finally found a Christian to be ashamed of.


this means he got out of his house, lol

Interracial relationships cannot yield children. Remember, "Human" is a race, "White" is an ethnicity, a color, and a misnomer. To whine about interethnic relationships is just stupid, there's no biological difference, the only issues would be social, and those are easily overcome.

Please no bashing.

She/he doesn't bash you, she/he does the only right thing: giving rightwing rednecks no more public room for spreading their inhuman ideologies and crappy thoughts and theories.

Well, Enodscopia, so far after 5 pages the only person who seems to share your feelings on this issue is Tenete Traditiones. If you've seen the sort of deranged, self-contradictory and fantastical bullshit he has come out with on other threads, ...
That's relative to your left-wing opinions.

I dunno, ask some white chicks. From what I hear and see, most white girls go after anyone who isn't white more then white guys.
Wouldn't have anything to do with MTV or some other tool of the Jewish media, would it?
Let's see how many movies tell us about the wonders of interracial relationships:
Movies Featuring negresses and White men (http://home.mpinet.com/jhunt.gdi/ELIG-movies/)
or Movies Featuring negroes and White women (http://home.mpinet.com/jhunt.gdi/ELIG-movies/EGIL.htm)
As for me...well, what can I say? I find asians more attractive. If you are White, then that is more social conditioning by the Juden media.

That's relative to your left-wing opinions.

Partly, no doubt, although it's a matter of record now that every time you are presented with facts which contradict your views you either ignore them, or deny them in the face of overwhelming evidence, or respond with inapposite and out-of-context quotes in VERY BIG BOLD TYPE, or you try to pretend that you never said the things you said. Sadly, this being the internet and all, your mendacity is all too easily exposed: it's really akin to shooting a very fat, stupid fish in a very small barrel. With a 12-bore. Barely even sporting. Still fun, though.

Personally, I'd be interested to hear what Enodscopia thinks about your views. Just how far-out far-right is s/he?

It depends on the "races" involved.

I'm not a fan of blacks (color) and whites. Call me a racist, but I think black people have a long way to go in clearing up their name before they can be treated as equal. There is still a very large proportion of the black population in America that has not bettered themselves through culture and education. It is a shame that these people ruin it for the few exceptional blacks who do deserve more than they get. However, these blacks need to stand up against that ignorant, uncultured, and common majority to help their name. Sort of like Bill Cosby.

PEOPLE.

It's simple, really. Painfully simple.

You like diversity? You like multiculturalism? Right?

Well, consider this. If you, and everyone else, mix with other races, then what do you think will happen in a few generations?

That's right. Diversity will disappear. Your beloved multicult will disappear. We'll all become one bland brown race. No variety, no difference, no diversity.

Is that what you want?

If you want diversity, if you want multiculturalism, the long-term solution is simple.

BREED INSIDE YOUR OWN RACE. That will preserve the racial groups. That will preserve the cultural divides.

That's relative to your left-wing opinions.

TT doesn't accept evil Zionist and left-wing ideas like "reality", "science" and "human rights."
He also doesn't accept the fact that not everyone is a racist like he is, that not everyone belives that Nazi Germany (1932-45) is an ideal society and that now people are more interested in living together as humanity, celebrating diversity rather than condemning it.

PEOPLE.

It's simple, really. Painfully simple.

You like diversity? You like multiculturalism? Right?

Well, consider this. If you, and everyone else, mix with other races, then what do you think will happen in a few generations?

That's right. Diversity will disappear. Your beloved multicult will disappear. We'll all become one bland brown race. No variety, no difference, no diversity.

Is that what you want?

If you want diversity, if you want multiculturalism, the long-term solution is simple.

BREED INSIDE YOUR OWN RACE. That will preserve the racial groups. That will preserve the cultural divides.

Culture has nothing to do with your genetic background. Just because you believe it does, does not make it so. All it shows is that you have a painfully poor grasp of basic biology.

Your culture is something you pick up from the way you are raised, the life you lead, and the opinions and mores you form. All of this happens after birth.

PEOPLE.

It's simple, really. Painfully simple.

You like diversity? You like multiculturalism? Right?

Well, consider this. If you, and everyone else, mix with other races, then what do you think will happen in a few generations?

That's right. Diversity will disappear. Your beloved multicult will disappear. We'll all become one bland brown race. No variety, no difference, no diversity.

Is that what you want?

If you want diversity, if you want multiculturalism, the long-term solution is simple.

BREED INSIDE YOUR OWN RACE. That will preserve the racial groups. That will preserve the cultural divides.
Right on, just like that South Park episode where the people come from the future to take the people's jobs.

PEOPLE.

It's simple, really. Painfully simple.

-snip-

Diversity will disappear. Your beloved multicult will disappear. We'll all become one bland brown race. No variety, no difference, no diversity.

Is that what you want?

If you want diversity, if you want multiculturalism, the long-term solution is simple.

BREED INSIDE YOUR OWN RACE. That will preserve the racial groups. That will preserve the cultural divides.

Negatory (http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_098.html)

PEOPLE.

It's simple, really. Painfully simple.

You like diversity? You like multiculturalism? Right?

Well, consider this. If you, and everyone else, mix with other races, then what do you think will happen in a few generations?

That's right. Diversity will disappear. Your beloved multicult will disappear. We'll all become one bland brown race. No variety, no difference, no diversity.

Is that what you want?

If you want diversity, if you want multiculturalism, the long-term solution is simple.

BREED INSIDE YOUR OWN RACE. That will preserve the racial groups. That will preserve the cultural divides.

lol nub.

"Race" arises from evolutionary pressures due to the environment you live in. Think about it for a second.

I would like to think we consider ourselves all humanity. Multiculturalism is based on cultures not the color of skin. Racial groups or cultural divides have nothing to do with this. We want to enjoy diversity, not shield ourselves from it by isolation and division.

People will never all think the same or have the exact same life experiences. This is where culture comes from and it will continue to exist as long as humanity exists.

its just I don't see a marriage between me and a woman from another race working out.

I don't see a marriage between you and a woman working out. ;)


Actualy I'm against it too! Especially between really decent and honest Kiwi blokes and annoying Hong Kong flight attendants who took him shopping today to show the 3 Carat (!) diamond ring she expects him to buy her before the engagement party at the end of the year.

PEOPLE.

It's simple, really. Painfully simple.

You like diversity? You like multiculturalism? Right?

Well, consider this. If you, and everyone else, mix with other races, then what do you think will happen in a few generations?

That's right. Diversity will disappear. Your beloved multicult will disappear. We'll all become one bland brown race. No variety, no difference, no diversity.

Is that what you want?

If you want diversity, if you want multiculturalism, the long-term solution is simple.

BREED INSIDE YOUR OWN RACE. That will preserve the racial groups. That will preserve the cultural divides.

And this week's winner of the Slippery Slope Award...THE NEW AMERICAN REICH.

Also, multiculturalism refers to different cultures, not races, so your argument here is all but void.

Most people accept that people generally decide to breed within their own race; the argument is over the 20% or so who opt to go outside their race. 20% over the course of a few generations is jack-squat. If there was no social stigma against it, the number may go up to...I don't know, 30-35%. Nowhere near the 100% you seem to think will happen. It's a little like saying that if we make homosexuality acceptable, everyone will be gay and the species will die off.

The cultural divides will exist, and in fact, with enough interracial breeding, it may even create new cultures. People might argue that when people of two races breed, they lsoe those races and only gain one. However, look at this:

A white American man marries a white American woman. His neighbors are a Korean married couple. Across the street, a white American man marries a Korean woman. All of them have children. For multicultural purposes, and by most racists' count, that gives us three races where two were previously present. Diversity wins again. Also, while the white kids are raised white and the Korean kids are raised Korean, the white-Korean mixed kids receive influence from both cultures and become bicultural, making them even more educated about culture. You don't...oppose education, do you? OK, some do, but I imagine that most folks don't, at least on some level.

Some basic taxonomy for those who still wish ti differentiate Homo sapien sapien into the discredited 19th century concepts:

subspecies : a taxonomic category subordinate to a species, whose members differ morphologically from other members of the species but remain capable of interbreeding with them; a variety or race.
o phenotypic variation : the total range of variation, of whatever cause, observed in one character.
+ continuous variation : phenotypic differences so numerous and minute that the values selected for observation form a continuous spectrum, and no one phenotype or group of phenotypes predominates
+ quasicontinuous variation : variation in which the underlying distribution of variability is continuous but a threshold effect makes it appear discontinuous
+ discontinuous variation : phenotypic differences that are marked, do not grade into one another, and form two or more separate, discontinuous classes.
source (http://focosi.altervista.org/taxonomyoflivingorganisms.html)

To make it real simple: sub-species is the same as race. Phenotype is variation within a subspecies. The simplest differentiation of species, subspecies, and phenotype I can give those who are haveing trouble with it so far is as follows:
Different species do not interbreed due to intrensic genetic reasons.
Different subspecies can interbreed, but do not due to some preventative factor such as geographic isolation.
Different phenotypes can and do interbreed.

So by simple definition, the question of inter-racial marriage and breeding is meaningless. If populations can and do interbreed, they are by defintion NOT SEPARATE RACES!

The taxonomy of modern human is:
Kingdom animalia
Phylum chordata
Sub-phylum vertebrata
Class mammalia
Subclass eutheria
Order primata
Suborder arthropoidea
Family hominidae
Subfamily homininae
Tribe hominini
Genus homo
Species sapien
Subspecies (race) sapien

source (http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/kids/science/Biology%20Cells/Studies/Human%20Taxonomy.htm)
source (http://www.umanitoba.ca/anthropology/courses/121/taxonomy.html)

Homo sapien neandethal is generally considered another subspecies. (Yes this may be up for some debate, but I'll leave it up to the biologists and anthropologists.)

Thus endeth the biology lesson.

And I will note no other poster I have seen in this thread has gone to any source material. If you wish to counter my arguments, (aside from the admitted possibility that Homo sapien neandethal may not have been a subspecies), please do so with references to accepted source material.

Thank you.

We'll all become one bland brown race. No variety, no difference, no diversity.

Is that what you want?
Hell yes! That way, we can be different based on thought and merit, instead of something as stupid as skin color.

Trust me, there will still be plenty of things to divide people up. Interests, religion, money, SPORTS TEAMS, etc. ;)

Well, consider this. If you, and everyone else, mix with other races, then what do you think will happen in a few generations?

That's right. Diversity will disappear. Your beloved multicult will disappear. We'll all become one bland brown race. No variety, no difference, no diversity.

Nope. If you mean inter-racial breeding, it ain't going to happen as that other race is extinct. If you mean interbreeding between phenotypes, it has gone on for some several thousands of years and phenotypes have yet to disappear.

BREED INSIDE YOUR OWN RACE. That will preserve the racial groups. That will preserve the cultural divides.

It would be very difficult to breed outside the race seeing as (as far as I know) Homo sapien neandethal is extinct. If you can produce a member of the other race, I pomise I will attempt to interbreed. I would really love to see that race preserved, just for biological and historical curiosity.

Right on, just like that South Park episode where the people come from the future to take the people's jobs.

well i guess he'll follow they're lead to protect his job???

I think its terrible, I think people should stay in their own race.





Damn right. It's a matter of science and Eugenics, if the races mix, the quality of the offspring goes down dramatically. If we all want to be dumbened down with no genetic purity, than people should just start mixing like mad. But if we want to have the unique races that God Himself made and scattered to the different lands, we should separate and each race must respect the purity of the other races.


Mulattos have lower IQs than Whites, but higher IQs than blacks (On average) so race-mixing is harmful to whites (Because it lowers us) and beneficial to the other races (because it raises them up). That is why they are in favor of it.

PEOPLE.

It's simple, really. Painfully simple.

You like diversity? You like multiculturalism? Right?

Well, consider this. If you, and everyone else, mix with other races, then what do you think will happen in a few generations?

That's right. Diversity will disappear. Your beloved multicult will disappear. We'll all become one bland brown race. No variety, no difference, no diversity.

Is that what you want?

If you want diversity, if you want multiculturalism, the long-term solution is simple.

BREED INSIDE YOUR OWN RACE. That will preserve the racial groups. That will preserve the cultural divides.

You are acting like people only get married for breeding purposes. I don't know how it works on your planet, but down on Earth we marriage for love (or money, depending on the situation ;) ). It doesn't matter to people who are in love what race they are, they could care less about preserving culture, they just want to get married.

Damn right. It's a matter of science and Eugenics, if the races mix, the quality of the offspring goes down dramatically. If we all want to be dumbened down with no genetic purity, than people should just start mixing like mad. But if we want to have the unique races that God Himself made and scattered to the different lands, we should separate and each race must respect the purity of the other races.


Mulattos have lower IQs than Whites, but higher IQs than blacks (On average) so race-mixing is harmful to whites (Because it lowers us) and beneficial to the other races (because it raises them up). That is why they are in favor of it.

I don't believe that any race is smarter than any other race. The color of your skin and other facial features doesn't make you stupider than someone with a different skin color. I think (and, people, don't take this the wrong way) that it has more to do with priorities of certain races. For example, in my town most of the white kids have better grades than the Hispanic/Latino (whatever) kids. But that is only because white families put more pressure on their children to do well in school and latino families don't care as much. Now that is just a generalization, but my point is:

If a black person and a white person have a kid that kid is not going to be stupider than his/her white classmates just because they are half black.

Damn right. It's a matter of science and Eugenics, if the races mix, the quality of the offspring goes down dramatically. If we all want to be dumbened down with no genetic purity, than people should just start mixing like mad. But if we want to have the unique races that God Himself made and scattered to the different lands, we should separate and each race must respect the purity of the other races.


Mulattos have lower IQs than Whites, but higher IQs than blacks (On average) so race-mixing is harmful to whites (Because it lowers us) and beneficial to the other races (because it raises them up). That is why they are in favor of it.

on what criteria do you base this? which IQ test taken by which groups from which countries? also what year?
This is a very racist post so you should bakc it up.

I don't believe that any race is smarter than any other race. The color of your skin and other facial features doesn't make you stupider than someone with a different skin color. I think (and, people, don't take this the wrong way) that it has more to do with priorities of certain races. For example, in my town most of the white kids have better grades than the Hispanic/Latino (whatever) kids. But that is only because white families put more pressure on their children to do well in school and latino families don't care as much. Now that is just a generalization, but my point is:

If a black person and a white person have a kid that kid is not going to be stupider than his/her white classmates just because they are half black.


You're missing the point. Race matters, it is real, it is genetic. You don't see two blacks mating and having a chinese son. Race is real and it is genetic. The "dark" races generall speaking are of lesser intelligence than the "light" races.

Studies have shown the lowest form of life that you can class as human are the Australian Aboriginies, they are outclassed even by the Congolese.

You're missing the point. Race matters, it is real, it is genetic. You don't see two blacks mating and having a chinese son. Race is real and it is genetic. The "dark" races generall speaking are of lesser intelligence than the "light" races.

Studies have shown the lowest form of life that you can class as human are the Australian Aboriginies, they are outclassed even by the Congolese.

Can you set up a link or something? I just have an extremely difficult time believing this.

on what criteria do you base this? which IQ test taken by which groups from which countries? also what year?
This is a very racist post so you should bakc it up.


According to Essai sur l'inegalite des races humaines

The following data regarding cranial capacity for skulls, all the openings were carefully filled with cotton except for the foramen magnum and then completely filled up with dried grains of pepper of equal size and shape. Done by a one Dr. Owen in the 19th century. Dr. Morton, and Dr. Carus also worked on this study.


The exact table as follows:



White races:
Avg number of grains:87
Max number of grains:109
Min number of grains: 75




Yellow Races (Malays and Mongols):
Avg number of grains (Malays):83
Avg number of grains (Mongols):81
Max number of grains (Malays):93
Max number of grains (Mongols):89
Min number of grains (Malays):69
Min number of grains (Mongols):64



North American Indians:
Avg number of grains:82
Max number of grains:100
Min number of grains:60



Black Races:
Avg number of grains:78
Max number of grains:94
Min number of grains:65

There's no evidence for that, if anything, there's evidence to the contrary.

According to Essai sur l'inegalite des races humaines

The following data regarding cranial capacity for skulls, all the openings were carefully filled with cotton except for the foramen magnum and then completely filled up with dried grains of pepper of equal size and shape. Done by a one Dr. Owen in the 19th century. Dr. Morton, and Dr. Carus also worked on this study.


The exact table as follows:



White races:
Avg number of grains:87
Max number of grains:109
Min number of grains: 75




Yellow Races (Malays and Mongols):
Avg number of grains (Malays):83
Avg number of grains (Mongols):81
Max number of grains (Malays):93
Max number of grains (Mongols):89
Min number of grains (Malays):69
Min number of grains (Mongols):64



North American Indians:
Avg number of grains:82
Max number of grains:100
Min number of grains:60



Black Races:
Avg number of grains:78
Max number of grains:94
Min number of grains:65

Oh, gee, that must be real accurate. :rolleyes:

you guys are all just bashing him. he had a perfectly good reason. he doesn't see it working between him and a girl of another race. that's not racist. because someone has other beliefs doesn't make him a bigot nor a racist. look up the word before you use it foolishly. :headbang:

for the record, i'm of many european races along with cherokee indian. can i picture myself with someone who is completely opposite of me? no. i can't, to be honest. i'm usually attracted to europeans and americans. is there something wrong with me? no. and i have absolutely NOTHING against people in interracial marriages. i think that rocks totally. i have friends who their mom is black and their dad white and that's awesome. if you have only had romantic interests in one or two races (out of the 100s!) then there is nothing wrong with that at all.

interracial marriage is absolutely cool. even though i am cherokee indian, i don't have attractions to most male native americans. there's nothing wrong with that. if it's okay to be only attracted to asians and arabs when you are white, why isn't it the other way around? seems silly to me.

if you're in love, then there is nothing wrong with the person's race.

and that is ridiculous to say that lighter races are smarter than darker races. absolutely ridiculous. i know many "darker skinned" people who are smarter than a LOT of white people. and vice versa. genetics and intelligence have nothing to do with another.

According to Essai sur l'inegalite des races humaines

The following data regarding cranial capacity for skulls, all the openings were carefully filled with cotton except for the foramen magnum and then completely filled up with dried grains of pepper of equal size and shape. Done by a one Dr. Owen in the 19th century. Dr. Morton, and Dr. Carus also worked on this study.


The exact table as follows:



White races:
Avg number of grains:87
Max number of grains:109
Min number of grains: 75




Yellow Races (Malays and Mongols):
Avg number of grains (Malays):83
Avg number of grains (Mongols):81
Max number of grains (Malays):93
Max number of grains (Mongols):89
Min number of grains (Malays):69
Min number of grains (Mongols):64



North American Indians:
Avg number of grains:82
Max number of grains:100
Min number of grains:60



Black Races:
Avg number of grains:78
Max number of grains:94
Min number of grains:65

this was done in 1855!!!! for fuck sake back then dictionaries described all over colours and races in a negative way!

According to Essai sur l'inegalite des races humaines

The following data regarding cranial capacity for skulls, all the openings were carefully filled with cotton except for the foramen magnum and then completely filled up with dried grains of pepper of equal size and shape. Done by a one Dr. Owen in the 19th century. Dr. Morton, and Dr. Carus also worked on this study.


The exact table as follows:



White races:
Avg number of grains:87
Max number of grains:109
Min number of grains: 75




Yellow Races (Malays and Mongols):
Avg number of grains (Malays):83
Avg number of grains (Mongols):81
Max number of grains (Malays):93
Max number of grains (Mongols):89
Min number of grains (Malays):69
Min number of grains (Mongols):64



North American Indians:
Avg number of grains:82
Max number of grains:100
Min number of grains:60



Black Races:
Avg number of grains:78
Max number of grains:94
Min number of grains:65
Are you kidding? Come ON! Grains? Geesus, cranial volume doesn't even have a BEARING on intellegence! What are you smoking?

Are you kidding? Come ON! Grains? Geesus, cranial volume doesn't even have a BEARING on intellegence! What are you smoking?


So primitive man who had such small cranial capacity, was just as intelligent as we are today?

Variety. It's what keeps us from turning into inbread redneck freaks. Eugenics, or the search for a "master race" will always be impossible because once that a "master" set of genes is found, they need to mate that person with someone of the same genes, allowing for harmful recessive traits to be seen in their offspring.

So primitive man who had such small cranial capacity, was just as intelligent as we are today?

makes me happy to have a big head lol

Variety. It's what keeps us from turning into inbread redneck freaks. Eugenics, or the search for a "master race" will always be impossible because once that a "master" set of genes is found, they need to mate that person with someone of the same genes, allowing for harmful recessive traits to be seen in their offspring.


The European continent already has variety. Russians, Germans, Poles, French, English, Dutch, Greeks, Italians, Swedes, Swiss, Spanish, etc.

Plenty of variety.


White genes are almost always recessive when face with non-white genes, which is why mulattos are always darker than they are lighter. So the white genes that code for advanced emotional development and intelligence are basically gone.

Europe had the renaissace without the help of "racial diversity"... Europe's been doing fine for over 2,000 years without polluting their gene pool with this "Racial variety" you speak of.


Homogenity, don't knock a good thing, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

The European continent already has variety. Russians, Germans, Poles, French, English, Dutch, Greeks, Italians, Swedes, Swiss, Spanish, etc.

Plenty of variety.


White genes are almost always recessive when face with non-white genes, which is why mulattos are always darker than they are lighter. So the white genes that code for advanced emotional development and intelligence are basically gone.

Europe had the renaissace without the help of "racial diversity"... Europe's been doing fine for over 2,000 years without polluting their gene pool with this "Racial variety" you speak of.


Homogenity, don't knock a good thing, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Please. Your pseduoscience bullshit isn't fooling anybody.

White genes are almost always recessive when face with non-white genes, which is why mulattos are always darker than they are lighter. So the white genes that code for advanced emotional development and intelligence are basically gone.


This might sound stupid, but trust me. If you were to get a tin of paint the same colour a white person and mix it with one of a black person, the mixed colour is very similar to mixed child.
In other words its just pigment. NOTHING MORE!!!!

This might sound stupid, but trust me. If you were to get a tin of paint the same colour a white person and mix it with one of a black person, the mixed colour is very similar to mixed child.
In other words its just pigment. NOTHING MORE!!!!
Racial differences are more than skin deep.

I'm all for interracial marriage, but I've got a question. How come you never see any white guys with black girls? I often see black guys with white girls- why not the other way around?

I'm a white guy with a black girl. I'm also representative of one of the most phenotypical minorities in the world, a redhead. Breaking the stereotypes since 1981. ;)

Racial differences are more than skin deep.
Not really, no.

So primitive man who had such small cranial capacity, was just as intelligent as we are today?
It's neuron connections which allow for increased thinking, you [expletives deleted]. We've gotten more of those over time, brain size, and body size, have also increased. Your ideas are based on how many damn peppercorns fit in a skull, you've got no right to question others.

Look at Neanderthals: they had a larger brain volume than we do today.

[QUOTE=Communist Mississippi]According to Essai sur l'inegalite des races humaines

The following data regarding cranial capacity for skulls, all the openings were carefully filled with cotton except for the foramen magnum and then completely filled up with dried grains of pepper of equal size and shape. Done by a one Dr. Owen in the 19th century. Dr. Morton, and Dr. Carus also worked on this study.

Cranial capacity in relation to IQ was debunked in the 1920's.

Biological Differences of the Races (http://libreopinion.com/members/standarteslc/race06.html)

So hey, Communist Mississippi, is a black dog dumber than a white one? Does the white dog have increased intellectual capacity or advanced emotions?

So hey, Communist Mississippi, is a black dog dumber than a white one? Does the white dog have increased intellectual capacity or advanced emotions?


That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It's just a color! Dogs are breeds though, so certain breeds of dogs are smarter than other breeds. Just as certain breed (races) of human are better than other breeds (races) of human.

Why is it terrible? Why stay within your 'own race'? Races mean very little...I for instance could donate blood for someone who is, say, Japanese. The difference lies on the outside only. What's inside remains unchanged.

Marriage is basically your relationship on a piece of paper. And honestly, I don't even see why 'inter-racial marriages' have their own name. Or 'same sex marriages', for that matter. But I digress. The point is that if there exists love, neither the piece of paper nor people who might frown upon the relationship matters.

Yes, I am attracted to Japanese women. =)

How narrowminded, it's a persons character that matters, not their race, creed or language. I could fall in love with a woman from any country in the world, and marry her, if she and I got on well together, sure, there are bound to be some cultural differences, but part of the fun of relationships is seeing the world through someone elses eyes.

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It's just a color!

Yep. Exactly. I think you're finally learning.

Yep. Exactly. I think you're finally learning.


For animals it's just a coat color, but for people it is a sub-division of the human race. A caucasoid cannot have dark skin because caucasoid genes don't code for that. The same genes that code for the caucasoid people carry the intelligence.

Biological Differences of the Races (http://libreopinion.com/members/standarteslc/race06.html)

... and what does brain volume and weight mean? Absolutely nothing.
Note: Neanderthals had greater brain volume on average than modern humans do.

Whether IQ tests are accurate indicators of intelligence is debatable, there's not enough evidence to be able to use them as scientific fact.

The rest of the article is naked assertion, with no evidence whatsoever.

Some sanity (http://record.wustl.edu/archive/1998/10-15-98/articles/races.html) and recent research, from a trustworthy site. This too. (http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/Sciences/LifeScience/HumanRaces/differencesbetweenraces/differencesbetweenraces.htm)

A caucasoid cannot have dark skin because caucasoid genes don't code for that. The same genes that code for the caucasoid people carry the intelligence.

You just love making naked assertions with no evidence, don't you?

What do you all think of inter-racial marriage. I think its terrible, I think people should stay in their own race.

(see my other post below before flameing me)

Just curious - when you chose the name Enodscopia, was it because Endoscopia was already taken? Because you definitely seem to have something inserted up your rectum - if not a camera, perhaps your head? (If I've lost you, please look up "endoscope" on the web). ;)

You remind me of me when I was young, stupid and full of misdirected hate. I evolved - maybe one day, you might also...

Brain volume, eh? So this means that elephants are smarter than humans, because they definitely have larger brains... Or perhaps he means brain to body size ratio - in which case the field mouse might be the most intelligent being in the world...

*rolls eyes*

I love it when ignorant Nazis try to justify their petty hatred with pseudo-scientific gobbledligook. :p

This might sound stupid, but trust me. If you were to get a tin of paint the same colour a white person and mix it with one of a black person, the mixed colour is very similar to mixed child.
In other words its just pigment. NOTHING MORE!!!!
That's a good way to put it.

This superior race stuff is BS. I'm white. I go to school with people of all races in about equal numbers. My school is one of the best of the country (smart people here) Did you read the sentence before the last one. All races in equal numbers. There are about as many Indians here as Orientals, as man Blacks as Whites, etc. Color of skin has no bearing on intelligence. A common misperception many people have (mostly in America) is of blacks being dumb. They aren't, they're just as smart as whites. Its that blacks in america were bred for labor during the time of slavery, and the effects of that will take generations to shake off.

As far as inter-racial relationships go, I have no problem with those either. Going to my school, I'm exposed to a variety of cultures, which I'm thankful for. I'm only 15, but I'm glad I won't grow up to be an ignorant moron like Communist Mississippi.

I thought I heard banjo music :rolleyes:

Where does the racial divide happen?

I married an Italian. Is that wrong?

Luckily these people are few in numbers and they dwindle every year.

:fluffle: :sniper:

This is what these Redneck Jew Haters think of everything. Im White. I like white women and asian women. Anything wrong with that? Oh and BTW A Black doctor is SMARTER than a white propane salesman. Also I am not Left Wing. I am Very center.

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Black doctor is SMARTER than a white propane salesman. .

Assuming the negroid got his degree through means other than affirmative action. And assuming the caucasoid didn't just settle for the propane job, or that other jobs were closed to caucasoids for racial quota reasons.

I believe that interracial marriage is okay. I believe that if two people (a man and a woman) love each, regardless of color, then they should get married

Assuming the negroid got his degree through means other than affirmative action. And assuming the caucasoid didn't just settle for the propane job, or that other jobs were closed to caucasoids for racial quota reasons.
Racial Quotas are BS. There implemented in only around 0.01 percent of buisnesses, and arent needed in places BESIDES racist, nazi states like MS, where i am ashamed to say, I was born.

Oh and BTW A Black doctor is SMARTER than a white propane salesman.

While I fully agree with the sentiment, I have to fault your logic:

Stereotyping people by careers is not especially accurate. Level of eduction does NOT always directly equate to level of intelligence. I have known manual labourers who are far more intelligent than some professionals I know. Not everyone in a so called "brainless" job is there because they are "dumb" - some lack motivation, some have had bad breaks in regards to career and educational advancement, and some just don't want to have to deal with the level of stress of high paying career. You cannot just assume that because someone wears overalls to their job they are a moron, or that everyone in a suit and tie is a genius...

Again, though, I must emphasize that I fully agree with your sentiment that you cannot guage intelligence by race...

To hammer this over the head, as some people seemed to have missed it.

To make it real simple: sub-species is the same as race. Phenotype is variation within a subspecies. The simplest differentiation of species, subspecies, and phenotype I can give those who are haveing trouble with it so far is as follows:
Different species do not interbreed due to intrensic genetic reasons.
Different races can interbreed, but do not due to some preventative factor such as geographic isolation.
Different phenotypes can and do interbreed.

So by simple definition, the question of inter-racial marriage and breeding is meaningless.
If populations can and do interbreed, they are by defintion NOT SEPARATE RACES!

Thus endeth the biology lesson.

And I have yet to see anyone attempt to refute this. If those posters who are still claiming the existance of human races other than Homo sapien sapien and Homo sapien neandethal (eg a "black" race, a "monoloid" race, etc.) don't even try to refute this, I will assume they concede the point.

To hammer this over the head, as some people seemed to have missed it.

To make it real simple: sub-species is the same as race. Phenotype is variation within a subspecies. The simplest differentiation of species, subspecies, and phenotype I can give those who are haveing trouble with it so far is as follows:
Different species do not interbreed due to intrensic genetic reasons.
Different races can interbreed, but do not due to some preventative factor such as geographic isolation.
Different phenotypes can and do interbreed.

So by simple definition, the question of inter-racial marriage and breeding is meaningless.
If populations can and do interbreed, they are by defintion NOT SEPARATE RACES!

Thus endeth the biology lesson.

And I have yet to see anyone attempt to refute this. If those posters who are still claiming the existance of human races other than Homo sapien sapien and Homo sapien neandethal (eg a "black" race, a "monoloid" race, etc.) don't even try to refute this, I will assume they concede the point.



Horses+Mule= Donkey, but they're all 3 different. There goes the crux of your argument, idiot. Donkeys have lots of problems, the biggest one being they are all born sterile. Mulattos have emotional issues, higher suicide rates, and are more prone to crime than pure whites.

Horses+Mule= Donkey, but they're all 3 different. There goes the crux of your argument, idiot. Donkeys have lots of problems, the biggest one being they are all born sterile. Mulattos have emotional issues, higher suicide rates, and are more prone to crime than pure whites.

Giggle. You real want to try and breed Equus caballus with Equus mulus? Good luck.
And you still have said nothing to refute my argument....
Are you conceeding?

Racial Quotas are BS. There implemented in only around 0.01 percent of buisnesses,

Not sure if that number you have there is correct. However, I have a bit of expertise in the human resource management field (U.S.), and I can tell you that there are only 2 cases I know of in which "quotas" are permissible:

1) As part of a court-ordered plan put into place to remedy an existing wrong and ONLY to remedy that particular wrong, after which it phases out.

2) A business receives government contracts, in which case an Affirmative Action Plan (AAP) must be in place.

and arent needed in places BESIDES racist, nazi states like MS, where i am ashamed to say, I was born.

Hold it just a minute!

I really resent this, being of Southern origins. It smacks of serious broadbrushing. I resent people making claims that we all in the South are a bunch of bigots and somehow the rest of the nation is exempt from problems. I have lived in several states, with the most being in the Northeast or Southeast, and I can tell you that I have seen racial problems across the board. NO region of the country is exempt, and trying to push it all off on one region of the country really suggests that a person wants to ignore the problems in their own backyard. When I lived in Rhode Island, for instance, I heard of a case in which a black woman was made to feel so uncomfortable in a certain restaurant (and she was not the only one) that she never went back. I saw other evidence of racist mentalities up there, too. While it's true that "segregation by law" didn't occur so much up North, there's still what's called "de facto segregation" (you could call it self-segregation) that seems to result in a lot of ridiculous standoffishness between races.

I am not exempting the South from its problems (given my argument it would certainly make me a massive hypocrite to do so!). It has them, sure, and they ought to be dealt with just as much as problems anywhere else. There are some real idiots I've seen here from the South and I wish I didn't share a heritage with such people because they are damn embarrassing. But just as much as I resent THEM, I resent those who want to make it look like we (or a majority of us) are ALL that way and then try to deny the problems in their own areas.

This is NOT a Southern problem or a Northern problem...it's a worldwide one and ought to be dealt with THAT way, NOT by making slurs against this area of the country or that. Plus, don't you realize that by generalizing an entire state like that, you're doing the same sort of prejudicial thing that the people you're attacking are?

Deal with people as INDIVIDUALS. NOT as this group or that group.

Horses+Mule= Donkey, but they're all 3 different. There goes the crux of your argument, idiot. Donkeys have lots of problems, the biggest one being they are all born sterile. Mulattos have emotional issues, higher suicide rates, and are more prone to crime than pure whites.You can't even get the mule thing straight. A mule is the offspring of a donkey and a horse, Donkeys are not sterile, they are a seperate species from horses. Mules are sterile. horses and donkeys are the same geneis, which is why they produce offspring, but they are sterile and cannot propagate. Perhaps a human can interbreed with another species of the same geneis, but to my knowledge no one has been willing to try it, maybe you'd like to be the first?

Your 'mulatto' stuff is pure crap, in fact people of mixed 'race' are excelling in almost every aspect of life and dominating a lot of sports. The amount of 'race' mixing in my area has steadily increased until currently 7 out of 10 babies born where I live are of mixed 'race', and since they are excepted without question as the beautiful children they are, there is no emotional issue to overcome, they are not driven to suicide or exciled to a life of crime. Children of all shades play together where my children go to school and there is no ill effect. Crime is not rampant, there is no excessive emotional or mental health issues and people aren't leaping from buildings whenever you turn around. In short all I have to do is look around my neighborhood to prove your post to be lies.

You can't even get the mule thing straight. A mule is the offspring of a donkey and a horse,


Damnit boy, I've had 3 shots in the last 20 minutes. I'm glad I can type!

Horse+Doney=Mule, mules are sterile.

I think inter-racial dating/marriage is a good thing. I have a brother who's half-black. My uncle, who was born in Korea and adopted, is married to a white woman, and he has two kids. They're the most functional, healthy, loving family I've ever seen. I have a girlfriend who's Asian (she lives in Thailand) and is the most beautiful girl in the world, and our relationship works out just great. I have plenty of biracial friends with black dads and white moms or vice versa, and they (the parents) seem to get along as well or better than couples of the same race. So, inter-racial dating/marriage is a good thing. Not better or worse than same-race marriage, but a good thing. At least, I think so.

Damnit boy, I've had 3 shots in the last 20 minutes. I'm glad I can type!

Horse+Doney=Mule, mules are sterile.Inebriation is no excuse for idiocy. And I'm no 'boy', I probably got t-shirts older than you.

I think inter-racial dating/marriage is a good thing. I have a brother who's half-black. My uncle, who was born in Korea and adopted, is married to a white woman, and he has two kids. They're the most functional, healthy, loving family I've ever seen. I have a girlfriend who's Asian (she lives in Thailand) and is the most beautiful girl in the world, and our relationship works out just great. I have plenty of biracial friends with black dads and white moms or vice versa, and they (the parents) seem to get along as well or better than couples of the same race. So, inter-racial dating/marriage is a good thing. Not better or worse than same-race marriage, but a good thing. At least, I think so.


Well hell, my family is all white Christian, and they're all married to white Christians, and hell we've never had any real problems in the family. Everything goes just fine. There isn't a single miscegenator in the entire family. Not a one!

Well hell, my family is all white Christian, and they're all married to white Christians, and hell we've never had any real problems in the family. Everything goes just fine. There isn't a single miscegenator in the entire family. Not a one!

Thats nice and special, but that's no excuse for you to rant that others should not be getting on with other people just because they don't have the same shade of skin.

Horses+Mule= Donkey, but they're all 3 different. There goes the crux of your argument, idiot. Donkeys have lots of problems, the biggest one being they are all born sterile. Mulattos have emotional issues, higher suicide rates, and are more prone to crime than pure whites.
Oh I do so have to challenge you to provide some statistics on this one bubba!! The bolded one that is. I await your detailed response.....

Well hell, my family is all white Christian, and they're all married to white Christians, and hell we've never had any real problems in the family. Everything goes just fine. There isn't a single miscegenator in the entire family. Not a one!



White on brother!

Okay...I think I can debunk automatic white supremecy with one simple phrase: COMMUNIST MISSISSIPPI IS CLEARLY WHITE! *the crowd cheers* Okay getting serious. It's just pigment people, honestly. And I come at this from the Jewish race, one of the purest groups of inter-marriers on the planet BTW, and also among the most hated by ignorant rednecks...maybe their just jealous of all the "purity". ;) Even our race mixes, however...sometimes voluntarily and sometimes through the rape of citizens by other conquering nations throughout history. I'll be damned if I understand how mixing their "superior" genes with ours through rape was sticking it to us, but hey...I guess this is all a result of my "inferior intellect". ;)
Also, this lighter skin meaning smarter people thing is also retarded. Especially since my skin is the whitest I've ever seen on an individual, and the biggest supremicists I know hate me the most. I just love holding out my arm, confirming that I'm "whiter" than they are, and watching them fume. Morons, all of them...I mean I try to be open-minded, but these people just weaken my resolve.
That said, I side with individual differences as the biggest marriage obstacle, even culture doesn't encompass all of it. For example, I'm an upper middle class Jewish/pagan brat. White Christians consider me evil, and most of the Jewish community is panned me as a blasphemous heathen. I find wealthy people too snobby, and they find me too common...if not too unChristian. Even other white witches haven't worked for me. Oddly enough, I'm more conventional than most of them in that I want a loving monogamous relationship and a fairly traditional career. I'm with a half Jewish white middle-class atheist now, and I've never been happier because despite the obvious differences, we love and respect each other and feel similarly on issues that truly matter. For example, we're both democrats...*LOL* Now inter-political marriages are another matter! j/k....but anyway, different thing matter to different people....and Communist Mississippi, quit breeding...you're dragging down the white gene pool! ;)

Oh I do so have to challenge you to provide some statistics on this one bubba!! The bolded one that is. I await your detailed response.....


Read "The Inequality of Human Races" by Arthur de Gobineau.


Pages 205-212.


Get cracking, we'll talk about it when you're finished reading.

Read "The Inequality of Human Races" by Arthur de Gobineau.


Pages 205-212.


Get cracking, we'll talk about it when you're finished reading.

oh yay, a racist book. Thats a real source. [/sarcasm]

Get something factual and non-biased, then we'll talk.

oh yay, a racist book. Thats a real source. [/sarcasm]

Get something factual and non-biased, then we'll talk.


It is factual, read it... Unless you don't like to keep an open-mind, anything that might shatter your belief in the liberal dogma you've been spoon-fed since birth via MTV and the public schooling system.

I bet the writer Arthur de Gobineau, who wrote that opus that JUST as smart as you are Redneck Mississippi! *look of admiration*

It is factual, read it... Unless you don't like to keep an open-mind, anything that might shatter your belief in the liberal dogma you've been spoon-fed since birth via MTV and the public schooling system.
I don't watch TV, and I've never been in attendance to a public school. You are a fine one to talk about dogma, junior. The title alone implies this is far less than factual.

I bet the writer Arthur de Gobineau, who wrote that opus that JUST as smart as you are Redneck Mississippi! *look of admiration*


He was a french nobleman, a count, an essayist, a diplomat, writer, ethnologist, and social thinker.

And I come at this from the Jewish race
Jew is not a race.
Read a book.
It is a religion.
Judaism=Jewish, by your logic I could "convert" to your race.
Are you Ethiopian Jew? German Jew? French Jew?
The very prolific Chinese Jew?
Or do you mean you are Hebrew.
Actually Semitic?
Idiot.

Hey I don't love the word race either, but if we are defining a group of people with similar physical characteristics, which frequently chooses to interbreed as a race, we have to include Jewish people.....unless of course, they convert in....I don't understand it, but more power to them. BTW, Jewish people are probably FAR more similar genetically than African Americans, especially since the holocaust wiped out more than half the gene pool...

Read "The Inequality of Human Races" by Arthur de Gobineau.


Pages 205-212.


Get cracking, we'll talk about it when you're finished reading.
i've read it (used to even have a copy), and was unimpressed. current data disproves much of the material, like de Gobineau's theory that Europeans are the purest and best race because they are least diluted by interbreeding; data from sources like Cavalli-Sforza shows that the European population is the most genetically mixed-up on Earth, something that de Gobineau would really squirm over. de Gobineau's division of all humans into three races (white, black, and yellow) is likewise disproven by modern genetics, and his phenotype assumptions are disproven by simple observation as well.

what about de Gobineau's work do you think is helpful or relavent here? i don't have the specific pages you mentioned at hand, so if you wouldn't mind refreshing my memory on the gist of them i would be more than willing to discuss further with you.

Hey I don't love the word race either, but if we are defining a group of people with similar physical characteristics, which frequently chooses to interbreed as a race, we have to include Jewish people.....unless of course, they convert in....I don't understand it, but more power to them. BTW, Jewish people are probably FAR more similar genetically than African Americans, especially since the holocaust wiped out more than half the gene pool...
JEW is not a people !!!
Oh my God you are no way Jewish!!!
Any Jew reguardless of his race knows that the Faith of Judaism(JEw) is not a race- it is a religion associated with the Hebrew people who are historically Semitic.
Stop calling it a race you idiot it is a religion!!
I know black Jews!!!
and Chinese Jews.
If your going to lie about your religion at least dont confuse it with a race.

Read "The Inequality of Human Races" by Arthur de Gobineau.


Pages 205-212.


Get cracking, we'll talk about it when you're finished reading.
Oh just great!!! I did a Google search for Joseph-Arthur de Gobineau and what did I find?:

Joseph-Arthur de Gobineau

(1816–82). If Adolf Hitler and other modern advocates of racism needed intellectual support for their ideas, they found it in the writings of Joseph-Arthur de Gobineau, a French writer and diplomat. He advanced the ideas that the fate of civilization was determined by race quality; the Aryan, or white, race was superior to all others; but if it were diluted by interbreeding it would…

Ummmm source for that quote: Encylopedia Britannica Online

Got any statistics that are real life?

Race is irrelevant and outdated.
The issue is moot for this reason.
There are no races, no variants - just different individuals within the human species.
Biologically, I'm not sure what any of you are on about.
What was the question again?

i've read it (used to even have a copy), and was unimpressed. current data disproves much of the material, like de Gobineau's theory that Europeans are the purest and best race because they are least diluted by interbreeding; data from sources like Cavalli-Sforza shows that the European population is the most genetically mixed-up on Earth, something that de Gobineau would really squirm over. de Gobineau's division of all humans into three races (white, black, and yellow) is likewise disproven by modern genetics, and his phenotype assumptions are disproven by simple observation as well.

what about de Gobineau's work do you think is helpful or relavent here? i don't have the specific pages you mentioned at hand, so if you wouldn't mind refreshing my memory on the gist of them i would be more than willing to discuss further with you.


"The negroid variety is the lowest, and stands at the foot of the ladder. The animal character, that appears in the shape of the pelvis, is stamped on the negro from birth, foreshadowing his destiny. His intellect will always move within a very narrow circle. He is not however a mere brute, for behind his low receding brow, in the middle of his skull, we can see signs of a powerful energy, however crude its objects. If his mental faculties are dull or even non-existent, he often has an intensity of desire, and so of will, which may be called terrible. Many of his senses, especially taste and smell, are developed to an extent unknown to the other two races.

The very strength of his sensations is the most striking proof of his inferiority. All food is good in his eyes, nothing disgusts or repels him. What he desires is to eat, to eat furiously, and to excess; no carrion is too revolting to be swallowed by him. It is the same with odours; his inordinate desires are satisfied with all, however coarse or even horrible. To these qualities may be added an instability and capriciousness of feelings, that cannot be tied down to any single object, and which, so far as he is concerned, do away with all distinctions of good and evil. We might even say that the violence with which he pursues the object that has aroused his senses and inflamed his desire is a guarantee of the desires being soon satisfied and the object forgotten. Finally, he is equally careless of his own life and the life of others; he kills willing, for the sake of killing; and this human machine, it whom it is so easy to arouse emotion, shows in the face of suffering, either a monstrous indifference or a cowardice that seeks a voluntary refuge in death."

Whatever mate. When you are quoting material over two centuries outdated by a racist philosopher who has long since been debunked to support your bigotted concepts, we have no reason to take you seriously.

Well hell, my family is all white Christian, and they're all married to white Christians, and hell we've never had any real problems in the family. Everything goes just fine. There isn't a single miscegenator in the entire family. Not a one!

Yes, but half the breeding couples in your lineage were probably brother and sister, so your example is hardly indicative! :) [j/k]

Bedou, you're picking an extremely stupid fight over semantics, and don't even THINK about telling me what I am. The word race is totally meaningless anyway...I was just trying to outreason a racist using his own terminology. Go find a real fight to pick and leave me alone. If that one line is the only thing of mine you read, you're as close-minded as anyone up here. You missed my point entirely in referencing race, which was primarily sarcasm.

Whatever mate. When you are quoting material over two centuries outdated by a racist philosopher who has long since been debunked to support your bigotted concepts, we have no reason to take you seriously.
I second that!!

*wonders if CM still believes in phrenology*

*wonders if CM still believes in phrenology*

Phrenology is real! Why can't you people see that!

Bedou, you're picking an extremely stupid fight over semantics, and don't even THINK about telling me what I am. The word race is totally meaningless anyway...I was just trying to outreason a racist using his own terminology. Go find a real fight to pick and leave me alone. If that one line is the only thing of mine you read, you're as close-minded as anyone up here. You missed my point entirely in referencing race, which was primarily sarcasm.
Your sarcasm is easily offensive and demeaning to anyone of either the Jewish faith or Semitic heritage.
I am not picking a fight over nothing.
You are the ignorant pig who serves to continue the stereotype of the mundane that JEW is an ethnicity diminishing the history of a 5000 year old religion and giving no reguard to the genuine Hebrews and Semitics who are lumped together in the Homogenized term "Jew".
You used the term "Jew" in its lowest possible way, you used it as a racial stereotype. Your sarcasm was not lost on me, neither was your insensitive ignorance, and the fact that you continue to attempt to justify such a belittling statement to both Jews and Semites only serves to prove my statement that there is no way you are Jewish or a Semite either would have more intelligence to prattle on as if you were even nearly correct.
You are merely a step beneath CM.

*shakes her head* So my opinion is different from yours in how I use my words? Be offended...I did not call you a name or refer to you as inferior until you started acting stupid and screaming insults at me. You clearly don't have a rational thought in your head, since you won't do anything to reason with me and are just yelling stupid offensive nonsense. Do I really believe in races??? NO...even if you WANTED to separte out a culture for breeding which I WOULDN'T all attempts would fail. I was trying to use common terminology.....if you don't like it, put me on ignore...I WELCOME IT SINCE I'M TIRED OF DEALING WITH YOUR IGNORANCE. If you want to have a real debate in English without tirades on any subject I'm in....I won't quote anyone and try to be supremecist at all.

And I'm as Jewish as you are...get over it

Phrenology is real! Why can't you people see that!
Maybe because it is not? Perhaps you have had one bump too many?

phre·nol·o·gy [ frə nólləjee ]

noun

study of the bumps on the skull: the study of the bumps on the outside of the skull, based on the now discredited theory that these bumps reflect somebody’s character

oh and I'm using the definition of my having a Jewish mom since you don't seem to have much grasp of reality

oh and I'm using the definition of my having a Jewish mom since you don't seem to have much grasp of reality
Ok, I called you an Idiot because you are acting like one.
Ethinicities are a scientific reality not an opinion.
Judaism is not an Ethinicity, no matter how much you want it to be.
You are not using words differently, you are wrong.
Jew is not a race it is not an ethinicity, it is not related what so ever to biology.
Examine any biological text on Humans and ethinic groups and you will not find the words Jew,Judaism,Jewish anywhere. They refer to a religion which any ethnicity can be a part of, what part of this are having trouble wrapping your simple mind around?
Your mother might be Jewish(I call bullshit on that because she might have mentioned her ethnicty and gave a little history of she was a genuine Semite)
However even if she is Jewish that is only a religion, not a Biological trait.
But please tell again how it is a bilogical, how your ethnicty is Jewish and by doing so earn your Idiot wings once more and soar with the eagles.

I just want to add, I apparently like asian women because of the jewish media.

I don't watch TV. At all. Well, ok, I watch Family Guy. I don't think that counts as "jewish media."



But my real question is...how does the "jewish media" make me like asian girls?



Oh, for the record, I used to live in a very asian neiboorhood before moving to a very white one. The asian one was a bajillion times better.

Ok, I called you an Idiot because you are acting like one.
Ethinicities are a scientific reality not an opinion.
Judaism is not an Ethinicity, no matter how much you want it to be.
You are not using words differently, you are wrong.
Jew is not a race it is not an ethinicity, it is not related what so ever to biology.
Examine any biological text on Humans and ethinic groups and you will not find the words Jew,Judaism,Jewish anywhere. They refer to a religion which any ethnicity can be a part of, what part of this are having trouble wrapping your simple mind around?
Your mother might be Jewish(I call bullshit on that because she might have mentioned her ethnicty and gave a little history of she was a genuine Semite)
However even if she is Jewish that is only a religion, not a Biological trait.
But please tell again how it is a bilogical, how your ethnicty is Jewish and by doing so earn your Idiot wings once more and soar with the eagles.



God dammit, it's BOTH, ok? It's a religion...AND an ethnicity.


I know. SHOCKING! But possible.

But my real question is...how does the "jewish media" make me like asian girls?

It doesn't. You just have good taste, as do I. ;)

God dammit, it's BOTH, ok? It's a religion...AND an ethnicity.


I know. SHOCKING! But possible.
Site a single Scientific text not associated with nutty White supremecist that considers Judaism to be an ethinicty.
It isnt, only because stupid people have used the word JEW to describe Semites has the definitions become entangled in popular culture.
Popular culture is not rational nor is it scientific.
It is what ever any particular group of idiots THINK is correct that particular day.
However like I said site a Scientific Text that names Judaic as an ethnicity and I will be happy to apologize admit I was mistake, proclaim myslef ugly and Loving Balace beautiful, so forth and so on.

Thank you for calming down. I would agree that it is both ethnicity and religion but primarily religion. I would just LOVE for this to be over. *holds out an olive branch* You don't need to accept this, but I am not going to fight anymore...it's fine to disagree, and I'm sorry you're so upset.

Loving Balance,
I approached this incorrectly,
This is taken from JewFaq.org http://www.jewfaq.org/judaism.htm
"Are Jews a Race?
In the 1980s, the United States Supreme Court ruled that Jews are a race, at least for purposes of certain anti-discrimination laws. Their reasoning: at the time these laws were passed, people routinely spoke of the "Jewish race" or the "Italian race" as well as the "Negro race," so that is what the legislators intended to protect.

But many Jews were deeply offended by that decision, offended by any hint that Jews could be considered a race. The idea of Jews as a race brings to mind nightmarish visions of Nazi Germany, where Jews were declared to be not just a race, but an inferior race that had to be rounded up into ghettos and exterminated like vermin.

But setting aside the emotional issues, Jews are clearly not a race.

Race is a genetic distinction, and refers to people with shared ancestry and shared genetic traits. You can't change your race; it's in your DNA. I could never become black or Asian no matter how much I might want to.

Common ancestry is not required to be a Jew. Many Jews worldwide share common ancestry, as shown by genetic research; however, you can be a Jew without sharing this common ancestry, for example, by converting. Thus, although I could never become black or Asian, blacks and Asians have become Jews (Sammy Davis Jr. and Connie Chung). "
This site is for Jews- not Semites.

My sincerist apologizes for being a prick.

I respect your opinion, and I'm sorry I backhandedly offended you. :)

Problem: the race of semites have long been called as "the Jews." Long, long, long been called.

I'm not saying that these people are right, I'm saying "this is what the mainstream says: how do you stop those bastards?" :p

tazers....lots of tazers.... ;)

Well mixed race people are in theory better suited to life. They ahve a larger gene pool to pick attributes from. The most beautiful girl I ever met was part latina, pacific islander, white.

"The negroid variety is the lowest, and stands at the foot of the ladder. The animal character, that appears in the shape of the pelvis, is stamped on the negro from birth, foreshadowing his destiny. His intellect will always move within a very narrow circle. He is not however a mere brute, for behind his low receding brow, in the middle of his skull, we can see signs of a powerful energy, however crude its objects. If his mental faculties are dull or even non-existent, he often has an intensity of desire, and so of will, which may be called terrible. Many of his senses, especially taste and smell, are developed to an extent unknown to the other two races.

The very strength of his sensations is the most striking proof of his inferiority. All food is good in his eyes, nothing disgusts or repels him. What he desires is to eat, to eat furiously, and to excess; no carrion is too revolting to be swallowed by him. It is the same with odours; his inordinate desires are satisfied with all, however coarse or even horrible. To these qualities may be added an instability and capriciousness of feelings, that cannot be tied down to any single object, and which, so far as he is concerned, do away with all distinctions of good and evil. We might even say that the violence with which he pursues the object that has aroused his senses and inflamed his desire is a guarantee of the desires being soon satisfied and the object forgotten. Finally, he is equally careless of his own life and the life of others; he kills willing, for the sake of killing; and this human machine, it whom it is so easy to arouse emotion, shows in the face of suffering, either a monstrous indifference or a cowardice that seeks a voluntary refuge in death."

okay...so? modern anthropology, genetics, and physiology have refuted this conclusively. what's your point in posting it?

Whites marrying Japanese is about the best there is. The rest of the time, the products are pretty ugly. Whites are better off marrying within the race. So are blacks actually. I saw some pictures on a website recently showing "chinniggers". These were the children of black women who married Chinese laborers who emigrated to the US to help build the railroads. Man, they were not the best looking children. They were alienated from their families on both sides.

But... that's an aside. STAY WITHIN THE RACE!!! That should be the motto for all races. Don't disgrace the race. 40,000 + years of evolution should not be spoiled by an instant of stupidity. Stay within the race.Look around you, we're everywhere and becoming more common every day. Stupidity is what you propose. I'm about as mutt as you can get, my ancestors include hispanics, pacific rim, native americans, anglos and even a little african. I'm everything you hate. And the fact that I'm intelligent, trim, athletic, artistic, successfull and good looking probably pisses you off something terrible. I'm living proof your dogma is crap. Humans are all one race, Your catagorizations are more close to what we refer to in domestic animals as 'breeds'. You can lower yourself to the level of a farm animal if you want and stay within your 'breed', but we'll continue to evolve without you.

I'm a coloured guy with a caucasion girlfriend. Are you saying we cannot love each other and be together because of a gene difference? I'm Catholic to, should we be saying that because the Catholic Church wouldn't accept her we shouldn't be allowed to have children. I pity people with such small minded veiws on a matter of the heart.

Evolution keeps cruising along folks, either you cruise with it, or you get ground to dust.

I'd marry a girl of any race, as long as I loved her, and she felt the same way.

Your own tastes are your own tastes, and I won't criticize you for that. I'm white, and have dated Hispanic, Asian, and Black. My personal belief is that somewhere along the line, most of us are mixed race anyway, to some degree.

To me the cultural differences can add flavor and spark to a relationship, and make things more interesting; but then I've always been attracted to all things different.

I won't call you a racist, because I know people who feel the way you do, and don't seem racist in any other way. I attribute it to a little bit of "fear of the unknown" maybe?

Looks like your opinion is definitely in the minority!

Evolution keeps cruising along folks, either you cruise with it, or you get ground to dust.

I'd marry a girl of any race, as long as I loved her, and she felt the same way.


Well said. The current races are a by-product of geographic isolation. Without that isolation the current races as they exist now are obsolete and are being reabsorbed. Maybe new races will emerge.

Like preehees and flatties. You know, people with prehensile toes(much more useful in zero-gravity environments) vs. people with flat non-prehensile feet(faster runners).

Nature is a lot like me: It likes to keep us guessing.

Well said. The current races are a by-product of geographic isolation. Without that isolation the current races as they exist now are obsolete and are being reabsorbed. Maybe new races will emerge.

Like preehees and flatties. You know, people with prehensile toes(much more useful in zero-gravity environments) vs. people with flat non-prehensile feet(faster runners).

Nature is a lot like me: It likes to keep us guessing.

I for one, would very much like a prehensile tail.

It would be great fun at parties.

What do you all think of inter-racial marriage. I think its terrible, I think people should stay in their own race.

(see my other post below before flameing me)

Get your nose out of others business. Mind your own life - no one wants you to mind theirs.

Mixed-race relationships for everyone! They are the best!

Genetically, we almost have a modern need to mix interracially. With the coming of modern medical technology, survival of the fittest no longer applies. Many people who would have never had offspring now have large families with genes that should have never been passed on (bad heart, genetic metal disabilities, etc). How many of us know people (including ourselves) that wouldn't be alive and be able to have children without modern medicine?
The only short term answer (the next 50 years and the last 50 years) seems to be to mix interracially for a better gene poll. Eventually we'll be able to correct genetic medical issues in the womb.
My answer is yes, I support interracial couples.

What do you all think of inter-racial marriage. I think its terrible, I think people should stay in their own race.

(see my other post below before flameing me)

Who anyone else wants to marry is none of my business!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well mixed race people are in theory better suited to life. They ahve a larger gene pool to pick attributes from. The most beautiful girl I ever met was part latina, pacific islander, white.
Good answer.
The most beautiful girl I know personally is half Greek half Chinese, I said DAMN!

I have to say that the original question is actually skewed by the assumption that there are other races. A different skin color doesn't actually make a different race. A different culture doesn't make a different race. A black man's heart is the same as a white woman's heart . . . and an asian's heart . . . and a palestinian's heart . . . and a canadians heart. All of our bodies work in the same way and manner: when you prick us, we bleed.

I have to say that the original question is actually skewed by the assumption that there are other races. A different skin color doesn't actually make a different race. A different culture doesn't make a different race. A black man's heart is the same as a white woman's heart . . . and an asian's heart . . . and a palestinian's heart . . . and a canadians heart. All of our bodies work in the same way and manner: when you prick us, we bleed.



If I prick a deer, it bleeds. If I prick a gorilla, it bleeds. Hell a chicken bleeds. You're going to have to do way better than, "We all bleed!"


I agree culture doesn't make race.

Race makes culture.


White Western Man made White Western Civilization, and the african is clearly incapable of maintaining it. Evidenced by the rapid and precipitous decline of Africa following the end of colonialism.

I agree culture doesn't make race.

Race makes culture.

Evidence for this, please?

White Western Man made White Western Civilization, and the african is clearly incapable of maintaining it. Evidenced by the rapid and precipitous decline of Africa following the end of colonialism.

Yes... you invade people, you brutalise them, you give them diseases, steal their natural resources and undermine their culture, and then, when you abandon them, they have a tendency towards social, political and economic chaos! Meanwhile, White Western Man has lived in a peaceful utopia. Apart from two World Wars, and nearly bringing the planet to the brink of destruction.

If "White Western Ciivilisation" is so great, why was Europe such a cultural and scientific backwater compared to the Middle East, India, China, and large chunks of Africa (the Empire of Ghana, the Empire of Kush, etc.) for over 1000 years?

If European culture is genetic, why did these genes take so long to actually have any effect? If they are a recent mutation, how were they selected for? What evolutionary pressure allowed people who were capable engineers and scientists to produce more children? And how did these hypothetical mutant genes manage to spread themselves throughout the entire European population in only a few hundred years?

Ironically, by arguing that white people have a genetic superiority which has produced our modern technical civilisation, all you are actually doing is demonstrating that you don't have a terribly good grasp of the basics of science. Maybe your genes aren't as good as you'd like to think.

Evidence for this, please?




Open your eyes, you don't see Western ideals and Western Civilization sprining up spontaneously in the Congo, or in Cambodia.

History shows it to be true, race makes culture, cultures can't make race. Because race is genetic, you cannot make genes, you can only accept them as they are given to you, and make the best of it. If your genes are superior and you prosper, your race gains wonderous advancements, if not, well then it stinks for you.

Open your eyes, you don't see Western ideals and Western Civilization sprining up spontaneously in the Congo, or in Cambodia.

History shows it to be true, race makes culture, cultures can't make race. Because race is genetic, you cannot make genes, you can only accept them as they are given to you, and make the best of it. If your genes are superior and you prosper, your race gains wonderous advancements, if not, well then it stinks for you.

I notice you didn't provide any evidence, or attempt to answer any of my questions. I wonder why?

Your grasp of history is as lousy as your grasp of science, I'm afraid. You don't see "Western ideals and Western Civilization springing up spontaneously" in the West, either. Cultures develop. Over long, long periods of time. They are influenced by geography, by circumstance, and in most cases (certainly in Europe's case) by other surrounding cultures.

Europe went from a muddy backwater ("good for furs, iron, slaves and little else" -- from a description of Europe by a North African trader c.800AD), to the dominant culture on the planet at the current time, thanks to a whole host of interior and exterior circumstances and influences.

If we were "genetically superior", we would have ALWAYS been superior, no? So why is European cultural and political dominance only a historically recent occurrence? Maybe our genetic superiority is a recent mutation... but how was it selected for, and how could one mutation have spread to cover an entire continent's population in such a short space of time?

If you can't provide rational answers to these questions, I'm afraid your "theory" is shot. The only intellectually honest thing to do in that circumstance would be to abandon it. Are you intellectually honest?

Since I have yet to see anyone even attempt to refute my assertion, I will repeat it in trhe clearest terms possible:
The only races of humans are Homo sapien sapien and Homo sapien neanderthal.

From the lack of any attempt to refute this, I am going to asume the racists are conceeding.

As a challenge to those claiming a biological basis for a division of race beyond Homo sapien sapien, I will accept as a refutation an alternate taxonomy from one of the following sources:

1) A link to a widely accepted biology or physical anthropology text, published in the last 10 years, using current data, giving an alternative taxonomy.
2) Links to two articles from either Scientific American, Nature, Jounal of Biology, Theoretical Anthropology, or an equivilant peer review science journal, published within the last 10 years.

Links to out of date or non-peer review sources are simply not acceptable. Period.

(Any attempts to refute this assertion with 19th century material will be laughed at. You wouldn't try and argue physics, medicine, chemistry, or other sciences from a 150 year old text, would you?)

*wonders if CM still believes in phrenology*Phrenology is real! Why can't you people see that!
Ahhh..LOL..now I know for sure that you are a troll - I must say sir, you do an excellent impersonation of an ignorant white supremacist. Good job! ;)

Since I have yet to see anyone even attempt to refute my assertion, I will repeat it in trhe clearest terms possible:
The only races of humans are Homo sapien sapien and Homo sapien neanderthal.

From the lack of any attempt to refute this, I am going to asume the racists are conceeding.

As a challenge to those claiming a biological basis for a division of race beyond Homo sapien sapien, I will accept as a refutation an alternate taxonomy from one of the following sources:

1) A link to a widely accepted biology or physical anthropology text, published in the last 10 years, using current data, giving an alternative taxonomy.
2) Links to two articles from either Scientific American, Nature, Jounal of Biology, Theoretical Anthropology, or an equivilant peer review science journal, published within the last 10 years.

Links to out of date or non-peer review sources are simply not acceptable. Period.

(Any attempts to refute this assertion with 19th century material will be laughed at. You wouldn't try and argue physics, medicine, chemistry, or other sciences from a 150 year old text, would you?)


Actually it's Homo Neaderthalis as opposed to Homo Sapiens Neaderthal. Both are related to some degree, but "Neaderthal man" is not a direct ancestory to H. Sapiens Sapiens, but rather an evolutionary offshoot or "sister species".

While we are on the subject, older data is not always wrong. Sir Richard Owen, the scientist and anatomist who coined the word "Dinosauria" got it right when he claimed that many dinosaurs had bird-like features and that birds were more closely related to dinosaurs than traditional reptiles - as many later scientists had wrongly thought.

Since I have yet to see anyone even attempt to refute my assertion, I will repeat it in trhe clearest terms possible:
The only races of humans are Homo sapien sapien and Homo sapien neanderthal.

From the lack of any attempt to refute this, I am going to asume the racists are conceeding.

As a challenge to those claiming a biological basis for a division of race beyond Homo sapien sapien, I will accept as a refutation an alternate taxonomy from one of the following sources:

1) A link to a widely accepted biology or physical anthropology text, published in the last 10 years, using current data, giving an alternative taxonomy.
2) Links to two articles from either Scientific American, Nature, Jounal of Biology, Theoretical Anthropology, or an equivilant peer review science journal, published within the last 10 years.

Links to out of date or non-peer review sources are simply not acceptable. Period.

(Any attempts to refute this assertion with 19th century material will be laughed at. You wouldn't try and argue physics, medicine, chemistry, or other sciences from a 150 year old text, would you?)


Race, Evolution, and Behavior (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0965683613/qid=1093054366/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-5390405-1127304?v=glance&s=books)

Buy and read.

Culture has nothing to do with your genetic background. Just because you believe it does, does not make it so. All it shows is that you have a painfully poor grasp of basic biology.

Your culture is something you pick up from the way you are raised, the life you lead, and the opinions and mores you form. All of this happens after birth.

How do you become a part of black culture? You are born black.

Culture is based on racial lines. If we mix, then both cultures will be handed down to the child. They will mix, the cultures will merge into one. End result: homogenization.

With increasing globalization, the only things keeping us apart are religion and race. Geographic factors are no longer factors.

Being Asian, I find it...a bit uncomfortable whenever anyone says they take a liking to Asian women. I don't have a problem with interracial marriage (and hey, genetic diversity! :)) but I get slightly disturbed when people like someone based on their race.

It's much better to hear someone say that he/she loves someone because of who they are rather than because they're French, or Japanese, or whatever.

I am interested in this book. Thanks for the referance.

How do you become a part of black culture? You are born black.

*cough*Eminem*cough*

;)

Actually it's Homo Neaderthalis as opposed to Homo Sapiens Neaderthal. Both are related to some degree, but "Neaderthal man" is not a direct ancestory to H. Sapiens Sapiens, but rather an evolutionary offshoot or "sister species".

While we are on the subject, older data is not always wrong. Sir Richard Owen, the scientist and anatomist who coined the word "Dinosauria" got it right when he claimed that many dinosaurs had bird-like features and that birds were more closely related to dinosaurs than traditional reptiles - as many later scientists had wrongly thought.


Yea! A voice of reason. :D
True, there has been some dispute as to the classification of neandethal man, but for purposes of this thread, I'm going with the subspecies classification. And note that no where have I claimed direct ancestory. ;)

And, while older data isn't always wrong, the purpose of putting a limit on the requests was to weed out all the bad 19th C. theroies and data that has been posted.

Being Asian, I find it...a bit uncomfortable whenever anyone says they take a liking to Asian women. I don't have a problem with interracial marriage (and hey, genetic diversity! :)) but I get slightly disturbed when people like someone based on their race.

It's much better to hear someone say that he/she loves someone because of who they are rather than because they're French, or Japanese, or whatever.

Oh no, it's not a matter of "I only love such and such"

I'm just more attracted to asian women on a general basis. Just like some guys dig girls with red hair.

Race, Evolution, and Behavior (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0965683613/qid=1093054366/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-5390405-1127304?v=glance&s=books)

Buy and read.

No alternate taxonomy give, not widely accepted.
Next.

I'm half puerto rican and half spaniard and I love an White American girl And I coudn't be happier. Although there's no cultural difference i just absorb the culture so there's no big cultural difference now/

Being Asian, I find it...a bit uncomfortable whenever anyone says they take a liking to Asian women. I don't have a problem with interracial marriage (and hey, genetic diversity! :)) but I get slightly disturbed when people like someone based on their race.

It's much better to hear someone say that he/she loves someone because of who they are rather than because they're French, or Japanese, or whatever.

A person's character should be the primary driver, I agree. But I also think you should marry someone you feel a physical attraction to, as well. Some people seem to be "wired" (for lack of better terms) to be attracted to certain physical traits (outward appearance only, because I definitely agree that what's INSIDE us is not a "race issue"), and in the case of some of those traits, one race may be more likely to have them than another. Certain other traits just don't do anything for a person (Example--no offense to any people with red hair, but that just doesn't do anything for me). I don't think you can really help what physical traits you're attracted to, honestly.

How do you become a part of black culture? You are born black.

Culture is based on racial lines. If we mix, then both cultures will be handed down to the child. They will mix, the cultures will merge into one. End result: homogenization.

With increasing globalization, the only things keeping us apart are religion and race. Geographic factors are no longer factors.


culture - The learned patterns of behavior and thought that help a group adapt to it's surroundings. (http://oregonstate.edu/dept/anthropology/glossary2.htm)

A more in depth definition (http://hokum.freehomepage.com/Content/Anthropology/Anthro_WhatCult1.html)
Cultural anthropology defines culture as the following:
A set of learned rules, standards, or manners shared within a human group that describes a range of behaviors and beliefs that are proper, acceptable, and valid. These rules serve to promote the survival of the group. These rules govern all aspects of behavior within the human group and in most instances provide for repercussions when the rules are violated. These rules also govern relationships to other human groups and the environment.

So if culture equals race, the race is a learned behavior and does not have biological basis. Please make up your mind because you cannot have it both ways.

The definition goes on (http://hokum.freehomepage.com/Content/Anthropology/Anthro_WhatCult3.html) to list adaptation, food, technology, language, community, enculturation, religion, legend, aesthetics, sex and marriage, family and kinship, wealth, and politics as the components of culture.

Have you ever eaten Mexican, Chinese, Japanese, or any other food outside your culture? If so, by your definition, you are no longer part of your race.

And geographic factors are given in the definition of the taxonomy of subspecies I gave above (pg 4, IIRC). If geographic factors no longer prevent interbreeding, then by definition, there no races.

How do you become a part of black culture? You are born black.

Culture is based on racial lines. If we mix, then both cultures will be handed down to the child. They will mix, the cultures will merge into one. End result: homogenization.

With increasing globalization, the only things keeping us apart are religion and race. Geographic factors are no longer factors.


No, the mixed child will be confused, and they will have no culture. God never made a race called "mixed", at least not that I recall.

What Communist Mississippi doesn't even address is that even IF culture WERE genetically determined (which BTW I don't believe at all) who says that European Western culture is any better than other cultures??? It's all a metter of opinion anyway. Your argument makes no sense. Not to mention the fact that people disagree as much on what makes someone beautiful as on what makes a culture beautiful so saying that interracial people are less attractive makes as much sense as saying one culture is better than another. Also, European culture in it's "superior wisdom" instituted the slavery, which lead to the whole interracial question so white supremecists have no one to blame but themselves.

Since I have yet to see anyone even attempt to refute my assertion, I will repeat it in trhe clearest terms possible:
The only races of humans are Homo sapien sapien and Homo sapien neanderthal.

From the lack of any attempt to refute this, I am going to asume the racists are conceeding.

As a challenge to those claiming a biological basis for a division of race beyond Homo sapien sapien, I will accept as a refutation an alternate taxonomy from one of the following sources:

1) A link to a widely accepted biology or physical anthropology text, published in the last 10 years, using current data, giving an alternative taxonomy.
2) Links to two articles from either Scientific American, Nature, Jounal of Biology, Theoretical Anthropology, or an equivilant peer review science journal, published within the last 10 years.

Links to out of date or non-peer review sources are simply not acceptable. Period.

(Any attempts to refute this assertion with 19th century material will be laughed at. You wouldn't try and argue physics, medicine, chemistry, or other sciences from a 150 year old text, would you?)

Race is Undefined Scientifically
Michagan State University.
http://www.msu.edu/user/sadoways/essay4b.html

Racial distinctions change over time.
http://www.ahcpr.gov/news/ulp/dispar/dispar1.htm

Race is an Artificial classification MSU
http://www.msu.edu/~marti395/researchpaper.htm

The Concept of Human Races: Uses and Problems
http://www.modernhumanorigins.com/anth372.html

Report 11 of the Council on Scientific Affairs (A-98)
Race and Ethnicity as Variables in Medical Research
the AMA recognizes "Race" see Recommendations "1a"
http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/article/2036-2391.html

I liked this one
http://emporium.turnpike.net/P/ProRev/ethnic.htm

"Does Race Exist?
If races are defined as genetically discrete groups, no. But researchers can use some genetic information to group individuals into clusters with medical relevance.
http://www.sciam.com/print_version.cfm?articleID=00055DC8-3BAA-1FA8-BBAA83414B7F0000

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=2766679/K=Scientific+definition+of+Race/v=2/SID=e/TID=E155_91/l=WS1/R=12/H=0/SHE=0/*-http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=1&articleID=00055DC8-3BAA-1FA8-BBAA83414B7F0000

Well searching all over I can say for certain that there is NOT a scientific agreement on "Race", unless you mean the common use of the word on the street in which case science seems united under the WRONG banner, it doesnt exist scientifically if one is using the popular meaning.
I set out to find something to prove Daistallia 2104 wrong, I did not.
While I did find things which supprt the concept of "Races" it does not support the archaic concept that Daistallia 2104 is attempting to refute(spell?)
anyway I just thought I would post links to some of the more interesting sites.

I'll just point out that some people disagree that there are only two species in the genus Homo; some scientists point out that chimpanzees (and bonobos) are much more closely related to us than they are to gorillas.

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993744

I'm all for interracial marriage, but I've got a question. How come you never see any white guys with black girls? I often see black guys with white girls- why not the other way around?
Of the different sexes of blacks, whites and asians, black women and asian men are the least likely two groups to marry outside their 'race'. Whites are the most likely to marry outside their race, with white men more likely to marry asian women, and white women more likely to marry black men. I read that this distribution was due to the relative femininity and masculinity of the 'races'.

I'll just point out that some people disagree that there are only two species in the genus Homo; some scientists point out that chimpanzees (and bonobos) are much more closely related to us than they are to gorillas.

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993744
Yes, I'm for us being classed in the genus 'Pan'. One author suggested Pan narrans ("the story telling chimp"), which I liked.

Edit: Oh, for all you people arguing that different 'races' shouldn't interbreed because it destroys genetic dversity, consider that there's more genetic diversity within the peoples indigenous to Africa (so I'm not counting Arabs in North Africa, or whites in Zimbabwe, for example) than between all the other people indigenous to the rest of the world. I doubt most of you are thinking about two black people interbreeding when you say two races oughtn't to interbreed, but I bet a lot of you feel that an Asian and a white shouldn't interbreed.

I'm just saying how I feel and was wondering about how other people feel on the issue. I mean I don't think its wrong as long as theres love but I just couldn't see my self with some other race not because I think I am better than them its just I don't see a marriage between me and a woman from another race working out.
:confused: you say that because you are too close-minded to even try to comprehend the concept of accepting someone else's culture? or that you might meet her family and make a complete ass of yourself? if your judgement is based on the fact that different cultures have different values...that's something as a couple you should've discussed well before getting married or seriously getting involved w/ each other in a long term relationship.......if you don't see eye to eye on money, children, and all the other important things before saying the big I Do's...you shouldn't have made the trip down the aisle...simple as that... but you shouldn't reject someone based on the color of their skin or the shape of their eyes or the color of their hair.......for all you know, they could've been adopted and raised by an American(Insert Country)Family,or families that move to another country and become citizens..ex-Chinese move to US and become US Citizens and live as Americans and become "Americanized".....shouldn't judge a book by it's cover.... ;)

And even if someone isn't "Americanized", if you don't get to know them, you won't find out what you may actually have in common (could be quite a lot more than what you would "expect").

What do you all think of inter-racial marriage. I think its terrible, I think people should stay in their own race.

(see my other post below before flameing me)


I should say so too. Anybody that ventures outside the human race is a pervert.

How do you become a part of black culture? You are born black.

Culture is based on racial lines. If we mix, then both cultures will be handed down to the child. They will mix, the cultures will merge into one. End result: homogenization.

With increasing globalization, the only things keeping us apart are religion and race. Geographic factors are no longer factors.


There is no such thing, if you are talking on a global basis, as black culture. Or white culture etc. If, however you are talking on a local basis, say South London or New York (which part), then you can start talking about something which the blacks in those areas have in common with each other. Same with the whites. This also applies to countries. It is very dangerous to generalize.

I should say so too. Anybody that ventures outside the human race is a pervert.

lol - that sprang to my mind when I first read it

I should say so too. Anybody that ventures outside the human race is a pervert.

:D :D :D (If you missed it, go back at look my first post on this subject....)

Well searching all over I can say for certain that there is NOT a scientific agreement on "Race", unless you mean the common use of the word on the street in which case science seems united under the WRONG banner, it doesnt exist scientifically if one is using the popular meaning.
I set out to find something to prove Daistallia 2104 wrong, I did not.
While I did find things which supprt the concept of "Races" it does not support the archaic concept that Daistallia 2104 is attempting to refute(spell?)
anyway I just thought I would post links to some of the more interesting sites.

Thank you! It is a rare debator here who will admit defeat.

I'll just point out that some people disagree that there are only two species in the genus Homo; some scientists point out that chimpanzees (and bonobos) are much more closely related to us than they are to gorillas.

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993744
Wicked! Bring on the real science! :D :D :D

No, the mixed child will be confused, and they will have no culture. God never made a race called "mixed", at least not that I recall.

It is almost impossible for any human to have no culture. To say such would be to say that it was possible for a human to exist without learning any behavior. That is nigh impossible except for some of the absolute worst possible cephalic malformnations (http://www.ninds.nih.gov/health_and_medical/pubs/cephalic_disorders.htm#lesscommon), such as acephaly. And surely you don't mean that any mixed phenoptype would suffer such malformations....

Being Asian, I find it...a bit uncomfortable whenever anyone says they take a liking to Asian women. I don't have a problem with interracial marriage (and hey, genetic diversity! :)) but I get slightly disturbed when people like someone based on their race.

It's much better to hear someone say that he/she loves someone because of who they are rather than because they're French, or Japanese, or whatever.

I've lived in Japan 13 years. It's rather enbtertaining to watch to the "all Japanese women are godesses" types crash, burn and go home.

Having been in numerous cross-cultural relationships, I can attest to the difficulty of said relationships, as well as the rewards. Read the 2nd quote in my sig file. The reverse is true:
"You're the only one that you are screwing,
When you bow down to what you don't understand."

(And I'd note that many of the racists here would do well to heed booth variations on that....)

"The negroid variety is the lowest, and stands at the foot of the ladder. The animal character, that appears in the shape of the pelvis, is stamped on the negro from birth, foreshadowing his destiny. His intellect will always move within a very narrow circle. He is not however a mere brute, for behind his low receding brow, in the middle of his skull, we can see signs of a powerful energy, however crude its objects. If his mental faculties are dull or even non-existent, he often has an intensity of desire, and so of will, which may be called terrible. Many of his senses, especially taste and smell, are developed to an extent unknown to the other two races.

The very strength of his sensations is the most striking proof of his inferiority. All food is good in his eyes, nothing disgusts or repels him. What he desires is to eat, to eat furiously, and to excess; no carrion is too revolting to be swallowed by him. It is the same with odours; his inordinate desires are satisfied with all, however coarse or even horrible. To these qualities may be added an instability and capriciousness of feelings, that cannot be tied down to any single object, and which, so far as he is concerned, do away with all distinctions of good and evil. We might even say that the violence with which he pursues the object that has aroused his senses and inflamed his desire is a guarantee of the desires being soon satisfied and the object forgotten. Finally, he is equally careless of his own life and the life of others; he kills willing, for the sake of killing; and this human machine, it whom it is so easy to arouse emotion, shows in the face of suffering, either a monstrous indifference or a cowardice that seeks a voluntary refuge in death."
(Sorry for long quote)

*Points.*
*Falls.*
*Rolls.*
*Laughs.*
*Dies.*

Before I begin, I am white through and through, no trace of anything aside from a few assorted European "subdivisions" if you will in my genetic makeup. (French, Swiss, Irish, Scottish, and British)

Those of African descent are better than us in every way. I'll throw out simple facts first, for our uneducated redneck friend. (I'm also from the South, much as I now hate to admit it)

They are more physically capable than we. They've proven time and again in various popular sports such as Basketball or (American) Football, as well as in the Olympics, that they are stronger, faster, and generally speaking, more atheletic. Their muscle and bone structures are slightly different, but the main difference is that they are more well developed.

Like music? How about Blues? You know who started the Blues, right? Some old black guy in the Delta region. What about Jazz? Yeah, a black guy did that too. Rock & Roll? Go on, take a guess. Correct! A black guy started it. (If someone questions this, I might get off my ass and look up names, too) Just about the only thing white people made up in the way of music is Folk. - This shows creativity, something I've noticed is lacking in a certain unnamed person's arguments.

Consequently, from my own personal experience, they have better voices on average. I don't have anything to back it up because it's perception and opinion, so don't bother.

Next we have intelligence. I don't have statistics for you, but then, neither did Communist Mississippi. I've met white people who can't spell their own damn name and white people who can calculate when Sol will extinguish in under 10 minutes. I've met black people who can't spell their own damn name and black people who can recreate the Windows operating system on their own.

I've also met white people who fit the above quoted stereotype. I shan't mention names.

In short, I challenge you to name one thing that white people do better than black people as a rule. No, 'being racist bigots' does not count.

No alternate taxonomy give, not widely accepted.
Next.

I'm sorry, but because YOU do not accept him does not mean Rushton is not a respected member of the scientific community. And it does give an alternate taxonomy, namely, Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Negroid.

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[url=http://hokum.freehomepage.com/Content/Anthropology/Anthro_WhatCult1.html]A more in depth definition (http://oregonstate.edu/dept/anthropology/glossary2.htm)


So if culture equals race, the race is a learned behavior and does not have biological basis. Please make up your mind because you cannot have it both ways.

The definition goes on (http://hokum.freehomepage.com/Content/Anthropology/Anthro_WhatCult3.html) to list adaptation, food, technology, language, community, enculturation, religion, legend, aesthetics, sex and marriage, family and kinship, wealth, and politics as the components of culture.

Have you ever eaten Mexican, Chinese, Japanese, or any other food outside your culture? If so, by your definition, you are no longer part of your race.

And geographic factors are given in the definition of the taxonomy of subspecies I gave above (pg 4, IIRC). If geographic factors no longer prevent interbreeding, then by definition, there no races.


Read more carefully. I never said culture equals race. Race determines which culture you belong to. If you sample other cultures or attempt to emulate their culture, you will never be truly part of their culture because you are not of their race.

Someone else mentioned Eminem. Most black people I've talked to do not accept Eminem as being part of the black culture and see him as a poser 'whigger'.

(Sorry for long quote)

*Points.*
*Falls.*
*Rolls.*
*Laughs.*
*Dies.*

Before I begin, I am white through and through, no trace of anything aside from a few assorted European "subdivisions" if you will in my genetic makeup. (French, Swiss, Irish, Scottish, and British)

Those of African descent are better than us in every way. I'll throw out simple facts first, for our uneducated redneck friend. (I'm also from the South, much as I now hate to admit it)

They are more physically capable than we. They've proven time and again in various popular sports such as Basketball or (American) Football, as well as in the Olympics, that they are stronger, faster, and generally speaking, more atheletic. Their muscle and bone structures are slightly different, but the main difference is that they are more well developed.

Like music? How about Blues? You know who started the Blues, right? Some old black guy in the Delta region. What about Jazz? Yeah, a black guy did that too. Rock & Roll? Go on, take a guess. Correct! A black guy started it. (If someone questions this, I might get off my ass and look up names, too) Just about the only thing white people made up in the way of music is Folk. - This shows creativity, something I've noticed is lacking in a certain unnamed person's arguments.

Consequently, from my own personal experience, they have better voices on average. I don't have anything to back it up because it's perception and opinion, so don't bother.

Next we have intelligence. I don't have statistics for you, but then, neither did Communist Mississippi. I've met white people who can't spell their own damn name and white people who can calculate when Sol will extinguish in under 10 minutes. I've met black people who can't spell their own damn name and black people who can recreate the Windows operating system on their own.

I've also met white people who fit the above quoted stereotype. I shan't mention names.

In short, I challenge you to name one thing that white people do better than black people as a rule. No, 'being racist bigots' does not count.

Creating civilizations. You must admit, we have proven remarkably adept at that.

And I do have statisics for you. Mongoloid average IQ=105 Caucasoid average IQ=100 Negroid average IQ=African-American:85 Pure African:70

African-americans are a full standard devation behind Caucasoids, and pure africans are 2 SD's behind.

Creating civilizations. You must admit, we have proven remarkably adept at that.
Where do you draw the line on what is a civilization and what is not? There are many definitions for the word, as well:

1.) An advanced state of intellectual, cultural, and material development in human society, marked by progress in the arts and sciences, the extensive use of record-keeping, including writing, and the appearance of complex political and social institutions.

2.) The type of culture and society developed by a particular nation or region or in a particular epoch: Mayan civilization; the civilization of ancient Rome.

3.) The act or process of civilizing or reaching a civilized state.

4.) Cultural or intellectual refinement; good taste.

5.) Modern society with its conveniences: returned to civilization after camping in the mountains.

Which do you mean?

Where do you draw the line on what is a civilization and what is not? There are many definitions for the word, as well:

1.) An advanced state of intellectual, cultural, and material development in human society, marked by progress in the arts and sciences, the extensive use of record-keeping, including writing, and the appearance of complex political and social institutions.

2.) The type of culture and society developed by a particular nation or region or in a particular epoch: Mayan civilization; the civilization of ancient Rome.

3.) The act or process of civilizing or reaching a civilized state.

4.) Cultural or intellectual refinement; good taste.

5.) Modern society with its conveniences: returned to civilization after camping in the mountains.

Which do you mean?

All of them apply. But especially 1.

Civilization is where a person's freedom is crushed and nature alienated by means of hierarchy and technology. Actually, I'm not sure if I entirely agree but I think this view has some merit.

Creating civilizations. You must admit, we have proven remarkably adept at that.

That's arguable at best. Seems like if anything, we excel in destroying civilizations. How can you know what would have happened if we had not intervened in the affairs of others? If we'd minded our own business, who knows what amazing and sophisticated things of the races you so enjoy stereotyping could have done? For all we know, they could have surpassed us in any number of fields. All it takes is the opportunity and the drive to do so. What we white people did was take away the opportunity and tried to instill in others--people innately just as good as us--that there was no reason to try. I guarantee you that you'd see a lot of the same socioeconomic problems among white people had it been us that had been enslaved and tortured for generation after generation. In other words, hat you're trying to do is interpret results from an "experiment" that has been severely tampered with.

And with what predominantly white countries have accomplished I don't believe we've been very responsible with it. What comes with great "civilizations"? Better means of inflicting destruction on others. So we can blow up the entire world many times over, and there could be a lunatic among us crazy enough to do it. What does that say about us? Now, I'm not for making one group bear guilt for everything, either. What I AM for is for people dealing with each other based on innate character, NOT race: you can't get any characteristics more UNRELATED than that.

Interracial relationships are disgusting and sick. Why should a White look outside the White race for a mate?
I wouldn't take this guy too seriously - he's started a few white supremacy arguments, and he's got some *cough* "interesting" *cough* views on religion, too.
I'm all for interracial marriage, but I've got a question. How come you never see any white guys with black girls? I often see black guys with white girls- why not the other way around?
Well, I can't really think of any real life examples (as I don't really pay attention to celebrity relationships or other believable examples) but the ONLY time there was a non-white on the sitcom Friends, it was a black woman dating two of the white male characters at different times (there was one of those almost-love triangles that could only happen on Friends.) (And forgive me for getting off-topic, but the white domination on Friends is a good example of the incredibly creepy views of the writers. (Ross freaks out about a male nanny, Monica is maligned for considering going to a sperm bank, etc.))

I'm sorry, but because YOU do not accept him does not mean Rushton is not a respected member of the scientific community. And it does give an alternate taxonomy, namely, Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Negroid.

To make it perfectly clear, your argument, as I understand it is thus:
Homo sapien is divided into the subspecies Homo sapien caucasoid, Homo sapien mongoloid, and Homo sapien negroid and that this division is commonly accepted among biologists.
Is this correct?

I'm all for interracial marriage, but I've got a question. How come you never see any white guys with black girls? I often see black guys with white girls- why not the other way around?Off the top of my head... two of Diana Ross' marriages were to white men and Nichelle Nichols reportedly had an affair with Gene Roddenberry, if you want a couple of celebrity examples.